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Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

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  • #502
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    In ancient times before the Hebrews crossed the Red Sea from Egypt, Israel was occupied by the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. However, going back even further to the time of Jacob, the Israelites lived in the Holy land before the aforementioned tribes. In crossing the Red Sea, God was not just giving Israel to the Israelites, he was also returning it to them and them to it. The Israelis were there first, it belongs to them. God loves Muslims and they are well provided for (if only they would use what they have) but Israel belongs to the Israelis.


  • #503
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    NKante wrote: »
    Well that's just simply hyperbole. Sounds good to type it out, but you don't have any actual evidence do you?

    Evidence - a very small sample

    Shooting and shelling the UN
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/4534620.stm

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/un-begged-israelis-to-halt-qana-massacre-1305912.html

    Shooting at schools, school children
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/world-disgrace-gaza-un-shelter-school-israel

    https://972mag.com/justice-eludes-palestinian-peace-activist-father-of-girl-killed-by-idf/24984/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/06/israel


  • #504
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    NKante wrote: »
    ..........memri video........

    No thanks.


  • #505
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Odhinn wrote: »
    NKante wrote: »
    Well that's just simply hyperbole. Sounds good to type it out, but you don't have any actual evidence do you?

    Evidence  - a very small sample
    We know that the palestinians have used UN schools for rocket storage and we also know they've fired from 
    the playground of UN schools, hoping that Israel returns fire to the origin of the attack.

    All you've done is show instances in which Israel has made military mistakes. I can do that too with the UK, France, US, Russia etc.

    You said that Israel troops deliberately aim at children and callously murder them. You haven't backed up that assertion because you can't.


  • #506
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Odhinn wrote: »
    NKante wrote: »
    ..........memri video........

    No thanks.
    Yep. Keep denying what was said in the video.


  • #507
    utyh2ikcq9z76b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭utyh2ikcq9z76b


    NKante wrote: »
    Yep. Keep denying what was said in the video.

    Yeah, keep spreading your Hasbara propaganda. People should be aware that Isreal recruits an army of trolls and it's pointless to get into a debate with them. On the Palestinian side, you have UN resolutions, Amnesty international reports, Human rights watch reports and various other NGO reports etc etc ...All they have is rhetoric and propaganda


  • #508
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    NKante wrote: »
    Again, I'll repeat myself because it seems you and others are deliberately ignoring this. A senior Hamas figure has admitted that 50 of 62 killed were Hamas members.


    Nobody is ignoring it. It simply is irrelevant. You can't point to your good shoots as justification of your murders. And that's assuming they knew those people were Hamas when before they shot them.


  • #509
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Seth Yellow Cobra wrote: »
    Yeah, keep spreading your propaganda. People should be aware that Isreal recruits an army of trolls and it's pointless to get into a debate with them. On the Palestinian side, you have UN resolutions, Amnesty international reports, Human rights watch reports and various other NGO reports etc etc ...All they have is rhetoric and propaganda

    Quite extraordinary that when faced with a video of a senior Hamas figure explicitly saying 50 Hamas dead was an "official figure" - you still call it Hasbara.

    Is this Hamas Hasbara then?

    Really through the looking glass here, pal.


  • #510
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Nobody is ignoring it. It simply is irrelevant. You can't point to your good shoots as justification of your murders. And that's assuming they knew those people were Hamas when before they shot them.

    Interesting. If ISIS were rushing Ireland's border but forced some of their civilian captives to rush the border with them, you'd obviously call on your army to hold fire?


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  • #511
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭mulbot


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    In ancient times before the Hebrews crossed the Red Sea from Egypt, Israel was occupied by the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. However, going back even further to the time of Jacob, the Israelites lived in the Holy land before the aforementioned tribes. In crossing the Red Sea, God was not just giving Israel to the Israelites, he was also returning it to them and them to it. The Israelis were there first, it belongs to them. God loves Muslims and they are well provided for (if only they would use what they have) but Israel belongs to the Israelis.

    Seriously? Can you show us the proof of this?


  • #512
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    NKante wrote: »
    Quite extraordinary that when faced with a video of a senior Hamas figure explicitly saying 50 Hamas dead was an "official figure" - you still call it Hasbara.
    .

