Dublin routes news and general chat

L1011 · 29-08-2017 10:24pm

737max wrote: »

I don't see a stobart plane making the grade on that route. do you? google indicates to me aberdeen is served by an atr. is my information out of date?

What relevance is this at all?

You cannot say with any certainty that FR entering a route will make it unprofitable for another operator - and your clutching at straws won't change that.

john boye · 29-08-2017 10:25pm

Another factor to consider is that EI clearly haven't seen enough demand on the route in the winter months to justify running it, what is there to say the FR one will be a roaring success?

737max · 29-08-2017 10:27pm

The last contributions from certain posters have shown that they will try to argue that black is white in defence of Aer Lingus.

L1011 · 29-08-2017 10:29pm

737max wrote: »

The last contributions from certain posters have shown that they will try to argue that black is white in defence of Aer Lingus.

Namely?

If you're going to make accusations of that kind, kindly give examples

737max · 29-08-2017 10:30pm

I'm willing to travel further than Stuttgart to get a flight and I still haven't used Aer Lingus in Stuttgart. I'm willing to travel to Frankfurt to fly with Aer Lingus but not to Stuttgart because the prices and flight times are unappealing. That route is dead as a dodo and was only attracting 25k passengers a year without Ryanair present. Will more than 25k travel with Aer Lingus now that competition has been added to the route and now that the route is under price-pressure?

737max · 29-08-2017 10:31pm

I'm going to bed. I'm an hour ahead of ye...those of ye inhabiting the same planet as the rest of us.

L1011 · 29-08-2017 10:32pm

737max wrote: »

I'm going to bed. I'm an hour ahead of ye...those of ye inhabiting the same planet as the rest of us.

You were getting close to the warning for the last one - insulting other users in this manner is not acceptable.

L1011 · 29-08-2017 10:42pm

737max wrote: »

IWill more than 25k travel with Aer Lingus now that competition has been added to the route and now that the route is under price-pressure?

Possibly, depending on what their pricing going forward is and what extra demand is induced.

I'm not sure I get what your point is here. If you are still trying to work on the idea that the figures are too low for two carriers you're not bringing anything new to the table here.

john boye · 29-08-2017 10:49pm

Yeah I was confused too but was just going to leave it. On the one hand he said the route was dead as a dodo but then seemed to say it was going to be a winner for FR. Hard to keep up.

Jamie2k9 · 29-08-2017 11:03pm

737max wrote: »

http://www.flughafen-stuttgart.de/media/185203/jahresbericht_2016.pdf
pg41
25017 passengers from stuttgart to Ireland. Aer Lingus can't afford to share that Route with Ryanair.

That's roughly 80-85% of the capacity on offer taken up. Always room for FR just like there is on most other EI routes. It has always done well in summer but the one winter EI operated loads were dire.

Would imagine EI will role out T/A feed on the route next summer partly as a response.

duskyjoe · 30-08-2017 7:42am

L1011, your bias towards the green team is very noticeable. Another yellow card on the way I suppose because you don't like what your read? I say FR will have a field day on the German routes esp MUC.

L1011 · 30-08-2017 7:57am

duskyjoe wrote: »

L1011, your bias towards the green team is very noticeable. Another yellow card on the way I suppose because you don't like what your read? I say FR will have a field day on the German routes esp MUC.

If you're going to claim bias you need to give some examples.

All I have done here is point out illogical, baseless statements made as fact when it is impossible to do so

Discussing moderation on-thread is not allowed anywhere on boards so yes, anyone who continues down that path will get carded

LXFlyer · 30-08-2017 8:08am

737max wrote: »

half day holidays after working for four hours. Flights in the late morning are useless to me. Early morning or Evening are ideal.
Return Aer Lingus flights are over twice as expensive flying to and from the same airports.

Not everyone wants to get up at silly o'clock to travel.

Many people (myself included) prefer the mid-late morning times.

You're assuming we all have precisely the same preferences as you.

Marcusm · 30-08-2017 8:50am

VG31 wrote: »

Is Dallas known for beer though?

Bourbon and branch would be more redolent of Dallas than beer, maybe Ray Krebs drank beer.

