Should we protest against the pope's visit?

Glass fused light wrote: »

But ..........millions ...?

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/



http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8rnraa/

for those who didnt learn how to click links,
Catholics = 3.7million
No Religion = 0.46 million
COI/ Muslim/ Orthodox = 0.24 million

Aegir wrote: »

I’m sure they will when they’ve finished selling off all their schools playing fields.

Gotta do something to make a few shekels now they can’t sell babies to rich yanks anymore.

work wrote: »

Tolerant of what exactly.....I never said anyone shouldn't be allowed support whatever made up group they like but the issue is a proven poisonous group having such control and freedom to brainwash our next generation.....this needs to change

That's not what you're trying to ban though. Or are you saying the entire organisation should be banned because of you're perspective?

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm pretty surprised at the comments here. Out of everything in Ireland, the Catholic Church deserves the biggest backlash.

A protest isn't about other people's right to follow whatever religion they like. It's about the affect of a religion on the millions in Ireland who aren't religious, and it's about the organisation's disgusting history here.

Again, not what's being protested against. I don't remember any protest against this. Perhaps you should organise one?

work wrote: »

but the issue is a proven poisonous group having such control and freedom to brainwash our next generation.....this needs to change

Most people I know attended primary and secondary schools owned by the Catholic church,

None of them are "brainwashed".

Geuze wrote: »

This "brainwashing" isn't very effective, is it?

• falling mass attendance
• sex before marriage is common
• widespread co-habitation before marriage
• use of contraception
• 35% babies born outside marriage

Anybody who thinks the Catholic church has "a grip or control" over society is utterly naive.

They have a grip insofar as they are legally allowed to discriminate with regards to entry to State-funded primary schools - THAT needs to change - but again, this is not what the OP or anyone else wants to protest. If it was, they would have portested a long time ago.

try organise a protest to this & you will probably be shot !

just saying .....

captbarnacles wrote: »

I'd like to hear the Pope address some of the past of the Church maybe even take a visit to Tuam. Actually given who he is wouldn't surprise me if he did just that.

A few nice words, and then the whole organisation will continue to drag their heels, and tell survivors of abuse that they're lying, hide internal investigations, and protect offenders.

Just because they've got a nice PR face, doesn't mean the organisation isn't still broken.

I'm not protesting that he's coming, or against ordinary Catholics, I'd protest against the repeated and consistent failures of the RCC to actually do something meaningful in light of abuse.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm not entirely convicned you're being sincere here, but in the event you are, - yeah, let's protest against freedom of expression and freedom of religion. That'll show the rest of the world how modern and toletant we are...

If we judge other nations for tolerance and modernity based on their attitude towards protesters, whats the issue here?

Free to march, free to counter march.

It's only tolerance and openness if ALL views are permitted. The alternative is liberal facism. "My correct view, or **** you, you don't get an opinion".

This is an odd thread really given the usual tone of Catholic Church threads.

It seems to me that most here seem to reckon their virtue-signalling of "tolerance" is of more importance than the actual subject involved - the visit of the designated head of an organisation which has been responsible for decades of abuse, misery and social stagnation in this country and which even now - 25 years after that started to finally loosen - still has lingering effects on things like Education, and the outstanding answers and justice for many of its victims.

I wasn't raised a Catholic - or with any faith (my mother had a "none of the above until they're old enough to decide for themselves" attitude to it all), and while I don't really care either way if he comes as I won't be going or listening to him, it's funny that so many here seem to be against the idea of a peaceful protest by those who may have a legitimate cause for one.. just because it might "look bad" in the era of Twitter and 24/7 news.

Let's turn it on its head.. I was walking down the street with my 6 year old the other day and we passed a truck parked up with a big anti-abortion poster on the side showing an "angry baby". Luckily he's too young to realise the significance, but is that acceptable really?

Rivka Flat Handgun wrote: »

Will you also protest at the governments and civil authorities collusion in self same child abuse cases?

What has that got to do with the thread?

If they no, does not rule out protesting the CC?
If they say yes, will that make you happier?

CruelCoin wrote: »

If we judge other nations for tolerance and modernity based on their attitude towards protesters, whats the issue here?

Free to march, free to counter march.

It's only tolerance and openness if ALL views are permitted. The alternative is liberal facism. "My correct view, or **** you, you don't get an opinion".

