Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Turtwig

godzilla89 wrote: »

Probably throwing down the anticoagulants as we speak

They'd exacerbate the situation.

odyssey06

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Merkel got first dose of AZ today. Not really news but shur.

Need to get that onto the news headlines to help with AZ skepticism here.

PhilOssophy

bucketybuck wrote: »

There really is far too much acceptance of poor performance these days, and we constantly see the KPI's creeping back with very little outcry. In January people were talking about the rollout ramping up in March and April, now it is May and June, soon it will be July and August and then we will be told that we can look forward to maybe getting our lives back in September or October.

There is such a disassociation with the effects of these lockdowns, we just get told that it will be another few months as if that is no big deal, but to hundreds of thousands of people it is a big deal, its a ****ing massive deal.

Are far as I am concerned the vaccine rollout should be the single most important thing happening in this country, the government ain't got **** to do but be on it. So why do we keep hearing people patting themselves on the back for such underwhelming numbers? Over 40's can get a vaccine tomorrow up North and we are cheering because 69 year olds are finally allowed to book an appointment? 96 year priests only getting jabbed last week? As Roy Keane would say, do me a favour.

I would actually say the vaccine rollout IS the single most important thing happening in the country.

I would also say, it isn't a valid comparison with the North. For a start, they aren't tied into the supply chain that we are (which was always going to be pot luck whether the UK or EU would do better on this regard). In addition, they had 113 positive tests yesterday - so they aren't exactly at zero covid. We probably had less cases per 100k than them yesterday.

Lastly, I would bet that if the HSE were given 4m doses tomorrow then we'd have such a huge ramp up of innoculations that we'd be done this in no time. Anybody who has been to an MVC says they are like clockwork.

A 96 year old not getting it is possibly a headline grabber without fully knowing why. There's always going to be outliers/edge cases.

The one thing we need - vaccine supply - is the one thing we can't control at the moment. And there is very little the HSE can do about that.

I think overall its working better than people give the (rightly) much maligned HSE credit for.

JDD

So three weeks to do the 65-69's, then perhaps 2/3 weeks to do the 60-64's?

Even if we got down to doing a five year batch in 10 days, with lots more supply and significant ramping of the vaccination centres, we won't have gotten much sub-50 by the time June is up.

Is that 80% of the adult population? It most certainly isn't.

By my back of the envelope calculations, 80% of the adult population is approximately 3 million. If 800k have gotten their first vaccine so far, we need to carry out 2.2m vaccinations in the next 10 weeks. We'll be spending 3 weeks doing the 65-69 age group - which is how many, 200k ish?

There is absolutely no way we are going to hit this target.

PhilOssophy

JDD wrote: »

So three weeks to do the 65-69's, then perhaps 2/3 weeks to do the 60-64's?

Even if we got down to doing a five year batch in 10 days, with lots more supply and significant ramping of the vaccination centres, we won't have gotten much sub-50 by the time June is up.

Is that 80% of the adult population? It most certainly isn't.

By my back of the envelope calculations, 80% of the adult population is approximately 3 million. If 800k have gotten their first vaccine so far, we need to carry out 2.2m vaccinations in the next 10 weeks. We'll be spending 3 weeks doing the 65-69 age group - which is how many, 200k ish?

There is absolutely no way we are going to hit this target.

Once there is enough supply, the ramping up will really begin. At the moment, the only blocker is vaccine supply.

They did 130k last week and the MVC's are nowhere near capacity I don't think.

To me, the only blocker to hitting this target is vaccine supply. I think everything else will be sorted.

I hope and think we'll be doing 24/7 vaccinations in a matter of weeks. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but once the supply is there to justify it, I don't see why not.

But I will gladly go at 3am for a vaccine if I get it quicker.

Health11

When will new heathcare workers and those who missed the 26th March deadline be allowed register again?

Multipass

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Merkel got first dose of AZ today. Not really news but shur.

