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Miles fuel (Topaz/Circle K)

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  • #102
    wmpdd3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    So like Dipetane then?


  • #103
    s15r330
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭s15r330


    honda boi wrote: »
    Hasn't topaz always said it improves up to 3% fuel economy?

    I have an app that tracks my mpg and I update it with every fill as I do close to 1,000 miles per week.

    I use the same Topaz all the time.
    Since "miles" came in i haven't noticed a 3% improvement, more like 0%.

    So I definitely won't be paying extra for "miles plus".


  • #104
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    s15r330 wrote: »
    I have an app that tracks my mpg and I update it with every fill as I do close to 1,000 miles per week.

    I use the same Topaz all the time.
    Since "miles" came in i haven't noticed a 3% improvement, more like 0%.

    So I definitely won't be paying extra for "miles plus".
    The miles additive (lubrizol) has actually been added to topaz fuel for about the past 12 months.
    Before that they used keropur.

    Both additives claim 3% over non additized ! fuel.

    The plus, will just have a higher amount of additive.
    Unfortunately the petrol will only be 95ron
    However the diesel plus, will have some extra cetane points/number as a higher amount of 2-ehn is added.


  • #105
    s15r330
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭s15r330


    mikeecho wrote: »
    The miles additive (lubrizol) has actually been added to topaz fuel for about the past 12 months.
    Before that they used keropur.

    Both additives claim 3% over non additized ! fuel.

    The plus, will just have a higher amount of additive.
    Unfortunately the petrol will only be 95ron
    However the diesel plus, will have some extra cetane points/number as a higher amount of 2-ehn is added.

    Ah, didn't know that! Well in that case i've been only recording the mpg for 7months or so, I wouldn't notice if the increase was already there.


  • #106
    GhostyMcGhost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭GhostyMcGhost


    new & improved ...

    Always makes me laugh. Anyway this looks like neither

    Seems its already been part of the offering for some time and my bank balance certainly won't improve by buying some cleverly marketed fuel


  • #107
    dar83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭dar83


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    Do I need to notify my insurance if use this stuff, due to the 'more power and acceleration' ?


  • #108
    GhostyMcGhost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭GhostyMcGhost


    dar83 wrote: »
    Do I need to notify my insurance if use this stuff, due to the 'more power and acceleration' ?

    On the other hand, check with Shannon if you've lower emissions :)


  • #109
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    Of course they have released Dyno figures on a range of cars old and new? Cant seem to find them? That is a serious price hike, would want to be 5-10% more efficient to make it worthwhile from an economy POV. (they claim 3%). They have a calculator but I cant see how it is accurate given the price.

    Would love some 98 octane premium unleaded in this country mind you and would pay extra for that.


  • #110
    dar83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭dar83


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    I think that's the main missed trick here to be honest. There is definitely a market out there for a proper performance fuel but companies are probably shying away from it because due to the taxation it would be 10-12c per litre more than the regular stuff. I personally wouldn't mind paying that whatsoever for decent fuel as I don't do huge mileage and the car performing as it should is more important to me than saving €5 per fill, but I guess they figure a lot of people wouldn't be that way inclined and it would be a failure.


    The even worse part about this Plus experiment is that it will probably be used as justification for their being no market for premium fuels here when it does fail, which other brands will probably use as rationale to never give it a try either. :(

    In a very outside chance and potential positive though, maybe it will be a success and other brands will look to jump on board with similar ideas, but will actually go that one step further to get one-up on Topaz and will introduce proper 98. :D


  • #111
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    OSI wrote: »
    7c a litre more expensive:

    3266330949.jpg

    I can see it being withdrawn within a matter of months. First of all no one will pay roughly €3-4 a tank more for a gimmick fuel so the fuel lying in the storage tanks at filling stations will go 'off' resulting in poorer performance and MPG results when people do buy it.

    Secondly if you want people to try a new product then you have to offer it to them at the same price (or only a cent or two more expensive) as the regular product for them to see the difference. If people notice an actual Difference then there is a greater chance they'll buy it at a higher price.

    I will not be trying this product despite having a topaz card and getting a 3.5c per litre with it. Simply not worth it.


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  • #112
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    6% more expensive saves (a claimed) 3% in fuel, what am I missing?


  • #113
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    GhostyMcGhost wrote: »
    new & improved ...

    Always makes me laugh. Anyway this looks like neither

    Seems its already been part of the offering for some time and my bank balance certainly won't improve by buying some cleverly marketed fuel

    It's the milesPlus that is new an improved.. Not the regular miles fuel



    @ OSI Where did you see that Monolith ?


