Second hand tractors are gone expensive

cute geoge · 29-08-2020 9:57pm

I can always remember back i suppose 20 years ago our agri contractor had the same dilemma .He had the price of a new 110 90 but instead bought 2 second hand 956 .They worked grand for a few years but invariably they took it in turn to break down .They then ended up broke down most of the time It depends on the work load but any farmer who buys new ,dont abuse and services his tractor ,this tractor will still be mint in 30 years time .Anyway good genuine 2 nd hand tractors are as dear as new tractor

Mf310 · 29-08-2020 11:18pm

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Sounds like you get a lot more bang for your buck in 2nd case. How so?

5712 is second hand too working out at a little over 70K Would buy a moderately houred 526 for 30K and a 5470 or the likes would be got for circa 40K Would have hours too but regardless its still 2 machines , im in 2 minds like ye say at least buying 1 good/newish machine you know it from the start compared to buying a machine with 5/6000 hours that could give bother for every following hour, But all going well option 2 gives alot more bang for buck

K.G. · 30-08-2020 8:42am

Ye may have a point.i see a1990 mb trac made 70 k sterling the other day.ðŸ˜²

Robson99 · 03-09-2020 10:31pm

Thinking of changing tractor here. Approx 3k to be spent on her and prob get 4-5k for it for export.
Looking for something around 15k. Something tidy fir around yard. Don't need loader. Would only need it for mowing ( disc mower) spreading fertiliser and bales.
Would a 4wd be a waste on something around 80 -90 horse power and what should I be looking at ?

coolbeans · 03-09-2020 10:39pm

K.G. wrote: »

Ye may have a point.i see a1990 mb trac made 70 k sterling the other day.ðŸ˜²

They've a big following because of what they are. That price reflects their collectabilty and not necessarily its value as a farm vehicle. It's a classic.

White Clover · 03-09-2020 10:46pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Thinking of changing tractor here. Approx 3k to be spent on her and prob get 4-5k for it for export.
Looking for something around 15k. Something tidy fir around yard. Don't need loader. Would only need it for mowing ( disc mower) spreading fertiliser and bales.
Would a 4wd be a waste on something around 80 -90 horse power and what should I be looking at ?

What about a Landini 9880? Great tractor, all manual.

MIKEKC · 03-09-2020 10:58pm

C0N0R wrote: »

Quick question, have a tractor that’s fully depreciated, it I trade that tractor in is there a tax issue or how does it work?

Yes there is tax issue. As far as I know present value will be taxable

hopeso · 03-09-2020 11:04pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Thinking of changing tractor here. Approx 3k to be spent on her and prob get 4-5k for it for export.
Looking for something around 15k. Something tidy fir around yard. Don't need loader. Would only need it for mowing ( disc mower) spreading fertiliser and bales.
Would a 4wd be a waste on something around 80 -90 horse power and what should I be looking at ?

The 4wd would depend on your ground. It's certainly not a waste on a 80-90hp tractor. Very worthwhile if you're working in less than ideal conditions.

coolbeans · 03-09-2020 11:09pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Thinking of changing tractor here. Approx 3k to be spent on her and prob get 4-5k for it for export.
Looking for something around 15k. Something tidy fir around yard. Don't need loader. Would only need it for mowing ( disc mower) spreading fertiliser and bales.
Would a 4wd be a waste on something around 80 -90 horse power and what should I be looking at ?

Certainly not a waste but budget is tight so you may have to compromise. As the thread title says used tractors are gone fierce expensive.

Bass Reeves · 03-09-2020 11:24pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Thinking of changing tractor here. Approx 3k to be spent on her and prob get 4-5k for it for export.
Looking for something around 15k. Something tidy fir around yard. Don't need loader. Would only need it for mowing ( disc mower) spreading fertiliser and bales.
Would a 4wd be a waste on something around 80 -90 horse power and what should I be looking at ?

