Why do Irish people support English teams?

RasTa · 27-07-2019 7:54pm

No problem with anyone living in Ireland supporting a British team but you should be going to a few local games as well. Especially if you travel to the UK to watch Liverpool or United.

D14Rugby · 27-07-2019 8:00pm

8-10 wrote: »

Exactly. It can’t be one size fits all. We’re all different.

First team I started going to is Liverpool. It’s a 30min flight from where I live

It's a 50 minute flight, a 30 minute drive from the airport to anfield, and you're at least 30 minutes from Dublin Airport. That's before adding in security time etc.
As has been said multiple times support as many teams as you like but the minimum expectation is to support local football because without that we may as well pack it all in.

odyssey06 wrote: »

Irish people already do this with GAA and Sky would snaffle up the rights to it if they could. What you are presenting is a fantasy.

Not exactly the same thing as the GAA basically has a set number of teams and no rival leagues but you keep trying.

8-10 · 27-07-2019 8:08pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

It's a 50 minute flight, a 30 minute drive from the airport to anfield, and you're at least 30 minutes from Dublin Airport. That's before adding in security time etc.
As has been said multiple times support as many teams as you like but the minimum expectation is to support local football because without that we may as well pack it all in.

Expectation of who? As I’ve said multiple times I do go to local games.

But I don’t feel for a second like I have to and it doesn’t change the fact that my team is in the UK. I don’t feel a connection to my local team at all and I call Liverpool we not my local team.

But I don’t think there should be an expectation on anybody to do anything. As I say I’m a Red Sox fan, is there an expectation that I go to my local Baseball Ireland team? Do NBA or NFL fans have an expectation to support local basketball and American football teams here? I’ve only ever heard this from one sport: soccer

D14Rugby · 27-07-2019 8:14pm

8-10 wrote: »

Expectation of who? As I’ve said multiple times I do go to local games.

But I don’t feel for a second like I have to and it doesn’t change the fact that my team is in the UK. I don’t feel a connection to my local team at all and I call Liverpool we not my local team.

But I don’t think there should be an expectation on anybody to do anything. As I say I’m a Red Sox fan, is there an expectation that I go to my local Baseball Ireland team? Do NBA or NFL fans have an expectation to support local basketball and American football teams here? I’ve only ever heard this from one sport: soccer

You seem to constantly want to bring stuff back up we've been over already. Franchise sports by their nature are completely different. No the only one you've chosen to hear it for is soccer, same theory behind GAA, rugby, every non franchise sport.

8-10 · 27-07-2019 8:28pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

You seem to constantly want to bring stuff back up we've been over already. Franchise sports by their nature are completely different. No the only one you've chosen to hear it for is soccer, same theory behind GAA, rugby, every non franchise sport.

Baseball isn't a franchise sport in Ireland?

And expectation of who?

You seem to constantly want to ignore direct questions which is why we keep returning to things.

D14Rugby · 27-07-2019 9:40pm

8-10 wrote: »

Baseball isn't a franchise sport in Ireland?

And expectation of who?

You seem to constantly want to ignore direct questions which is why we keep returning to things.

Baseball isn't a sport in Ireland, doubt there's even double digit teams, never even seen a baseball field, nor do many support MLB teams, you'll see yankees stuff around but not because people support them, they just may as well be a hat brand here as far as most are concerned.

A societal expectation, to preserve football for future generations.

Whatever you want to claim i ignore isn't the ****e you keep bringing up

8-10 · 27-07-2019 9:48pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Baseball isn't a sport in Ireland, doubt there's even double digit teams, never even seen a baseball field

Ah yeah you haven't seen one, so it doesn't exist

There's also a national team you know as well as clubs across the country.

This idea that supporting a local team here is different if it's a sport that is a franchise sport in a different country is what I find bizarre.

Jim Gazebo · 27-07-2019 9:54pm

Occasionally dropping in here these days just to depress myself about the state of affairs with football in Ireland.

8-10 · 27-07-2019 9:55pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

It's a 50 minute flight

No, it's 30.

You counting taxi time to try and win anything argument? Flight itself is 30mins

D14Rugby · 27-07-2019 9:57pm

8-10 wrote: »

Ah yeah you haven't seen one, so it doesn't exist

There's also a national team you know as well as clubs across the country.

