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WRH proposed downgrade - protest on Saturday the 23rd of Feb

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Premier wrote: »
    For such a hot topic, there not much feedback on the kilkenny forum or wexford forum regarding this serious matter,


    Agreed, i would hope for support from those in south KK. However, boards KK gets id say about 1 tenth of the traffic Waterford City does so mightnt possibly be best representation of South KK's views, I hope not anyway.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Paudie Coffey, Fine Gael TD for Waterford, confirmed on DeiseAM this morning he would consider his position if the hospital is downgraded and he stated he wont stand over such. He stated that he wanted to be sure that the protest march and campaigners confirm and state that its for a protest against the downgrading of the hospital, and if so, he will be attending.

    That's two members of Fine Gael in Waterford who have put their neck out in the line in addition to working tooth and nail for Waterford. I don't think anybody can now suggest he isn't working for Waterford and putting the City first ahead of party politics.

    A Wexford FG Senator, Michael D'Arcy, reaffirmed his statement or "personal view" and not a "once off" on DeiseAM that he made to the Seanad that the hospital was 'worst performing hospital in the country and that it is broken'. He is basing this on his own personal experience. Paudie Coffey rebuffed this, asked him to withdraw the statement and said that a KPMG report stated that it was the complete opposite. This was refused, stating it was his personal view and Paudie isn't in a position to ask him to do so.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Deise Tom


    Sully wrote: »
    I'm not sure I follow what your saying? Billy Mc had a copy of the report?


    James Reilly and Enda Kenny have seen the report. I cant prove it but I am 100% sure they have seen it. When Maurice Cummins was on WLR the other morning he had a copy of the report with him and Billy said he saw it. What he did not make fully clear is if he looked through it or not, or whether he meant he saw the report on the person of Maurice Cummins. I know Maurice Cummins is leader of the Seanad, but if he had a copy of it, I am 100% sure that the Teaoiseach and senior ministers have seen it before any TD or senator got their hands on it. Maybe I am mistaken and it was some other report Maurice Cummins had, but I dont think I am wrong. I am sure it was the 'Higgins Report' or what ever it is called.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Deise Tom wrote: »
    James Reilly and Enda Kenny have seen the report. I cant prove it but I am 100% sure they have seen it. When Maurice Cummins was on WLR the other morning he had a copy of the report with him and Billy said he saw it. What he did not make fully clear is if he looked through it or not, or whether he meant he saw the report on the person of Maurice Cummins. I know Maurice Cummins is leader of the Seanad, but if he had a copy of it, I am 100% sure that the Teaoiseach and senior ministers have seen it before any TD or senator got their hands on it. Maybe I am mistaken and it was some other report Maurice Cummins had, but I dont think I am wrong. I am sure it was the 'Higgins Report' or what ever it is called.

    News to me. Anything I have read or heard stated the report has not yet been completed and given to James Reilly or the Cabinet. I read James Reilly will receive it next week. This is the message coming out of WRH also.

    I stand correct if I am mistaken.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Deise Tom


    Sully wrote: »
    Paudie Coffey, Fine Gael TD for Waterford, confirmed on DeiseAM this morning he would consider his position if the hospital is downgraded and he stated he wont stand over such.

    Did not hear much of today's show. If he said as you say, he should get a clap on the back. Ciara Conway yesterday refused point blank to say she would consider her position, saying that she could do much better work from inside the Party Whips than out side it. I would not expect anything different to be honest. I know I am not using her exact words. If she had Waterford's interest at heart, she would follow Maurice Cummins and now Paudie Coffey as you say. Anyone know John Deasy's future intents on the matter. While its good to year them say they will consider their future, maybe it might put more pressure on the governement if they said they would resign from the party and for the likes of Tom Hayes in South Tipp was to do the same. The Wexford consultants it is reported want to align themself with Waterford and maybe their TD's should do much the same but I cant see Howlin doing it. If all the Fine Gael and Labour TD's in Waterford, South Tipp and Wexford were to resign it would not mean that the Governement would minority one, it would mean that they would have to sit up and take some notice of what is been said.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Deise Tom


    Sully wrote: »
    News to me. Anything I have read or heard stated the report has not yet been completed and given to James Reilly or the Cabinet. I read James Reilly will receive it next week. This is the message coming out of WRH also.

