National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

NBAiii wrote: »

There have been a couple of press release in the past few days, one from NBI and one from DECC. NBI are claiming to have already connected some trial premises in Carrigaline.

https://nbi.ie/news/latest/2020/12/02/national-broadband-plan-progress-update/

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/ba41f-significant-progress-on-the-national-broadband-plan/

Always find it annoying when companies themselves don't know the difference between MB and Mbit.

TimHorton wrote: »

Who cares, Everyone knows what he means, Only morons like you comment on such things,

Sit down with a nice cup of tea Tim.

wexfordman2 wrote: »

The thing is how big is each area listed, or, what size of an area does carrigaline cover. Are NBI referring to a geographic area of carrigaline, or the areas and townlands the carrigaline poi is connecting (eg, carrigaline is feeding Midleton).

Was it mentioned earlier that they would complete an entire area before moving on, or are they gonna partially do areas and come back again


It seems to me, they are picking high density areas and targeting those first ?

Midleton is a separate deployment area (DA)- East of the Lee. Roll-out areas (RA), i.e. connections, may include several deployment areas.
Sean Sherlock got this - possibly misleading - answer in the Dáil recently.
https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2020-12-02a.55

fergus1001 posted about survey work in Midleton DA here.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114798774&postcount=1122

Published activity is here in blue dots.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1h1fSHXa6-cHDuEvBb52AupxYBQnNRtbq&ll=51.94149117684967%2C-8.248435145797373&z=10

NB. some dots are on top of one another so you may need to download the map and look at the data table to work out which is the most recent.

Cork981 wrote: »

The black cable is fibre optic cable, its printed on the cable.

No. As The Cush says it is Radius tube 14/10mm so 14mm OD and 10mm ID. The "fibre optic cable" stamping is just an identifier in case anyone digs it up.

wexfordman2 wrote: »

The thing is how big is each area listed, or, what size of an area does carrigaline cover. Are NBI referring to a geographic area of carrigaline, or the areas and townlands the carrigaline poi is connecting (eg, carrigaline is feeding Midleton).

Was it mentioned earlier that they would complete an entire area before moving on, or are they gonna partially do areas and come back again


It seems to me, they are picking high density areas and targeting those first ?

Because they have chosen to use enet MAN infrastructure it is unavoidable that they have to begin building in larger regional locations.

The deployment areas are large, much larger than the rural eir exchange areas that were used for the 340K rollout. If I recall the largest rural eir exchange area was just over 1000 premises. NBI's are three or four times that.

I haven't seen an exact map of Carrigaline but from what I can infer the area comprises of locations south of Cork city so Passage West, Crosshaven down to Reanieshouse, Ballyfeard, Ballinphelic to the west.

It may be larger than that but I'd be confident enough of those. Midleton, as stated, is a separate OLT.

I assume they will complete a full area as that will trigger a payment under the contract.

kaizersoze wrote: »

You're right. That's what I get for walking the dog at 10.30 in the dark......:pac:

It was definitely pulled in yesterday a week or more after the sub duct.

No problem. I'm sure the cable isn't far behind. I appreciate the time you take to get the photos. Keep them coming. It is good to see tangible progress.

Orebro wrote: »

If you were appearing within a rollout area but near the edge on the above google map where the rollout is actively happening, but haven't been surveyed yet, does that mean you are not going to be in that rollout phase? There are houses marked as available by March 2021 only a couple of Kms away from me. Weird thing too is there are some houses on one side of road saying survey pending and houses literally across the road marked as available March 2021!

The Google map is an approximation of this fuzzy pdf from the NBP contract (Nov 2019).
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114442813&postcount=915

TheSegal wrote: »

What is the white cable used for if the black one is the duct for fiber cable? Just interested in learning about the different parts of the rollout process and you seem very knowledgeable about the different parts

The clear duct is used for blown fibre, so they will push fibre through that duct over long distances, perhaps a few km, using compressed air. You can see a little plastic stop on the end to keep the inside clean.

The black duct is used for shorter runs, say where a cable has to go underground beneath an ESB line perhaps for 50 - 100m. They would manually pull the fibre through it.

It is not totally apparent what is going on in that picture, I suspect there is a pole out of shot, but that is a general guide to what the different types are used for.

TimHorton wrote: »

Who cares, Everyone knows what he means, Only morons like you comment on such things,

I was referring to the NBP document, not sure who "he" is. Actually people don't. There are always countless posts of people saying they are only getting x download speed because bit byte is misunderstood. I suspect you don't understand it yourself, but thanks for showing everyone what a great guy you are :pac:

NBAiii wrote: »

The clear duct is used for blown fibre, so they will push fibre through that duct over long distances, perhaps a few km, using compressed air. You can see a little plastic stop on the end to keep the inside clean.