What I find amazing about that is that she waited for her turn. I’m assuming our crowd classsed themselves as frontline and got the first batch, and their families, secretaries, golf partners

stephenjmcd

Multipass wrote: »

What I find amazing about that is that she waited for her turn. I’m assuming our crowd classsed themselves as frontline and got the first batch, and their families, secretaries, golf partners

Seeing as the cabinet hasn't been vaccinated then they didn't. MM getting AstraZeneca when it's open to 60 year olds

Tyrone212

JDD wrote: »

So three weeks to do the 65-69's, then perhaps 2/3 weeks to do the 60-64's?

Even if we got down to doing a five year batch in 10 days, with lots more supply and significant ramping of the vaccination centres, we won't have gotten much sub-50 by the time June is up.

Is that 80% of the adult population? It most certainly isn't.

By my back of the envelope calculations, 80% of the adult population is approximately 3 million. If 800k have gotten their first vaccine so far, we need to carry out 2.2m vaccinations in the next 10 weeks. We'll be spending 3 weeks doing the 65-69 age group - which is how many, 200k ish?

There is absolutely no way we are going to hit this target.

I read last week(maybe on here) 3.6m is the adult population 16+. I'm not sure what it is.

Multipass

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Seeing as the cabinet hasn't been vaccinated then they didn't. MM getting AstraZeneca when it's open to 60 year olds

Who knows for sure, I wouldn’t put anything past them.

bodhrandude

When will they be doing 50 - 59 high risk cohort 7, some have told me the starting of May, is this likely going to be pushed to the middle of May. I'd like to think once they have the 60 - 69 registered in portal that the next lot down can start registering while the 60's crowd is being vaccinated so at least we can have appointments. I'm not prepared to wait another bloody six weeks before using the portal.

Goldengirl

Not sure if posted already but interesting article about Pfizer and boosters.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-booster-shot-likely-needed-within-year-pfizer-chief-says-1.4539185?mode=amp

Edit. I see JTMan posted it earlier now, just catching up

11521323

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Once there is enough supply, the ramping up will really begin. At the moment, the only blocker is vaccine supply.

They did 130k last week and the MVC's are nowhere near capacity I don't think.

To me, the only blocker to hitting this target is vaccine supply. I think everything else will be sorted.

I hope and think we'll be doing 24/7 vaccinations in a matter of weeks. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but once the supply is there to justify it, I don't see why not.

But I will gladly go at 3am for a vaccine if I get it quicker.

"Once there is enough supply" - we were told it was going to be April, if you check the date, we're currently 16 days in and it's still the same crock of ****.

stephenjmcd

bodhrandude wrote: »

When will they be doing 50 - 59 high risk cohort 7, some have told me the starting of May, is this likely going to be pushed to the middle of May. I'd like to think once they have the 60 - 69 registered in portal that the next lot down can start registering while the 60's crowd is being vaccinated so at least we can have appointments. I'm not prepared to wait another bloody six weeks before using the portal.

2 different vaccines being used. Parallel rollout in group 7.

Group 7 also won't be using the portal as it stands, it's GP lead.

bodhrandude

stephenjmcd wrote: »

2 different vaccines being used. Parallel rollout in group 7.

Group 7 also won't be using the portal as it stands, it's GP lead.

So it will just be my local GP contacting me then, all good then.

ACitizenErased

bodhrandude wrote: »

When will they be doing 50 - 59 high risk cohort 7, some have told me the starting of May, is this likely going to be pushed to the middle of May. I'd like to think once they have the 60 - 69 registered in portal that the next lot down can start registering while the 60's crowd is being vaccinated so at least we can have appointments. I'm not prepared to wait another bloody six weeks before using the portal.

Group 7 18-64 is starting last week in April / first week in May, HSE said yesterday.

stephenjmcd

bodhrandude wrote: »

So it will just be my local GP contacting me then, all good then.

For group 7 yeah as it stands now

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout/rollout.html

"GPs will vaccinate this group, once they have completed Group 4 - people at very high risk.

How you will get your vaccine
Your GP will contact you when it’s your turn to be vaccinated."

Goldengirl

bodhrandude wrote: »

When will they be doing 50 - 59 high risk cohort 7, some have told me the starting of May, is this likely going to be pushed to the middle of May. I'd like to think once they have the 60 - 69 registered in portal that the next lot down can at least register while the 60's crowd is being vaccinated so at least we can have appointments. I'm not prepared to wait another bloody six weeks for this.