Blut2 · 30-08-2017 10:29am

737max seems chronically prone to assuming his(or her) personal views and anecdotal evidence are broader empirical fact, it tends to be a repeating theme.

Stuttgart could either a) see an expansion in passenger numbers that will satisfy both airlines, b) see FR cutting frequency/pulling out c) see EI cutting frequency/pulling out. Or d) both b&c. I don't think anyone, including the airline yield managers who know more than anyone here, is in a position to reliably predict the outcome right now.

Its not really having a "green bias" to question 737max's outrageous definitive claims, the way L1011 has done, I don't think.

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Will Dublin to Paphos be one of Ryanairs longest flights?

Cobalts Dublin to Larnaca is five hours there and five-and-a-half back.

Chania to DUB is Ryanair's current longest to/from Dublin I believe, at 4hrs50m. Paphos to Stansted is 5hrs, so 5hrs30min to DUB is probably a good guess.

I know the old Stockholm to the Canaries route would have beaten that slightly, but I don't think they're running any more. So it might be the new longest FR route. Spending the guts of 6 hours in a Ryanair plane is going to be...grim.

goingnowhere · 30-08-2017 11:02am

German market is interesting

Heavy dependency on travel agents and package holidays which tends to favour Aer Lingus over Ryanair.

Very much doubt Stuttgart can sustain 2 carriers

737max · 30-08-2017 12:25pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

That's roughly 80-85% of the capacity on offer taken up.

You expect their load factor to hold up on the few days in the week that they fly to Stuttgart when another airline is flying through the week? People will continue to fly Stuttgart to Dublin and leave a day earlier or stay a day longer just to suit Aer Lingus? I don't think so.

737max · 30-08-2017 1:11pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Would imagine EI will role out T/A feed on the route next summer partly as a response.

Transatlantic feeds are the sauce on the meat and potatoes of a route which it depends upon for its integrity and continuity.
The meat and potatoes aren't there based on the prices and level of service Aer Lingus are willing to offer.
hoping for the sauce to make the route is viable is not good especially from a city which has high speed rail connections to Munich and Frankfurt.

Locker10a · 30-08-2017 1:13pm

Can we maybe just wait and see?! Tired of this carry on at this stage.... time will tell

Chris_5339762 · 30-08-2017 8:29pm

Blut2 wrote: »

Chania to DUB is Ryanair's current longest to/from Dublin I believe, at 4hrs50m. Paphos to Stansted is 5hrs, so 5hrs30min to DUB is probably a good guess.

I know the old Stockholm to the Canaries route would have beaten that slightly, but I don't think they're running any more. So it might be the new longest FR route. Spending the guts of 6 hours in a Ryanair plane is going to be...grim.

5h30m is the flight time for the Cobalt (Larnaca - Dublin) that I'll be on, so about 5h15m from Paphos - Dublin maybe.

Cobalt will be grim without any IFE or anything. At least with Ryanair I'd know what I'm getting.... no hand luggage cos I'll be filling my bag with food and drink!

Locker10a · 30-08-2017 8:39pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Blut2 wrote: »

Chania to DUB is Ryanair's current longest to/from Dublin I believe, at 4hrs50m. Paphos to Stansted is 5hrs, so 5hrs30min to DUB is probably a good guess.

I know the old Stockholm to the Canaries route would have beaten that slightly, but I don't think they're running any more. So it might be the new longest FR route. Spending the guts of 6 hours in a Ryanair plane is going to be...grim.

5h30m is the flight time for the Cobalt (Larnaca - Dublin) that I'll be on, so about 5h15m from Paphos - Dublin maybe.

Cobalt will be grim without any IFE or anything. At least with Ryanair I'd know what I'm getting.... no hand luggage cos I'll be filling my bag with food and drink!

Netflix offline is your best friend here and a device with good battery!

Ben D Bus · 30-08-2017 8:53pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Netflix offline is your best friend here and a device with good battery!

Or a good old fashioned book?

Locker10a · 30-08-2017 8:57pm

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Netflix offline is your best friend here and a device with good battery!

Or a good old fashioned book?

