Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

funnydoggy

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’ll give you a hint. Something that helps your car stop ( spelt differently but sounds the same) and something McD’s have as an alternative to sitting down and eating. Then put the 2 words together :pac:

Boulder-delivery :pac::D;)

PhilOssophy

Widescreen wrote: »

Would love to be positive and have just had one dose of the vaccine no one wants about two weeks ago and so far so good!

However, we had a"meaningful xmas" that proved meaningless! We are still paying for that four months later! Some decision that was!

There is too much talk of opening this, opening that again at the moment , the case numbers and deaths are high still no matter what way it is spun. I want things back to normal ASAP believe me and I don't think I could stomach being told to go back to another lockdown in October

However, as so few have been vaccinated here I don't think we can think of intercounty travel and other things like shops/pubs open until at least 80% have two doses . Virus will just rip through us again otherwise.

I would rather be cautious and then open up hopefully by Aug/Sept and stay open.

But even 1 dose basically reduces the deaths, hospitalisations and ICU cases to practically zero. This has been the main driver since day 1.

January was terrible but at that stage, a handful of doses had been administered and none of the vulnerable people had them. Now, most of these have them.

While I agree caution is needed, once we reach the point where the health service can return to its normal dysfunction, then its time for everything to open up. The virus won't just "rip through us" when people have been vaccinated. That just won't happen.

mfceiling

crossman47 wrote: »

Have you not noticed it has started? The note re the pair aged 72 is a hint.

Considering the radio last week was saying all over 70's are vaccinated and they're doing the over 60's it's fair to say it's still incredibly slow here.

Bubbaclaus

Kumejima wrote: »

Great to see one of my old parish priests in the paper last week at the ripe old age of 96 setting a good example by getting his vaccine in front of the paper's photographer to inspire others to do the right thing.

He was in the paper again this week. They ran a glowing obituary for him.

Let's hope his sacrifice will not be in vain

Guess what? Up to 30,000 people are going to die in Ireland within a year of getting a covid vaccine, a few thousand within a month of getting it.

And that is perfectly normal, as thats our usual death rates. This vaccine isn't a cure for death.

crossman47

mfceiling wrote: »

Considering the radio last week was saying all over 70's are vaccinated and they're doing the over 60's it's fair to say it's still incredibly slow here.

Slow perhaps. Incredibly slow - no.

ACitizenErased

Serious uptake from 69 year olds yesterday with 30,000+ registered. Take into account that age group is already partially covered by the high risk cohort then I’d say we’ll have 85-90% uptake which is fantastic.

funnydoggy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Serious uptake from 69 year olds yesterday with 30,000+ registered. Take into account that age group is already partially covered by the high risk cohort then I’d say we’ll have 85-90% uptake which is fantastic.

Absolutely fantastic stuff!

Multipass

Widescreen wrote: »

Would love to be positive and have just had one dose of the vaccine no one wants about two weeks ago and so far so good!

However, we had a"meaningful xmas" that proved meaningless! We are still paying for that four months later! Some decision that was!

There is too much talk of opening this, opening that again at the moment , the case numbers and deaths are high still no matter what way it is spun. I want things back to normal ASAP believe me and I don't think I could stomach being told to go back to another lockdown in October

However, as so few have been vaccinated here I don't think we can think of intercounty travel and other things like shops/pubs open until at least 80% have two doses . Virus will just rip through us again otherwise.

I would rather be cautious and then open up hopefully by Aug/Sept and stay open.

Inter county travel is already happening, and having shops open would be no different to the packed supermarkets we already have. If we don’t open till Aug/Sept we’ve thrown away the summer, and by then we’re going to see the natural rise of respiratory illness, and it’ll be hyped into another wave and lockdown.

Widescreen

PhilOssophy wrote: »

But even 1 dose basically reduces the deaths, hospitalisations and ICU cases to practically zero. This has been the main driver since day 1.

January was terrible but at that stage, a handful of doses had been administered and none of the vulnerable people had them. Now, most of these have them.

While I agree caution is needed, once we reach the point where the health service can return to its normal dysfunction, then its time for everything to open up. The virus won't just "rip through us" when people have been vaccinated. That just won't happen.

