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Dr Vernon Coleman: They want to kill 6 Bn of us, enslave us [Covid-19]

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  • #202
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,535 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Note the common theme in your posts. Go to any conspiracy theory site, interesting how that is also the common theme.

    It always comes back to fear. fear based on not knowing.


  • #203
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Quiner wrote: »
    I will.
    Great. I doubt this will happen as you've been very dishonest with your beliefs before and I suspect you will try shifting the goalposts as you have done before.
    Quiner wrote: »
    But will you acknowledge that you were wrong?
    But that's the thing, I don't know what will indicate I was wrong as you've been dishonestly avoiding outlining your conspiracy in full.
    Your conspiracy nonsense is so open and vague, anyone could say anything and you'd still claim it was proof of your conspiracy.

    So please detail exactly what you believe will happen in May.

    Or better yet, detail something you believe will happen in the next week.
    You're pretending to have some insight into this conspiracy, so why not demonstrate this in a more reasonable timescale?
    I suspect you will run away from this challenge as you ahve done with every point you can't address.
    Like my other question:
    Have you read the book yet?

    I think that the answer is no, and you have no intention of reading it.


  • #204
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,653 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Quiner wrote: »
    I will. But will you acknowledge that you were wrong? Not that it particularly matters. If what I fear comes to pass, and it already is with Health Passport Ireland and all the other health passports, the world will be a very scary place.


    Quiner wrote: »
    I don't know how it could be done, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be done. I don't believe it will happen. I fear it may happen.

    Jaysus I don't know how you manage to get outta bed in the mornings and face the big bad world:rolleyes:


  • #205
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Jaysus I don't know how you manage to get outta bed in the mornings and face the big bad world:rolleyes:

    Increasingly we're not allowed to go out and face the big bad world. The government is telling us where we can go, whom we can see, what we can wear, or, rather, what we have to wear, what time we can stay out until, and so on.


  • #206
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Quiner wrote: »
    Increasingly we're not allowed to go out and face the big bad world. The government is telling us where we can go, whom we can see, what we can wear, or, rather, what we have to wear, what time we can stay out until, and so on.
    So you disagree with the current Covid restrictions? Why?


  • #207
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Thargor wrote: »
    So you disagree with the current Covid restrictions? Why?

    I do. I think they're disproportionate. I also believe that there is more to this than just a virus.


  • #208
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    What evidence do you have that they're disproportionate seeing as the virus is still spreading? What approach would you have taken if you were in power?

    What does "more to this than just a virus" mean?


  • #209
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Quiner wrote: »
    I do. I think they're disproportionate. I also believe that there is more to this than just a virus.


    And anybody that cannot see that there is far more at play here than a virus,
    which has an incredibly low rate of mortality, probably 0.02 - 0.04 %, seriously need to wake up.
    Notice how more and more dissenting voices are being silenced.??
    Now where did we see this before....!!!


  • #210
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    washman3 wrote: »
    And anybody that cannot see that there is far more at play here than a virus,
    which has an incredibly low rate of mortality, probably 0.02 - 0.04 %, seriously need to wake up.
    Notice how more and more dissenting voices are being silenced.??
    Now where did we see this before....!!!

    Schwab lamented that the stock market was booming in January last year. Three months later it collapses. And the World Economic Forum somehow managed in June, in what must be record time, to come up with a comprehensive program for resetting the planet. Every single area and aspect of society is covered as part of the reset program and is available to read on the WEF website. And they all just happen to use the same slogans, i.e. 'new normal' and 'build back better'.


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  • #211
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Quiner wrote: »
    Schwab lamented that the stock market was booming in January last year. Three months later it collapses. And the World Economic Forum somehow managed in June, in what must be record time, to come up with a comprehensive program for resetting the planet. Every single area and aspect of society is covered as part of the reset program and is available to read on the WEF website. And they all just happen to use the same slogans, i.e. 'new normal' and 'build back better'.

    You do know the stock market is at record high levels right?


  • #212
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Thargor wrote: »
    What evidence do you have that they're disproportionate seeing as the virus is still spreading? What approach would you have taken if you were in power?

    What does "more to this than just a virus" mean?

    I'd do what the doctors and scientists behind the Great Barrington Declaration are pushing for, i.e. targeted protection. No masks, no lockdowns.


  • #213
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Quiner wrote: »
    I'd do what the doctors and scientists behind the Great Barrington Declaration are pushing for, i.e. targeted protection. No masks, no lockdowns.
    Never heard of it, but no surprise to see a quick Google reveal it was paid for by the Koch brothers, what a shock. Gullible people like you are to be pitied.


