Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

nibtrix · 19-04-2021 5:32pm

3mom4 wrote: »

Same here, GP says they aren't vaccinating cohort 4. End of story. No referral to a MVC, just nothing. If you have no consultant, you just don't get vaccinated. It should not be an opt-in programme!

I think that it is absolutely fine for them to say they are not physically vaccinating cohort 4 or 7 at their practice, they've been put under a huge amount of pressure and many don't have the resources. But to refuse to create a list of referrals is extremely poor!

lucernarian · 19-04-2021 5:34pm

is_that_so wrote: »

The over 70 scenario is complicated by practice size, numbers of over 70s and primarily by supply of the mRNA vaccines.

Something obvious is still being missed here. The AZ vaccine has been proven to be safe to administer to the elderly. Ample UK evidence suggests it's effective. Why not administer AZ vaccine for those still waiting for a first dose in the 70+ group if their GPs, possibly through incompetence, still haven't provided them with an appointment?

3mom4 · 19-04-2021 5:35pm

nibtrix wrote: »

I think that it is absolutely fine for them to say they are not physically vaccinating cohort 4 or 7 at their practice, they've been put under a huge amount of pressure and many don't have the resources. But to refuse to create a list of referrals is extremely poor!

Thanks, have just given up here. I ring and I am told they are not vaccinating and there is no referral list.

19-04-2021 5:39pm

An opinion piece from the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/who-pays-if-you-suffer-side-effects-from-covid-19-vaccine-1.4540757?mode=amp

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 5:45pm

lucernarian wrote: »

Something obvious is still being missed here. The AZ vaccine has been proven to be safe to administer to the elderly. Ample UK evidence suggests it's effective. Why not administer AZ vaccine for those still waiting for a first dose in the 70+ group if their GPs, possibly through incompetence, still haven't provided them with an appointment?

NIAC are the ones making the calls here on vaccines and many GPs genuinely don't know until the HSE tell them they have supplies.

BlondeBomb · 19-04-2021 5:49pm

JPup wrote: »

They are due to start tomorrow so she is lucky to be one of the first in her age group called. It sure how they are deciding the order.

Thank you. Have a relative 69 who is booked in and waiting. No bother!

TomOnBoard · 19-04-2021 6:04pm

ddarcy wrote: »

Officially Pfizer and Moderna say a max of 7 weeks between doses. I can see it extended but really only to 6 weeks. If they go further than that than you may have legal issues (given the Irish love of lawsuits, I don’t think the HSE/NIAC will go beyond that, someone with no legal experience would be able to win a substantial award...)

I'd hope that they push it out as far as medico-legally aceptable. So, 7 weeks would mean an additional 75% of Pfizer/Moderna shots becoming available on a short-term basis, with increased deliveries being able to backfill the delayed 2nd doses...

Johnboy1951 · 19-04-2021 6:15pm

astrofool wrote: »

Incorrect, Vaccines in the EU have been approved under Conditional Marketing Approval with a full set of data provided for each vaccine, with the manufacturer of the vaccine also taking on full liability for the medicine that they are providing.

Is this then incorrect?

Ireland, as an EU member state, indemnified Covid-19 vaccine manufacturers as part of the advanced purchase agreements. This was necessary in order to obtain access to the vaccines. The result is that the State, rather than the manufacturer, is liable for the cost of redressing injuries caused by these vaccinations.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/who-pays-if-you-suffer-side-effects-from-covid-19-vaccine-1.4540757?mode=amp

majo · 19-04-2021 6:15pm

showpony1 wrote: »

how common are the side effects of the vaccine i.e. 2 days of fatigue/nausea?
i feel like everyone i hear of who has got it saying they are wrecked for 2/3 days after but not sure if they are just soft/complainers?
are the vast majority fine with no side effects after vaccine?

I had my first AZ four weeks ago. The following day I felt tired and “off form” plus some aches in arm and hand joints. I was lucky enough to be able to take it easy that day and was back to 100% good health the next day.
I will happily trade one day of not feeling great for the possible serious side effects of a Covid infection.
My healthy daughter (late 30s no underlying conditions) was dreadfully sick with Covid and months later had a worrying resurgence of symptoms.

seamus · 19-04-2021 6:20pm

JPup wrote: »

They are due to start tomorrow so she is lucky to be one of the first in her age group called. It sure how they are deciding the order.

