Garda shoots dog in Longford

tuxy · 05-12-2018 12:57pm

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/armed-officers-protect-gardas-house-over-threats-after-man-shot-in-leg-37596535.html

Yes slash hooks now mentioned in the papers. Slash hooks are tradition for funeral or weddings.
I remember seeing a garda as a child who had been called to a travellers wedding, his face was all cut up

ohnonotgmail · 05-12-2018 12:59pm

josip wrote: »

OT but why is some ammunition/guns referred to in metric and some in imperial?

Mostly from where they were developed. the 9mm was invented in germany so they used metric. american and british calibers tend to be imperial.

seamus · 05-12-2018 12:59pm

josip wrote: »

OT but why is some ammunition/guns referred to in metric and some in imperial?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber#Metric_and_US_customary

Sounds like it all depends on whether the gun is manufactured in 'Murica or not.

tuxy · 05-12-2018 1:00pm

josip wrote: »

OT but why is some ammunition/guns referred to in metric and some in imperial?

imperial is the old system. NATO have taken it on to standardise every round they use in metric to help NATO countries collaborate on missions.
Many new rounds will be designed with metric(especially ones made in europe) and sometimes the description of the round was originally imperial but NATO changed the name to metric.
If a round is in imperial only then NATO probably does not use it.

Just for example .223 is NATO 5.56mm x 45mm

blanch152 · 05-12-2018 1:00pm

Gravelly wrote: »

I believe some criminals in the UK are known to cut the vocal cords of dogs protecting their homes so that an intruder won't hear the dog until it's too late.
Not necessarily saying this is the case here, but it's a possibility I suppose.

Wouldn't be surprised. The Traveller record on animal cruelty is horrific.

seamus · 05-12-2018 1:04pm

The dog not barking is not exactly a smoking gun anyway (pun intended). My dog basically never barks, wouldn't bark in this scenario.

And if you beat or punish a dog when it does bark, then it will very quickly learn to stop barking completely.

ohnonotgmail · 05-12-2018 1:05pm

tuxy wrote: »

imperial is the old system. NATO have taken it on to standardise every round they use in metric to help NATO countries collaborate on missions.
Many new rounds will be designed with metric(especially ones made in europe) and sometimes the description of the round was originally imperial but NATO changed the name to metric.
If a round is in imperial only then NATO probably does not use it.

Just for example .223 is NATO 5.56mm x 45mm

not true. the 9mm round was developed at the turn of the 20th century. It was always 9mm. Anything developed in europe with the exception of britain was always metric. and .223 is not the same as 5.56. you can fire .223 in a weapon developed for 5.56 but the reverse is not true.

downthemiddle · 05-12-2018 1:09pm

BBFAN wrote: »

He gets the crap battered out of him like the rest of us do when we call 999?

I always knew those first responders were dangerous.

BattleCorp · 05-12-2018 1:16pm

Originally Posted by BattleCorp
And what then, watch yer man in the truck getting battered to death?
Fcuk that.

TCM wrote: »

Don't be s hysterical.

Do you think the traveller just wanted to give the van driver a cuddle?

Sundew · 05-12-2018 1:21pm

Thankfully the dog didn’t shoot the Garda!

tuxy · 05-12-2018 1:22pm

Sundew wrote: »

Thankfully the dog didn’t shoot the Garda!

I don't get the joke........

Wheres Me Jumper? · 05-12-2018 1:23pm

josip wrote: »

There'll be dog saliva on the tie.

Unless the full, unedited camera footage is made available it will be inadmissible and worthless.

this is beginning to sound like that drama featuring Brendan Gleeson called Mr. Mercedes.

RTE will probably run one called Mr. HiAce.

Doctors room ghost · 05-12-2018 1:24pm

#buymorebulletsfortom.

Feisar · 05-12-2018 1:29pm

tuxy wrote: »

FMJ for 9mm sig if this article is correct

https://www.thejournal.ie/ammunition-garda-tender-4144315-Jul2018/

I thought it was best practice to you hollows as there is less chance of overpenetration and injuring something other than the intended target?

tuxy · 05-12-2018 1:29pm

I said there were two stories going around on whatsapp last night but the thread was locked before I could post the story that non travellers were circulating. So just in case anyone is interested here it is and of course I can't back it up and it may not be the full truth as it's still just rumours on social media.

Feisar · 05-12-2018 1:31pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not true. the 9mm round was developed at the turn of the 20th century. It was always 9mm. Anything developed in europe with the exception of britain was always metric. and .223 is not the same as 5.56. you can fire .223 in a weapon developed for 5.56 but the reverse is not true.

