Extinction Rebellion Ireland

Robert_Beach · 06-11-2019 3:38pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I think eventually they will have to ban single use coffee and tea cups and possibly single use water bottles as well.

Often takes 5 minutes to drink from these and if not recycled which many of them aren't they stay around for hundreds of years.

Deffo. I take a look at the drinks fridge in shops and my heart drops. Even worse if it's one of them open chillers. Row after row of fizzy drink, think of all the single use plastic involved in it, the dirty transportation that got it there etc etc all to be used in 5 minutes and thrown in the bin.

Thelonious Monk · 06-11-2019 3:41pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

That chart is so misleading it is virtually useless. It completely ignored nutrition and calories. Half a pound of steak is like 3 or 4 times the calories of spuds.

The chart shows how much land it takes to feed people. Regardless of the calorie density of plants or steak, it still takes far far less land to feed people the same amount of calories with plants rather than meat.

ToBeFrank123 · 06-11-2019 3:42pm

Decades ago and probably more so in the UK during WW2, you were given a reward for bringing plastic and glass bottles back to shops. And milk bottles were recycled by the milkman after a quick wash.
Nowadays everything is manufacture and throwaway. People are lazy and also have a higher standard of living and look at the reuse of bottles as primitive.

We definitely should incentivise people to return plastic bottles to shops. Large softdrink manufacturers should be made accountable for their bottles after use, either by having them returned to shops with a reward or some other method.

We should view companies like those as we view tobacco companies.

Robert_Beach · 06-11-2019 3:45pm

(England) - Extinction Rebellion: High Court rules London protest ban unlawful

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50316561

Delighted to see this. The powers that be want to stop the protests but they'll never succeed! We're in this for the planet!

runawaybishop · 06-11-2019 3:49pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The chart shows how much land it takes to feed people. Regardless of the calorie density of plants or steak, it still takes far far less land to feed people the same amount of calories with plants rather than meat.

Yes that is true, but that chart is extremely misleading. Charts like that just further the general distrust people have of this sort of agenda.

Similarly its not like people eat 100% meat in their diet. Reducing meat consumption to zero is not actually all that beneficial as a lot of the land is not suitable for crops. A balanced approach combined with a general reduction (not elimination) of meat is far better.

Thelonious Monk · 06-11-2019 3:56pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Yes that is true, but that chart is extremely misleading. Charts like that just further the general distrust people have of this sort of agenda.

Similarly its not like people eat 100% meat in their diet. Reducing meat consumption to zero is not actually all that beneficial as a lot of the land is not suitable for crops. A balanced approach combined with a general reduction (not elimination) of meat is far better.

It's not about crops, it's about giving land back to nature. Most of Ireland is barren because nothing can grow on hills because of sheep, and so much land is used to grow food for cows.

runawaybishop · 06-11-2019 4:06pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not about crops, it's about giving land back to nature. Most of Ireland is barren because nothing can grow on hills because of sheep, and so much land is used to grow food for cows.

Its primarily about feeding people in the most effective manner, surely? Giving land back to nature is a meaningless soundbite in and of itself, we are part of nature.

cnocbui · 06-11-2019 4:13pm

As usual, you don't have to look far into the effluent output by greenies to find the 5h1t.

Carrying capacity was generally higher for scenarios with less meat and highest for the lacto-vegetarian diet. However, the carrying capacity of the vegan diet was lower than two of the healthy omnivore diet scenarios.

https://www.elementascience.org/articles/10.12952/journal.elementa.000116/

runawaybishop · 06-11-2019 4:15pm

cnocbui wrote: »

As usual, you don't have to look far into the effluent output by greenies to find the 5h1t.

https://www.elementascience.org/articles/10.12952/journal.elementa.000116/

This is because they are solely concerned about environmental effects, being able to actually feed people is not something they are concerned about.

cnocbui · 06-11-2019 4:16pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not about crops, it's about giving land back to nature. Most of Ireland is barren because nothing can grow on hills because of sheep, and so much land is used to grow food for cows.

A lot hills have bog on them or next to no topsoil. The sheep are a symptom, not a cause.

Fr_Dougal · 06-11-2019 4:17pm

Bottled water should be banned fullstop.

Thelonious Monk · 06-11-2019 4:26pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Bottled water should be banned fullstop.

well that'd be nice but the way things are going it may be the only water we can drink in Ireland sooner or later

JP Liz V1 · 06-11-2019 4:32pm

I feel it is now the in thing "protesting for global warming"

I'll be honest I am not clued in but I do support anything Leonardo DiCaprio related

cnocbui · 06-11-2019 4:33pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

well that'd be nice but the way things are going it may be the only water we can drink in Ireland sooner or later

Bulldust.