    I stand correct if I am mistaken.

    If you can hear a pod cast of Tuesday's show. He was one of the first people on. Maybe I am mistaken and it was a different report that was mentioned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Dunmoreroader


    great, we're to be saved from a Cork inspired carve-up of the southeast by Fianna Fail's health spokesman....who's from.......Cork:
    http://www.thejournal.ie/health-minister-urged-to-come-clean-over-secret-plan-for-more-cuts-662789-Nov2012/

    Like he's going to bust a gut for WRH against CUH.


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭Silverado


    Sully wrote: »
    A Wexford FG Senator, Michael D'Arcy, reaffirmed his statement or "personal view" and not a "once off" on DeiseAM that he made to the Seanad that the hospital was 'worst performing hospital in the country and that it is broken'. He is basing this on his own personal experience. Paudie Coffey rebuffed this, asked him to withdraw the statement and said that a KPMG report stated that it was the complete opposite. This was refused, stating it was his personal view and Paudie isn't in a position to ask him to do so.
    This is an appalling statement for a Senator to make regarding his Regional Hospital. He needs to be challenged for proof and in its absence made to withdraw it. This needs to be done by all his Government colleagues from the South East and not just by Paudie Coffey. He needs to shown up for the idiot he really is to make such an outlandish and unfounded statement.

    If this is what Wexford have representing them in the Senate then I pity them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭comeraghs


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0226/health.html


    send this to Mr Darcy above in Wexford.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Deise Tom wrote: »
    Is that the same report that Billy McCarthy said on Deise AM that he saw with Maurice Cummins. If it is, then that is a very stupid statement from you. Its nearly as stupid as the one made by a FF minister in the last government, might have been Brian Cowan, who claimed he had not read some report and was making coments on it.
    Sully wrote: »
    News to me. Anything I have read or heard stated the report has not yet been completed and given to James Reilly or the Cabinet. I read James Reilly will receive it next week. This is the message coming out of WRH also.

    I stand correct if I am mistaken.
    Deise Tom wrote: »
    If you can hear a pod cast of Tuesday's show. He was one of the first people on. Maybe I am mistaken and it was a different report that was mentioned.

    I have received clarification from Senator Maurice Cummins on this. I can confirm and reiterate that the report will not be ready until the 14th What Maurice has is a leaked confidential internal HSE document which recommended a retention of South East Hospital Network. HSE South encompasses Cork, Kerry & the South East Region.

    My personal continued understanding is that the report is being drawn up, will be handed next week to Minister Reilly who was half suspected of going to cabinet before Christmas but the national media suggests that wont be the case. This is all technically 'speculation' of course as we are relying on leaked information. But you can bet your bottom dollar that most Fine Gael Oireachtas Members are working their backside off for Waterford and as I stated - two in Waterford have stated clearly that they would consider their position and they are completely against any such downgrading of WRH.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    Mods, any chance the thread title can be changed to something like, "WRH proposed downgrade - protest on Saturday, 8th Nov at 12pm". Or maybe a separate, stickied (but locked) thread just with details of the march. ???


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Mods, any chance the thread title can be changed to something like, "WRH proposed downgrade - protest on Saturday, 8th Nov at 12pm". Or maybe a separate, stickied (but locked) thread just with details of the march. ???

    Ill modify the title and the OP, but stickied threads get overlooked it appears. It has its own thread but its locked to avoid discussion of the hospital in two places.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Jason Todd


    Poor aul' <snip> from This Is Up is getting an awful time of it on Facebook tonight. She's expressing a dislike for how the protesting is being done and is of the view it's promoting a negative impression of Waterford.

    I disagree with her completely, and I don't know why she used her Work page to go against the grain but she is getting an awful lot of abuse, both personal nd professional which is totally uncalled for.

    Join in the 'debate' <snip - dead link removed>


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Jason Todd wrote: »
    Poor aul' <snip> from This Is Up is getting an awful time of it on Facebook tonight. She's expressing a dislike for how the protesting is being done and is of the view it's promoting a negative impression of Waterford.

    I disagree with her completely, and I don't know why she used her Work page to go against the grain but she is getting an awful lot of abuse, both personal nd professional which is totally uncalled for.

    Join in the 'debate' <snip - dead link removed>[/URL]

    She has a point. The campaign needs to focus on one thing and one thing only. Plus the facts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Jason Todd wrote: »
    Poor aul' <snip> from This Is Up is getting an awful time of it on Facebook tonight. She's expressing a dislike for how the protesting is being done and is of the view it's promoting a negative impression of Waterford.

    I disagree with her completely, and I don't know why she used her Work page to go against the grain but she is getting an awful lot of abuse, both personal nd professional which is totally uncalled for.

    Join in the 'debate' <snip - dead link removed>

    I could not disagree with Karen Frampton more. The mood is not low?? Seriously?? The mood is lower than a snakes stomach at the moment.

    This idea that we shouldn't do anything 'negative' annoys me. We have been the good boys and girls for too long and where has it gotten us? Our hospital could be downgraded in the near future so we should just accept it because if we don't we will be perceived as 'negative'...give me a break!

    I'll be there saturday. It will be the first public protest I have ever taken part in but this is too serious an issue to ignore.


  • Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭.Henry Sellers.


    Hate to be saying it but after seeing a few posters in peoples front windows supporting the march on Saturday you might aswell be putting up a sign saying you won't be in your house on Saturday lunchtime as you'll be at the march.I'm sure there's going to be Scum going around scouting for houses that'll be empty saturday. I'll be at the march myself with my family which makes it even more annoying that if there is fellas robbing houses at Saturday lunchtime they'll be the first to moan if they or their family have to go down to Cork! Just something to consider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Bards


    The following article does not portray the FG S.E TD's in the best of light - just more of the same infighting that has dogged the Sout East for years to the benefiit of the Likes of Cork & Dublin to divide and Conquer

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fg-members-clash-as-hospital-branded-worst-in-country-213428.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Bards wrote: »
    The following article does not portray the FG S.E TD's in the best of light - just more of the same infighting that has dogged the Sout East for years to the benefiit of the Likes of Cork & Dublin to divide and Conquer

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fg-members-clash-as-hospital-branded-worst-in-country-213428.html


    that chap in wexford is clearly a moron of the highest order, basing his talk on his one and single experience of WRH probably ignoring the fact that WRH is only audited hospital to get green light on HSE tests. I also wonder how much experince he has of all the other hospitals in the country since he seems to be saying with confidence that WRH is the worst, so he must have used all the other hospitals too if he is using his opinion as his speech foundation....another quality public rep in Ireland


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    At least it shows people that at least one of our TDs is actually fighting for WRH and Waterford.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭200motels


    I'll be at the march on Saturday and hopefully everyone who can make it should do, we need to make a stand to the neo cons of this rotten country that enough is enough. We the people of Waterford will not stand down on this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    "A person in Co Wexford can go to St Vincent’s in an ambulance in little over an hour."

    How on gods earth can he defend moving the services to Dublin and then make that statement. An hour when its life and death is the difference between life and death!


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭Silverado


    O Riain wrote: »
    "A person in Co Wexford can go to St Vincent’s in an ambulance in little over an hour."

    How on gods earth can he defend moving the services to Dublin and then make that statement. An hour when its life and death is the difference between life and death!

    I assume that Sen. d'Arcy is basing this statement on using helicopter transport. He's got it all carefully calculated you know, regardless of the patient's location in Wexford.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Deisetrek


    Sully wrote: »
    At least it shows people that at least one of our TDs is actually fighting for WRH and Waterford.

    Yeah.... great took long enough . Along with the other "representatives" we have in the Dail it's only when they realised the intensity of feeling this issue has generated in their constituencies that they've come out on the airwaves and print media to justify their positions . Let them stand up in the Dail and state categorically their utter opposition to this move a la Matty Mc Grath who's not even representing our constituency . Let them stop with the optics and get up and fight for the people they represent.


  • Site Banned Posts: 224 ✭✭SubBusted


    Max Powers wrote: »
    The protest is on Saturday, 8th Nov at 12pm.
    In 2008?


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Swissarmyknife


    Hopefully there will be a strong turnout for this,the weather forecast is good for tomorrow also.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    O Riain wrote: »
    "A person in Co Wexford can go to St Vincent’s in an ambulance in little over an hour."

    How on gods earth can he defend moving the services to Dublin and then make that statement. An hour when its life and death is the difference between life and death!