  • #214
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Quiner wrote: »
    Schwab lamented that the stock market was booming in January last year. Three months later it collapses. And the World Economic Forum somehow managed in June, in what must be record time, to come up with a comprehensive program for resetting the planet. Every single area and aspect of society is covered as part of the reset program and is available to read on the WEF website. And they all just happen to use the same slogans, i.e. 'new normal' and 'build back better'.
    And yet, you won't read the book...


  • #215
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Thargor wrote: »
    Never heard of it, but no surprise to see a quick Google reveal it was paid for by the Koch brothers, what a shock. Gullible people like you are to be pitied.

    I'm not surprised you've never heard of it. RTÉ must've "forgotten" to mention it.


  • #216
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Quiner wrote: »
    I'm not surprised you've never heard of it. RTÉ must've "forgotten" to mention it.
    Its generally a good thing that RTE isn't broadcasting right wing Koch brothers disinformation and propaganda, if they were there would be more damaged people likel you coming out with this sewage.


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  • #217
    Quiner
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Its generally a good thing that RTE isn't broadcasting right wing Koch brothers disinformation and propaganda, if they were there would be more of damaged people likely you coming out with this sewage.

    So a person who holds a different opinion to you is 'damaged'?

    The thousands of doctors and scientists who signed the Great Barrington Declaration are 'damaged'?

    Cue 'but loads of people with fake names signed it'.


  • #218
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Quiner wrote: »
    So a person who holds a different opinion to you is 'damaged'?

    The thousands of doctors and scientists who signed the Great Barrington Declaration are 'damaged'?

    Cue 'but loads of people with fake names signed it'.

    Again, you believe that all the other doctors, experts and organisations are part of the giant global conspiracy to turn people into cyborgs at the behest of one guy who's book you haven't read..


  • #219
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Quiner wrote: »
    So a person who holds a different opinion to you is 'damaged'?
    When the "opinion" is presented as an fact with zero evidence to support it then yes definitely, mass disinformation spread by social media is the mental health issue of our time, see your recent "I dont know how they'll do it I just believe it" statements in regard to seizng all private property/killing and enslaving 6 billion of us gibberish
    Quiner wrote: »
    Cue 'but loads of people with fake names signed it'.
    Oh I dont doubt that for a second, loads more wont be aware their names are on the list at all, thats standard procedure for Koch Brothers funded disinformation like your "Great Declaration". See all their climate change denial "studies" from all their other "think-tanks" like the American Institute for Economic Research that they used to release this one.


  • #220
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Thargor wrote: »
    When the "opinion" is presented as an fact with zero evidence to support it then yes definitely, mass disinformation spread by social media is the mental health issue of our time, see your recent "I dont know how they'll do it I just believe it" statements in regard to seizng all private property/killing and enslaving 6 billion of us gibberish
    Oh I dont doubt that for a second, loads more wont be aware their names are on the list at all, thats standard procedure for Koch Brothers funded disinformation like your "Great Declaration". See all their climate change denial "studies" from all their other "think-tanks like the American Institute for Economic Research that they used to release this one.

    I said that I don't believe it will happen, but I fear that it might happen. Schwab has promised huge changes.


  • #221
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,535 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Quiner wrote: »
    I said that I don't believe it will happen, but I fear that it might happen. Schwab has promised huge changes.

    why would you be afraid of something you dont think will happen?


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  • #222
    Quiner
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    why would you be afraid of something you dont think will happen?

    I fear they will find a way to do it. I don't know how it could be done, but some of the best minds in the world are on board with the Great Reset, so if anybody will be able to think of a way to do it then it's them.


  • #223
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Quiner wrote: »
    I said that I don't believe it will happen, but I fear that it might happen. Schwab has promised huge changes.

    Where? Where has he promised them? Who 8s he that he has the power to make these huge changes to the worlds population?


  • #224
    King Mob
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    Quiner wrote: »
    I said that I don't believe it will happen, but I fear that it might happen. Schwab has promised huge changes.
    Did he promise this in his book?

    Please quote the section in the book where you read this.


  • #225
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Where? Where has he promised them? Who 8s he that he has the power to make these huge changes to the worlds population?

    From his book 'The Great Reset':

    "Many of us are pondering when things will return to normal. The short response is: never.”

    “The world as we knew it in the early months of 2020 is no more, dissolved in the context of the pandemic. Radical changes of such consequence are coming that some pundits have referred to a “before coronavirus” (BC) and “after coronavirus” (AC) era.”

    What do the people who think we are talking nonsense think those "radical changes of such consequence" that are coming that we will talk of "a "before coronavirus" (BC) and "after coronavirus" (AC) era" will be? I have speculated as to what they might be. Schwab is saying they will be radical. What are they?

    He has no mandate for his Great Reset. But human beings, or "human capital", as he calls us, have no say.


