The trashing of our parks and beaches

Fann Linn wrote: »

Bull****. I was a barman in O Byrnes of Rathmines for years and there was plenty of it.

Right cool if you say so.

I said estates by the way.

I go walking in 3 different places, pretty much rubbish free most the time but as soon as the weather is warm they are packed with people and rubbish everywhere. Happens every year

Truthvader wrote: »

Well that was relevant

Ah, so we only care about some of the environment. :rolleyes:

osarusan wrote: »

Huge amounts of flytipping, but it also happens with kids just dropping sweet wrappers and the like.

Monkey see, monkey do.

Contorted attempts to turn this into a welfare thing are agony to read.

meeeeh wrote: »

That's definitely true. We have a moron driving down our road. They throw stuff out of the car on the same stretch of the road (where there are no houses). They drink Lucozade, eat fast food, sometimes treat themselves to red bull and smoke. I know because we are collecting the same rubbish for years after them.

Anyway it's not just teenagers. We had more families coming into local woods and there are plenty of little darlings who can't walk 3km without eating some rubbish and dropping the wrapper. Not that their parents are any better.

I actually think blaming teenagers is unfair. I never littered, neither did my friends. It's just filthy people and they're of all ages.

I blame the Spanish students Joe

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Completely wrong, I live in one of these areas and have raised repeatedly the issue of rubbish being thrown on our street with local TD's. Responses ranged from
1. I will get it raised at the next council meeting (never heard back on the outcome)
2. We can't put a bin on the street because people will dump household waste in it
3. We will ask the council cleaners to change their schedule to clean it after the weekends
4. No response

Also, Belgrave Square in Rathmines at the weekend: https://twitter.com/BridMcGrath/status/1267163288787472384

Also to dis-prove the theory that it is only young people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=Ugkt8lgC-3w&feature=emb_title

So he could afford €30k+ for a 152 car somewhere between 2015 and 2016, and wouldn't pay €15 for a car load of rubbish but it was OK to go out to a bog and dump it.

And maybe the Council could empty the bins more regularly for the benefit of people who use them

Mrsmum wrote: »

We have a very large green area outside my front door. A favourite getting together area for my own and other neighbours teenagers and their pals. (Not known for adults sitting around.)Unfortunately the amount of plastic bottles the teenagers leave behind is unreal. Mind you they leave all manner of clothes behind also.And these are very definitely the same well to do teenagers who will tell you all about the environment. I don't think they join the dots always.

I should say that I don't think teenagers are exclusively at fault. But yes the teenagers brought up by filthy parents will be filthy themselves. They just congregate outside more than their parents.

CrankyHaus wrote: »

So why have any public bins at all then? Just keep repeating the mantra that everyone bring everything home with them.
Or, put public resources into adequate bins and get less litter.

If we put more bins in people would probably bring black sacks full of their domestic rubbish. The only thing people understand is "How much is this costing me", so the need for a deposit return scheme is of vital importance. You can expect a cleaner park (and probably 50 cans would fill any bin) if it is hitting people in the pocket.

But all we are hearing on here is "something other than myself is to blame". I suppose, personal responsibility is beyond a large majority of Irish people

Personal responsibility needed. Also, the amount of plastic waste is unreal. Until govts go ahead and ban plastic wrapping etc, rather than asking us to "cut down", then there'll be sh*t thrown everywhere.

But why doesn't it work? Are Irish people really so beyond education and civic pride that we have to treat the symptoms rather than the cause?
I don't believe its good enough to just shrug our shoulders and say "lets pay our way out of the problem".
I definitely don't agree that its a class, age or welfare issue, for me this is 100% about pride of place.

We should take a sensible approach to drinking outdoors. When we were younger we used to go drinking by the lake for example and we cleaned up after ourselves and carried out empties to the bins. We were often stopped by Gardai and they turned a blind eye to a bunch of drunk 17 year olds because we cleaned up after ourselves.

Now you could go to the exact same spot, clean up the exact same way and meet a Garda and get a 50 quid on the spot fine for drinking outdoors. The places we used to go are an absolute mess with cans so bad that I often go clean up the lake shore.

If they allowed outdoor drinking at night in well lit up areas of the shore, put in bins had a bit of love music and put in a chip van. They could have a fantastic atmosphere.

If they

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Grand so. Do nothing. Get outraged every summer and express that outrage online for internet points.

I'm interested in solutions instead. And any solutions will cost resources; whether that's stricter enforcement, public education, better facilities or any combination thereof.

I'm interested in solutions too (as in bring it home and a deposit on all bottles / cans) but I still think this is across our society, be it cinema / fast food restaurants / whatever.

Why is it that a German / Australian / whoever can clean up after themselves, but an Irish person can't?

If a smoker is being treated for lung cancer, the doctor doesn't say "see you next year for another round of chemo", does he?

With all the trash on our sidewalks, parks and freeways, and now the racial tension in Ireland, and the crooked cops, I feel like getting out of Ireland and going to Europe.:rolleyes: