Dublin routes news and general chat

JCX BXC

Anyway it seems that Munich (MUC) is a new route for the winter season with Ryanair, twice daily from the 29th of October.

john boye

737max wrote: »

half day holidays after working for four hours. Flights in the late morning are useless to me. Early morning or Evening are ideal.
Return Aer Lingus flights are over twice as expensive flying to and from the same airports.

Think you might be paying a little too much emphasis on the price factor, cost isn't king for everybody. Anyway I realized after I posted that EI only operate it seasonally so it'll be largely irrelevant for the winter months.

737max

Are the people who aren't price sensitive able to subsidize those who are or vice versa.
I predict Aer Lingus dropping this route.
Can they downsize on the route to make the figures work - no they can't as a regional plane wouldn't work on that long route. Have they an A319? ei-ept is gone according to links on google. If they can swallow their pride they should drop the route and use the plane somewhere where profit can be made(where that is? I don't know)

JCX BXC

Your hatred for Aer Lingus wouldn't be clouding your judgement would it?

L1011

737max wrote: »

how many 737max or a320neo have been delivered so far? 787 is an expensive bird.

Neither is *that* revolutionary. The 757 has existed for a long, long time already.

737max wrote: »

Are the people who aren't price sensitive able to subsidize those who are or vice versa.
I predict Aer Lingus dropping this route.
Can they downsize on the route to make the figures work - no they can't as a regional plane wouldn't work on that long route. Have they an A319? ei-ept is gone according to links on google. If they can swallow their pride they should drop the route and use the plane somewhere where profit can be made(where that is? I don't know)

You're rather jumping to conclusions that the route is going to become unprofitable here. There's nothing to base that on.

737max

JCX BXC wrote: »

Your hatred for Aer Lingus wouldn't be clouding your judgement would it?

My flight on friday will be on Aer Lingus and for most of the rest of the year except for xmas when it is lufthansa.

737max

L1011 wrote: »

Neither is *that* revolutionary. The 757 has existed for a long, long time already.



You're rather jumping to conclusions that the route is going to become unprofitable here. There's nothing to base that on.

fares are less than 50% of the aer lingus price and they serve the airport more days in the week going to the same destination.
edit: what are you referring to? doesn't matter the comment stands if you are talking about ireland - US or dublin - stuttgart

L1011

737max wrote: »

fares are less than 50% of the aer lingus price and they serve the airport more days in the week going to the same destination.

And?

Their timings may work for you but they're crap for anyone going on business. Established FFP bases are extremely important on business routes

You have nothing to suggest the route is going to be unprofitable so all the "swallow their pride" stuff is premature and frankly a bit childish.

scudzilla

Delighted Ryanair announced Paphos (Cyprus), always wanted to go

I really don't know why they've never bothered with the Greek Islands from Dub, just needs 1 plane for 4 days a week, they could get in 2 return flights per day and service 3 or 4 islands, at the moment we're at the mercy of the rip off prices of Falcon/Thomson

737max

Do you think that Aer Lingus current timings and weekly frequency on that route are business friendly?

I make a point and back it up that an Aer Lingus route is now going to be unprofitable and I find myself one step away from being accused of trolling and a ban stick dangling over me....not yet brandished but it is there.

VG31

scudzilla wrote: »

Delighted Ryanair announced Paphos (Cyprus), always wanted to go

I really don't know why they've never bothered with the Greek Islands from Dub, just needs 1 plane for 4 days a week, they could get in 2 return flights per day and service 3 or 4 islands, at the moment we're at the mercy of the rip off prices of Falcon/Thomson

Cobalt fly to Larnaca. You can also fly with Aegean to the Greek islands via Athens. Both their prices can be very reasonable.

L1011

737max wrote: »

I make a point and back it up that an Aer Lingus route is now going to be unprofitable and I find myself one step away from being accused of trolling and a ban stick dangling over me....not yet brandished but it is there.

You made a statement as if it is fact, without it being fact and without much evidence to support it as a good guess even.

The two airlines compete (with third airlines also at times) on many routes and will continue to do so.

You were not accused of trolling by me.

Chris_5339762

Will Dublin to Paphos be one of Ryanairs longest flights?

Cobalts Dublin to Larnaca is five hours there and five-and-a-half back.

737max

http://www.flughafen-stuttgart.de/media/185203/jahresbericht_2016.pdf
pg41
25017 passengers from stuttgart to Ireland. Aer Lingus can't afford to share that Route with Ryanair.

L1011

737max wrote: »

http://www.flughafen-stuttgart.de/media/185203/jahresbericht_2016.pdf
pg41
25017 passengers from stuttgart to Ireland. Aer Lingus can't afford to share that Route with Ryanair.

1: Competition induces demand
2: Ryanair may be the one to leave the route if it turns out to be unsustainable to have two carriers.

Locker10a

737max wrote: »

http://www.flughafen-stuttgart.de/media/185203/jahresbericht_2016.pdf
pg41
25017 passengers from stuttgart to Ireland. Aer Lingus can't afford to share that Route with Ryanair.

This remains to be seen. Lower fares with both airlines may well open up the market. It may not.

737max

@l1011 In view of our knowledge of the two carriers your comment is farcical.

I fly from Frankfurt because although more expensive the times and frequency are better than ryanair from Hahn. Stuttgart doesn't even have better times or frequency.

Noxegon

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Will Dublin to Paphos be one of Ryanairs longest flights?

As I recall Finland to Tenerife was the previous record holder in that regard.

L1011

737max wrote: »

In view of our knowledge of the two carriers your comment is farcical.

Other than for the fact that it has happened before? DUB-ABZ (FR leave after EI enter) comes to mind immediately and it's not the only time. There has also been quite a number of cases of FR ramping frequency and cutting fares to the bone when EI enter a route only to not unseat them and return to the old frequency or below.

You do not have any evidence to back up your statement of (forward looking) "fact" or realistically support a strong guess that it would happen.

737max

I don't see a stobart plane making the grade on that route. do you? google indicates to me aberdeen is served by an atr. is my information out of date?

L1011

737max wrote: »

I don't see a stobart plane making the grade on that route. do you? google indicates to me aberdeen is served by an atr. is my information out of date?

What relevance is this at all?

You cannot say with any certainty that FR entering a route will make it unprofitable for another operator - and your clutching at straws won't change that.

john boye

Another factor to consider is that EI clearly haven't seen enough demand on the route in the winter months to justify running it, what is there to say the FR one will be a roaring success?

737max

The last contributions from certain posters have shown that they will try to argue that black is white in defence of Aer Lingus.

L1011

737max wrote: »

The last contributions from certain posters have shown that they will try to argue that black is white in defence of Aer Lingus.

Namely?

If you're going to make accusations of that kind, kindly give examples

737max

I'm willing to travel further than Stuttgart to get a flight and I still haven't used Aer Lingus in Stuttgart. I'm willing to travel to Frankfurt to fly with Aer Lingus but not to Stuttgart because the prices and flight times are unappealing. That route is dead as a dodo and was only attracting 25k passengers a year without Ryanair present. Will more than 25k travel with Aer Lingus now that competition has been added to the route and now that the route is under price-pressure?

737max

I'm going to bed. I'm an hour ahead of ye...those of ye inhabiting the same planet as the rest of us.

L1011

737max wrote: »

I'm going to bed. I'm an hour ahead of ye...those of ye inhabiting the same planet as the rest of us.

You were getting close to the warning for the last one - insulting other users in this manner is not acceptable.

L1011

737max wrote: »

IWill more than 25k travel with Aer Lingus now that competition has been added to the route and now that the route is under price-pressure?

Possibly, depending on what their pricing going forward is and what extra demand is induced.

I'm not sure I get what your point is here. If you are still trying to work on the idea that the figures are too low for two carriers you're not bringing anything new to the table here.

john boye

Yeah I was confused too but was just going to leave it. On the one hand he said the route was dead as a dodo but then seemed to say it was going to be a winner for FR. Hard to keep up.

Jamie2k9

737max wrote: »

http://www.flughafen-stuttgart.de/media/185203/jahresbericht_2016.pdf
pg41
25017 passengers from stuttgart to Ireland. Aer Lingus can't afford to share that Route with Ryanair.

That's roughly 80-85% of the capacity on offer taken up. Always room for FR just like there is on most other EI routes. It has always done well in summer but the one winter EI operated loads were dire.

Would imagine EI will role out T/A feed on the route next summer partly as a response.