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Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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    #6002
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    MFPM wrote: »
    So we should do the same with all parents - if junior acts up you're going to jail?

    Diff rules for foreign nationals


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    #6003
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Omackeral wrote: »
    No listen, you can hold that view if you want. Not having a go at you. I personally disagree with it. If it went to a vote, I wouldn't back it. However, just because I disagree with it doesn't mean now that I think you're mates with someone else I'm disagreeing with... which is what some other very tolerant person on this thread does it would seem.

    Havnt a notion what you are on about


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    #6004
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Dante7 wrote: »
    I'm calling bull**** on the narrative that is being put forward about the Nigerian lad getting a hiding in the carwash. A wrapped wrench was used in the attack. That seems targetted and planned and not a random racist attack. He said he was called a monkey. I don't buy that. That is not the language that would be used in an attack like this. I suspect that there is a bit more going on here.

    I noticed how the word "alleged" wasn't used once in the article.


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    #6005
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Havnt a notion what you are on about

    That's ok, you don't seem to be the brightest bulb on the ceiling anyway. What I'm trying to say is that it's possible to be in agreement on some things and not on others. It's in relation to the poster MPFM saying that you and I are mates because he/she thinks we're on ''the same side''.


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    #6006
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Omackeral wrote: »
    That's ok, you don't seem to be the brightest bulb on the ceiling anyway. What I'm trying to say is that it's possible to be in agreement on some things and not on others. It's in relation to the poster MPFM saying that you and I are mates because he/she thinks we're on ''the same side''.

    I’m not on anyone’s side


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    #6007
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Just to be crystal clear. I fcuking despise racists more than anything but out-and-out apologists are a very close second.


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    #6008
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    Dante7 wrote: »
    I'm calling bull**** on the narrative that is being put forward about the Nigerian lad getting a hiding in the carwash. A wrapped wrench was used in the attack. That seems targetted and planned and not a random racist attack. He said he was called a monkey. I don't buy that. That is not the language that would be used in an attack like this. I suspect that there is a bit more going on here.

    It was a great coincidence there just happened to be a racist attack at the same time as the African gangs went viral thats all I'll say.

    I don't of course think for one second that we have our own Jussie Smollet.


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    #6009
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    What are you suggesting here?

    at the start of this thread it was suggested by multiple persons that this young person was a member of a family which was involved in organised crime in finglas in some way

    that would suggest to me that this innocent young darling child may not be quite so innocent which would not be surprised .

    however at the end of the day these groups of African boys rampaging around the city should be handled head on before we pass the point of no return


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    #6010
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    I was a great coincidence there just happened to be a racist attack at the same time as the African gangs went viral thats all I'll say.

    I don't of course think for one second that we have our own Jussie Smollet.

    "He called me a monkey".
    No he didn't. You made that up. That is not the language of a Dublin racist. That is the language of someone trying to pretend that it was a racist attack.


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    #6011
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Dante7 wrote: »
    "He called me a monkey".
    No he didn't. You made that up. That is not the language of a Dublin racist. That is the language of someone trying to pretend that it was a racist attack.

    I have to respectfully disagree with you here Dante, that's a word I've heard used more than a few times against black people in Dublin. It's very possible it was used in this incident.


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    #6012
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    I have to respectfully disagree with you here Dante, that's a word I've heard used more than a few times against black people in Dublin. It's very possible it was used in this incident.

    No problem and fair enough. I just have never heard that particular form of racist slur being used in Dublin. I have never, ever heard a Dublin person call a black person a monkey.


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    #6013
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Dante7 wrote: »
    No problem and fair enough. I just have never heard that particular form of racist slur being used in Dublin. I have never, ever heard a Dublin person call a black person a monkey.

    Regardless of that anyway, the indo were only too happy to go with the racist angle, for a fella who is "lucky to be alive" he doesn't look too bad, did someone say a wrench was used? I'd expect to be seeing head and face injuries.


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    #6014
    SporadicMan
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭SporadicMan


    Is African immigration really worth it for Ireland?

    They seem to resent being here given the frequency of crime in their youth relative to how many there are. (Gangs of 40+ *kids*, how can you even assemble a gang that big?)

    What do we actually gain from having them immigrate here? Their employment numbers are abysmal, the tension between native population and them seems to be getting higher every year.

    I'm struggling to understand why this immigration is beneficial for us as a country. Shouldn't we be aiming to take high skilled immigrants only? What's in it for us to allow them to come here?


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    #6015
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    SporadicMan wrote: »
    Is African immigration really worth it for Ireland?

    They seem to resent being here given the frequency of crime in their youth relative to how many there are. (Gangs of 40+ *kids*, how can you even assemble a gang that big?)

    What do we actually gain from having them immigrate here? Their employment numbers are abysmal, the tension between native population and them seems to be getting higher every year.

