RSA ad on unaccompanied L drivers

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:08am

road_high wrote: »

You know it’s possible to feel for both here. As posters have been at pains to point out but you’ve made the girl the focus of your considerable ire and indeed, vengeance

Vengeance from me? What are you talking about? She did nothing to me.

She doesn't deserve to be 'felt for' though. The courts basically letting her off was enough sympathy for her.

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 1:08am

Patww79 wrote: »

Mercy, compassion, or empathy? For who exactly?

You seem awful worried about the person that caused the deaths rather than the two people she killed or the family she took them from.

Your comments are vile. Almost frightening. You’re wishing torture on a person who made a serious mistake and has been punished for it in a court of law. It must be wonderful to be you. To have never made a mistake.
What’s great is that others on this thread see your posts for the abomination that they are, and are calling you on it.

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 1:09am

splinter65 wrote: »

And he was 40 with a long term job that involved a lot of driving but seemed to be comfortable with drinking 9 pints in the middle of the day. The girl was 21 trying to get practice driving while doing her 12 compulsory lessons.

by driving unaccompanied? And her with the legal qualification...

Needles73 · 06-01-2019 1:09am

Patww79 wrote: »

Mercy, compassion, or empathy? For who exactly?

You seem awful worried about the person that caused the deaths rather than the two people she killed or the family she took them from.

Let’s be very clear. I sympathize with the father without his wife and daughter. But you seem hell bent on punishment. I’m sure the driver involved agonises over what happened. Would you feel the same if it was your son or daughter that was driving ? Would you wish them to agonize over what happened till there last breath.

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 1:10am

Patww79 wrote: »

Vengeance from me? What are you talking about? She did nothing to me.

Pat go back and read your posts. You’re practically foaming at the mouth.

Father Hernandez · 06-01-2019 1:10am

Patww79 wrote: »

And they both were in the wrong and killed people.

I see your point as they were both technically in the wrong.

However, when I did my theory test and applied for my full license a number of years ago, I did 3 lessons, passed and that was that.

This woman had done 9 out of 12. If she’d of been in the same boat 7/8 years ago, she could have sat her full test and be fully qualified, driven unaccompanied.

gctest50 · 06-01-2019 1:10am

JeffKenna wrote: »

Which the unaccompanied driver drove straight through and took out the other car with such impact to knock it over the bridge into the field...

Their car went through a gap in the wall that was there for years

road_high · 06-01-2019 1:10am

Patww79 wrote: »

Vengeance from me? What are you talking about? She did nothing to me.

You just said in repeated posts you wanted her to wake up daily thinking about what she did. If that’s not vengeance/seeking I’m not sure what is

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 1:11am

Needles73 wrote: »

Let’s be very clear. I sympathize with the father without his wife and daughter. But you seem hell bent on punishment. I’m sure the driver involved agonises over what happened. Would you feel the same if it was your son or daughter that was driving ? Would you wish them to agonize over what happened till there last breath.

You’d need the ability to empathize to do that and I fear it’s sadly lacking here.

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 1:11am

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Some of the comments on here are vile about the young woman.

She made a massive massive error of judgement that day that she has to live with with for the rest of her days. The fact she knows the family too only adds to it, each morning waking up to it.

Personally, I think there could & should have been other ways the RSA created an ad focusing on unaccompanied drivers. Previously, they’ve used actors, why not in case for unaccompanied drivers.

The ‘real life’ ads focusing on drink drivers I agree with as these drunk drivers know the consequences getting behind the wheel drunk. In this specific case I don’t agree.

Some people believe driving with drink taken isn't a problem, some believe inexperienced drivers driving alone isn't a problem...

gctest50 · 06-01-2019 1:12am

They were only about a kilometer from home

Is this blind bridge on their land ?

JeffKenna · 06-01-2019 1:13am

gctest50 wrote: »

Their car went through a gap in the wall that was there for years

What kind of speed would it take to cause that kind of force?
I also think the wall was damaged as opposed to a gaping gap.

Stephen15 · 06-01-2019 1:13am

There have been some fairly gruesome road safety up North like the one which showed a class of children being killed a couple of years ago that aired on UTV pretty harrowing stuff. In recent I have noticed a shift away from road safety ads being horror show depicting gruesome scenes of people being killed or seriously injured in crashes but more of a move towards focusing on the personal stories of those who have had lived ones killed in car accidents.

