Madeleine McCann

SusieBlue · 04-06-2020 4:56pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The clocked up 11,000 kms in a rental car, driving deep into the portuguese countryside. The rental car became a focal point of the investigation after a specialist cadaver dog alerted in the vehicle that a body was present.
Seems weird to go '' sight seeing'' after your kid goes missing, so much of it at night too.

They rented that car 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared, they didn’t have it in their possession on the night she went missing.
Those dogs were proven several times over to be unreliable and I believe they were retired from service shortly after.
Also if you watch the video, their handler heavily encouraged them to give a reaction at the McCann vehicle. They didn’t independently give a reaction of their own accord.

How do you know they were gone sightseeing?
They were driving all over Portugal and the Spanish border raising awareness so 11,000km (if that’s true) over the course of a few months doesn’t sound suspicious or surprising to me.

The press were very invasive and disrespectful to them, the police were also keen to blame them for their child’s disappearance pretty early on in the investigation.
Between the two of them I’m sure if they had any evidence of wrong doing it would be been picked up on.
I find it very hard to believe the McCanns would have managed all that under the watchful eye of both the police and the press.

pauliebdub · 04-06-2020 5:08pm

I'm amazed that this very important lead that should have been identified at the time of her disappearance is only being picked up now. Can a child's DNA survive 13 years if they can do a forensic analysis of the car and van?

pauliebdub · 04-06-2020 5:12pm

Augeo wrote: »

Attractive? Very subjective ........... she's average at best, I dunno is he even that tbh.

There was always something not quite right about these two which has lead to a lot of the vile speculation about them. I don't think they had anything to do with her disappearance but it must be very difficult to live with the poor judgement of leaving the kids alone in that room while they went out eating.

LiquidZeb · 04-06-2020 5:15pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Whatever you do make sure you continue to ignore the person who actually stole the child and place the entire blame on her parents.
Else how will you and your friends continue to feel superior and smug about your perfect parenting skills?

I wonder would you be so protective of the McCann's if they were living on a council estate in Bradford and not 2 doctors? I doubt it. I suppose you feel compelled to rush to the defense of your betters for some reason.

expectationlost · 04-06-2020 5:15pm

dark crystal wrote: »

See, this is the kind of nastiness I'm talking about when discussing the parents of this missing child. Implying they mingled with known paedophiles and what not.

Just to knock this little nasty nugget on the head, Freud sent the McCanns a letter inviting them for lunch at his villa in Praia de Luz in 2007, 2 months after Madeline went missing. They did not know him beforehand and visited his villa twice in the space of two months at his invitation.

He died in 2009, wherein his past transgressions against minors were revealed to the world. The McCanns found out when the rest of the world did and were as disgusted as everyone else.

I'm sure you have your reasons for mentioning Freud and the McCanns in a discussion regarding a new suspect in her disappearance and they are not only tasteless, but done entirely to discredit them further.

Shameful.

was Freud still involved in a paedophile ring at the time, was he trying to find out what the McCanns knew?

sxt · 04-06-2020 5:23pm

pauliebdub wrote: »

I'm amazed that this very important lead that should have been identified at the time of her disappearance is only being picked up now. Can a child's DNA survive 13 years if they can do a forensic analysis of the car and van?

He was identified, questioned, and his camper van was forensically examined 13 years ago

Truthvader · 04-06-2020 5:33pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

They rented that car 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared, they didn’t have it in their possession on the night she went missing.
Those dogs were proven several times over to be unreliable and I believe they were retired from service shortly after.
Also if you watch the video, their handler heavily encouraged them to give a reaction at the McCann vehicle. They didn’t independently give a reaction of their own accord.

How do you know they were gone sightseeing?
They were driving all over Portugal and the Spanish border raising awareness so 11,000km (if that’s true) over the course of a few months doesn’t sound suspicious or surprising to me.

The press were very invasive and disrespectful to them, the police were also keen to blame them for their child’s disappearance pretty early on in the investigation.
Between the two of them I’m sure if they had any evidence of wrong doing it would be been picked up on.
I find it very hard to believe the McCanns would have managed all that under the watchful eye of both the police and the press.