    If he was transported in the Space Shuttle........


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Sully wrote: »
    At least it shows people that at least one of our TDs is actually fighting for WRH and Waterford.

    Fighting for WRH, BUT not Waterford. He has specifically stated that he would not attend the protest if it were to be about the city status. FFS.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Sully wrote: »
    That's two members of Fine Gael in Waterford who have put their neck out in the line in addition to working tooth and nail for Waterford. I don't think anybody can now suggest he isn't working for Waterford and putting the City first ahead of party politics.

    FFS Sully, will you ever get a grip? 'Sticking his neck out". That's what he was fcuking elected to do. What do you want for him - a medal? He only did it because the pressure came on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Sully wrote: »
    She has a point. The campaign needs to focus on one thing and one thing only. Plus the facts.

    Rubbish. She offended more people than defended her. Completely out of touch with the situation (like others I could mention) and then was "taken aback" by the response.

    Facts are in short supply from this Government, Their TDs and those who - inexplicably - support and defend their actions and the subsequent implications for Waterford city.

    A party put before a city. Sweet Jesus.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 224 ✭✭SubBusted


    How can there be a bleedin' protest march on Saturday 8th November this year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    SubBusted wrote: »
    How can there be a bleedin' protest march on Saturday 8th November this year?

    Possibly on the 10th :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    SubBusted wrote: »
    How can there be a bleedin' protest march on Saturday 8th November this year?
    ha, that was my mistake, i asked the mods to change the thread title and got the date wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭MoodRacer


    7upfree wrote: »
    FFS Sully, will you ever get a grip? 'Sticking his neck out". That's what he was fcuking elected to do. What do you want for him - a medal? He only did it because the pressure came on.

    Correct. He didn`t exactly volunteer the info, Billy Mc had to put him under a little bit of pressure before he said it and you may be sure that only for Billy asked him, he would definately not have said it.

    Why don`t all sitting FG and Lab councillors, City & County, come together in support of WRH and say they will also resign of WRH is downgraded?

    Is anybody here in a position to ask any of them?

    Surely that would send a strong message to Reilly,Kenny and Co and also back up Paudie......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Bards wrote: »
    The following article does not portray the FG S.E TD's in the best of light - just more of the same infighting that has dogged the Sout East for years to the benefiit of the Likes of Cork & Dublin to divide and Conquer

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fg-members-clash-as-hospital-branded-worst-in-country-213428.html

    One of the best cases for getting rid of the Senate I've seen yet, that guy is a fool. WRH actually got top marks in the country for a hospital its size, so far from the worst, its actually the best, despite being underfunded.

    The southeast needs its politicians of all persuasions to pull together and not have gobdaws like this fella stabbing everyone else in the back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Black Suir


    O Riain wrote: »
    "A person in Co Wexford can go to St Vincent’s in an ambulance in little over an hour."

    How on gods earth can he defend moving the services to Dublin and then make that statement. An hour when its life and death is the difference between life and death!


    A person in say Ballyduff Upper, Tallow or Clashmore can get to Cork much quicker than they can get to WRH. We should be arranging our Hospitals so that you attend the one the is closest to you that offers the service you need and not what county you live in.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Black Suir


    MoodRacer wrote: »
    Correct. He didn`t exactly volunteer the info, Billy Mc had to put him under a little bit of pressure before he said it and you may be sure that only for Billy asked him, he would definately not have said it.

    Why don`t all sitting FG and Lab councillors, City & County, come together in support of WRH and say they will also resign of WRH is downgraded?

    Is anybody here in a position to ask any of them?

    Surely that would send a strong message to Reilly,Kenny and Co and also back up Paudie......


    Because they are no Good. When two of their members in Tramore took a stance earlier this year, the rest of them ganged up on them like wolves would on sheep. A lot of them had a lot to say about Bertie Ahearne and his dig outs, but I cant remember many of them apart maybe from the two in Tramore that had anything to say about Fred Forsey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Black Suir


    One of the best cases for getting rid of the Senate I've seen yet, that guy is a fool. WRH actually got top marks in the country for a hospital its size, so far from the worst, its actually the best, despite being underfunded.

    The southeast needs its politicians of all persuasions to pull together and not have gobdaws like this fella stabbing everyone else in the back.