Hopefully your right, but I think May is too early for re openings currently being mentioned and there is an element of the calendar dictating the openings schedule rather than the actual situation on the ground with the virus. Virus is so dangerous, remember the first surge in Italy and that virus was no where near as transmissible as current variants we are lead to believe. Caution has to be the byword for another while I think.

stephenjmcd

Impressive given the lack of AZ this week.

Would have been an excellent week with it

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1383017254967779329?s=19

IrishStuff09

Much better than expected on Wednesday, after AZ appointments were cancelled

https://twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1383017254967779329?s=21

stephenjmcd

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Much better than expected on Wednesday, after AZ appointments were cancelled

https://twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1383017254967779329?s=21

Pleasantly surprised to be honest

Bubbaclaus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Serious uptake from 69 year olds yesterday with 30,000+ registered. Take into account that age group is already partially covered by the high risk cohort then I’d say we’ll have 85-90% uptake which is fantastic.

The one piece of caution would be that anyone over 65 could actually sign up yesterday, and you would assume there will be some 65-68 year old that decided to sign up yesterday. So you cannot really assume everyone that signed up yesterday is 69.

Russman

godzilla89 wrote: »

Perspective is needed too, we are vaccinating close too 200,000 a week now? and 2,000 a week are getting infected, most of them are asymptomatic, as hospitalisations are still plummeting daily, added to that over 1,000,000 have been vaccinated first dose and 242,000 have natural immunity

We are being far too cautious now, opening up will not turn us into Italy.

Eh ??

Charles Babbage

Not much difference now in the proportions vaccinated in EU countries, bar a couple of laggards. Hungary and Malta have been buying extras.

Russman

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The one piece of caution would be that anyone over 65 could actually sign up yesterday, and you would assume there will be some 65-68 year old that decided to sign up yesterday. So you cannot really assume everyone that signed up yesterday is 69.

Was it not only the 69s who could sign up yesterday ? followed by the 68s today, 67s tomorrow etc ?
Unless of course there was an IT glitch which is possible I suppose !

funnydoggy

https://twitter.com/irelandvaccine/status/1383016839027040256?s=21


More than 1 in 5 aged 16+ have had their first shot. YEOW!

Kumejima

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Guess what? Up to 30,000 people are going to die in Ireland within a year of getting a covid vaccine, a few thousand within a month of getting it.

And that is perfectly normal, as thats our usual death rates. This vaccine isn't a cure for death.

But its not meant to be a cause of death, either.


Like in this guys case.



Now of course these two events could be COMPLETELY unrelated. Maybe most 96 year old deaths don't occur after weeks if not months of being bedridden and waiting for the end.



Maybe most of them are hale and hearty enough to be up and about getting their photograph taken by the papers on a Monday and are dead on a Friday. Maybe thats how most people 95+ go out.


Maybe you're the kind of guy who can eat in a dodgy curry house and suffer explosive diarrhea 12 hours later and think "Hmm, what could have brought than on out of the blue?"





If conspiracy theorists impose a twisted logic or pattern out of completely random events, most of you guys here are coincidence theorists.


There is a cause and effect which is staring you right in the face, but you put it down to chance. You're so invested in one reality ( vaccines are our saviour), that any negative evidence to the contrary is just dismissed even if its clear as day.




Can't you admit that there might be a link between this man being in fine fettle for 96 years right up to the day of his vaccination and then punching out 3-4 days later? Nothing flagging? Really?

Strazdas

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Not much difference now in the proportions vaccinated in EU countries, bar a couple of laggards. Hungary and Malta have been buying extras.

That's actually a sign the EU procurement is working well. If EU countries were competing against each other, that chart would be all over the place with huge discrepancies.

PhilOssophy

Widescreen wrote: »

Hopefully your right, but I think May is too early for re openings currently being mentioned and there is an element of the calendar dictating the openings schedule rather than the actual situation on the ground with the virus. Virus is so dangerous, remember the first surge in Italy and that virus was no where near as transmissible as current variants we are lead to believe. Caution has to be the byword for another while I think.

Why though? Lets be realistic - by the end of this month, all the vulnerable age groups will be vaccinated. Yes we need to be cautious - I am not suggesting we re-open night clubs and let 500 unvaccinated 18-25 years olds in - but continuing a lock down once all the vulnerable age groups and people will underlying health conditions have got it, is just ridiculous.