They probably won't publish the full nature of how they allocate slots, but I expect a certain % of slots are kept open every day for late registers and to ensure older people take priority. So if they're doing (say) 67 year olds next Monday, a 65 year old who registers will be allocated an appointment a few days out, but a 69 year old will effectively jump the queue and get an appointment the next day.

The free slots on any given day might be filled up using the oldest individuals who haven't been allocated an appointment yet. Which means that we might see some odd scenarios where someone who registered last week gets a slot next week, but someone who registers today gets a slot on Wednesday (but notified late on Tuesday).

Qrt · 19-04-2021 6:22pm

Does anyone know if the proportion of cases by age has been changing? As in, are the cases in the U45s going up/down since January?

Strazdas · 19-04-2021 6:26pm

Not sure if it has been mentioned here but Paul Reid says the portal for 60 to 64 year olds could be opened as soon as later this week.

lbj666 · 19-04-2021 6:31pm

Qrt wrote: »

Does anyone know if the proportion of cases by age has been changing? As in, are the cases in the U45s going up/down since January?

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1383830274073513989/photo/1

No point comparing numbers , its %tage compared to the rest of the population you have to look at , its clearly is changing for elderly.

Wolf359f · 19-04-2021 6:33pm

Qrt wrote: »

Does anyone know if the proportion of cases by age has been changing? As in, are the cases in the U45s going up/down since January?

Week 1 of this year, 62% of cases were in u45's, that's now up to 75%.
Week 1 of this year 4.6% of cases were aged 75+, that's now down to 2.3%, a 50% decrease.

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 6:36pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Not sure if it has been mentioned here but Paul Reid says the portal for 60 to 64 year olds could be opened as soon as later this week.

So that looks like a drive towards getting all over 60s their first shot by early May.

iamwhoiam · 19-04-2021 6:38pm

I registered on Saturday . Just got an appointment for Thursday 22nd
Delighted ! Its really moving now

ACitizenErased · 19-04-2021 6:38pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I registered on Saturday . Just got an appointment for Thursday 22nd
Delighted ! Its really moving now

4 days from booking to jab is great going, good to see

wadacrack · 19-04-2021 6:40pm

J&J expected to approved again by Friday in the States.

https://twitter.com/SquawkCNBC/status/1384096581125771265

TomOnBoard · 19-04-2021 6:46pm

showpony1 wrote: »

how common are the side effects of the vaccine i.e. 2 days of fatigue/nausea?
i feel like everyone i hear of who has got it saying they are wrecked for 2/3 days after but not sure if they are just soft/complainers?
are the vast majority fine with no side effects after vaccine?

OH and I both got Pfizered at 3pm Saturday. By 5 I began to feels chills and feverish by 7. Steadily became more fluey during the evening. Wasted like from a flu on Sunday, with pains and aches, headaches, feeling generally Bleh!. Awoke today (Monday) at 7 in a lather of sweat and went back to sleep until 12 when I awoke in a puddle. At my worst until around 4 when there was a huge improvement! Feeling good now at almost 7 pm after a big dinner!

OH felt absolutely no different, and really didn't do sympathy much! I think I heard the word "Pussy" mentioned a time or two....

stephenjmcd · 19-04-2021 6:47pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I registered on Saturday . Just got an appointment for Thursday 22nd
Delighted ! Its really moving now

Delighted for you.

Registered my father today so hopefully hear in the next few days

Miike · 19-04-2021 7:05pm

TomOnBoard wrote: »

OH felt absolutely no different, and really didn't do sympathy much! I think I heard the word "Pussy" mentioned a time or two....

Got this word mentioned a few times in our work group chat after the vaccine. Most of them text the following evening complaining how **** they felt :pac::pac::pac:

Along with a few posts of

morebarn · 19-04-2021 7:11pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I registered on Saturday . Just got an appointment for Thursday 22nd
Delighted ! Its really moving now

I’m aged 69 and registered on Thursday morning.