Thelonious Monk · 06-11-2019 4:34pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Bulldust.

well I wasn't able to drink my tap water last night or a couple of weeks ago. Our water infrastructure here is not up to task, and people don't want to pay for it.

cnocbui · 06-11-2019 4:39pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

well I wasn't able to drink my tap water last night or a couple of weeks ago. Our water infrastructure here is not up to task, and people don't want to pay for it.

So out of 5 million people, how many were unable to drink the water last night? I'll start you off, I was, and there isn't any chlorine in it either.

I get several power blackouts a year, but I never assume everyone in the country is affected or that it heralds the imminent collapse of civilisation.

Thelonious Monk · 06-11-2019 4:41pm

cnocbui wrote: »

So out of 5 million people, how many were unable to drink the water last night? I'll start you off, I was, and there isn't any chlorine in it either.

I get several power blackouts a year, but I never assume everyone in the country is affected or that it heralds the imminent collapse of civilisation.

600,000. A lot of people no?

Gannicus · 06-11-2019 4:44pm

Can I just ask, this may sound ridiculous as fcuk but what happens to the biological waste in our brown bins whenthey are lifted.

We used to keep a compost bin at home and rotate it instead of using the brown bin but the fly and the smell quickly outweighed the benefots of having it. is there a bigger scheme in operation and if not could this be used to terraform barren land over the coming generations?

runawaybishop · 06-11-2019 4:52pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

600,000. A lot of people no?

There have been boil water notices for years in the west, they may not affect as many people but they have lasted a lot longer in cumulative hours.

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2019 4:57pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

well I wasn't able to drink my tap water last night or a couple of weeks ago. Our water infrastructure here is not up to task, and people don't want to pay for it.

Nothing stopping you from drinking it, just not advisable. I doubt our drought stricken friends would be so Choosey.

Jimmy Garlic · 06-11-2019 5:03pm

Robert_Beach wrote: »

(England) - Extinction Rebellion: High Court rules London protest ban unlawful

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50316561

Delighted to see this. The powers that be want to stop the protests but they'll never succeed! We're in this for the planet!

If the powers that be wanted extinction rebellion banned or hindered they would do it. You think the courts in the UK are not influenced by what the PTB want?

Jimmy Garlic · 06-11-2019 5:13pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Biodegradable cups and lids still need to be produced and recycled/disposed of. Taxes on stupid and lazy people are exactly what we need to change behaviour.

Everything you buy has to be produced. You will have to dispose of some element of almost every thing you purchase. Should there be a levy on everything on top of the vat we already pay? Dosent matter much to designer hippie, perpetual student, extinction rebellion types I suppose , their parents and the dole pick up their tab as they mooch their way through life.

Thelonious Monk · 06-11-2019 5:16pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Everything you buy has to be produced. You will have to dispose of some element of almost every thing you purchase. Should there be a levy on everything on top of the vat we already pay? Dosent matter much to designer hippie, perpetual student, extinction rebellion types I suppose , their parents and the dole pick up their tab as they mooch their way through life.

We are buying too many useless things, that we don't need. And producing unnecessary rubbish. I work and earn a modest wage and live in a council estate. I agree with this levy. Never claimed dole in my life. Who on earth are you actually talking about do you know many of these people?

20Cent · 06-11-2019 5:25pm

You can swim in the sea because some hippy lefty campaigned to stop human waste being dumped near the shore.
You can trust food because some hippy commie campaigned for proper food regulation.
You can breath better because some lazy lefty campaigned for lead free petrol and smokeless coal in cities.
You can enjoy the countryside because some hippy scrounger campaigned for environmental protections.

You can bet some moany old f*cks moaned about these changes at the time as well.

Turns out the hippies were right.

Hug a hippy today and thank them.

06-11-2019 5:36pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not about crops, it's about giving land back to nature. Most of Ireland is barren because nothing can grow on hills because of sheep, and so much land is used to grow food for cows.

The only crop a lot of these lands will grow is grass. The sheep are on the hills because nothing useful can grow there

Danzy · 06-11-2019 5:40pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The chart shows how much land it takes to feed people. Regardless of the calorie density of plants or steak, it still takes far far less land to feed people the same amount of calories with plants rather than meat.

Yes but that means moving production from carbon sink Irish beef to the Amazon.

There is a lot of farm land in the world that will not grow crops.

Penalizing production here will drive it to places like America, where it can then be shipped back to us.

Mercosour trade deal already started that.

Thelonious Monk · 06-11-2019 5:46pm

Danzy wrote: »

Yes but that means moving production from carbon sink Irish beef to the Amazon.