    I passed Topaz Tivoli today, and they just had the regular signage, and i passed Topaz on the Bandon Rd, R-about, and i they also had the 2 price sign, but i thought it was a lot more expensive than usual, diesel last week was 119.9 and petrol was 130.9 , and today i thought it say 128.9 and 138.9 .. but i was a bit of a distance away.


  • #114
    GhostyMcGhost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭GhostyMcGhost


    mikeecho wrote: »
    It's the milesPlus that is new an improved.. Not the regular miles fuel

    I was think of the Billy Connolly joke that something can't be brand new and improved at the same time


  • #115
    sidcon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭sidcon


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

    Secondly if you want people to try a new product then you have to offer it to them at the same price (or only a cent or two more expensive) as the regular product for them to see the difference. If people notice an actual Difference then there is a greater chance they'll buy it at a higher price.

    They are offering a discount but it's on the second fill. They will give you your second fill of miles plus at the standard diesel price. Theory begin that you will see the difference by the second fill.


  • #116
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    I know I've been posting a lot About the plus fuels.

    I for one will be buying it.

    Hopefully if there is enough of a demand, other fuel companies will also offer the super premium fuels. If miles plus is a success, maybe maxol or someone else might jump on board with a 98ron.


  • #117
    Riva10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Riva10


    mikeecho wrote: »
    I know I've been posting a lot About the plus fuels.

    I for one will be buying it.

    Hopefully if there is enough of a demand, other fuel companies will also offer the super premium fuels. If miles plus is a success, maybe maxol or someone else might jump on board with a 98ron.

    Even without proof the PR men win again.
    And Doubting Thomas will remain unconvinced :D


  • #118
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Diesel is expensive enough anyway lads without voluntarily paying more!
    I'll stick to the cheapest possible, ta.


  • #119
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    Full tank of Plus petrol....feel no difference, I will put another tank in next week and make a judgement. I think any perceived difference would be placebo if at all.


  • #120
    GhostyMcGhost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭GhostyMcGhost


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Diesel is expensive enough anyway lads without voluntarily paying more!
    I'll stick to the cheapest possible, ta.

    Cheap could end up being kerosene in disguise! And that won't be cheap to fix

    By all means buy cheap but buy from a reputable brand and not some pop up garage especially along the west

    Yes miles+ is more expensive a for me not worth it but at least anyway it's not bad/dirty fuel

    I got diesel for 1.13 recently but the garage is long standing and full of taxi drivers so should be OK.


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  • #121
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    GhostyMcGhost wrote: »
    Cheap could end up being kerosene in disguise! And that won't be cheap to fix

    By all means buy cheap but buy from a reputable brand and not some pop up garage especially along the west

    Yes miles+ is more expensive a for me not worth it but at least anyway it's not bad/dirty fuel

    I got diesel for 1.13 recently but the garage is long standing and full of taxi drivers so should be OK.
    yeah true but my diesel is an old school one so it wouldnt mind some bad "lesser quality" fuel anyway.

    On a 3 year old diesel I had for a while, there was a warning not to use more than 5% biodiesel, let alone anything else so if I were running a new diesel I'd only go to the likes of Topaz etc.


  • #122
    Leonard Hofstadter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    I can't see any reason to pay extra for miles plus unless it's 98 RON. For the sake of 7 cent a litre I'd pay it, 98 RON costs more than that in the UK.

    Especially with modern turbocharged petrol engines, they do run best on 98 RON so I think there is a market for it there.


  • #123
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,036 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    GhostyMcGhost wrote: »
    Cheap could end up being kerosene in disguise! And that won't be cheap to fix


    I got diesel for 1.13 recently but the garage is long standing and full of taxi drivers so should be OK.

    Taxi drivers don't buy quality they buy the cheapest, look at the majority of their tyres. So the only place I go full of taxis is a rank and I'll skip the heaps for a decent looking motor.


  • #124
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    Riva10 wrote: »
    Even without proof the PR men win again.
    And Doubting Thomas will remain unconvinced :D

    I'll be buying diesel, it's 60 cetane, I currently use additives to bring regular diesel up in cetane numbers.
    So it'll save me the trouble of using additives.
    Also, if there is a demand for better fuels, maybe other companies will come on board and offer better fuel, and maybe, just maybe if people are willing to pay for better fuel, someone will come along and say, our super fuel is 98 ron, ... better than that circle k 95ron stuff.