Why bother responding or engaging with these people? They are either bored teenagers who can't really tell the difference between the murder of child and "Fortnite" or disturbed incomplete people emboldened to indulge their lowest impulses by the anonymity offered here

Spanish Eyes · 04-06-2020 5:35pm

sxt wrote: »

He was identified, questioned, and his camper van was forensically examined 13 years ago

Have you any link for that, thanks. It's something I thought about (checking for perverts in the area at the time etc.).

_Brian · 04-06-2020 5:35pm

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I wonder would you be so protective of the McCann's if they were living on a council estate in Bradford and not 2 doctors? I doubt it. I suppose you feel compelled to rush to the defense of your betters for some reason.

This.
The McCans behaved terribly, possibly illegally abandoning their kids in an unsecure apartment in a strange country to go drinking with their mates.

The fact that they are Doctors got them a free pass on proper scrutiny over this and lots of people threw them easy money afterwards because surely these decent people could do no wrong.

Anyone else and the rest of the kids would be taken into care.

Responsibility for this girls disappearance is 100% with the Parents yet they are given victim status rather than held accountable.

04-06-2020 5:35pm

dark crystal wrote: »

Nice one, throw up a picture of a mother crying having had her child snatched and rag on them for their looks.

Jesus Christ...

I was replying to a claim they are attractive...... I said she's average...... No ragging Fred.

sxt · 04-06-2020 5:43pm

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

So they really have anything new?

Zero hard evidence, just circumstantial evidence that they have been building on him

He alleged said to someone on madeleines 10th anniversary that he knew what happened to her

SusieBlue · 04-06-2020 5:44pm

_Brian wrote: »

This.
The McCans behaved terribly, possibly illegally abandoning their kids in an unsecure apartment in a strange country to go drinking with their mates.

The fact that they are Doctors got them a free pass on proper scrutiny over this and lots of people threw them easy money afterwards because surely these decent people could do no wrong.

Anyone else and the rest of the kids would be taken into care.

Responsibility for this girls disappearance is 100% with the Parents yet they are given victim status rather than held accountable.

Sorry but the bolded is completely fake news, they have been absolutely annihilated and judged by the press, on social media and in forums since day dot.
They have received severe criticism, there was no free pass for them. In fact I think someone people were even nastier purely because they’re doctors.
They were never treated as victims, they have gotten endless abuse directed at them over the last 13 years.
As if losing their child in those circumstances wasn’t punishment enough.
Look at the comments under any article about Madeleine and you will find some seriously nasty, f*cked up comments about her parents.

The responsibility is 100% on whoever is responsible for her disappearance, and it doesn’t make her parents automatically guilty.

Beechwoodspark · 04-06-2020 5:45pm

The Germans seem to be pretty sure they have solved this.

As Reagan used to say - trust but verify

Silentcorner · 04-06-2020 5:51pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Sorry but the bolded is completely fake news, they have been absolutely annihilated and judged by the press, on social media and in forums since day dot.
They have received severe criticism, there was no free pass for them. In fact I think someone people were even nastier purely because they’re doctors.
They were never treated as victims, they have gotten endless abuse directed at them over the last 13 years.
As if losing their child in those circumstances wasn’t punishment enough.
Look at the comments under any article about Madeleine and you will find some seriously nasty, f*cked up comments about her parents.

The responsibility is 100% on whoever is responsible for her disappearance, and it doesn’t make her parents automatically guilty.

Spot on....the media behaved like depraved gossips like they always do.

Two parents who had their child taken from them had to put up with incompetent investigators, rotten journalistic standards and a baying mob....it was all very distasteful.

dark crystal · 04-06-2020 5:53pm

_Brian wrote: »

Responsibility for this girls disappearance is 100% with the Parents

This is simply not true. The responsibility is on whoever decided they had the right to kidnap someone else's child.

JP Liz V1 · 04-06-2020 5:53pm

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Bit of a fcuked up coincidence that they stayed with the paedophile Clement Freud immediately after Madeline was abducted. Lots of bizzare things about this case.