There is a lot of farm land in the world that will not grow crops.

Penalizing production here will drive it to places like America, where it can then be shipped back to us.

Mercosour trade deal already started that.

We already contribute to destruction of amazon through importing millions of tonnes of soy every year from there to feed irish cattle. There are too much cattle in ireland if we cant even grow enough food to feed them.

Thelonious Monk · 06-11-2019 5:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The only crop a lot of these lands will grow is grass. The sheep are on the hills because nothing useful can grow there

Right but sheep stop wild lands from flourishing which is leading to the extinction of many species in ireland. Some land should just be left alone by humans and farmed animals.

blueshade · 06-11-2019 5:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The only crop a lot of these lands will grow is grass. The sheep are on the hills because nothing useful can grow there

Yeah, I couldn't believe the flooding in so many fields on the way from Clare to Galway recently.

Danzy · 06-11-2019 5:58pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We already contribute to destruction of amazon through importing millions of tonnes of soy every year from there to feed irish cattle. There are too much cattle in ireland if we cant even grow enough food to feed them.

The difference between our beef and most of the beef exported around the world is that ours is 90% grass fed.

And out grassland is a massive carbon sink but that isn't taken in to account for some strange reason.

Probably because it would highlight the intense tillage countries as having their land far from being a carbon sink.

Much of that soya in the Amazon is owned by French and Dutch companies, lit of the reason the EU greenlighted the fires with Mercosour.

c.p.w.g.w · 06-11-2019 6:05pm

Danzy wrote: »

The difference between our beef and most of the beef exported around the world is that ours is 90% grass fed.

And out grassland is a massive carbon sink but that isn't taken in to account for some strange reason.

Probably because it would highlight the intense tillage countries as having their land far from being a carbon sink.

Much of that soya in the Amazon is owned by French and Dutch companies, lit of the reason the EU greenlighted the fires with Mercosour.

It very scary that people just ignore the point about grasslands being carbon sinks...apparently grasslands are much better than forests re: carbon sinks

Danzy · 06-11-2019 6:05pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Right but sheep stop wild lands from flourishing which is leading to the extinction of many species in ireland. Some land should just be left alone by humans and farmed animals.

That isn't true though.

It's the other way round.

A very large % of Irish plants and especially birds depend on land being worked by humans.

The massive floral range of the Burren just one example highlighted this week.

Our overall fauna has surprisingly few plants in woods.

That being one of the reasons honey bees do so poorly near areas with a lot of native woods. There is little to nothing for insects to feed on.

Jimmy Garlic · 06-11-2019 6:07pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We are buying too many useless things, that we don't need. And producing unnecessary rubbish. I work and earn a modest wage and live in a council estate. I agree with this levy. Never claimed dole in my life. Who on earth are you actually talking about do you know many of these people?

I am talking about the upper middle class types who call themselves activists. They have the time to engage in so called activism because they do not work, never worked in most cases, and are funded usually by wealthy parents and the dole that they claim on top of that. Don't know about you, maybe you are naturally a cheapskate using the environment as an excuse to be a cheapskate. Every penny might be a prisoner. A lot of cheapskates became environmentalist, but like you they usually don't attend protests or call themselves "activists" as if that's a job.

Danzy · 06-11-2019 6:09pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

It very scary that people just ignore the point about grasslands being carbon sinks...apparently grasslands are much better than forests re: carbon sinks

They do sequester it much more quickly than forests but it has to be permanent grass pasture, which most our land is.

It's a safe bet to go after beef here rather than look at ones own life and carbon impact.

mgn · 06-11-2019 6:09pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Decades ago and probably more so in the UK during WW2, you were given a reward for bringing plastic and glass bottles back to shops. And milk bottles were recycled by the milkman after a quick wash.
Nowadays everything is manufacture and throwaway. People are lazy and also have a higher standard of living and look at the reuse of bottles as primitive.

We definitely should incentivise people to return plastic bottles to shops. Large softdrink manufacturers should be made accountable for their bottles after use, either by having them returned to shops with a reward or some other method.

We should view companies like those as we view tobacco companies.

We don't reward people in this country, we tax them instead.

Thelonious Monk · 06-11-2019 6:12pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am talking about the upper middle class types who call themselves activists. They have the time to engage in so called activism because they do not work, never worked in most cases, and are funded usually by wealthy parents and the dole that they claim on top of that. Don't know about you, maybe you are naturally a cheapskate using the environment as an excuse to be a cheapskate. Every penny might be a prisoner. A lot of cheapskates became environmentalist, but like you they usually don't attend protests or call themselves "activists" as if that's a job.

