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Bit of a crop of abominations this morning...
https://www.adverts.ie/casual/watch/22931522
https://www.adverts.ie/casual/watch/229331110 -
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Lorddrakul wrote: »
He's put the wrong watch image up he says... but if you scroll thru the images, there is another watch there as well0 -
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https://www.adverts.ie/casual/audemars-piguet-royal-oak-41mm-15400s/23097765#comment_139923005
I am very suspicious here
1. The new post status.
2. The bracelet clasp is not right, there should be screws on the inner part and the AP writing is not like that.
3. Date numbers are very small and dark.
4. The brushing look very coarse.
5. Mirror parts dont seem great.
6. Box is unlike any I can find for this ref.
7. Price is well under market but not screaming fake.
Nothing conclusive but I am very suspicious. Have asked for movement photos.
Real One
This one
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https://www.adverts.ie/casual/audemars-piguet-royal-oak-41mm-15400s/23097765#comment_139923005
I am very suspicious here
1. The new post status.
2. The bracelet clasp is not right, there should be screws on the inner part and the AP writing is not like that.
3. Date numbers are very small and dark.
4. The brushing look very coarse.
5. Mirror parts dont seem great.
6. Box is unlike any I can find for this ref.
7. Price is well under market but not screaming fake.
Nothing conclusive but I am very suspicious. Have asked for movement photos.
Thats definitely fake, the screws on the front are way off, they should be completely flush with the bezel, look at the top two theres a visible gap between them and the recess.
Theres another giveaway thats harder to see, but the A and the P in the AP just below 12 are too close and theres no white between them. The bottom of the P should be flat too but if you zoom in its, not
Compare those photos with this one here, which is the same model-0 -
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https://www.adverts.ie/casual/audemars-piguet-royal-oak-41mm-15400s/23097765#comment_139923005
I am very suspicious here
1. The new post status.
2. The bracelet clasp is not right, there should be screws on the inner part and the AP writing is not like that.
3. Date numbers are very small and dark.
4. The brushing look very coarse.
5. Mirror parts dont seem great.
6. Box is unlike any I can find for this ref.
7. Price is well under market but not screaming fake.
Nothing conclusive but I am very suspicious. Have asked for movement photos.
Real One
This one
Would someone genuine selling this watch highlight the fact it’s water resistance to 50m but little else? It’s not really relevant for this type of watch is it?0 -
griffin100 wrote: »Would someone genuine selling this watch highlight the fact it’s water resistance to 50m but little else? It’s not really relevant for this type of watch is it?
Clearly targetting me there
- let's go skin diving with it 
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The AP was back there for a minute.
By the time I had my question typed it was gone lol. Spocker all over it.
Lots of extra images, of the package. Homer was in there too. He had added an appraisal from 2018, putting the value at $28k
He's relisted the first ad, so lets see what happens there0 -
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Thanks for the reply. I was shocked when I went into dealers in London over a year ago to try a Rolex submariner on to be told there's a waiting list. My reply was exactly what you said that I'd be back when there is a recession, but I think I recall someone else saying on boards even a recession won't affect Rolex. It's bound to increase supply in second hand market.
I visited a few secondhand dealers in London. I visited one in the Burlington Arcade near Regent Street. There are dealers on I think New Bond Street also.
Rolex now sells above RRP, if you want one there is no shortage, loads in dealers who are not main dealers but you will pay 2-4k more for the watch. If you want the cheapest possible Rolex of the sports models, you have to fall on the authorised dealers mercy. That's just the way it is and has been for some time.
Will it change...I dont know. Been predicting a "bubble burst" for years but yet to come to pass. A lot of collectors are really cheesed off with the whole thing, and its not unreasonable to wonder why you cannot spend your own money on the watch you want. But it doesn't work like that.
Three options.
1. Wait for a allocation from a AD.
2. Buy grey and pay extra.
3. Move onto other brands that are available but suffer depreciation.
The Rolex effect is beginning to trickle up and down to other brands (the Rolex effect is actually the stainless Patek effect). Sports AP is over retail, Omega is going up and up in RRP, Patek is gone to the moon. None of it makes sense.
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It kinda does F. What was once a niche hobby, or purchase(and usually a one off one when buying new) has grown exponentially over the last ten years, particularly in the last five, because of wider interest driven by the internet and fashion, egged on by Swiss brands rising prices and throttling supply. Take this very forum started waaaay back in 09. You have to go through five or six pages before you get a mention of Rolex. On that first Rolex thread about buying one you have this post:The Rolex effect is beginning to trickle up and down to other brands (the Rolex effect is actually the stainless Patek effect). Sports AP is over retail, Omega is going up and up in RRP, Patek is gone to the moon. None of it makes sense.You should join up with www.rolexforums.com
There is a buy/sell section where very respected members of the forum sell watches for great prices with lots of availability.
Its a great forum, all the best
It might be down as its having problems in the last week with server and some unknown DDOS attack.
Emphasis mine. If you searched other forums like Watchuseek, or TZUK from that time and before and for quite a while after you'd read similar about the market then. No forum, sub, editorial or dealer today would say great prices and lots of availability for Rolex, or some others for that matter.
Note too the very first two posts in that thread:I'm sort of interested in buying a Rolex, there's some sites where you can buy a discounted one, but Rolex only support watches bought though an official retailers, has anyone any good info re buying from the web, or is it worth only buying from a retailer.Blackpitts wrote: »i've bought my GMT II on the web but on a very reliable forum and with plenty of positive feedback about the seller.
I would never buy it on the first website google is going to show in the list, there are very good places like timezone or watchuseek where you can get a bargain. If you buy a second hand Rolex in mint condition and with box and paper you will get the same support that you would get if you buy from a retailer (if the warranty is still valid)
Emphasis mine.
Kinda puts paid to the notion all too commonly disseminated and believed today that used steel Rolex always kept their values and usually went up in value. EG the Northern Ireland dealer and Youtube "watch expert" who claims on his website and elsewhere that steel Rolexes have never lost value since the 1970's, yet a decade ago... Of course his claim is a blatant bloody nonsense, but people can have short memories, or conflate and extend a current trend to a longer one, especially in a bubble and especially if they've got both feet in the same bubble and need it to grow. Talk of a Rolex bubble itself is only five years old.
For me the only question is how long this current state will or can last. Covid helped as those still working/financially secure were restricted from spending on other things because of lockdowns and general restrictions. The holiday to Bali was kinda out. When we're out the other side of covid will have an effect depending on how much the final bill is going to be. Because it's based on fashion and perceptions of rarity and "value", fashions and perceptions change and can often do so radically and quickly. The slightest run or sell offs on one model will be the trend to watch for, as that tends to be contagious. The top range stuff will always fare better, just like in cars. The Ferrari 250 GTO market cares not a jot for the economy or the wider car market, while "everyday classics" can take a bath. Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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