What?

sxt · 04-06-2020 6:00pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Have you any link for that, thanks. It's something I thought about (checking for perverts in the area at the time etc.).

It's a quote from a 2019 interview with the Head Portuguese Investigator. The full interview is linked on the first page

Here is what he said about this new suspect in that interview
[Url] https://amp.9news.com.au/article/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357[/url]

Spanish Eyes · 04-06-2020 6:03pm

sxt wrote: »

It's a quote from a 2019 interview with the Head Portuguese Investigator. The full interview is linked on the first page

Here is what he said about this new suspect in that interview
[Url] https://amp.9news.com.au/article/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357[/url]

Thanks for that.

Intriguing how the case still attracts so much attention, but I suppose hope springs eternal.

04-06-2020 6:06pm

sxt wrote: »

It's a quote from a 2019 interview with the Head Portuguese Investigator. The full interview is linked on the first page

Here is what he said about this new suspect in that interview
[Url] https://amp.9news.com.au/article/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357[/url]

'"The trailer that he lived in was taken to Germany for testing but nothing was found there."

What about the jag?

maebee · 04-06-2020 6:06pm

dark crystal wrote: »

This is simply not true. The responsibility is on whoever decided they had the right to kidnap someone else's child.

Sorry but there's no proof of kidnapping or abduction. The only fact is that she disappeared.

Spanish Eyes · 04-06-2020 6:07pm

dark crystal wrote: »

This is simply not true. The responsibility is on whoever decided they had the right to kidnap someone else's child.

Look, I have no problem with criticising the parents for leaving three under THREE y.o. kids alone in a ground floor UNLOCKED apartment. I mean who could not?

Apart from the kidnap issue, any of those three little mites could have woken and wandered, drank the bleach under the kitchen sink, fallen down the steps, anything.

The kids were all under THREE years old. Babies.

Sorry, but if they had brought the kids to the restaurant in their buggies as happens all the time in Spain and Portugal there would have been no issue.

Can you see where I am coming from at all?

Banana Republic. · 04-06-2020 6:11pm

sxt wrote: »

It's a quote from a 2019 interview with the Head Portuguese Investigator. The full interview is linked on the first page

Here is what he said about this new suspect in that interview
[Url] https://amp.9news.com.au/article/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357[/url]

Just like Robert Murat, they pulled his name from nowhere cause he was close and trying to help. You can’t help but not trust any new info. This would be the craziest year ever if Madeline is found and a suspect is convicted. Mind blowing stuff, hopefully it’s solved the poor little girl.

SusieBlue · 04-06-2020 6:15pm

maebee wrote: »

Sorry but there's no proof of kidnapping or abduction. The only fact is that she disappeared.

And yet this lack of proof either way still doesn’t stop some people speculating all sorts of nasty things about her parents. I don’t see you questioning any of those posts though.

Steve F · 04-06-2020 6:24pm

pwurple wrote: »

I keep seeing this... have you seen the apartment and the place they were eating? They had a groundfloor apt. They were about 30m away, outside, within eyeline. Basically, across a garden / pool.

My house is down the end of a gravel laneway. When I put my bins out after my children are in bed, it's about 3 times the distance the parents were. Or if I check the post, before they wake up, it's that distance.

I don't kneel at the edge of their beds all night praying wakefully over them, I go to my own bedroom and sleep. Or I put them to bed and I go downstairs and do some other stuff. No parent keeps 24x7 surveillance on their children, it is simply unreasonable.

A pedophile breaking into your apartment and stealing your children is so unbelievably unlikely. That's why it's on the news. And it's also possible that this may STILL have happened even if they were there. In through a child's window when you are in another room watching TV, or in your own bedroom and out they go again. Or another child taken instead.

This suspect was apparently a burglar and sex offender. If that's the case, it fits exactly their story of what happened. Let's see.

Sorry to be pedantic but 30m is no where near accurate

gerbilgranny · 04-06-2020 6:26pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Because they left their children alone in an apartment while they were having drinks...the were how old at the time

I never left my two children with any babysitter, apart from 5 or less occasions when I left them in the care of an aunt or a grandparent.