This idea that supporting a local team here is different if it's a sport that is a franchise sport in a different country is what I find bizarre.

I just googled it there. Across the country is a very generous way to put it. There's about 5 grounds in the country. The idea of supporting local doesn't extend to pub leagues. And nobody supports baseball in Ireland anyway so you're arguing about something that doesn't happen.

8-10 wrote: »

No, it's 30.

You counting taxi time to try and win anything argument? Flight itself is 30mins

I'm counting time you're on the plane you can't just ignore the parts that are inconvenient to your argument.

8-10 · 27-07-2019 9:57pm

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Occasionally dropping in here these days just to depress myself about the state of affairs with football in Ireland.

In fairness this thread is supposed to be about football in England and why we support it rather than football in Ireland. But it has many tangents

8-10 · 27-07-2019 10:09pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

The idea of supporting local doesn't extend to pub leagues.

Are these rules written down anywhere? Seems like new ones are invented everyday so would be good to know where I can find these rules to be a supporter?

Today it's "you can support a team if you also support your local team, which is the team you started going to first unless that team plays in a pub league or is a franchise sport in the USA" is that right?

D14Rugby wrote: »

And nobody supports baseball in Ireland anyway so you're arguing about something that doesn't happen.

If course they do. The lack of knowledge into the modern world and having people following interests outside this island is why people have this archaic view of soccer and are unable to understand how people can follow a team in another country. We have tv, internet etc. Just because you haven't seen a team play here or seen a field or met a supporter (newsflash, I'm one so you have but you likely don't count it because it's online) doesn't equal no supporters in the country.

As I've already said I'm a Red Sox fan, and you can freely visit the Baseball forum on this Irish website you'll see how ridiculous it is to claim nobody follows the sport.

Secondly, I mentioned NBA and NFL too which you are ignoring, are you saying there's no fans of that too?

What appears to have really happened is that you made an argument that franchise sports are different, I pointed out that those sports are franchised in a different country not here, and you have changed the argument to "nobody watches it anyway" and "actually it doesn't count unless the league is of a certain standard"

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D14Rugby · 27-07-2019 10:36pm

8-10 wrote: »

Are these rules written down anywhere? Seems like new ones are invented everyday so would be good to know where I can find these rules to be a supporter?

Today it's "you can support a team if you also support your local team, which is the team you started going to first unless that team plays in a pub league or is a franchise sport in the USA" is that right?

If course they do. The lack of knowledge into the modern world and having people following interests outside this island is why people have this archaic view of soccer and are unable to understand how people can follow a team in another country. We have tv, internet etc. Just because you haven't seen a team play here or seen a field or met a supporter (newsflash, I'm one so you have but you likely don't count it because it's online) doesn't equal no supporters in the country.

As I've already said I'm a Red Sox fan, and you can freely visit the Baseball forum on this Irish website you'll see how ridiculous it is to claim nobody follows the sport.

Secondly, I mentioned NBA and NFL too which you are ignoring, are you saying there's no fans of that too?

What appears to have really happened is that you made an argument that franchise sports are different, I pointed out that those sports are franchised in a different country not here, and you have changed the argument to "nobody watches it anyway" and "actually it doesn't count unless the league is of a certain standard"

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We've been through this before with your Sunday league ****e.
I really don't know how you haven't got why a franchise aspect changes everything, especially with ****ing baseball, I mean come on the only sport its more obvious with is American Football.

I've met people that might watch baseball on tv, but it's not something people declare they support one franchise of. And if they did grand because there is no baseball here of not, just some sunday league.
Do you realise what the N in these stands for? It is literally impossible for people to have a local team.

I didn't change my argument to it I added it in, and the fact they're franchised changes it for everyone in the world, they're not clubs for the city or town or wherever they're in, they're for the world and just happen to play their home games somewhere, that's the whole basis of the franchise model.

odyssey06 · 28-07-2019 10:43am

Once upon a time there were only Sunday league teams. It was successive generations of glory hunting fans, local, new arrivals and elsewhere, who turned some teams into bigger clubs than others.

Most sports fans in Ireland support their local team. The problem for soccer is that in most cases the local team isnt a soccer team. It is GAA or in pockets rugby.