The black duct is used for shorter runs, say where a cable has to go underground beneath an ESB line perhaps for 50 - 100m. They would manually pull the fibre through it.

It is not totally apparent what is going on in that picture, I suspect there is a pole out of shot, but that is a general guide to what the different types are used for.

Yes. Both coils are up a pole. Both subducts come out of an Eir manhole at the base.
Although you may have the scenarios they both are used in reverse in this case. The white duct appears to be used for short runs where the fibre will transition from overhead down into a duct then back out of the duct and up the pole to overhead again. These would be short runs of 100mtrs and often less.

The thin black one seems to be coming from an Eir chamber on the main road that links back to the Enet MAN which is a longer run.

Has anyone seen the type of working going on the curraghline n84 Galway?

As I've been working from home I havent see what type of works are taking place. Seen plenty giving out 9n Facebook pages about the traffic delays not to mention the county councilor the last day I mentioned.

Curious if they are laying cable underground along the roadside or are they looping it along telephone poles.

Sickner to be 5-10 minutes away from all this work and know its not for my area.

theguzman wrote: »

With the Fibre from NBI will we see Virgin become a provider on the NBI? It would be also no harm if Virgin TV was available also as rural dwellers have been far too heavily dependent on Sky for their pay TV requirements.

Simple answer ? No !!

/M

They have their own network don't they? In saying that if they can get in on the new network I don't see why they wouldn't.

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Why does everything you post look like you’ve cut and paste it from somewhere else?

Best not to entertain the trolls, we all know here that fiber is the best option for the future. We can all just keep focusing on the day that a speedtest from an NBI connection is finally posted!

Orebro wrote: »

Yes I've noticed the exact same thing - houses literally across the road from each other getting different results along a road, and in one case in a row of 4 houses, the first 2 are confirmed by March 2021, next one says pending, then the 4th says March 2021!

Nothing that extreme but I have noticed looking at the current works in Galway:

You can almost literally draw a line across half of Corandulla/Annaghdown and see the bottom half (closer to the city) with the Jan - March connection date, and then a stones throw up the road in the same village, Premises pending survey.

So I'm just assuming the OLT/DA for Galway extended as far as it can go and the houses further north are part of another DA? I was wondering if they would just extend the cabling to connect these houses but maybe those in the thread such as NBAiii can explain why its not feasible.

Will grab a pic later from the NBI map.

theguzman wrote: »

Off topic here but just a thought in my head, it is equally strange that Virgin don't sell on either OpenEIR Fibre or Siro, I would have thought Fibre is perfect for Cable TV and should be superior to the Docsis Copper-Coax that Virgin use. If I opened my own isp tomorrow could I demand access to Virgin's Docsis Copper-Coax network, has that been regulated and open to competition like OpenEir, Siro or NBI?

I believe the copper coax network was paid for in a completely private fashion and so there's no requirement to open it up to anyone. OpenEir, Siro and NBI are different as they're operating explicitly as wholesalers. Their commercial proposition is based around ISPs buying into their networks. Virgin have been explicitly called out by NBI as someone they will be selling to:

NBI will sell capacity to every retail operator in Ireland, including Comcast’s Sky, Liberty Global’s Virgin Media, UK-based Vodafone and probably Eir

From:
https://nbi.ie/news/latest/2020/06/26/nokia-wins-ftth-contract-for-half-a-million-rural-homes-in-ireland/

The question is in what capacity will Virgin be using the network....it may not be for end consumers, but rather backhaul for their own copper/coax network.

Orebro wrote: »

and in one case in a row of 4 houses, the first 2 are confirmed by March 2021, next one says pending, then the 4th says March 2021!

If all 4 are on the same ribbon I wonder if the following applies

NBI surveys every premises in the IA, however, it is not always possible to conduct a survey, therefore in some instances the premises will need to have a survey carried out by NBI ConnectCo.

Is it possible the low-level design team could not access the property for whatever reason when they were in the area and it will now be surveyed by the deployment team when an order is placed?

I'm seeing issues like that on my brothers road. All of the new builds made after 2015-16 are not in the intervention area yet every other older house on the road is. I've asked people living there if they get over 30mb and they said it's no where near that figure, same as everyone else in the area ~7mb. Wonder is it a case of eircodes not being updated for them after a build or something along those lines?

kaizersoze wrote: »

The entire row including this one can get 60/70meg eFiber from the cab around the corner.

Cabinet may be full, 92 ports with no possibility of adding more?

How regularly do NBI update their website ?

Our house is showing Pending Survey even though this was completed in March20 and over the last 3 weeks they are installing fibre cable on telephone poles

We were surveyed (Co. Longford) in late August but it’s still showing as pending on the website. No sign of further work on the ground either.