  • #226
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,535 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Quiner wrote: »
    I fear they will find a way to do it. I don't know how it could be done, but some of the best minds in the world are on board with the Great Reset, so if anybody will be able to think of a way to do it then it's them.

    who are these "best minds in the world" that are on board with "the great reset"?


  • #227
    Quiner
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Did he promise this in his book?

    Please quote the section in the book where you read this.

    I just quoted it in my reply to another poster.


  • #228
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,535 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Quiner wrote: »
    From his book 'The Great Reset':

    "Many of us are pondering when things will return to normal. The short response is: never.”

    “The world as we knew it in the early months of 2020 is no more, dissolved in the context of the pandemic. Radical changes of such consequence are coming that some pundits have referred to a “before coronavirus” (BC) and “after coronavirus” (AC) era.”

    What do the people who think we are talking nonsense think those "radical changes of such consequence" that are coming that we will talk of "a "before coronavirus" (BC) and "after coronavirus" (AC) era" will be? I have speculated as to what they might be. Schwab is saying they will be radical. What are they?

    He has no mandate for his Great Reset. But human beings, or "human capital", as he calls us, have no say.

    what page of the books is that quote from?


  • #229
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,653 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Quiner wrote: »
    From his book 'The Great Reset':

    "Many of us are pondering when things will return to normal. The short response is: never.”

    “The world as we knew it in the early months of 2020 is no more, dissolved in the context of the pandemic. Radical changes of such consequence are coming that some pundits have referred to a “before coronavirus” (BC) and “after coronavirus” (AC) era.”

    What do the people who think we are talking nonsense think those "radical changes of such consequence" that are coming that we will talk of "a "before coronavirus" (BC) and "after coronavirus" (AC) era" will be? I have speculated as to what they might be. Schwab is saying they will be radical. What are they?

    He has no mandate for his Great Reset. But human beings, or "human capital", as he calls us, have no say.

    So to clarify

    Nowhere in his book (that you haven't read) does he "promise huge changes."


  • #230
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Lads, you should know at this stage that none of the conspiracy theorists have actually read the book themselves, they're just parroting what they see on conspiracy websites.


  • #231
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what page of the books is that quote from?

    Pages 11 and 12


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  • #232
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Lads, you should know at this stage that none of the conspiracy theorists have actually read the book themselves, they're just parroting what they see on conspiracy websites.

    I have the book here on the phone. I'm reading it at the moment.


  • #233
    ohnonotgmail
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    Quiner wrote: »
    Pages 11 and 12

    you haven't read the book so how do you know? sounds like a lie to me.


  • #234
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So to clarify

    Nowhere in his book (that you haven't read) does he "promise huge changes."

    I quoted from the book that he wrote about "radical changes" coming. It's on page 11 of the book. Did he mean something else by "radical changes"?


  • #235
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you haven't read the book so how do you know? sounds like a lie to me.

    You ask me for the page numbers, I give you the numbers, and you still say I'm lying. Can't win. I'm reading the book at the moment.

    I'm still waiting for an answer about the "radical changes" that are coming, according to Schwab. What do the people who call us conspiracy theorists think they will be?


  • #236
    King Mob
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    Quiner wrote: »
    I have the book here on the phone. I'm reading it at the moment.
    Hang on. Previously you said you had ordered it and the reason you hadn't yet read it was because you were waiting for it to arrive.

    Looks like that was a lie too.

    I think that's the 5th time you've changed your story on this now.


  • #237
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Quiner wrote: »
    You ask me for the page numbers, I give you the numbers, and you still say I'm lying. Can't win. I'm reading the book at the moment.

    I'm still waiting for an answer about the "radical changes" that are coming, according to Schwab. What do the people who call us conspiracy theorists think they will be?

    Radical changes in the real world: more working from home, less commuting, renewable energy etc
    Radical changes in the conspiracy world: abolition of private property, perpetual lockdowns, killing off elderly people etc.


  • #238
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Radical changes in the conspiracy world: abolition of private property, perpetual lockdowns etc.
    Being forcibly made into cyborgs...


  • #239
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    King Mob wrote: »
    Hang on. Previously you said you had ordered it and the reason you hadn't yet read it was because you were waiting for it to arrive.

    Looks like that was a lie too.

    I think that's the 5th time you've changed your story on this now.

    Waiting for it to arrive, but have since discovered a PDF copy of the book. It takes time for books to arrive. As soon as the book arrives I'll switch to reading the book. You're free to believe it's a lie, but I'm reading the book, so you can't go on about people not reading the book.

    But if you'd like to tell us 'conspiracy theorists' what you believe the "radical changes" will be then that'd be great.


  • #240
    Quiner
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Radical changes in the real world: more working from home, less commuting, renewable energy etc
    Radical changes in the conspiracy world: abolition of private property, perpetual lockdowns, killing off elderly people etc.