Oh, I'm not trying to ban any protest: I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in trying to portray a free and tolerant society by being intolerant of someone else's freedom and tolerance. I totally defend the right to protest, if that's what he wants to do, but when he says "show them that they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society" it doesn't sound like he's even considered anyone else's viewpoint.

OP is the one trying to get something banned here, not me.

work wrote: »

corks finest wrote: »

Obviously you're looking for a knee jerk reaction,here's mine,and really don't care what ppl think,I my family,and most sensible, Christians welcome the holy father,us a man of peace and reconciliation,end of

I fully accept and support your right to welcome the pope however I really do not want a knee jerk reaction. I want Christian indoctrination out of our society along with its pathologic ideals. To this end I am trying to gather support to protest the "holy fathers" coming to Ireland so the political establishment understand how change is not only needed but should be implemented.

Guess you'll have to duck it up kid,as majority in any democratic national calls the shots,and as we are still a Christian nation,tough

work wrote: »

That would be the most important thing to change (state funded school influence) I believe and in fairness in my OP that may not have been evident. I have no personal need to protest but the church have been involved in some very nasty episodes in this country and perhaps a PEACEFUL protest toward their leader (the one that exists) is merited.
I really wanted to just get an idea what people thought about a protest and certainly not to lead one. Without access to the schools most children would not be aware of the church and its teachings. A class on being civic minded, ethical and an understanding of all major religions to help how countries developed should be what children are exposed to.

That's a failing of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform (or whetever it's called) though; not the Catholic Church

Calhoun wrote: »

Quite interesting to see peoples stances on religion, saw something on twitter yesterday where a guy was calling a bunch of people who were protesting the opening of a mosque in Kilkenny racist.

Then compare the reaction to protesting of the Scientology centre in Dublin or this thread. While i do understand that the Irish have been victimized more from the catholic religion i am just wondering why we don't hold all religions to the same standards.

Its about critical mass. Far more people know of and are affected by Catholic faith. The visit of a muslim cleric would unlikely bring about such a state undertaking. It certainly would not involve Croke Park and the Phoenix Park.

The lack of interest in those faiths shows the level of interest, both positive and negative. They are too small to impact on everyday life and as such people are happy enough to let people get on with it.

The Catholic church is very different. Until relatively recently it held a massive sway in the country. From the local priest, to controlling schools. We have only this year got rid of the ban on good friday drinking.

So I don't think it a case of not being against the other religions, but rather what will most people understand and how best to target the mindset.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This is an odd thread really given the usual tone of Catholic Church threads.

It seems to me that most here seem to reckon their virtue-signalling of "tolerance" is of more importance than the actual subject involved - the visit of the designated head of an organisation which has been responsible for decades of abuse, misery and social stagnation in this country and which even now - 25 years after that started to finally loosen - still has lingering effects on things like Education, and the outstanding answers and justice for many of its victims.

I wasn't raised a Catholic - or with any faith (my mother had a "none of the above until they're old enough to decide for themselves" attitude to it all), and while I don't really care either way if he comes as I won't be going or listening to him, it's funny that so many here seem to be against the idea of a peaceful protest by those who may have a legitimate cause for one.. just because it might "look bad" in the era of Twitter and 24/7 news.

Let's turn it on its head.. I was walking down the street with my 6 year old the other day and we passed a truck parked up with a big anti-abortion poster on the side showing an "angry baby". Luckily he's too young to realise the significance, but is that acceptable really?

The church has basically no power and posters like the ones you described are widely mocked by most of society. If were protesting against catholic church then we should also protest against islamic and jewish religions in ireland too,which also caused great misery for millions of its followers too, but we wont, as its not necessary, and would be looked down upon in the case of latter two religions at least

Leroy42 wrote: »

Its about critical mass. Far more people know of and are affected by Catholic faith. The visit of a muslim cleric would unlikely bring about such a state undertaking. It certainly would not involve Croke Park and the Phoenix Park.

The lack of interest in those faiths shows the level of interest, both positive and negative. They are too small to impact on everyday life and as such people are happy enough to let people get on with it.

The Catholic church is very different. Until relatively recently it held a massive sway in the country. From the local priest, to controlling schools. We have only this year got rid of the ban on good friday drinking.

So I don't think it a case of not being against the other religions, but rather what will most people understand and how best to target the mindset.

Well lets put aside the catholic religion, look at the fury and push back on Scientology versus Islam as a religion. Don't get me wrong Islam gets criticism as well but those criticizing it get flagged as racists.