D14Rugby · 28-07-2019 10:51am

odyssey06 wrote: »

Once upon a time there were only Sunday league teams. It was successive generations of glory hunting fans, local, new arrivals and elsewhere, who turned some teams into bigger clubs than others.

Most sports fans in Ireland support their local team. The problem for soccer is that in most cases the local team isnt a soccer team. It is GAA or in pockets rugby.

Not historically accurate as to what happened whatsoever.

SHOVELLER · 31-07-2019 2:24pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Of course they are, saying there not is like saying Irish people dont like alcohol, there's no logic or common sense in saying that, saying there not shows a major lack of football knowledge. Barstoolers can tell the difference between a high standard of football and a good standatd of football and If you love football you will always be interested in watching great players play and with the EPL you have players far far better than Jack Byrne will ever be. You can't tell people what they can and can't watch as we live in Ireland and not North Korea.

Actually there is logic to it. Barstoolers "follow" the same english teams because they are successful and everybody else does. Your posts show a major lack of football knowledge. But hey enjoy your remote control.

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I don't think it's productive to call fans barstoolers. We should be trying to promote our league to them. They are already football fans and understand the game. Some of them go to games abroad and if a "barstooler" was at Rovers last two European games they would certainly have been turned, such was the quality of play and atmosphere. Efforts would be better spent promoting the positives of our league, such as sitting in a fantastic stadium like Tallaght, rather than knocking people for following a foreign league, they're never going to attend matches here if we knock them. Here are the highlights from Rovers win on Thursday, unfortunately it doesn't show the amazing footwork of Jack Byrne, he's unreal, if I accurately said how good he is, you wouldn't believe me. Other highlights not included are a Joey O'Brien mazy run and Greg Bolger's trojan work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJF4Ni0T2_c

I was at the game and agree about the quality. But barstoolers are so brainwashed there really is not turning them. I've met them in Tallaght when we had the misfortune of playing these teams and they are beyond saving. One guy had qpr on a tricolour and didnt see anything wrong with it:rolleyes:

We need to attract kids to going to games in their own country as these people are a lost cause. Sure you only have to look at their "logic" here.

8-10 wrote: »

I’m going to be looking out for Union Berlin this season. First ever time in the Bundesliga after getting promoted and a great fan base. A few years back the fans literally built part of the stadium because the club couldn’t afford it. And they also raised money though a blood drive. They literally gave up their own blood for the club.

I’d love to go see them play, Berlin is such a fun city to visit.

Why dont you look out for a club in your own country???

Omackeral · 31-07-2019 2:41pm

SHOVELLER wrote: »

I've met them in Tallaght when we had the misfortune of playing these teams and they are beyond saving.

I remember Shamrock Rovers played Spurs in the Europa League and there were a tonne of Irish there to cheer on the British club against the Irish one. Now I'm no lover of Rovers but when their fans chanted ''does your telly know you're here'' I had to admit it was a cracker.

Dr. Bre · 31-07-2019 3:08pm

Omackeral wrote: »

I remember Shamrock Rovers played Spurs in the Europa League and there were a tonne of Irish there to cheer on the British club against the Irish one. Now I'm no lover of Rovers but when their fans chanted ''does your telly know you're here'' I had to admit it was a cracker.

Classic! Does your telly know your here lol

The Moldy Gowl · 31-07-2019 3:19pm

I was talking to a lad after work yesterday about going for a pint with the rest of them.
He said he would because celtic were on who had a 5 nil lead from the first leg.

I said dundalk would be on as well and are drawing against qaraburg, you know the team who drew against atletico last year.
He was having none of it.

You can't get through to people like that

The Moldy Gowl · 31-07-2019 3:20pm

And I know they are on tonight. What can I say, I'm a plastic

8-10 · 31-07-2019 3:35pm

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Why dont you look out for a club in your own country???

I do, as I've posted numerous times in this thread. I also go to some of their games.

But I don't consider them 'my' team or me a 'supporter' of them

My team is Liverpool

8-10 · 31-07-2019 3:37pm

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

And I know they are on tonight. What can I say, I'm a plastic

Liverpool v Lyon on LFCTV too unfortunately! Last preseason game... :P

Greyfox · 31-07-2019 5:37pm

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Actually there is logic to it. Barstoolers "follow" the same english teams because they are successful and everybody else does. Your posts show a major lack of football knowledge. But hey enjoy your remote control.