While I appreciate there are people with vulnerable kids, etc - there were always these. We can at very least open everything up to outdoor activities, and NPHET have already said there is no issue with fully vaccinated people meeting up indoors.

We simply can't keep our society locked down forever - the financial hit has to be considered here too given the pressure for funding in the health service, etc. The money has to come from some where.

By the end of June, there will be more people killed weekly in road accidents than Covid - we don't just block the roads.

PhilOssophy

Strazdas wrote: »

That's actually a sign the EU procurement is working well. If EU countries were competing against each other, that chart would be all over the place with huge discrepancies.

Yep and Hungary can hang on to their Sputnik V, thank you very much!

Strazdas

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Yep and Hungary can hang on to their Sputnik V, thank you very much!

Yes, isn't there talk now that they were sent dodgy batches and not the actual stuff that was peer reviewed in the studies?

Hmmzis

Kumejima wrote: »

But its not meant to be a cause of death, either.


Like in this guys case.



Now of course these two events could be COMPLETELY unrelated. Maybe most 96 year old deaths don't occur after weeks if not months of being bedridden and waiting for the end.



Maybe most of them are hale and hearty enough to be up and about getting their photograph taken by the papers on a Monday and are dead on a Friday. Maybe thats how most people 95+ go out.


Maybe you're the kind of guy who can eat in a dodgy curry house and suffer explosive diarrhea 12 hours later and think "Hmm, what could have brought than on out of the blue?"





If conspiracy theorists impose a twisted logic or pattern out of completely random events, most of you guys here are coincidence theorists.


There is a cause and effect which is staring you right in the face, but you put it down to chance. You're so invested in one reality ( vaccines are our saviour), that any negative evidence to the contrary is just dismissed even if its clear as day.




Can't you admit that there might be a link between this man being in fine fettle for 96 years right up to the day of his vaccination and then punching out 3-4 days later? Nothing flagging? Really?

What you are displaying is confirmation bias. You're looking at one particular case without much detail on it and are extrapolating things that cannot be extrapolated from it. I'd let the medical people examine the exact cause of death.

That said, it's common for people of a certain age to die due to their age, bedridden or not.

PhilOssophy

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, isn't there talk now that they were sent dodgy batches and not the actual stuff that was peer reviewed in the studies?

There is all sorts of talk about the clinical trial being manipulated and the like. I am a 0% conspiracy theorist but I would not trust the Russians for 1 second in this.

Bubbaclaus

Russman wrote: »

Was it not only the 69s who could sign up yesterday ? followed by the 68s today, 67s tomorrow etc ?
Unless of course there was an IT glitch which is possible I suppose !

They asked only 69 year olds to register yesterday in order to not crash the system, but there was nothing stopping 65-68 year olds signing up. It opened for the full cohort yesterday.

As an example, my 65 year old mother registered this morning (she was registering my 68 year old father and just decided to sort her own at the same time)

Valhallapt

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Impressive given the lack of AZ this week.

Would have been an excellent week with it

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1383017254967779329?s=19

This is great, we need to continue on this trajectory, if we start hitting 35k doses a week, we’ll be able to have a pretty relaxed summer

PhilOssophy

Kumejima wrote: »

If conspiracy theorists impose a twisted logic or pattern out of completely random events, most of you guys here are coincidence theorists.

But that is what you did - you picked 1 sample, imposed a twisted logic to twist it in to something it isn't.

How many more per 100/100,000 vaccines given to 90+ year olds back up this claim?

Corholio

Valhallapt wrote: »

This is great, we need to continue on this trajectory, if we start hitting 35k doses a week, we’ll be able to have a pretty relaxed summer

I'd be hoping for more than that :P

bucketybuck

Widescreen wrote: »

I would rather be cautious and then open up hopefully by Aug/Sept and stay open.

I have to ask, what is your profession? Martial status?

Its a valid question, because it is easy to be cautious when the bills are paid and you have people to talk to in the evenings.

Furze99

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Great to see such positivity about things. Covid numbers, vaccines, all going the right way.
We'll be out of this by the end of the summer, if not sooner.
Great thread - keep the good news coming.
Happy Friday.

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