A what now ? ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚ lol

fasterbetter · 30-08-2017 9:02pm

Hi all,

I was looking at flights to Nice in November December Jan and there don't seem to be any from Are Lingus at all leaving the route to Ryanair for the winter.

This used to be a really popular Are Lingus route though I felt the change in times last year was a step backwards for any leisure traffic (05:55 departure from Dub) and 23:00 from Nice

I sent an enquiry to their unhelpful help-desk and 20 days later got a very non specific reply from which I am none the wiser.

anyone any insight?

thanks

fasterbetter

L1011 · 30-08-2017 9:16pm

I believe Nice has been seasonal for a while with EI.

LXFlyer · 31-08-2017 6:11am

L1011 wrote: »

I believe Nice has been seasonal for a while with EI.

Well, that depends on how you define "a while" and "seasonal"!

Aer Lingus operated for the full winter season in 2015-16 on DUB-NCE, while the route was suspended from Nov 25 to Feb 16 last winter.

This year it appears the route is being suspended for the entire winter season.

Fattes · 31-08-2017 10:42am

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/cathay-pacific-to-operate-new-dublin-hong-kong-service

Official now! Will be nice to have an Asia flight from DUB long over due and even better having A350 in Dub 4 times a week

L1011 · 31-08-2017 10:45am

Direct and all, not what was expected for years (tag via MAN or Hainan tag via EDI were always floated as the first two Asian routes)

goingnowhere · 31-08-2017 10:46am

Being Hong Kong avoids visa hassle.

Until a Visa free or e visa is sorted with China travel isn't straightforward, no doubt Hainan found this out

Cathay of course being part of One World already has long established interline and eticket agreements with Aer Lingus which could drive connecting traffic from UK regional airports, now if only Aer Lingus would rejoin OW it will be great.

nsa0bupkd3948x · 31-08-2017 11:01am

Will be nice to see a A350 a regular at DUB.

31-08-2017 12:02pm

Great news been coming from last 18-24 months now. Certainly puts to bed the runway length issues nonsense :mad: . 1st of two Asian routes to be announced the other long running one should be announced "shortly" I imagine.

Doltanian · 31-08-2017 12:38pm

Excellent news and particularly great news for alot of Irish expats in Eastern Australia and in particular New Zealand where flying from Auckland and Christchurch would often necessitate two stop overs in Sydney and Dubai or Abu Dhabi, wheras now they can fly direct from New Zealand to Hong Kong and onwards to Dublin.

Hong Kong Airport is a really great airport and much ahead of Dubai or Abu Dhabi and its another great alternative to have this flight now to avoid flying the ME3. I'd love to see direct flights to Bangkok and Singapore also.

Hotblack Desiato · 31-08-2017 12:46pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

Interesting to see Munich most in my opinion, I understand this will be their first route to Munich

Not quite! I flew to the old Munich-Riem with Ryanair in 1989 - on a ROMBAC BAC-111

Geuze · 31-08-2017 12:47pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

German market is interesting

Heavy dependency on travel agents and package holidays which tends to favour Aer Lingus over Ryanair.

Very much doubt Stuttgart can sustain 2 carriers

EI to Munich and Stuttgart already

And now FR to Munich 2x and Stuttgart 1x, as well as FR to Memmingen already, about 120km west of Munich.

So this means much more access from DUB to Bavaria, given that Stuttgart is not that far away.

Sexual Chocolate · 31-08-2017 1:03pm

Anyone heard anything more on Aer Lingus to Vegas route ?

Noxegon · 31-08-2017 1:25pm

Certainly puts to bed the runway length issues nonsense.

Not really. The A350 has exceptional short field performance, and I rather suspect they'll be using every inch of available length to get to HKG.

Older generation wide body aircraft definitely cannot get out of Dublin at MTOW.

Excellent news and particularly great news for alot of Irish expats in Eastern Australia and in particular New Zealand where flying from Auckland and Christchurch would often necessitate two stop overs in Sydney and Dubai or Abu Dhabi.

There are non-stop flights from AKL to both DXB and DOH – though at seventeen hours I don't think I'd wish them on anyone!

L1011 · 31-08-2017 1:30pm

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Anyone heard anything more on Aer Lingus to Vegas route ?

No, because it was just media speculation based on a single comment.

JCX BXC · 31-08-2017 1:42pm

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Anyone heard anything more on Aer Lingus to Vegas route ?

Won't be happening for the foreseeable future anyway, earliest next year and I think that's unlikely.

Donegal Storm · 31-08-2017 1:52pm

Is this the long speculated Chinese route or is Hainan to Beijing still in the works as well? Hard to believe there's suddenly enough demand for both routes

flanzer · 31-08-2017 2:24pm

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Is this the long speculated Chinese route or is Hainan to Beijing still in the works as well? Hard to believe there's suddenly enough demand for both routes

Hainan will be announced soon........

Gareth Keenan · 31-08-2017 2:26pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Not quite! I flew to the old Munich-Riem with Ryanair in 1989 - on a ROMBAC BAC-111

likewise, I did in in 1988. I might even have been the last UM that FR dealt with :pac:

LXFlyer · 31-08-2017 2:52pm

Dublin - Munich was one of two routes that the Minister for Transport (I think it was Seamus Brennan) ordered that Aer Lingus cease operating in favour of Ryanair back then (the other was Dublin-Liverpool).

EICVD · 31-08-2017 3:07pm

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Anyone heard anything more on Aer Lingus to Vegas route ?

I think this will be boards equivalent of the 757 replacement threads on that other aviation website......

goingnowhere · 31-08-2017 3:33pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Not quite! I flew to the old Munich-Riem with Ryanair in 1989 - on a ROMBAC BAC-111

I can do better, landed and departed MUC on a Ryanair 737-200 in 1999, and even got fed...

Yes a charter but still Ryanair, would have been better for me to land in Innsbruck but thats scary place to put a big jet

Now looking at EI/LH and FR into MUC, this could be interesting

snotboogie · 31-08-2017 3:35pm

L1011 wrote: »

Direct and all, not what was expected for years (tag via MAN or Hainan tag via EDI were always floated as the first two Asian routes)

I never understood the hype around this. KLM, Lufthanse, Emirates, Ethiad and BA offer flights from Dublin to essentially every major Asian airport including Beijing via London, Amsterdam, The UAE and Frankfurt. Hainan via Manchester would just be another option, not anything different.
Major win for Dublin on the Cathay Pacific route, great airline and it really opens up a whole new world to Ireland. Hopefully this will be a success and we can see direct routes to Bangkok, Singapore and Beijing. I think Dublin can support 4 Far East routes. Could be a great growth area.

L1011 · 31-08-2017 3:51pm

snotboogie wrote: »

I never understood the hype around this. KLM, Lufthanse, Emirates, Ethiad and BA offer flights from Dublin to essentially every major Asian airport including Beijing via London, Amsterdam, The UAE and Frankfurt. Hainan via Manchester would just be another option, not anything different.

Same plane, guaranteed transfer if there's delays etc. Its an improvement over connections but yes, its different to a full flight.

JCX BXC · 31-08-2017 4:03pm

I see Aer Lingus has announced a new saver fare without a checkin bag, will this increase numbers through DUB?

L1011 · 31-08-2017 4:05pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

I see Aer Lingus has announced a new saver fare without a checkin bag, will this increase numbers through DUB?

Minorly I'd imagine. Its mainly to compete against domestic ultra price sensitive O&D that's going to Norwegian. It may bring some connections cheaper.

Donegal Storm · 31-08-2017 7:42pm

flanzer wrote: »

Hainan will be announced soon........

The same was being said this time last year and it's still seemingly no closer!

In other news, I see Finnair are slightly increasing Helsinki to 10x weekly next year, flew with them Bangkok to DUB a few month back and found them very good, far cheaper than the Middle Easterns and while not quite as good an experience it was perfectly good for the price

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-welcomes-finnair-expansion-next-summer

Polar101 · 31-08-2017 10:14pm

When do the Aer Lingus 'seasonal' flights stop in the autumn? Can't find this info on their website.

Dublin routes news and general chat

Comments