    During Israel's last bout of attempted genocide in Gaza a few years back they sent troops into the strip, the troops were met with resistance from Just about every combat aged male in the region. Anyone who took up arms at that time to protect their families from IDF war criminals would be considered a member of or former member of Hamas. That would include almost every adult male from 20-60.


    The reason they claim them as combatants is so their families will be paid a pension in honour of their service.


  • #513
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    During Israel's last bout of attempted genocide in Gaza a few years back they sent troops into the strip, the troops were met with resistance from Just about every combat aged male in the region. Anyone who took up arms at that time to protect their families from IDF war criminals would be considered a member of or former member of Hamas. That would include almost every adult male from 20-60.


    The reason they claim them as combatants is so their families will be paid a pension in honour of their service.

    Interesting that you aren't able to debate without hyperbole such as 'genocide'. I've never seen a genocide with the population increasing so rapidly. I've never seen a genocide where the like expectancy under the 'genociders' increased by 30 years.

    There are 1.8m Gazans, the majority of the population are young. Your assertion that most males of fighting age took up arms is ludicrous.

    It's come to something when you seem to be more palestinian than palestinians. Here they are openly admitting their group lost 50 members, yet in comes an Irishman to be more hard line than Hamas and go into Palestinian Hasbara like I've never seen. Claiming every young male is Hamas so it somehow cancels Hamas membership out and means they're all civilians.

    The absolute state of you.


  • #514
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    NKante wrote: »
    We know that the palestinians have used UN schools for rocket storage and we also know they've fired from 
    the playground of UN schools, hoping that Israel returns fire to the origin of the attack.

    All you've done is show instances in which Israel has made military mistakes. I can do that too with the UK, France, US, Russia etc.

    You said that Israel troops deliberately aim at children and callously murder them. You haven't backed up that assertion because you can't.

    Just to add to my experiences with the IDF, and Lebanon (but you can draw comparisons with the resistance in Gaza).

    I've seen the Hezbollah and Amal use schools, and even UN positions to shelter behind to attack Israeli and South Lebanese Army positions and personnel.

    Mostly a UN position couldn't openly report (ie via radio) on where the attacks were coming from because you'd risk drawing fire from the IDF/SLA on the position.

    Qana was the very worst example of this, Hezbollah were firing Kaytusha rockets from behind sheltering civilians. The IDF had drones up, had warned the UN that they were going to fire on the position. UNIFIL had a weak mandate and couldn't stop the attacks. The IDF attacked and killed 102 innocent civilians.

    What I've never witnessed is the IDF shooting unarmed civilians just for the craic or because a target presented itself like some posters here would have you believe.

    The IDF evacuate injured civilians from Syria and treat them in Israeli hospitals, but then Israel isn't laying siege to Syria. The IDF have also put field hospitals on the ground in the likes of Haiti (earth quake) and various parts of Africa.

    They've also treated Irish soldiers wounded in Lebanon in Israeli hospitals (on the flip side of that they've also injured and killed a few of us too).

    All that said I'm not convinced that the IDF couldn't do more to prevent civilian deaths in Gaza, and I think Hamas could do a lot more to protect their civilians too.

    I've no doubt that Hamas militants are operating among civilian protesters at the Gazan security fence.

    Its a shame that the whole place is such a clusterfvck because Israel is a lovely place to visit, absolutely nothing like I'd imagined before I visited. I loved it there, was supposed to go back for a Judo competition last month but for health reasons I couldn't travel.

    Beautiful women, food and weather (crap beer) sure why wouldn't I love to go back :D


  • #515
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Otto Embarrassed Falconer wrote: »
    Just to add to my experiences with the IDF, and Lebanon (but you can draw comparisons with the resistance in Gaza).

    I've seen the Hezbollah and Amal use schools, and even UN positions to shelter behind to attack Israeli and South Lebanese Army positions and personnel.

    Mostly a UN position couldn't openly report (ie via radio) on where the attacks were coming from because you'd risk drawing fire from the IDF/SLA on the position.

    Qana was the very worst example of this, Hezbollah were firing Kaytusha rockets from behind sheltering civilians. The IDF had drones up, had warned the UN that they were going to fire on the position. UNIFIL had a weak mandate and couldn't stop the attacks. The IDF attacked and killed 102 innocent civilians.