Beat me to it, SAMMI and all that, stole my one chance to sound knowledgeable!

tuxy · 05-12-2018 1:32pm

Feisar wrote: »

I thought it was best practice to you hollows as there is less chance of overpenetration and injuring something other than the intended target?

Well there are different ideas on it. While it's true that FMJ can be dangerous because it's better at penetrating. Hollow points are often considered excessive as the person you are trying to incapacitate has a much lower chance of survival.

Police are not really meant to shoot to kill but to shot to incapacitate the threat which sometimes will require killing the target but should be avoided if possible.

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 1:34pm

Feisar wrote:

I thought it was best practice to you hollows as there is less chance of overpenetration and injuring something other than the intended target?

Hollow point causes catastrophic injuries to the intended target . You are correct about over penetration but they are designed for stopping power .

tuxy · 05-12-2018 1:36pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hollow point causes catastrophic injuries to the intended target . You are correct about over penetration but they are designed for stopping power .

Yeah hollow points are more of a hunting round correct? As you want an animal to die as quickly as possible to avoid unnecessary suffering.
Queue jokes about the Gardi having hollow points to be humane to our cultured friends.

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 1:38pm

tuxy wrote:

Yeah hollow points are more of a hunting round correct? As you want an animal to die as quickly as possible to avoid unnecessary suffering. Que jokes about the Gardi having hollow points to be humane to our cultured friends.

Actually they are favoured in the states for self defense. A corpse is no longer a threat.....

tuxy · 05-12-2018 1:53pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually they are favoured in the states for self defense. A corpse is no longer a threat.....

That's merica for you!
I imagine in countries where gun laws are stricter police forces are more likely to pick FMJ over hollow point.

Ash.J.Williams · 05-12-2018 1:57pm

There should be an enquiry if he missed

sligojoek · 05-12-2018 1:58pm

I'd imagine if there was a dog, GSOC/Forensic will have no problem finding his blood.

tuxy · 05-12-2018 1:59pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

There should be an enquiry if he missed

What are you talking about?
there will be a full investigation as there always is when a garda discharges his weapon.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 05-12-2018 2:03pm

tuxy wrote: »

What are you talking about?
there will be a full investigation as there always is when a garda discharges his weapon.

calm down.
i think he meant it as a joke.
u know, ha! ha!

tuxy · 05-12-2018 2:04pm

I see!
Garda assaulted by gang and now needs protection at his home haha?

RustyNut · 05-12-2018 2:05pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As an aside the guards evidence and that of the driver will carry more weight than the aggressor.

"Alleged aggressor"?

So it seems that you would be in agreement with John Connors that the system is biased against travellers?

Wheres Me Jumper? · 05-12-2018 2:06pm

tuxy wrote: »

I see!
Garda assaulted by gang and now needs protection at his home haha?

and keyboard warriors like you are gonna make a difference?

no.8 · 05-12-2018 2:07pm

Traveller lawlessness is a discussion that needs to broadcast and targeted by the mainstream media, but its taboo as they have the liberal media wrapped around their fingers (especially with this ridiculous status in place). Many of the regular folk (and indeed law-abiding travellers) are absolutely fed up with this s@@t. It's a shame because ultimately all most of us want is unbiased reporting (or relatively unbiased...being realistic) and a safe, fair society for our families.

Death threats against a Garda should not be taken lightly. This is a serious crime in most developed nations. Those committing threats need to be found and dealt with.
It's unclear what happened exactly and this what the GSOC is there for but there's no doubt that the dogs owners were / are engaging in criminal activity.

demanufactured · 05-12-2018 2:11pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

So, basically you're advocating genocide?

Cleansing, Its cleansing you mean.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 05-12-2018 2:16pm

demanufactured wrote: »

Cleansing, Its cleansing you mean.

the Gardaí are totally under-resourced imho. to send a lone detective to deal with this rabble is disgraceful.
but fair play to him for sorting the problem out as best he could.

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 2:17pm

RustyNut wrote:

So it seems that you would be in agreement with John Connors that the system is biased against travellers?

Not sure how you work that out. I looked at the video only one person throwing punch's wasn't the cop or van driver.

RustyNut · 05-12-2018 2:19pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not sure how you work that out. I looked at the video only one person throwing punch's wasn't the cop or van driver.

How do you know that the traveller wasn't acting in self defence from what you seen in the video?

Signore Fancy Pants · 05-12-2018 2:21pm

The FB pages belonging to the cultured Longford folk are mad altogether.

Hopefully a robust AGS crackdown in the area will happen.

no.8 · 05-12-2018 2:22pm

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

the Gardaí are totally under-resourced imho. to send a lone detective to deal with this rabble is disgraceful.
but fair play to him for sorting the problem out as best he could.