A lot will depend on your other requirements, do you want some form of shuttle, do you need a loader on it, if 2wd will do it sounds like a lot of roadwork is not needed. However this looks ok a McCirmick CX90. I suspect VAT is on top of the price brining it to about 16k and it sterling as well

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/mc-cormick-4-wd/25792158

Robson99 · 03-09-2020 11:56pm

hopeso wrote: »

The 4wd would depend on your ground. It's certainly not a waste on a 80-90hp tractor. Very worthwhile if you're working in less than ideal conditions.

Land a bit heavy but not hilly. Wouldn't be doing much work on it myself bar fertiliser, dung, rolling and mowing / turning.
Just think a 2wd is a neater / tidied tractor bar maybe a new holland 6635 or Case 4240 in a 4wd

shane b · 03-09-2020 11:59pm

As another poster mentioned Landini may be worth looking at. Perkins engines and still fairly mechanical.
Brother bought a 01 Landini Ghibli 90 4wd with 4000 hrs on it last year for 15k. Granted it had a few issues like a hole in the exhaust, one of the doors needed a slam to close and it needed 2 front tyres. Its been going great since he bought it and he only changed the front tyres lately.

Robson99 · 04-09-2020 12:05am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

A lot will depend on your other requirements, do you want some form of shuttle, do you need a loader on it, if 2wd will do it sounds like a lot of roadwork is not needed. However this looks ok a McCirmick CX90. I suspect VAT is on top of the price brining it to about 16k and it sterling as well

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/mc-cormick-4-wd/25792158

Shuttle / loader not required. Have loader on another small tractor that does all that's needed ( stacking some straw / hay and loading some dung ). Very little roadworks.
If a person buys private and does not get an invoice does that mean you can't get tax write off

Bass Reeves · 04-09-2020 7:22am

Robson99 wrote: »

Shuttle / loader not required. Have loader on another small tractor that does all that's needed ( stacking some straw / hay and loading some dung ). Very little roadworks.
If a person buys private and does not get an invoice does that mean you can't get tax write off

Any body can give you an invoice/receipt, jut make sure to pay by cheque, bank draft or bank transfer. Accountant can see it then in bank accountant.

Reggie. · 04-09-2020 12:42pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Land a bit heavy but not hilly. Wouldn't be doing much work on it myself bar fertiliser, dung, rolling and mowing / turning.
Just think a 2wd is a neater / tidied tractor bar maybe a new holland 6635 or Case 4240 in a 4wd

I know theres a restored 2wd landini at the landini dealer near killucan, co westmeath. Think it could be a 9880

Robson99 · 04-09-2020 2:46pm

Thanks Reggie.
I'll probably wait till the new year before I do anything but the likes of that Landini would probably do if cab was ok.
I think they are similar to the MF 390 / 690

hopeso · 04-09-2020 2:49pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Thanks Reggie.
I'll probably wait till the new year before I do anything but the likes of that Landini would probably do if cab was ok.
I think they are similar to the MF 390 / 690

Similar engine and cab.....Totally different tractor otherwise..

Robson99 · 04-09-2020 3:05pm

hopeso wrote: »

Similar engine and cab.....Totally different tractor otherwise..

For better or worse ??

Bazzer007 · 04-09-2020 3:16pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/mf-390-c-w-loader/25756607

390 with a loader and tine grab for under €15k. You could sell the loader and grab making it a cheap tractor. Looks clean and hours are not high.

Iodine1 · 04-09-2020 3:52pm

I'm not looking for a tractor, but looking at those pictures, for interest. 5 photos but show nothing, very badly taken photos. Can't understand why they won't bother with good close shots, and 1 inside cab?

kevthegaff · 04-09-2020 4:00pm

What impact will brexit have on tractor prices?

Bazzer007 · 04-09-2020 4:30pm

I know it's like they don't want to sell it by taking crap pics. Cab pics give you a good overview, hate it when there's none.

Nice JD 6200. Bit overprcied. I have a 98 JD 6400, very nice tractor.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/john-deere/25822907

04-09-2020 5:08pm

Iodine1 wrote: »

I'm not looking for a tractor, but looking at those pictures, for interest. 5 photos but show nothing, very badly taken photos. Can't understand why they won't bother with good close shots, and 1 inside cab?