So you could say I was the most protective/cautious of parents.

But I remember it was commonplace for holiday companies/camping villages/hotels to offer 'babysitting services' - this was not someone sitting with the children, but checking them at regular intervals. Having watched a documentary about what happened in Madeleine's case, it was clear to me that the parents were actually not that far away from the place where the children were. It doesn't make it right, in my opinion, but what they did was not that uncommon. Indeed, my own daughter, now around 30, said that when she and her sister were young children, and they were 'allowed' to go out and play in our estate, they would have been further away from their parents than the McCann children were.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 6:27pm

Augeo wrote: »

Attractive? Very subjective ........... she's average at best, I dunno is he even that tbh.

You’ve just illustrated my point beautifully , thanks. There must be 100s of pics of kate McCann but you went out of your way to find this one. Just such a nasty bitter approach.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 6:29pm

maebee wrote: »

Sorry but there's no proof of kidnapping or abduction. The only fact is that she disappeared.

What are you going to do maebee if this guy gets charged?

2u2me · 04-06-2020 6:33pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

And yet this lack of proof either way still doesn’t stop some people speculating all sorts of nasty things about her parents. I don’t see you questioning any of those posts though.

Isn't speculating about the german guy just as nasty until it's proved?

What if he's innocent and receives lots of hate etc.. Sure he's just a paedophile already throw the book at him?

I think the truth matters more than anything.

Anything said here in this thread had been said thousands of times on the internet already, probably, and orders of magnitude worse.
I don't see any utility in constantly defending the honour of the parents, even if they are most likely innocent.

Babooshka · 04-06-2020 6:43pm

2u2me wrote: »

Isn't speculating about the german guy just as nasty until it's proved?

What if he's innocent and receives lots of hate etc.. Sure he's just a paedophile already throw the book at him?

I think the truth matters more than anything.

Anything said here in this thread had been said thousands of times on the internet already, probably, and orders of magnitude worse.
I don't see any utility in constantly defending the honour of the parents, even if they are most likely innocent.

He's not an innocent he's a rapist and a paedophile and he's done it before so that kind of knocks that one out of the water.

yerwanthere123 · 04-06-2020 6:55pm

Augeo wrote: »

Attractive? Very subjective ........... she's average at best, I dunno is he even that tbh.

Some grim people on this forum. Fucking hell.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 6:58pm

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Some grim people on this forum. Fucking hell.

There’s been nothing on the Internet that has exposed peoples true character like the disappearance of little Madeleine McCann. I could tell you things that would make your hair curl.

ShineOn7 · 04-06-2020 7:05pm

pwurple wrote: »

I keep seeing this... have you seen the apartment and the place they were eating? They had a groundfloor apt. They were about 30m away, outside, within eyeline. Basically, across a garden / pool.

Absolute nonsense

Do your homework and get back to us

FVP3 · 04-06-2020 7:08pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

And yet this lack of proof either way still doesn’t stop some people speculating all sorts of nasty things about her parents. I don’t see you questioning any of those posts though.

Very few posts explicitly accusing them of murder, plenty of posts accusing them ( wrongly in my view) of negligence. Some stupid posts about appearance alright.

2u2me · 04-06-2020 7:19pm

Babooshka wrote: »

He's not an innocent he's a rapist and a paedophile and he's done it before so that kind of knocks that one out of the water.

I agree with you, but it doesn't sit easy with me if we just pin every crime on the scumbag.

I'd love to see what evidence they have. The big thing seems to be that he shared information with another cellmate that only 'the abductor' would have known. I wonder what piece of information this is exactly?
To me it seems weird that there is something only one person would know, given the exposure in this case.

callmehal · 04-06-2020 7:20pm

I'd say the McCann's must feel really guilty and ashamed. They left their kids alone while they went out drinking. If this latest link turns out to be true, how can they live with themselves? The peado should be executed if he's found guilty. Sick, twisted, scumbag. He was given a free opportunity though, the McCann's abandoned their kids for the night and probably previous nights. A horrendous affair all around, poor girl.

jimmycrackcorm · 04-06-2020 7:23pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Sorry but the bolded is completely fake news, they have been absolutely annihilated and judged by the press, on social media and in forums since day dot.
They have received severe criticism, there was no free pass for them. In fact I think someone people were even nastier purely because they’re doctors.
They were never treated as victims, they have gotten endless abuse directed at them over the last 13 years.
As if losing their child in those circumstances wasn’t punishment enough.
Look at the comments under any article about Madeleine and you will find some seriously nasty, f*cked up comments about her parents.