Here here.
TBH, if the states comes down on officer Quinn then I will lose all confidence in the justice system (whatever shred is left). If he did something grossly wrong then fair enough, the law is not above him......but this is seemingly not the case. Ultimately the state powers should hold the cards and he acted in self-defense. They saw a gun drawn, by a member of the law enforcement....and the clowns didn't back off.

It's a clear sign of criminality if they know all the details about the guard....1st name basis / address etc. Those of us not involved in s@@t don't need to or care to know.

Signore Fancy Pants · 05-12-2018 2:22pm

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you know that the traveller wasn't acting in self defence from what you seen in the video?

Because an unarmed person does not go on the offensive against an armed person...

...thats how.

tuxy · 05-12-2018 2:23pm

Señor Santa Pants wrote: »

The FB pages belonging to the cultured Longford folk are mad altogether.

Hopefully a robust AGS crackdown in the area will happen.

The situation in Longford is seriously out of hand. If you search for "stokes longford" all you see is court case after court case with very light sentences.
In one case one of the travellers even took the time to commend the judge on what a fair man he is.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 05-12-2018 2:24pm

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you know that the traveller wasn't acting in self defence from what you seen in the video?

ya sure the old geezer driving the van really looked like he was bating the crap outta the poor lad.

that or he had just vilified his much vaunted culture, which upset him really badly ...

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2018 2:28pm

RustyNut wrote:

How do you know that the traveller wasn't acting in self defence from what you seen in the video?

Guy sitting in a van sheilding himself from punches from the traveller, call it a hunch.

RustyNut · 05-12-2018 2:32pm

SeSanta Pants wrote: »

Because an unarmed person does not go on the offensive against an armed person...

...thats how.

But that's just not true is it. Plenty of armed gunmen have been disarmed by unarmed people.

I've no idea what went on before the camera started so I'm not going to assume anything but if memory serves the last two people shot by AGS were shot by mistake.

Ash.J.Williams · 05-12-2018 2:34pm

The indo said the family are linked to the car chop shop discovery/raid this week?

thecomedian · 05-12-2018 2:39pm

RustyNut wrote: »

But that's just not true is it. Plenty of armed gunmen have been disarmed by unarmed people.

Don’t be fooled by those films you watch ðŸ™‚

Captain Obvious · 05-12-2018 2:41pm

no.8 wrote: »

Traveller lawlessness is a discussion that needs to broadcast and targeted by the mainstream media, but its taboo as they have the liberal media wrapped around their fingers (especially with this ridiculous status in place). Many of the regular folk (and indeed law-abiding travellers) are absolutely fed up with this s@@t. It's a shame because ultimately all most of us want is unbiased reporting (or relatively unbiased...being realistic) and a safe, fair society for our families.

Death threats against a Garda should not be taken lightly. This is a serious crime in most developed nations. Those committing threats need to be found and dealt with.
It's unclear what happened exactly and this what the GSOC is there for but there's no doubt that the dogs owners were / are engaging in criminal activity.

I am fully sure that if the true extent of traveller crime was revealed then people simply wouldn't believe it.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 05-12-2018 2:44pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I am fully sure that if the true extent of traveller crime was revealed then people simply wouldn't believe it.

do tell us

tuxy · 05-12-2018 2:47pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I am fully sure that if the true extent of traveller crime was revealed then people simply wouldn't believe it.

You think not? What if we showed evidence of the same travellers who are on the dole walking in to a car dealership with €50k in cash?

RustyNut · 05-12-2018 2:47pm

thecomedian wrote: »

Don’t be fooled by those films you watch &#55357;&#56898;

I dont think it was a film when that brave member in Westmanstown dissarmed a hit man using only his hurl.

Ash.J.Williams · 05-12-2018 2:50pm

RustyNut wrote: »

But that's just not true is it. Plenty of armed gunmen have been disarmed by unarmed people.

I've no idea what went on before the camera started so I'm not going to assume anything but if memory serves the last two people shot by AGS were shot by mistake.

If you set a dog on an armed Garda then you're asking to be hit by ricochet via dog

Ash.J.Williams · 05-12-2018 2:51pm

RustyNut wrote: »

I dont think it was a film when that brave member in Westmanstown dissarmed a hit man using only his hurl.

Lets issue hurls to the Gardaí then... Maybe add sliotars too for the armed Garda

thecomedian · 05-12-2018 2:53pm

RustyNut wrote: »

I dont think it was a film when that brave member in Westmanstown dissarmed a hit man using only his hurl.

So he was armed with a hurl!!

Wheres Me Jumper? · 05-12-2018 3:02pm

thecomedian wrote: »

So he was armed with a hurl!!

was it a hollow tip or a FMJ i wonder?

Garda shoots dog in Longford

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