    Less commuting would cause people to talk of "bc" and "ac" and would be a radical change? He's saying they're going to be "radical".


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  • #241
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,653 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Quiner wrote: »
    I quoted from the book that he wrote about "radical changes" coming. It's on page 11 of the book. Did he mean something else by "radical changes"?

    Where does he use the word promise? Or are you paraphrasing his suggestions of what may/could happen to suit your narrative?


  • #242
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,535 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    it is easy to cherry pick quotes without context from a book
    However, broad and radical pronouncements (like “everything will change”) and an all-or-nothing,
    black-and-white analysis should be deployed with great care. Of course, reality will be much more
    nuanced. By itself, the pandemic may not completely transform the world, but it is likely to accelerate
    many of the changes that were already taking place before it erupted, which will in turn set in motion other
    changes


  • #243
    King Mob
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    Quiner wrote: »
    Waiting for it to arrive, but have since discovered a PDF copy of the book. It takes time for books to arrive. As soon as the book arrives I'll switch to reading the book. You're free to believe it's a lie, but I'm reading the book, so you can't go on about people not reading the book.

    But if you'd like to tell us 'conspiracy theorists' what you believe the "radical changes" will be then that'd be great.
    Again, previously you've said
    That you didn't need to read the book.
    That you weren't going to read the book because it was too scary.
    That you weren't going to read the book because you didn't want to give money to the WEF.
    Then you claimed that you ordered it (And have been waiting a long time for it.)
    And now you claim you just randomly, just the moment found a pdf for it.

    So yea, I think it's a lie that you're reading it.

    Also I like how in all of that you only just not thought to look for a pdf?
    I don't think that's true either.

    Also, could you quote where he says specifically that it's his plan to stop people from owning things. Thanks.


  • #244
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,535 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    King Mob wrote: »
    Again, previously you've said
    That you didn't need to read the book.
    That you weren't going to read the book because it was too scary.
    That you weren't going to read the book because you didn't want to give money to the WEF.
    Then you claimed that you ordered it (And have been waiting a long time for it.)
    And now you claim you just randomly, just the moment found a pdf for it.

    So yea, I think it's a lie that you're reading it.

    Also I like how in all of that you only just not thought to look for a pdf?
    I don't think that's true either.

    Also, could you quote where he says specifically that it's his plan to stop people from owning things. Thanks.

    to be fair I found a PDF in a minute. they haven't read past the intro though.


  • #245
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Quiner wrote: »
    Less commuting would cause people to talk of "bc" and "ac" and would be a radical change? He's saying they're going to be "radical".

    What do YOU think these changes are??


  • #246
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,535 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    some more quotes from the book. Nothing yet that sounds anything like the conspiracy.
    s. Also, authoritative measures to attempt to contain them have always been part of the
    policy arsenal. Thus, there is nothing new about the confinement and lockdowns imposed upon much of the
    world to manage COVID-19. They have been common practice for centuries
    The broader point is this: the possibilities for change and the resulting new order are now unlimited
    and only bound by our imagination, for better or for worse. Societies could be poised to become either
    more egalitarian or more authoritarian, or geared towards more solidarity or more individualism,
    favouring the interests of the few or the many; economies, when they recover, could take the path of more
    inclusivity and be more attuned to the needs of our global commons, or they could return to functioning as
    they did before. You get the point: we should take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity to
    reimagine our world, in a bid to make it a better and more resilient one as it emerges on the other side of
    this crisis.


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  • #247
    Quiner
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    What do YOU think these changes are??

    I speculated as to what they might be. The abolition of cash to make way for a new digital currency, the abolition of private property (based on their tweeting a link to the article about 'owning nothing' a few months before the Great Reset), restrictions on flying and traveling, health passports, a social credit style system to measure and control our carbon footprint, mass surveillance, freedom passes.

    Those would be truly radical changes. I can't see how less commuting would cause people to speak of 'BC' and 'AC'. WFH would be a big change, but not radical, in my opinion. People have long worked from home. It's just the number of people working from home that has changed.


  • #248
    Quiner
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Where does he use the word promise? Or are you paraphrasing his suggestions of what may/could happen to suit your narrative?

    He says they're coming. That's a promise in my book. He doesn't say they might come.


  • #249
    Quiner
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    some more quotes from the book. Nothing yet that sounds anything like the conspiracy.

    Nothing new about the lockdowns? When was the entire planet locked down before?


  • #250
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,653 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Quiner wrote: »
    He says they're coming. That's a promise in my book. He doesn't say they might come.

    I told my kid that santa was coming, it doesn't mean santa is real.


  • #251
    Quiner
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I told my kid that santa was coming, it doesn't mean santa is real.

    Okay, there are no radical changes coming. He was mistaken.


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