The responsibility is 100% on whoever is responsible for her disappearance, and it doesn’t make her parents automatically guilty.

Worse still for them that had they actually been guilty like people suggested, that they could have just not put such an effort over the years looking for her.

Babooshka · 04-06-2020 7:31pm

2u2me wrote: »

I agree with you, but it doesn't sit easy with me if we just pin every crime on the scumbag.

I'd love to see what evidence they have. The big thing seems to be that he shared information with another cellmate that only 'the abductor' would have known. I wonder what piece of information this is exactly?
To me it seems weird that there is something only one person would know, given the exposure in this case.

It sounds like he shot his mouth off around 2017 and they've been looking into it since. He raped a pensioner in the same complex about 15 months before Madeleine disappeared.

dark crystal · 04-06-2020 7:42pm

maebee wrote: »

Sorry but there's no proof of kidnapping or abduction. The only fact is that she disappeared.

But if there was no abduction or kidnapping, what other option is there?

Be honest, it's just another way of implicating the parents isn't it? A child doesn't just disappear into thin air.

Strumms · 04-06-2020 7:48pm

_Brian wrote: »

Responsibility for this girls disappearance is 100% with the Parents yet they are given victim status rather than held accountable.

They are guilty of a catastrophic error of judgement, as a result they’ve suffered an unimaginable and catastrophic loss...

The responsibility for her being abducted lies with whoever planned and carried out the abduction though.. not with the McCann’s.. beat up the McCann’s, that’s been done, I’m sure they are still doing it to themselves... but there is some evil prick somewhere and quite probably some people who not only carried out the abduction but facilitated it happening and the culprit(s) getting away with it so far.

The McCann’s are victims, did they make a choice that contributed to the abduction but it was not by design, it was carelessness, that shouldn’t be punishable by their kid being abducted and or murdered. Holding them to account however that’s achieved won’t find Madeleine.

expectationlost · 04-06-2020 8:03pm

sxt wrote: »

It's a quote from a 2019 interview with the Head Portuguese Investigator. The full interview is linked on the first page

Here is what he said about this new suspect in that interview
https://amp.9news.com.au/article/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357

sure they are taking about the same guy seems to be confusion over 2 different german paedophiles

04-06-2020 8:04pm

2u2me wrote: »

I agree with you, but it doesn't sit easy with me if we just pin every crime on the scumbag.

I'd love to see what evidence they have. The big thing seems to be that he shared information with another cellmate that only 'the abductor' would have known. I wonder what piece of information this is exactly?
To me it seems weird that there is something only one person would know, given the exposure in this case.

It would likely be something like a distinctive birthmark which would not be ordinarily visible in any photos of her, maybe a habitual mannerism, formula of words she used, or behaviour in circumstances of being near somebody she wasn’t used to. Or combination of these things that together pointed to the veracity if what the suspect said. I’ll give you an example, as a kid I was known to ask strangers the most embarrassing & absurd questions, at Madeleine’s age I asked everybody new that I met what colour their toilet was! Now not too many children would ask that, but I had developed a fascination for the colour pink, and that had become popular in the 60s for shop & hotel toilets. I wanted to know how many people in the world had one that colour, and maybe we could get one in our house.

Had I been abducted my parents would have told police I was likely to ask this, as an aid to their detective work, but they wouldn’t have spelled that out to any media that might have been taking notes.

04-06-2020 8:09pm

One of the red tops has named what they believe is the suspect:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-german-paedophile-suspected-abducting-22136625

mgbgt1978 · 04-06-2020 8:14pm

sxt wrote: »

He was identified, questioned, and his camper van was forensically examined 13 years ago

I think you're a bit confused there

.
His Camper Van (which has possibly had a few Owners since 2007) was taken by the German police just over a year ago. It was never examined by the Portuguese Police.