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 1:13am

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I see your point as they were both technically in the wrong.

However, when I did my theory test and applied for my full license a number of years ago, I did 3 lessons, passed and that was that.

This woman had done 9 out of 12. If she’d of been in the same boat 7/8 years ago, she could have sat her full test and be fully qualified, driven unaccompanied.

You're assuming she'd pass.

She has to do all the lessons again now anyway if she wants to drive when her ban is up

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:13am

splinter65 wrote: »

Your comments are vile. Almost frightening. You’re wishing torture on a person who made a serious mistake and has been punished for it in a court of law. It must be wonderful to be you. To have never made a mistake.
What’s great is that others on this thread see your posts for the abomination that they are, and are calling you on it.

It's nice and all that you're trying to paint a big picture here with a bit of word play, but you could go and take a lie down now before you just start making things up altogether.

JeffKenna · 06-01-2019 1:14am

gctest50 wrote: »

They were only about a kilometer from home

Is this blind bridge on their land ?

Moorepark land as far as I know, open to correction however.

Father Hernandez · 06-01-2019 1:14am

lbc2019 wrote: »

Some people believe driving with drink taken isn't a problem, some believe inexperienced drivers driving alone isn't a problem...

I think both are an issue, drink driving far worse than driving unaccompanied.

She’s received her punishment, 15 year ban is a long time and a lot to explain. As does the guilt

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 1:15am

lbc2019 wrote: »

by driving unaccompanied? And her with the legal qualification...

I don’t know what legal qualification a 21 year old would have and I’m mystified as to how you imagine her qualification would have impacted her driving skills.

road_high · 06-01-2019 1:15am

lbc2019 wrote: »

Some people believe driving with drink taken isn't a problem, some believe inexperienced drivers driving alone isn't a problem...

Don’t think anyone said that- like eveything , there are degrees of seriousness- an inexperienced driver could actually be an excellent, careful driver and never be a danger.
However a drink driver is unlikely to be anything but a major hazard such is the effect alcohol has on the senses. Holding a plastic card doesn’t suddenly heighten those same senses however

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:15am

road_high wrote: »

You just said in repeated posts you wanted her to wake up daily thinking about what she did. If that’s not vengeance/seeking I’m not sure what is

And I'm applying that vengance how? Are you on drugs or something, because I fail to see how I could manage to do that?

Hoping and vengance aren't the same thing. Anyway, if she is thinking of it daily and wants to know who's caused it then she need only get as far as a mirror.

Father Hernandez · 06-01-2019 1:16am

Patww79 wrote: »

Yep. No jail time and allowed to continue on as she was. Hopefully she wakes up to the first thought of the two people she killed every single morning though, that would be the very least she deserves.

I’ll just leave this here. There’s a lot of vengeance in this

road_high · 06-01-2019 1:17am

splinter65 wrote: »

I don’t know what legal qualification a 21 year old would have and I’m mystified as to how you imagine her qualification would have impacted her driving skills.

She could have had her test and still been involved in that accident. Where’s there’s humans there’ll always be human error regardless of what plastic is in their wallet

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 1:17am

splinter65 wrote: »

I don’t know what legal qualification a 21 year old would have and I’m mystified as to how you imagine her qualification would have impacted her driving skills.

She should know its illegal to drive unaccompanied

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:18am

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I’ll just leave this here. There’s a lot of vengeance in this

Try as you might, you can't make that one true. Basically making stuff up at this stage to try conjure a bit of outrage.

Needles73 · 06-01-2019 1:18am

Patww79 wrote: »

And I'm applying that vengance how? Are you on drugs or something, because I fail to see how I could manage to do that?

Hoping and vengance aren't the same thing. Anyway, if she is thinking of it daily and wants to know who's caused it then she need only get as far as a mirror.

I’d suggest you take a look in your own mirror and see what’s staring back.