It was expected that the high risk under 65s would be done concurrently with the 60 to 65s, starting 3rd May.
My husband is in this group also and he has been told by the hospital to expect an appointment after that date.
However GPs have said yesterday on webinar that they now don't have a clue what is happening and are waiting for clarity about 2nd doses for over 70s, whether they will be pushed out to 6 weeks or further, and so no movement on appointments until that is sorted.
At this rate those not vulnerable registered on the portal appear to be getting more clarity than at risk groups

Bubbaclaus

11521323 wrote: »

"Once there is enough supply" - we were told it was going to be April, if you check the date, we're currently 16 days in and it's still the same crock of ****.

There was going to be 180k done this week before the AZ situation. A ramp up is very clearly happening.

stephenjmcd

EMA J&J conclusion and recommendations due Tuesday

https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/1383074354913804289?s=19

lbj666

11521323 wrote: »

"Once there is enough supply" - we were told it was going to be April, if you check the date, we're currently 16 days in and it's still the same crock of ****.

Write an angry letter to the manufacturer's there

PhilOssophy

Multipass wrote: »

Who knows for sure, I wouldn’t put anything past them.

You'll be well and truly sickened if MM does it live on air, won't you?

PhilOssophy

11521323 wrote: »

"Once there is enough supply" - we were told it was going to be April, if you check the date, we're currently 16 days in and it's still the same crock of ****.

Told what for April?

funnydoggy

11521323 wrote: »

"Once there is enough supply" - we were told it was going to be April, if you check the date, we're currently 16 days in and it's still the same crock of ****.

:rolleyes:


This post could also be called the same crock of ****. This has been discussed ad nauseam here.

Multipass

PhilOssophy wrote: »

You'll be well and truly sickened if MM does it live on air, won't you?

Not at all, research suggests mixing Pfizer with Astrozeneca is beneficial.

PhilOssophy

lbj666 wrote: »

Write an angry letter to the manufacturer's there

Or just go straight to the top, 1850 715 815

crossman47

Multipass wrote: »

What I find amazing about that is that she waited for her turn. I’m assuming our crowd classsed themselves as frontline and got the first batch, and their families, secretaries, golf partners

They didn't but IMO they should have. So should Merkel. They're all afraid of the media mob now.

PhilOssophy

Multipass wrote: »

Not at all, research suggests mixing Pfizer with Astrozeneca is beneficial.

So when he gets the second one live on air, you'll have some other "oh well...." type nonsense to spout!

Multipass

PhilOssophy wrote: »

So when he gets the second one live on air, you'll have some other "oh well...." type nonsense to spout!

He could have 3 or 4, I don’t care, it wouldn’t make me more likely to believe a word the liar says.

Goldengirl

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Coming back to this, the Independent running it as the main headline, interesting to note that its only them running it as a headline.

Anyway I've had a read through it and to be honest Paul Reid would have been better off saying nothing. Firstly he says it was always their intention for June but that the new rollout plan changed things. Well if its always been June I don't see how this new plan changed things if its still June.

Secondly it's caveated with the usual, maybes, ifs and buts. J&J brings it all forward again and he says it himself & they still need to clarify the additional Pfizer supply he said they don't know when they'll arrive.

He'd been as well to say look this is the next 4 weeks, it's over 60s & the medically vulnerable and have said nothing more after that, by opening his mouth with so many caveats he's given 2 of the worst journalists in the Independent (Eilish O’Regan and Gabija Gataveckaitė) a headline to run with.

For all he knows the plan could change again with J&J & I'd expect it to.

Agreed. Deal with those high risk groups first then when it is clearer where they are at, publicise what's next.
Soo much may have changed in the rollout in the next 6 weeks, from spacing vaccine doses, to whether J&J is still on board, that predicting further at this stage is not on.
I do think those 2 journalists and a few others are stirring though.
That Gabija is just painful to listen to, trying to eke sensational headline grabbing statements out of Glynn et Al at the briefings.
They are on to her now though