What Amaral said last year was;
"The trailer that he lived in was taken to Germany for testing but nothing was found there."
He never said anything about his own Force examining the Camper Van.
You are either trying to manipulate the Facts....or you are completely misunderstanding the Facts.

Either way, it's BS to claim that this Camper Van was examined 13 years ago.

GreeBo · 04-06-2020 8:29pm

Strumms wrote: »

They are guilty of a catastrophic error of judgement, as a result they’ve suffered an unimaginable and catastrophic loss...

The responsibility for her being abducted lies with whoever planned and carried out the abduction though.. not with the McCann’s.. beat up the McCann’s, that’s been done, I’m sure they are still doing it to themselves... but there is some evil prick somewhere and quite probably some people who not only carried out the abduction but facilitated it happening and the culprit(s) getting away with it so far.

The McCann’s are victims, did they make a choice that contributed to the abduction but it was not by design, it was carelessness, that shouldn’t be punishable by their kid being abducted and or murdered. Holding them to account however that’s achieved won’t find Madeleine.

In retrospect... Very harsh to judge people as Captain Hindsight.
If she had disappeared in the middle of the night with her parents in their own beds some would still somehow blame them.

Spanish Eyes · 04-06-2020 8:33pm

I hope this revelation results in something significant, painful and all as it may turn out.

But I am not that hopeful really. However the fact is that the GERMAN police instigated this, and to be fair, I wouldn't be messing with them.

04-06-2020 8:47pm

The local Portuguese police seem to have made rather a clusterfock if it, and so far it would appear this individual was not very strongly on their radar, for whatever reason.

maebee · 04-06-2020 8:48pm

dark crystal wrote: »

But if there was no abduction or kidnapping, what other option is there?

Be honest, it's just another way of implicating the parents isn't it? A child doesn't just disappear into thin air.

There is the option that she was groggy from calpol, had an accident and died and that her death was covered up to excuse the parents' negligence. I don't know if that happened and neither does anyone here.

As you know, I am among many who never believed the parents' version of events. Maybe if Kate McCann had answered the police questions I would have some faith in them.

Yes, this child did disappear.

Babooshka · 04-06-2020 8:51pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The local Portuguese police seem to have made rather a clusterfock if it, and so far it would appear this individual was not very strongly on their radar, for whatever reason.

They didn't pursue too many lines of investigation as the chief detective was adamant the parents did something. They wasted the precious hours immediately after a kidnapping or abduction or murder by pursuing the McCanns. Roads weren't closed nearby in and out of the resort. They wanted it to be the parents.

Babooshka · 04-06-2020 8:56pm

maebee wrote: »

There is the option that she was groggy from calpol, had an accident and died and that her death was covered up to excuse the parents' negligence. I don't know if that happened and neither does anyone here.

As you know, I am among many who never believed the parents' version of events. Maybe if Kate McCann had answered the police questions I would have some faith in them.

Yes, this child did disappear.

Maybe if your child disappeared and the police did nothing to find anyone and doggedly insisted on questioning you, and you knew that somewhere out there your child was possibly suffering at the hands of some maniac and they weren't bothering their balls to listen to you...maybe you would become hostile too. Just maybe. Maybe they weren't hiding anything. Maybe they couldn't believe the arrogance and complete lack of help the Portuguese police were offering. Just giving you the other side of the pendulum of opinion. I know if my child was abducted and they were questioning me over and over in a manner alluding to me being responsible and that they weren't pursuing the real criminal, after I'd told them what happened, I would stop cooperating and start looking for help elsewhere that's for sure. Time is precious when your close to infant child is gone.

sxt · 04-06-2020 9:06pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The local Portuguese police seem to have made rather a clusterfock if it, and so far it would appear this individual was not very strongly on their radar, for whatever reason.

He was investigated, his trailer was even transported to Germany to be forensically tested

Madeleine McCann

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