    I'm struggling to understand why this immigration is beneficial for us as a country. Shouldn't we be aiming to take high skilled immigrants only? What's in it for us to allow them to come here?

    Well, if you live in Foxrock or other leafy suburbs this will never effect you. It's easy to virtue signal.

    Recent study has shown that economic migrants and asylum seekers benefit higher earners but have a negative effect on lower income people. They leap frog them in housing lists and other social benefits. This is a huge problem for SF and other socialist parties. Their vote base is being is getting pushed down the list in favour of migrants.


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    #6016
    Effects
    Registered Users Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Effects


    Dante7 wrote: »
    I just have never heard that particular form of racist slur being used in Dublin. I have never, ever heard a Dublin person call a black person a monkey.

    What slur do Dublin people use instead?


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    #6017
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    dav3 wrote: »
    Well you should report them here.

    https://www.ireport.ie/report-racist-incidents/

    I've heard that on certain websites, some moderators like to throw their considerable weight around when determining what is, or isn't "racism". Even moderators not involved with a particular sub-forum.

    But yes, it's shocking all the crime these days. If only we could go back to the good old days.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, i'm off to report some racism online.

    Perhaps you could report some racist black lads who nearly murdered an innocent white kid, if you're not too busy like.


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    #6018
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    I feel sorry for you Dave.

    I don't.. I wonder would his pov change if that gange ever crossed his path.


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    #6019
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    SporadicMan wrote: »
    Is African immigration really worth it for Ireland?

    They seem to resent being here given the frequency of crime in their youth relative to how many there are. (Gangs of 40+ *kids*, how can you even assemble a gang that big?)

    What do we actually gain from having them immigrate here? Their employment numbers are abysmal, the tension between native population and them seems to be getting higher every year.

    I'm struggling to understand why this immigration is beneficial for us as a country. Shouldn't we be aiming to take high skilled immigrants only? What's in it for us to allow them to come here?

    We gain almost nothing from it.

    What it does do is perpetually suppress wages., perpetually drive up rents and property prices, divide communities, create huge pressure on public services and destroy national identity.

    The real reason for mass immigration is that the EU wishes to erase nation states and create a class of consumer unit citizens. More people means more debt, more consumers, its basically a human based ponzi scheme.

    People will call me a conspiracy theorist but our own Peter Sutherland 'the father of globalism' said a few years ago that "we must do our best to undermine national homogeneity"

    The purpose of this will erase any national resistance to the onslaught of globalism as there will be little national solidarity from any nations as there will be a multitude of competing identities within each nation.

    Many, many Irish people will enthusiastically endorse this under the guise of 'diversity' until the time comes when they are in a minority and realise they have no political (voting) power as a group and are at the mercy of groups who do not share their cultural, political or social justice interests.

    Then the penny will drop but it will be too late.


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    #6020
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,666 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    givyjoe wrote: »
    I don't.. I wonder would his pov change if that gange ever crossed his path.

    Doubtful People like that (who resort to veiled legal threats because their virtue-signalling isn't validated) always value ideology over reality.

    If something DID ever happen to people ike that, they'd likely find a way to blame "us" for turning the poor misunderstood souls into aggressive malcontents or something :rolleyes:


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    #6021
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Effects wrote: »
    What slur do Dublin people use instead?

    Well, if they were giving a hiding to a gang member who was terrorising a community they would tend to say, "Do it again and we will f*ckin kill you and burn you and your family out". They don't tend to say, "Oh, you monkey".


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    #6022
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Dante7 wrote: »
    Well, if you live in Foxrock or other leafy suburbs this will never effect you. It's easy to virtue signal.

    Recent study has shown that economic migrants and asylum seekers benefit higher earners but have a negative effect on lower income people. They leap frog them in housing lists and other social benefits. This is a huge problem for SF and other socialist parties. Their vote base is being is getting pushed down the list in favour of migrants.

    Where can I read that study ?


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    #6023
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    Dante7 wrote: »
    Well, if you live in Foxrock or other leafy suburbs this will never effect you. It's easy to virtue signal.

    Recent study has shown that economic migrants and asylum seekers benefit higher earners but have a negative effect on lower income people. They leap frog them in housing lists and other social benefits. This is a huge problem for SF and other socialist parties. Their vote base is being is getting pushed down the list in favour of migrants.

    Ultimately no one in Ireland will be able to escape. Its too small a country.

    Simon Coveney, a few years ago said that every town in Ireland will be diverse and any trip to any medium sized Irish town will confirm this.
    There will be no 'white flight' in Ireland as there will be nowhere to avoid the inevitable.

    Its true that migrants benefit higher earners, or to be precise 'the Capitalist Class' and 'the property Class'

    Look at the likes of People Before Profit and The Social Democrats and Sinn Fein.