Nothing wrong with my knowledge, I can accept the way football is supported in Ireland and there's no logic to your argument. To be a football fan the only criteria is that you watch football regularly. Yes and a big part of the joy of supporting a team is having people you can share the ups and downs with and unfortunately lots of Irish people dont have family our friends that support our own league so we get that fix from the EPL. It's unfortunate as the reality is if people went to local matches they would make new friends and experience the joy of live football with them.

SHOVELLER wrote: »

I was at the game and agree about the quality. But barstoolers are so brainwashed there really is not turning them. I've met them in Tallaght when we had the misfortune of playing these teams and they are beyond saving. One guy had qpr on a tricolour and didnt see anything wrong with it:rolleyes:

We need to attract kids to going to games in their own country as these people are a lost cause. Sure you only have to look at their "logic" here.

It's not brainwashing, its simply the fact that the Irish league had no answer to Sky's marketing and did not do enough to get kids going to games. Hopefully the Irish league will work harder at getting kids going to live games as a succesful Irish league is good for everyone.

Omackeral · 31-07-2019 5:56pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Nothing wrong with my knowledge

Ok but just an FYI...

Greyfox wrote: »

It's not brainwashing, its simply the fact that the Irish league had no answer to Sky's marketing and did not do enough to get kids going to games. Hopefully the Irish league will work harder at getting kids going to live games as a succesful Irish league is good for everyone.

Irish League is what the folks use for the game in Northern Ireland.

League of Ireland is ours.

8-10 · 31-07-2019 6:03pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Ok but just an FYI...

Irish League is what the folks use for the game in Northern Ireland.

League of Ireland is ours.

You could use the same argument for both though in fairness. Plenty of United and Liverpool supporters in the north that don't go to local games.

Again it's not unique to LOI

Omackeral · 31-07-2019 6:28pm

8-10 wrote: »

You could use the same argument for both though in fairness. Plenty of United and Liverpool supporters in the north that don't go to local games.

Again it's not unique to LOI

I was merely telling the poster above me that Irish League is classically what the league north of the border is called whereas the Republic's is League of Ireland. They seem to think the ROI's is called the Irish League.

D14Rugby · 31-07-2019 6:38pm

Greyfox wrote: »

It's not brainwashing, its simply the fact that the Irish league had no answer to Sky's marketing

Makes a statement and then immediately contradicts it, you couldn't make this stuff up.

Greyfox · 31-07-2019 8:02pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Ok but just an FYI...
Irish League is what the folks use for the game in Northern Ireland.

League of Ireland is ours.

Yeah your right

D14Rugby wrote: »

Makes a statement and then immediately contradicts it, you couldn't make this stuff up.

It's doesn't contradict what I said. Marketing and brainwashing are 2 different things

D14Rugby · 31-07-2019 8:20pm

Greyfox wrote: »

It's doesn't contradict what I said. Marketing and brainwashing are 2 different things

Marketing is just a form of brainwashing.

8-10 · 31-07-2019 8:44pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Marketing is just a form of brainwashing.

Do you think a marketing slogan such as "real football, real fans" could be construed as brainwashing?

D14Rugby · 31-07-2019 8:56pm

8-10 wrote: »

D14Rugby wrote: »

Marketing is just a form of brainwashing.

Do you think a marketing slogan such as "real football, real fans" could be construed as brainwashing?

It's an attempt at it but it's not pushed enough to be effective.

There's so many examples of slogans that are completely ingrained in society. You sing the mcdonalds jingle to people and they'll go "I'm loving it", Gillette, L'Oréal, all with slogans people instinctively know. Even sky sports "Super Sunday" is a clear football example.

Omackeral · 31-07-2019 8:57pm

8-10 wrote: »

Do you think a marketing slogan such as "real football, real fans" could be construed as brainwashing?

On the subject of marketing, I think GAA hit it on the head with their Nothing Beats Being There.

8-10 · 31-07-2019 9:08pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

It's an attempt at it but it's not pushed enough to be effective.

So you don't think there's a mentality about LOI football being more real and fans thinking the same?

To me I think it's more effective than you think, just look at the people on this thread talking about being a "proper" or "real" fan

Marketing works

D14Rugby · 31-07-2019 9:40pm

8-10 wrote: »

So you don't think there's a mentality about LOI football being more real and fans thinking the same?