Just got appointment for Thursday 22nd also.

TomOnBoard · 19-04-2021 7:12pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Delighted for you.

Registered my father today so hopefully hear in the next few days

My 66 y.o. Type 2 diabetic buddy registered today (Monday) @ 11 a.m.

Got message just after 6 with appt for Thursday @ 3.

He's in Midlands.

ACitizenErased · 19-04-2021 7:18pm

JacksonHeightsOwn · 19-04-2021 7:23pm

TomOnBoard wrote: »

My 66 y.o. Type 2 diabetic buddy registered today (Monday) @ 11 a.m.

Got message just after 6 with appt for Thursday @ 3.

He's in Midlands.

That's amazingly fast and great.

My father registered today so fingers crossed he gets his date quickly to. Exciting times

Stheno · 19-04-2021 7:25pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Thats almost 1.5 million people, nearly half the adult population?

Have I got the sums right?

Lumen · 19-04-2021 7:52pm

LOL @ "frontline healthcare workers". Yeah, and the rest!

edit: sorry, that's very cynical.

Charles Babbage · 19-04-2021 7:53pm

is_that_so wrote: »

So that looks like a drive towards getting all over 60s their first shot by early May.

They'd really need to do this given that there are 5 times as many still needing to be done by the end of June if the 80% is to be achieved.

PhoenixParker · 19-04-2021 7:55pm

TomOnBoard wrote: »

OH and I both got Pfizered at 3pm Saturday. By 5 I began to feels chills and feverish by 7. Steadily became more fluey during the evening. Wasted like from a flu on Sunday, with pains and aches, headaches, feeling generally Bleh!. Awoke today (Monday) at 7 in a lather of sweat and went back to sleep until 12 when I awoke in a puddle. At my worst until around 4 when there was a huge improvement! Feeling good now at almost 7 pm after a big dinner!

OH felt absolutely no different, and really didn't do sympathy much! I think I heard the word "Pussy" mentioned a time or two....

Have you had covid and they didn't?

Most people get a nasty reaction on the 2nd dose of Pfizer unless they had Covid, then the reaction is to dose 1. You may get your "told you so' in a few weeks.

19-04-2021 7:56pm

For those in cohort 4, I got a call today for an appointment for 30 April. Moderna vaccine.

vienne86 · 19-04-2021 8:02pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I registered on Saturday . Just got an appointment for Thursday 22nd
Delighted ! Its really moving now

Fantastic news. Appointment given only two days after registration- that's pretty efficient.

embraer170 · 19-04-2021 8:22pm

Geuze wrote: »

I find this staggering.

I must lead a very dull life.

I know of two people who acquired coronavirus: one a relation aged about 80 who acquired it in hosp, and the son of a friend.

I must have a small circle of friends compared to other people.

35!!!! I can't get over that.

Depends on what one defines as friends I suppose.

I lead a fairly dull life but if I include friends, extended family (incl. in laws), and colleagues, I am probably around 40+.

From these, I am aware of two deaths.

iamwhoiam · 19-04-2021 8:31pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For those in cohort 4, I got a call today for an appointment for 30 April. Moderna vaccine.

Delighted for you !

Champagne Sally · 19-04-2021 8:32pm

Neighbour 65, registered this morning and got a text at 6pm for city west on Saturday . That’s great going!!

stephenjmcd · 19-04-2021 8:33pm

Champagne Sally wrote: »

Neighbour 65, registered this morning and got a text at 6pm for city west on Saturday . That’s great going!!

Very good.

All depends on the center nearest them and how quickly they get through the age groups

iamwhoiam · 19-04-2021 8:36pm

City west seem to be flying , getting texts all evening from people who have appointments for City West .

mugsymugsy · 19-04-2021 8:42pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

City west seem to be flying , getting texts all evening from people who have appointments for City West .

Yeah someone I know registered at weekend has appointment at city west for 24th

Wolf359f · 19-04-2021 8:45pm

I registered my dad on Friday, he got a txt Saturday morning with an appointment this Wednesday at City west!
Hopefully they can manage, they had large queues out the place last week. I'm not sure how quick they were getting people in and out.