    They all advocate for more immigration (no upper limit according to SF) and 'Houses for all'

    What does this mean? Endless profits for the property and Capitalist class.

    Are these parties Socialist as they claim to be?

    Are they f*ck

    Follow the money.


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    #6024
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Where can I read that study ?

    On your phone, if you care to search.


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    #6025
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Dante7 wrote: »
    On your phone, if you care to search.

    I'm particularly interested in how they leap frog people on the housing lists , guide me where I should look ?


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    #6026
    Effects
    Registered Users Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Effects


    Dante7 wrote: »
    On your phone, if you care to search.

    Why search when you could just provide your source?
    There's lots of studies out there. Make it easy.


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    #6027
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    corner of hells wrote: »
    I'm particularly interested in how they leap frog people on the housing lists , guide me where I should look ?

    Ah, so you and the other user, "Effects" are engaging in Sealioning. You want to send me off on an internet odyssey to retrieve information that you already know exists. When I come back with these facts, you will just ignore them and move the goalposts again, and ask for more stats.

    Can you please provide me with the facts that prove that asylum seekers and economic migrants do not leap frog the indigenous population on housing lists. I'll wait.


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    #6028
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    corner of hells wrote: »
    I'm particularly interested in how they leap frog people on the housing lists , guide me where I should look ?

    "The meeting on Monday was attended by Minister of State for Integration David Stanton, who on Wednesday said local people were “extremely positive and supportive” of the project, which is likely to see the town become one of 10 that will take in a Syrian family. A private house will be identified and fitted out before the family moves in.

    Mr Stanton said there had “absolutely not” been any protests or negative developments as a result of a Syrian family, the al-Fakirs, recently moving to Dunshaughlin, Co Meath, as part of the project.

    “We were overwhelmed by the welcome and outpouring of love that we encountered on our arrival, and since,” Zuhair al-Fakir said.

    The project is part of the Government’s commitment to resettle 4,000 Syrians from UN refugee camps. The Department of Justice said there would be a “stringent vetting process” before families were invited to Ireland."



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/protest-galvanises-plan-to-invite-syrian-family-to-lismore-1.3816858%3fmode=amp


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    #6029
    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I hate to agree with the naysayers, I remember being 17 and going into town and loving the diversity but it’s gonna end in disaster. The Polish and whoever else are economic migrants close to home, it’s a different type of migration, for the Africans it’s a different dynamic completely.


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    #6030
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    Dante7 wrote: »
    Ah, so you and the other user, "Effects" are engaging in Sealioning. You want to send me off on an internet odyssey to retrieve information that you already know exists. When I come back with these facts, you will just ignore them and move the goalposts again, and ask for more stats.

    Can you please provide me with the facts that prove that asylum seekers and economic migrants do not leap frog the indigenous population on housing lists. I'll wait.

    The Irish Refugee Initiative.

    Signed in 2017
    The Irish Refugee Sponsorship Initiative is part of The Global Refugee Sponsorship Initiative which is .. " a joint initiative led by the Government of Canada; the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) , the Open Society Foundations; the Giustra Foundation; and the University of Ottawa " ... [link]

    It was announced in September 2016 following the UN Summit for Refugees and Migrants 2016, and officially launched in December 2016 in Ottawa, Canada.

    Ireland signed up to the initiative through Minister for Justice Charles Flanagan and David Stanton, Minister of State for Immigration .

    Only 4 Other Countries have enrolled in the programme so far .. Argentina , New zealand , the UK and its founder Canada .

    As part of our membership , Ireland has agreed that in addition to our existing intake of refugees and asylum seekers (through the refugee protection programme and asylum system) , a new system would be established which will be led by the private sector , various NGOs and Lobbiests .

    Under the new system , private organisations or sponsors apply to the government to bring in migrants/refugees from various migrant camps in Europe , Africa or the Middle East . The arrivals bypass the asylum process and are given direct housing , employment and schooling by their sponsors .


    Statistics from the Office of the Refugee Applications Commissioner show that between 20/11/2000 and 31/12/2016 , there were 76,547 asylum applications processed in Ireland making Ireland one the highest intakers of asylum seekers per head of population of any country in the EU .


    Edit: that reply was meant for someone else.


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    #6031
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    corner of hells wrote: »
    I'm particularly interested in how they leap frog people on the housing lists , guide me where I should look ?

    https://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/news/joint-statement-regional-support-organisations-welcome-official-launch-by-minister-stanton-of-community-sponsorship/7002

    quote

    'The supports include meeting people at the airport; providing a warm welcome and cultural orientation; providing housing; furniture; supporting access to medical and social services; English language tuition; and support towards employment and self-sufficiency. Such initiatives not only provide a real future for the refugees themselves but also have proven to bring communities closer together'

    They do not languish on housing lists, they go directly into housing.


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