Agreed, a few shots inside the cab imo are vital. You can tell a lot about a tractor by how the cab was treated, kept clean, seat minded etc.

straight · 04-09-2020 5:21pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

What impact will brexit have on tractor prices?

Good question. Cant see it helping anyway. Will they still be able to import tractors through the north?

bobbyy gee · 04-09-2020 5:23pm

Can you. Bring one. Fr UK they are half that. Price

fastrac94 · 04-09-2020 9:55pm

Anyone here bought second hand tractor from England? Any recommendations for a place to look. Anywhere you would go back to again when looking for another tractor?

Damo810 · 04-09-2020 10:13pm

fastrac94 wrote: »

Anyone here bought second hand tractor from England? Any recommendations for a place to look. Anywhere you would go back to again when looking for another tractor?

No value over there at the minute, certainly not for farmers tractors.

As for the 2/4WD, you'll buy a 4WD as handy these days as a lot of 2WD's have been exported and they are becoming hard got, but still a demand for them as yard tractors, very very few being sold new with many manufacturers not even giving the option for 2WD anymore.

Fiat 80-90/90-90 can be got well under than budget just keep an eye out for rust, Landini's give you a few options too, 9880 or 8880 as mentioned or even a blizzard. You pick up a 00 John Deere at this stage for well within that budget just make sure it hasnt been worked to death and tarted up (that goes for everything in that price bracket). Some earlier valmets come up at that money and are worth looking at, likes of a 6400 or even a 900/A series will fall in your budget and do the work you need just keep an eye on the clutch.

Loads of options in your price range but there is a hell of a lot more bad ones than there is good so proceed with caution and get a good lad to go with you because a 1000 doesnt go very far fixing a lot of tractors nowadays.

TooOldBoots · 04-09-2020 10:36pm

Load of Bord na Mona tractors up for auction. I don't know anything about them but some look ok, others dog rough or just odd.

Bog tractors Bord na mona

NÍL AON TINTEÁN MAR DO THINTEÁN FÉIN

older by the day · 05-09-2020 12:10am

As rough as my neighbours yard. How come they all look so wrecked, have they clean ones hidden else where

coolbeans · 05-09-2020 12:31am

older by the day wrote: »

As rough as my neighbours yard. How come they all look so wrecked, have they clean ones hidden else where

We bought a JD 6910 and a 6930 from BnM. They were a year or two old at the time. Well worked but well looked after. I wouldn't write them off. The ones in the pics look pretty tired though too be fair.

shane b · 05-09-2020 12:40am

There was a BNM auction last year too. I remember it being discussed on a thread here. There was a lot of rough machines for sale and from what was mentioned nothing went cheap.

Man with broke phone · 05-09-2020 12:59am

There is a mathematical formula called the depreciation value of a machine.

I remember doing it in college. Some of you lads will call me a college boy and pay an accountant or bank employee to work it out.

Depreciation comes into it, I remember that much. How cool it looks on the telly doesnt come into it, how many girls it will pull doesnt come into it, how tall itll make ye does not come into the equation, dont impulse buy plant is what Im saying, ask the accountant sure isnt he paid enough and not a speck of dirt on him

Donald Trump · 05-09-2020 12:00pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

There is a mathematical formula called the depreciation value of a machine.

I remember doing it in college. Some of you lads will call me a college boy and pay an accountant or bank employee to work it out.