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 1:19am

road_high wrote: »

Don’t think anyone said that- like eveything , there are degrees of seriousness- an inexperienced driver could actually be an excellent, careful driver and never be a danger.
However a drink driver is unlikely to be anything but a major hazard such is the effect alcohol has on the senses. Holding a plastic card doesn’t suddenly heighten those same senses however

You are deemed competent to drive. Its not just a card. She was not deemed competent to drive.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:19am

Needles73 wrote: »

I’d suggest you take a look in your own mirror and see what’s staring back.

Someone who hasn't killed anyone.

Father Hernandez · 06-01-2019 1:19am

Patww79 wrote: »

Try as you might, you can't make that one true. Basically making stuff up at this stage to try conjure a bit of outrage.

And I quote “Hopefully she wakes up to the first thought of the two people she killed every single morning though, that would be the very least she deserves”

If you can’t see that’s vengeance, you’re delusional Pat

road_high · 06-01-2019 1:19am

Patww79 wrote: »

And I'm applying that vengance how? Are you on drugs or something, because I fail to see how I could manage to do that?

Hoping and vengance aren't the same thing. Anyway, if she is thinking of it daily and wants to know who's caused it then she need only get as far as a mirror.

I can assure you I’m not the one on drugs here. As another poster said you’re practically foaming at the mouth with every post. Kind of disturbing reading it

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 1:20am

Patww79 wrote: »

It's nice and all that you're trying to paint a big picture here with a bit of word play, but you could go and take a lie down now before you just start making things up altogether.

I’m not making anything up at all. Your posts paint a picture of a person totally lacking in any human mercy or even basic empathy. It’s very straightforward. Point to where you have shown even a smidgen of mercy for this young girl?

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 1:20am

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I think both are an issue, drink driving far worse than driving unaccompanied.

She’s received her punishment, 15 year ban is a long time and a lot to explain. As does the guilt

She can apply for a driving restoration about half way through tbf

gctest50 · 06-01-2019 1:21am

JeffKenna wrote: »

.........

I also think the wall was damaged as opposed to a gaping gap.

It went through the gap

Sgt McNamara said that there had been a gap in the wall for many years. In the collision, the Clancys’ car flipped over and went through this gap

Whose land is the bridge on ?

Kevin Finnerty · 06-01-2019 1:21am

Patww79 wrote: »

Someone who hasn't killed anyone.

Don't ever be that sure.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:22am

Father Hernandez wrote: »

And I quote “Hopefully she wakes up to the first thought of the two people she killed every single morning though, that would be the very least she deserves”

If you can’t see that’s vengeance, you’re delusional Pat

"punishment inflicted or retribution exacted for an injury or wrong" - vengeance.

It's like talking to a plant.

road_high · 06-01-2019 1:22am

Patww79 wrote: »

Try as you might, you can't make that one true. Basically making stuff up at this stage to try conjure a bit of outrage.

He literally repeated your OWN post and pointed to it’s severe vengeful tone.
How that then becomes “making stuff up” is beyond me

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:23am

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

Don't ever be that sure.

Bet nobody calls this worrying though. Is that a threat?

fritzelly · 06-01-2019 1:23am

No issue with the ad - why use makey uppey stories that are not real. Use real life stories to hit home that you - a unlicensed driver do not have the skills to be driving illegally by yourself - look at this story where someone thought they should be exempt from the law and ended up killing someone.
As for the sentence I believe anyone killing someone in a road accident should be charged with manslaughter. When all you get for destroying a family is a driving ban and a stern telling off then what kind of signal does that send to all the people in the future that do the same thing thinking they are excellent drivers and nothing could ever happen
If you intentionally go out and do something knowing full well what you are doing is illegal then you should expect to be hit with the full force of the law

Roll on the next unlicensed driver killing someone or seriously harming them.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:23am

road_high wrote: »

He literally repeated your OWN post and pointed to it’s severe vengeful tone.
How that then becomes “making stuff up” is beyond me

Ah, it's TONE now.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:24am

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m not making anything up at all. Your posts paint a picture of a person totally lacking in any human mercy or even basic empathy. It’s very straightforward. Point to where you have shown even a smidgen of mercy for this young girl?

I don't show any mercy towards her. I don't think he deserves any.

Kevin Finnerty · 06-01-2019 1:25am

Patww79 wrote: »

Bet nobody calls this worrying though. Is that a threat?

Nope. What's to say you won't go out to work Monday morning and slay a whole family by sheer accident?

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 1:25am

Patww79 wrote: »

Someone who hasn't killed anyone.

Yet. Hasn’t killed anyone yet, Pat. There but for the grace of God pat. Ever heard that expression?

road_high · 06-01-2019 1:26am

Patww79 wrote: »

Ah, it's TONE now.

Yes of course, you hardly thought we meant you were literally going to physically seek vengeance on the girl?
Though going by your posts on here I definitely wouldn’t put it past you

Father Hernandez · 06-01-2019 1:30am

Patww79 wrote: »

"punishment inflicted or retribution exacted for an injury or wrong" - vengeance.

It's like talking to a plant.

Could go on all night but it’s like talking to a wall.

You sound very sad & bitter. Enjoy your night

I’ll leave this quote for you again: “Hopefully she wakes up to the first thought of the two people she killed every single morning though, that would be the very least she deserves”

Vile

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:30am

road_high wrote: »

Yes of course, you hardly thought we meant you were literally going to physically seek vengeance on the girl?
Though going by your posts on here I definitely wouldn’t put it past you

That's what you and the cronies have been getting at all along. Read it back bub.

That last part is as bad as anything you lot have accused me of and you've absolutely none of the high ground left that you put yourself on now. Vile indeed.

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 1:32am

Patww79 wrote: »

I don't show any mercy towards her. I don't think he deserves any.

So... you don’t like our justice system or any justice system in the developed world. Interesting.
What’s your idea of how a justice system should operate Pat. Sharia Law? No actually even Sharia Law does allow for some mercy.
No really this girl deserves no mercy so can you describe what you think would have been a suitable punishment. A punishment for someone who deserves no mercy shown them.

Victor · 06-01-2019 1:33am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

But MUCH more likely to be caused by an inexperienced driver.

28112827 wrote: »

It would be interesting to see those stats. Can you provide a link to where they are published?

RSA have indicated that approximately 12 fatalities per year involve leaner drivers, 10 of which are unaccompanied.

28112827 wrote: »

It’s been a few years since I researched this, but previously I had worked out that the vast majority of accidents involved fully licensed drivers with varying degrees of experience.

The vast majority of collisions involved fully licensed drivers are because the vast majority of drivers are fully licensed drivers and they do the most driving.

gctest50 wrote: »

They were only about a kilometer from home

Is this blind bridge on their land ?

I think that's random speculation on your behalf. Few people would have land stretching a kilometer from home. Note that driver and victims were neighbours.

gctest50 wrote: »

Whose land is the bridge on ?

Bridges only public roads tend to be the responsibility of councils, not land owners.

splinter65 wrote: »

lbc2019 wrote: »

by driving unaccompanied? And her with the legal qualification...

I don’t know what legal qualification a 21 year old would have and I’m mystified as to how you imagine her qualification would have impacted her driving skills.

She did law in college.

road_high wrote: »

She could have had her test and still been involved in that accident. Where’s there’s humans there’ll always be human error regardless of what plastic is in their wallet

Yes, it could happen, but would be less likely to happen.

splinter65 wrote: »

Point to where you have shown even a smidgen of mercy for this young girl?

The "young girl" is an adult.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-01-2019 1:35am

Sharia law now. It has to be a wind up at this stage.

road_high · 06-01-2019 1:37am

Patww79 wrote: »

That's what you and the cronies have been getting at all along. Read it back bub.

That last part is as bad as anything you lot have accused me of and you've absolutely none of the high ground left that you put yourself on now. Vile indeed.

There’s no cronies- I just find your whole attidude horrible, cruel and unnecessarily spiteful. If other posters feel the same too then I think that says a lot. Not that you’ll listen or take anything from it.
You come across as wanting revenge and blame at all costs with not an ounce of compsssion or understanding. You’re to be pitied tbh

road_high · 06-01-2019 1:38am

Patww79 wrote: »

Sharia law now. It has to be a wind up at this stage.

I thought you were at first but clearly not!

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 1:38am

Patww79 wrote: »

Sharia law now. It has to be a wind up at this stage.

Can you not tell us what you think is a suitable no-mercy punishment for this girl?

RSA ad on unaccompanied L drivers

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