To me I think it's more effective than you think, just look at the people on this thread talking about being a "proper" or "real" fan

Marketing works

That slogan developed from the mentality not the other way round.

The Moldy Gowl · 31-07-2019 9:43pm

8-10 wrote: »

So you don't think there's a mentality about LOI football being more real and fans thinking the same?

To me I think it's more effective than you think, just look at the people on this thread talking about being a "proper" or "real" fan

Marketing works

Not being funny, but it is more real.
You're there in the stands, with the chants. Players in front of you. Or course they aren't as good as the Premiership but for those 90 minutes it dosent matter.

Rather than being at home in your jocks with an 'illegal' stream.

And this is coming from a man utd fan for years who would get up for pre season games.

8-10 · 31-07-2019 10:34pm

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Not being funny, but it is more real.
You're there in the stands, with the chants. Players in front of you. Or course they aren't as good as the Premiership but for those 90 minutes it dosent matter.

But are you only a real fan watching it live?

If you watch Dundalk tonight on eir Sport 1 are you not a real fan? But you are the next time you go to Oriel Park?

I'm not denying that going to see games live is more real and a much much superior experience. It's the "real fan" thing that I don't get. There's all these rules around it.

Can you be a real fan and watch your team on tv?

D14Rugby · 31-07-2019 10:50pm

8-10 wrote: »

But are you only a real fan watching it live?

If you watch Dundalk tonight on eir Sport 1 are you not a real fan? But you are the next time you go to Oriel Park?

I'm not denying that going to see games live is more real and a much much superior experience. It's the "real fan" thing that I don't get. There's all these rules around it.

Can you be a real fan and watch your team on tv?

Not being able to make it to Azerbaijan is completely different to not bothwto go 20 minutes down the road.

No you can't. And if you tried to say you supported Liverpool as much as a scouser that follows them home and away or has been attending games when ticket availability allows for their whole life you'd be laughed at by them

Omackeral · 31-07-2019 10:53pm

8-10 wrote: »

Can you be a real fan and watch your team on tv?

Yes you can be a fan but nothing beats being there. Being there is far better and far more involved. If you can't be there for one reason or another, catching it on TV or online is the second best option. But to me, it's a very distant second best.

8-10 · 31-07-2019 11:05pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Yes you can be a fan but nothing beats being there. Being there is far better and far more involved. If you can't be there for one reason or another, catching it on TV or online is the second best option. But to me, it's a very distant second best.

Agree with all of this

8-10 · 31-07-2019 11:08pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

No you can't. And if you tried to say you supported Liverpool as much as a scouser that follows them home and away or has been attending games when ticket availability allows for their whole life you'd be laughed at by them

Not saying it's as much as anyone or more than anyone. Was just asking if you can be a real fan and watch on TV per these rules of yours. Answer is no. I'm learning more and more about your made up rules everyday from this thread.

D14Rugby · 31-07-2019 11:17pm

8-10 wrote: »

Not saying it's as much as anyone or more than anyone. Was just asking if you can be a real fan and watch on TV per these rules of yours. Answer is no. I'm learning more and more about your made up rules everyday from this thread.

My answer is no in the terms you mean it. As in treating football like a TV show.

The Moldy Gowl · 31-07-2019 11:31pm

8-10 wrote: »

But are you only a real fan watching it live?

If you watch Dundalk tonight on eir Sport 1 are you not a real fan? But you are the next time you go to Oriel Park?

I'm not denying that going to see games live is more real and a much much superior experience. It's the "real fan" thing that I don't get. There's all these rules around it.

Can you be a real fan and watch your team on tv?

I went to the pub to watch it tonight. Few other heads watching it tonight. Was with 2 other lads who support Liverpool, one was laughing about how bad dundalk were without ever having seen a game from them, before kick off.
Dundalk gave them a game until they had to push for a goal and conceded a second.

He may have a Liverpool tattoo but do I consider him a football fan? Absolutely not.
Is he from Liverpool? He is in his hole.
Will he go to the next Ireland game? Of course he will.
It's these fans that grind my gears but are happy to talk about European football but be so ignorant to what is under their nose.
More into getting one up on their buddy than anything.

I don't support dundalk but want them to do well. I'm not gonna fly to Baku to watch them play their banjos.