    (I use Diesel day to day, petrol at weekends, and id love some 98, )


  • #125
    Riva10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Riva10


    Serenity Sharp Matting wrote: »
    Full tank of Plus petrol....feel no difference, I will put another tank in next week and make a judgement. I think any perceived difference would be placebo if at all.

    Fool me once, shame on you
    Fool me twice, shame on me
    :):)


  • #126
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    Riva10 wrote: »
    Fool me once, shame on you
    Fool me twice, shame on me
    :):)

    My doc put me on antibiotics.. i took one. felt no different.. shame on me.



    Let's go back to 91ron.. your car will run on it.
    Not as well as 95ron, but it'll run.
    Now imagine that your car will run better on 98, .. but 91 is cheaper .
    Yeah, you'll put 91 in cos it's cheaper.

    Some people don't mind spending a little more for something better.

    Your modern diesel is designed to run on a minimum 51 cetane,, yeah sure it'll run on 45cetane (green diesel), but it'll run a lot smoother on 60cetane.

    But.. Let's just use the cheapest fuel available, then bitch and moan come nct time, and ask if half a bottle of Dipetane and some wing wang tyres will get me through the test.


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  • #127
    ianobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ianobrien


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    So, does anybody know or have something "official" saying what the octane and cetane levels are? If the diesel has a higher cetane rating, I'll be buying it.

    I ran a light commercial vehicle for a month while road tripping to the Bavarian Alps on either Shell V-Power Diesel or BP Ultimate Diesel and it had noticeable more power when compared to the Irish Diesel it was on at the start of the road trip. It was really noticeable up hills and when overtaking. I made sure that the tank was full getting the ferry home..........


  • #128
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,036 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    mikeecho wrote: »
    But.. Let's just use the cheapest fuel available, then bitch and moan come nct time, and ask if half a bottle of Dipetane and some wing wang tyres will get me through the test.

    The problem is that 99% of the people in this country do that, they bought diesel cars for the cheap motor tax while having completely unsuitable usage and most likely spend several thousand Euro to avail of this cheap tax.

    So where is the market for 98ron petrol and 60 cetane diesel when the majority of people only look at the price and don't care about anything else, why else are the no name diesel shops selling acid still going. The few people who will use it are too widely spread to make it viable to sell because if a forecourt could make a few extra cent on fuel they'd be selling it.


  • #129
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    ianobrien wrote: »
    So, does anybody know or have something "official" saying what the octane and cetane levels are? If the diesel has a higher cetane rating, I'll be buying it.

    Here's the specs of milesplus diesel in Sweden.

    If you look at the specs across Europe, miles diesel is 51, and the plus is 60

    http://m.circlek.se/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=Content-Disposition&blobheadername2=Content-Type&blobheadervalue1=attachment%3B+filename%3D%22Product+Bl+milesPLUS+diesel%2C0.pdf%22&blobheadervalue2=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1335507899680&ssbinary=true

    Its the same for Poland, Denmark etc. Regular 51cetane, plus 60cetane.


  • #130
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    The RON number is 95 for miles plus.


  • #131
    pajor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭pajor


    Atari Jaguar
    captainspeed wrote: »
    I can't see any reason to pay extra for miles plus unless it's 98 RON. For the sake of 7 cent a litre I'd pay it, 98 RON costs more than that in the UK.

    Especially with modern turbocharged petrol engines, they do run best on 98 RON so I think there is a market for it there.

    Costs even more here in NL. Closest station to me that has 98 RON charges 167.9 atm. Regular 95 is 152.9

    I keep wanting to fill the Golf with 98 but can't justify that sort of price difference.


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  • #132
    sidcon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭sidcon


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    And we give out about 95ron imagine we had no legislation


  • #133
    sidcon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭sidcon


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    And we give out about 95ron imagine we had no legislation


  • #134
    Riva10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Riva10


    mikeecho wrote: »
    My doc put me on antibiotics.. i took one. felt no different.. shame on me.

    Keep taking the tablets. No doubt your doctor knows best. :D


  • #135
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    Sigh... just saw the spec sheets, and the diesel plus will still only be rated as min51 cetane.

    But then again, all the spec sheets just state the min required , and claim that they meet or exceed.

    https://circlek.chemicontrol.dk/Download/DataSheet/-3968999991
    https://circlek.chemicontrol.dk/Download/DataSheet/-3968999994

    But still topaz say that it has increased cetane number.

    .. Probably 55.