    What will getting rid of the Senate solve. Does not most countries have two houses. What we should be doing is getting rid of the numbers we are electing, locally and nationally and making TD's, Senators and Councillors work for a lot less than they are right now. And get rid of the expenses they get. Up to 1999 (I think), councillors worked for nothing and we are better off. Since then we have had numerous I dont know what getting involved in the game for the money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    MoodRacer wrote: »
    Correct. He didn`t exactly volunteer the info, Billy Mc had to put him under a little bit of pressure before he said it and you may be sure that only for Billy asked him, he would definately not have said it.

    Why don`t all sitting FG and Lab councillors, City & County, come together in support of WRH and say they will also resign of WRH is downgraded?

    Is anybody here in a position to ask any of them?

    Surely that would send a strong message to Reilly,Kenny and Co and also back up Paudie......

    Because they''re a bunch of sheep putting a political party before Waterford and the South East. What you have posted is what should happen. They haven't a ball between them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Black Suir wrote: »
    What will getting rid of the Senate solve. Does not most countries have two houses. What we should be doing is getting rid of the numbers we are electing, locally and nationally and making TD's, Senators and Councillors work for a lot less than they are right now. And get rid of the expenses they get. Up to 1999 (I think), councillors worked for nothing and we are better off. Since then we have had numerous I dont know what getting involved in the game for the money.

    The Senate is a talking shop for failed TDs and party stooges on all sides. It serves no purpose and costs a small fortune. It is dead. Dump it. I would agree with your comments about Councillors.

    We need to revert to a voluntary citizen's council. Regarding numbers, if you applied the UK ratio per MP (132,000) in Ireland we would have 34 TDs approx.

    One TD is more than enough for a County the size of Waterford. And as for the proposed "merger" (downgrade of Waterford City) it appears that two administrative tiers will remain in Waterford City and Dungarvan. Waterford City will only lose two Councillors - with the Council meetings alternated between both.

    If anything it would cost MORE to run.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭tankbarry


    Huge crowd


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Jason Todd


    People are saying a crowd of 15000 turned up. It did seem like a lot down there. Great turnout if true.


  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭twistables


    Huge crowd and fair play to everyone who turned out, hopefully it's on wards and up wards from here,
    A marker had being set,now to keep it up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭south




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    Extremely poor news coverage of this protest. Typical of the attitude towards the south east.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Dicky Pride


    O Riain wrote: »
    Extremely poor news coverage of this protest. Typical of the attitude towards the south east.

    The fcuking thing is barely over!!! Will you give them a chance to edit footage etc. What are you expecting? A News Flash during the coronation street omnibus?! FFS We need to kick out this "always the victim" mentality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    The fcuking thing is barely over!!! Will you give them a chance to edit footage etc. What are you expecting? A News Flash during the coronation street omnibus?! FFS We need to kick out this "always the victim" mentality.

    How long do you think it takes to edit footage in this day and age? Head back to the bunker half way across the country is it and spend the next two weeks editing footage? If this was Galway and I hate to keep sayin it they would have had a live spot during the one o clock news and you know it. Its a massive protest on an extremely important issue and all we have so far is one picture and a paragraph on rte with not one newspaper having any info on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    On the independent site now. Almost exact same as rte one with an extra paragraph
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/thousands-rally-in-waterford-against-downgrading-of-regional-hospital-3290438.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭.Henry Sellers.


    Great turnout today,here is a few pics for anyone who couldn't make it, they don't do the march justice because the place was packed!
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Dicky Pride


    O Riain wrote: »
    How long do you think it takes to edit footage in this day and age? Head back to the bunker half way across the country is it and spend the next two weeks editing footage? If this was Galway and I hate to keep sayin it they would have had a live spot during the one o clock news and you know it. Its a massive protest on an extremely important issue and all we have so far is one picture and a paragraph on rte with not one newspaper having any info on it.

    And I hate to say it but that was down to the rushed organisation of the protest. Galway would have hired PR gurus to make sure the place was flooded with media. It's this kind of attitude, this sense of entitlement, that, partly, has us where we are. We need to do these things ourselves or never expect them to get done.

    Today was a fine example of that, we all stood up and took action, not waiting for someone else to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    The media were there. I saw RTE reporter Damien Tiernan with cameraman on the Quay. This will be on RTE News later.


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