Depreciation comes into it, I remember that much. How cool it looks on the telly doesnt come into it, how many girls it will pull doesnt come into it, how tall itll make ye does not come into the equation, dont impulse buy plant is what Im saying, ask the accountant sure isnt he paid enough and not a speck of dirt on him

I'd reckon 99% of the posters on here are far more familiar with how you write down book values of assets than you seem to be yourself

TooOldBoots · 05-09-2020 1:31pm

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New hen house sorted

NcdJd · 05-09-2020 5:40pm

TooOldBoots wrote: »

New hen house sorted

Great idea, was looking at the catalogue and was wondering wtf anyone would buy these for. I was thinking tree house ðŸ˜†

kevthegaff · 05-09-2020 9:36pm

TooOldBoots wrote: »

New hen house sorted

We had a Caterpillar 910, and used to leave the roof off cos of low sheds, it reminds me of the ugly cab that was left in the yard. Some loader tho

tabby aspreme · 05-09-2020 11:13pm

NcdJd wrote: »

Great idea, was looking at the catalogue and was wondering wtf anyone would buy these for. I was thinking tree house ðŸ˜†

Was thinking the same myself

Donald Trump · 05-09-2020 11:39pm

TooOldBoots wrote: »

New hen house sorted

Put a few in your garden and rent them out to students.

Housing crisis solved.

Grueller · 06-09-2020 8:10am

Donald Trump wrote: »

Put a few in your garden and rent them out to students.

Housing crisis solved.

Be as good as some of the ones I lived in back in the day

Mooooo · 06-09-2020 8:16am

Weidemann had an add popped up in a feed which said 5% off and an extra years warranty on the 4080, 5080 and telescopic versions of those models. To do with emissions legislation. Looks like they have stock to off load so if someone is in the market they're could be deals to be made.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-09-2020 10:15am

Mooooo wrote: »

Weidemann had an add popped up in a feed which said 5% off and an extra years warranty on the 4080, 5080 and telescopic versions of those models. To do with emissions legislation. Looks like they have stock to off load so if someone is in the market they're could be deals to be made.

There's supposed to be a big backlog in production as well as there's only half the numbers able to work in factories due to social distancing. Waiting times for new machines supposed to have doubled, heard that in a few places when I was looking around at the different machines out there.

Gillespy · 06-09-2020 10:23am

Did you go to look at them Everun loaders you see on donedeal? A few others in that price range too. Be interesting to hear from someone that has been to see them or better again has bought one.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-09-2020 10:28am

Gillespy wrote: »

Did you go to look at them Everun loaders you see on donedeal? A few others in that price range too. Be interesting to hear from someone that has been to see them or better again has bought one.

No, I was going buying secondhand so I stayed away from those. I didn't come across any in Munster or any dealers for them while looking around.

Gillespy · 06-09-2020 10:33am

I would be like you and look to a used one from an established name before one as tempted as they might look.

White Clover · 06-09-2020 11:01am

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1995-o-amp-k-l6-4-16772/25847195

This is a nice looking loader for a handy sized farm.
Anyone know anything or have experience of one?

straight · 06-09-2020 12:42pm

White Clover wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1995-o-amp-k-l6-4-16772/25847195

This is a nice looking loader for a handy sized farm.
Anyone know anything or have experience of one?

Contractors had great meas in the bigger ones anyway. Looks like a bargain to me. I just think myself that you can't beat the tractor and loader as an all round machine. That loader wouldn't be much good for drawing bales in summer on your own.

kevthegaff · 06-09-2020 2:40pm

White Clover wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1995-o-amp-k-l6-4-16772/25847195

This is a nice looking loader for a handy sized farm.
Anyone know anything or have experience of one?

Ya contractor here rates them too

06-09-2020 7:00pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

There's supposed to be a big backlog in production as well as there's only half the numbers able to work in factories due to social distancing. Waiting times for new machines supposed to have doubled, heard that in a few places when I was looking around at the different machines out there.

A brother of mine ordered a new Volvo artic two weeks before lockdown in March he only got it two weeks ago due to the backlog.

Mooooo · 06-09-2020 8:55pm

Fred Daly wrote: »

A brother of mine ordered a new Volvo artic two weeks before lockdown in March he only got it two weeks ago due to the backlog.

What did he get?

Castlekeeper · 06-09-2020 9:20pm

White Clover wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1995-o-amp-k-l6-4-16772/25847195

This is a nice looking loader for a handy sized farm.
Anyone know anything or have experience of one?

Would it reach a 3rd row if bales off a lorry?
That man has a good name afaik.

Second hand tractors are gone expensive

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