  • #136
    Riva10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Riva10


    20 mins of your life wasted. LOL
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYlk9C1o0nk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=244&v=ezjknhwcQXU


  • #137
    Madnash
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Madnash


    I'm using it for the last month, haven't noticed any difference in my car. Don't know why ppl are moaning about the price of it it's only 11cent more per litre. Wow a whopping 7.70 euro per fill more. It costs what it costs. If petrol car owners want more octane then add octane booster when you fill up.


  • #138
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    Madnash wrote: »
    I'm using it for the last month, haven't noticed any difference in my car. Don't know why ppl are moaning about the price of it it's only 11cent more per litre. Wow a whopping 7.70 euro per fill more. It costs what it costs. If petrol car owners want more octane then add octane booster when you fill up.

    11c more... in cork it's only 7c more per litre.

    And I have noticed that the engine (diesel) is quieter with the plus fuel, than regular diesel.

    But if I add my 2-ehn to regular diesel, it seems to have the same effect.

    As for the cleaning properties of the fuel... I don't know.


  • #139
    Madnash
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Madnash


    Interesting to hear you found your engine quieter, mine still sounds like a tractor. But that I don't care to much about nor the fuel saving, it's the effect it has on injectors and hpfp I'm more interested in. This is the heart of the system so if the miles diesel is better for it I'll keep buying it.


  • #140
    jeffk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭jeffk


    The problems Im finding is getting my hands on it, the local one has it but after that its pot luck.

    Doesn't help with re-branding and new signage about 3% etc, then you go in and its not the plus fuel


  • #141
    Madnash
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Madnash


    Yes your correct, not all topaz stations have it. I'm lucky enough I pass by two stations a week that have it. I asked the staff about it and was told that appox 30% of ppl buy the premium fuel.


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  • #142
    dsaint1
    Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭dsaint1


    I'm on my 3rd tank of it (diesel plus) and engine is noticeably quieter and smoother acceleration. Definelty worth the extra just to try.


  • #143
    Madnash
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Madnash


    Interesting... I'm on the second tank and can't say I have noticed any changes yet. I will continue to buy it regardless. I would like to see more stations with premium fuels, not just topaz.


  • #144
    dar83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭dar83


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    Madnash wrote: »
    Interesting... I'm on the second tank and can't say I have noticed any changes yet. I will continue to buy it regardless. I would like to see more stations with premium fuels, not just topaz.

    I think most of us would love to see more stations with premium fuels, but actual properly premium fuels, not the same Octane supplemented with 'additives'.


  • #145
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    jeffk wrote: »
    The problems Im finding is getting my hands on it, the local one has it but after that its pot luck.

    Doesn't help with re-branding and new signage about 3% etc, then you go in and its not the plus fuel

    The stations with the plus fuel will have 4 prices on the monolith.
    You'll know if they have it, before you even pull into the station.

    3266330949_1.jpg


  • #146
    dsaint1
    Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭dsaint1


    You can see where the topaz stations with miles plus are here.....select options below map

    https://www.topaz.ie/General/site-locator.aspx


  • #147
    jeffk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭jeffk


    mikeecho wrote: »
    The stations with the plus fuel will have 4 prices on the monolith.
    You'll know if they have it, before you when pull into the station.

    3266330949_1.jpg

    That's all well and good when you either pre know or can see the monolith.

    If you can't it's a risky game of will I won't I go in and before you know it you've a rear end smash.

    The other morning I said I'll go to the branch on the Dublin side of dunsaughlin, literally on top of it before you know if they have it

    I think only the garages with plus should have been rebranded,then do them as they get plus pumps installed


  • #148
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,487 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    jeffk wrote: »
    That's all well and good when you either pre know or can see the monolith.

    If you can't it's a risky game of will I won't I go in and before you know it you've a rear end smash.

    The other morning I said I'll go to the branch on the Dublin side of dunsaughlin, literally on top of it before you know if they have it

    I think only the garages with plus should have been rebranded,then do them as they get plus pumps installed
    Look here ...

    https://www.topaz.ie/service-station/Site-Locator.aspx

    ... and select Miles Plus in the filters at the bottom. There's only 11 outlets in the whole country if that's to be believed.


  • #149
    jeffk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭jeffk


    Alun wrote: »
    Look here ...

    [url][/url]

    ... and select Miles Plus in the filters at the bottom. There's only 11 outlets in the whole country if that's to be believed.

    Not one in Meath :eek:


  • #150
    dil999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭dil999


    Sounds like snake oil.


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  • #151
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    NO.. Bog standard for me
    dil999 wrote: »
    Sounds like snake oil.

    No... smells like diesel


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