PhilOssophy · 19-04-2021 8:53pm

Loving all this - best wishes to everybody with their appointment.
(Apparently a reaction to the vaccine is good - it means your immune system has been fired up. So don't worry too much!)

Tyrone212 · 19-04-2021 9:03pm

The Government is to wait until there is clarity on the use of the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine before deciding whether to further increase the gap between doses of other Covid-19 vaccines, Ministers have been told.

Ugh

plastic glass · 19-04-2021 9:06pm

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post but has anyone any advice if they know someone who is 70+ (73) and who has not yet got vaccinated and has been told by their doctor it will be at least 4 weeks until they will get the 1st dose?
I presume it’s not possible to register online in the 60-69 cohort? Are there any other avenues? She is obviously not looking to Q jump but all her friends and neighbours have been vaccinated including those who are younger. Different GPs it seems

GP is pure useless

Turtwig · 19-04-2021 9:09pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

(Apparently a reaction to the vaccine is good - it means your immune system has been fired up. So don't worry too much!)

Important to emphasise a large amount of people in the clinical trials developed no symptoms after the first or second dose. The vaccines still prevented severe illness. You don't necessarily need to feel a reaction for the vaccine to work.

ACitizenErased · 19-04-2021 9:09pm

I'd recommend ringing HSE Live if the GP is indeed useless as GPs are directing this cohort

LoCall: 1850 24 1850

Phone:01 240 8787

From outside Ireland or the UK: 00 3531 240 8787

Send your query by email to hselive@hse.ie.

PhilOssophy · 19-04-2021 9:12pm

Turtwig wrote: »

Important to emphasise a large amount of people in the clinical trials developed no symptoms after the first or second dose. The vaccines still prevented severe illness. You don't necessarily need to feel a reaction for the vaccine to work.

I didn't say you did! I'm just saying that plenty of people have reported symptoms and that they are nothing to worry about.

PhilOssophy · 19-04-2021 9:13pm

Tyrone212 wrote: »

The Government is to wait until there is clarity on the use of the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine before deciding whether to further increase the gap between doses of other Covid-19 vaccines, Ministers have been told.

Ugh

Makes perfect sense - no point risking not having enough vaccine to give the second shot if we can't use the J&J which is pending the green light.

Turtwig · 19-04-2021 9:15pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I didn't say you did! I'm just saying that plenty of people have reported symptoms and that they are nothing to worry about.

Oh yeah I know. I'm just appending your post. I'm not disagreeing with you here. I've just seen people anxious when they felt nothing thinking it might not have worked for them. We don't want people worrying about that either.

lbj666 · 19-04-2021 9:16pm

Tyrone212 wrote: »

The Government is to wait until there is clarity on the use of the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine before deciding whether to further increase the gap between doses of other Covid-19 vaccines, Ministers have been told.

Ugh

The reason they are giving is you unnessecarily prolongue the 2nd dose when doses are plentiful in the summer. Not buying it to be honest and there are definitely gains to be regardless, even if you narrow the gap again when into later cohorts

1huge1 · 19-04-2021 9:16pm

Fergal Bowers on the 9 O Clock news just there saying that the take up in the 65-69 age group online/phone has been a lot less than expected, hopefully it will continue to increase over the coming days for that age cohort even as the registration moves down the age list.

iamwhoiam · 19-04-2021 9:17pm

1huge1 wrote: »

Fergal Bowers on the 9 O Clock news just there saying that the take up in the 65-69 age group online/phone has been a lot less than expected, hopefully it will continue to increase over the coming days for that age cohort even as the registration moves down the age list.

Paul Reid on the 6 pm news said it was more than they anticipated ?

vienne86 · 19-04-2021 9:18pm

Wolf359f wrote: »

I registered my dad on Friday, he got a txt Saturday morning with an appointment this Wednesday at City west!
Hopefully they can manage, they had large queues out the place last week. I'm not sure how quick they were getting people in and out.

I'm up there tomorrow late afternoon.......I'll let you know what it's like.

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