And still you manage to get an insult in. You dont come acrosd as a nice person on these forums at all.

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2019 6:16pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

It very scary that people just ignore the point about grasslands being carbon sinks...apparently grasslands are much better than forests re: carbon sinks

It's not that they ignore , they choose to be ignorant of certain facts.

c.p.w.g.w · 06-11-2019 6:17pm

Danzy wrote: »

They do sequester it much more quickly than forests but it has to be permanent grass pasture, which most our land is.

It's a safe bet to go after beef here rather than look at ones own life and carbon impact.

How does tillage compare to grasslands re: sequestering carbon?

Also the west's love of cheap throw away fashion items has to have an impact on carbon levels...the amount of people who buy holiday clothes from Penny's to use wear them once on holidays and leave them behind. There has to be a carbon cost in that?

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2019 6:17pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

How does tillage compare to grasslands re: sequestering carbon?

Also the west's love of cheap throw away fashion items has to have an impact on carbon levels...the amount of people who buy holiday clothes from Penny's to use wear them once on holidays and leave them behind. There has to be a carbon cost in that?

Fashion accounts for 10 per cent of carbon emissions whilst air travel is 2 per cent.

c.p.w.g.w · 06-11-2019 6:19pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Fashion accounts for 10 per cent of carbon emissions whilst air travel is 2 per cent.

That's absolutely insane

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2019 6:24pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

That's absolutely insane

Yes but if we wind down Dublin airport according to a poster here we are sorted. ;-)

mgn · 06-11-2019 6:25pm

Robert_Beach wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/coffee-cups-levy-4879620-Nov2019/

A levy of 25c on coffee cups is coming. Not the best but a start. I would prefer to see a levy of E1 or more to actually make a difference.

See your brainwashed already, its a tax not a levy, levy sounds better doesn't it,
I never thought i would see the day when people were asking to pay more tax.

Danzy · 06-11-2019 6:27pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

How does tillage compare to grasslands re: sequestering carbon?

Also the west's love of cheap throw away fashion items has to have an impact on carbon levels...the amount of people who buy holiday clothes from Penny's to use wear them once on holidays and leave them behind. There has to be a carbon cost in that?

Tillage land destroys carbon in the soil by ploughing constantly, exposing it to microbial action.

Organic matter on my farm soil tested at 14%.

Across most of Europe it varies from 0 to 2%.

Just off permanent pasture alone we'd nearly be carbon neutral as a country.

That is dependent on cattle on it mind, that is where the large scake sequestration happens.

That isn't a reason for us not to push on with being a greener country but a call not to target our natural success story in that already out of personal biases.

20Cent · 06-11-2019 6:28pm

I'd do anything for my kids*

* unless it mildly inconveniences me or Costs any money.

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2019 6:33pm

20Cent wrote: »

I'd do anything for my kids*

* unless it mildly inconveniences me or Costs any money.

Be better for the planet if you have none. ;-)

c.p.w.g.w · 06-11-2019 6:39pm

Danzy wrote: »

Tillage land destroys carbon in the soil by ploughing constantly, exposing it to microbial action.

Organic matter on my farm soil tested at 14%.

Across most of Europe it varies from 0 to 2%.

Just off permanent pasture alone we'd nearly be carbon neutral as a country.

That is dependent on cattle on it mind, that is where the large scake sequestration happens.

That isn't a reason for us not to push on with being a greener country but a call not to target our natural success story in that already out of personal biases.

But if Ireland is able to produce Beef in a more carbon efficient* way than other countries should we not be encouraged to continue while other countries who don't produce beef in such am efficient way be encouraged to divert that land for potential more environmentally beneficial uses.

The EU could very much do it by the way of grants and aid money.

*I don't know how carbon efficient our beef farming is, but i hear it from many different sources that Ireland is in fact one the most efficient

20Cent · 06-11-2019 6:56pm

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Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2019 7:01pm

20Cent wrote: »

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Danzy · 06-11-2019 7:03pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

But if Ireland is able to produce Beef in a more carbon efficient* way than other countries should we not be encouraged to continue while other countries who don't produce beef in such am efficient way be encouraged to divert that land for potential more environmentally beneficial uses.

The EU could very much do it by the way of grants and aid money.

*I don't know how carbon efficient our beef farming is, but i hear it from many different sources that Ireland is in fact one the most efficient

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It should but then political quid pro quos come in to play, economic horse trading.

20Cent · 06-11-2019 7:06pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

With funding from sources such as Bill and Melinda Gates. Might just pass on the opportunity thanks.

Out of interest what sources do you believe in relation to climate change?

Extinction Rebellion Ireland

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