8-10 · 01-08-2019 8:18am

Was this pub in Louth? Maybe he wasn't from there so had no connection to the local club?

dan1895 · 01-08-2019 9:38am

Everyone knows a true fan is those of us in the jacks in work while doing a late shift on a Friday furiously updating livescore.
Or is that just me?

Greyfox · 01-08-2019 10:08am

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

I went to the pub to watch it tonight. Few other heads watching it tonight. Was with 2 other lads who support Liverpool, one was laughing about how bad dundalk were without ever having seen a game from them, before kick off.
Dundalk gave them a game until they had to push for a goal and conceded a second.

He may have a Liverpool tattoo but do I consider him a football fan? Absolutely not.

You don't know enough about the guy to know if he's a football fan or not but its true that he was a bit of an ar**hole for not caring about his own league

padzer220982 · 01-08-2019 2:03pm

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

8-10 wrote: »

But are you only a real fan watching it live?

If you watch Dundalk tonight on eir Sport 1 are you not a real fan? But you are the next time you go to Oriel Park?

I'm not denying that going to see games live is more real and a much much superior experience. It's the "real fan" thing that I don't get. There's all these rules around it.

Can you be a real fan and watch your team on tv?

I went to the pub to watch it tonight. Few other heads watching it tonight. Was with 2 other lads who support Liverpool, one was laughing about how bad dundalk were without ever having seen a game from them, before kick off.
Dundalk gave them a game until they had to push for a goal and conceded a second.

He may have a Liverpool tattoo but do I consider him a football fan? Absolutely not.
Is he from Liverpool? He is in his hole.
Will he go to the next Ireland game? Of course he will.
It's these fans that grind my gears but are happy to talk about European football but be so ignorant to what is under their nose.
More into getting one up on their buddy than anything.

I don't support dundalk but want them to do well. I'm not gonna fly to Baku to watch them play their banjos.

These are the type of "fans" that I have to put up around me unfortunately especially here in Tipp, when they tell me the league of Ireland is terrible when they've never bothered their h*le to go a game. Fair enough if you follow a PL team I follow Liverpool myself, but for these ''football fans'' to willingly ignore their country's own league is inexcusable in my opinion

8-10 · 01-08-2019 2:13pm

padzer220982 wrote: »

These are the type of "fans" that I have to put up around me unfortunately especially here in Tipp, when they tell me the league of Ireland is terrible when they've never bothered their h*le to go a game. Fair enough if you follow a PL team I follow Liverpool myself, but for these ''football fans'' to willingly ignore their country's own league is inexcusable in my opinion

Yeah every fanbase has eejits, not even just fans of EPL teams. Wouldn't tar them all with the same brush. Some of us are alright.

Edgware · 01-08-2019 6:12pm

dan1895 wrote: »

Everyone knows a true fan is those of us in the jacks in work while doing a late shift on a Friday furiously updating livescore.
Or is that just me?

in the jacks "updating livescore" Thats a new name for it

The Moldy Gowl · 01-08-2019 6:27pm

Greyfox wrote: »

You don't know enough about the guy to know if he's a football fan or not but its true that he was a bit of an ar**hole for not caring about his own league

But I'm his friend so I probably do?

SHOVELLER · 07-08-2019 2:49pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Nothing wrong with my knowledge, I can accept the way football is supported in Ireland and there's no logic to your argument. To be a football fan the only criteria is that you watch football regularly. Yes and a big part of the joy of supporting a team is having people you can share the ups and downs with and unfortunately lots of Irish people dont have family our friends that support our own league so we get that fix from the EPL. It's unfortunate as the reality is if people went to local matches they would make new friends and experience the joy of live football with them.

It's not brainwashing, its simply the fact that the Irish league had no answer to Sky's marketing and did not do enough to get kids going to games. Hopefully the Irish league will work harder at getting kids going to live games as a succesful Irish league is good for everyone.

There's nothing wrong with your knowledge because you dont have any. To be a football fan you go to gaes in your city or country. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS THE WORLD OVER.

I was in Cyprus for the Rovers game and guess where the opposition fans came from?

It is brainwashing. End of. Look at the ads on tv now. "Football is back":rolleyes: and all the barstoolers getting moist over this "fact".

Again the league here is not the Irish League. Good lord

Why do Irish people support English teams?

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