    What I've never witnessed is the IDF shooting unarmed civilians just for the craic or because a target presented itself like some posters here would have you believe.

    The IDF evacuate injured civilians from Syria and treat them in Israeli hospitals, but then Israel isn't laying siege to Syria. The IDF have also put field hospitals on the ground in the likes of Haiti (earth quake) and various parts of Africa.

    They've also treated Irish soldiers wounded in Lebanon in Israeli hospitals (on the flip side of that they've also injured and killed a few of us too).

    All that said I'm not convinced that the IDF couldn't do more to prevent civilian deaths in Gaza, and I think Hamas could do a lot more to protect their civilians too.

    I've no doubt that Hamas militants are operating among civilian protesters at the Gazan security fence.

    Its a shame that the whole place is such a clusterfvck because Israel is a lovely place to visit, absolutely nothing like I'd imagined before I visited. I loved it there, was supposed to go back for a Judo competition last month but for health reasons I couldn't travel.

    Beautiful women, food and weather (crap beer) sure why wouldn't I love to go back :D

    Good post and just to add to the bold part - it's become pretty clear that Hamas use their people as human shields. In fact they openly admit it and there's some video evidence of them stating it.

    I mean they have a bunker under Shifa hospital for the Hamas hierarchy and a tunnel system for Hamas terrorists. Yet they don't have a single shelter for the people. In fact they forced people onto rooftops to protect certain buildings.

    Israel on the other hand made it law that every home must have access to a bomb shelter or reinforced safe room and bus stops neighbouring Gaza also double up as bomb shelters.


  • #516
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    NKante wrote: »
    I mean they have a bunker under Shifa hospital for the Hamas hierarchy and a tunnel system for Hamas terrorists. Yet they don't have a single shelter for the people. In fact they forced people onto rooftops to protect certain buildings.

    Israel on the other hand made it law that every home must have access to a bomb shelter or reinforced safe room and bus stops neighbouring Gaza also double up as bomb shelters.

    Funny you should say that because the Hezbollah done the same in south Lebanon.

    We were completely ignorant to the tunnels, I think the IDF were too until the 2006 war.

    But there wasn't a single shelter for civilians, not one. We used to let civilians shelter with us in our bunkers. Thankfully I've never seen the Hezbollah force people onto roofs to protect the building from a shelling.

    Another thing I'd point out is after Qana almost every time Israel was going to attack a target in Lebanon they'd let the UN know in time to evacuate civilians. This couldn't always happen of course, ie if armed elements attacked a compound or convoy retaliation was pretty swift.

    Nothing to do with Gaza, just small talk here. But the very worst in Lebanon were the Christian SLA, although a defacto force of the IDF but they were independently a shower of complete bastards.

    A queer observation I made in Lebanon, most of us wondered at this.. No one died of natural causes, industrial accidents or car crashes ~ everyone was killed by the IDF lol.. It was almost comical sometimes when someone was paraded through a village after being killed by the IDF and we'd be 'but there has been no shelling all week' lol. Yep, without exception they were all killed by the IDF :)


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  • #517
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Otto Embarrassed Falconer wrote: »

    Nothing to do with Gaza, just small talk here. But the very worst in Lebanon were the Christian SLA, although a defacto force of the IDF but they were independently a shower of complete bastards.

    The SLA and other phalangist malitias were ***** but the Israelis were 100% complicit in their actions.
    The IDF surrounded two refugee camps, penned in the inhabitants, illuminated the night sky with flares and allowed their proxy troops to massacre upward of 3000 men women and children.
    But besides that sure they were grand.


  • #518
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    NKante wrote: »
    Have we all seen the video of a senior Hamas member stating that the vast majority of those killed were Hamas members?He's interviewed on Palestinian TV and claims 50 out of 62 were Hamas members.


    Also the story of the 8 month old being killed by IDF tear gas has proven to be false according to the Doctor who saw the baby.

    Also a video of a border infiltrator singing like a bird about Hamas's tactics. Quite cynical to use the population in this way.Can't seem to post links here. 


    Just thought people should know there are two sides.

    Did he say they were members of Hamas or members of the military wing of Hamas?


  • #519
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    NKante wrote: »
    Good post and just to add to the bold part - it's become pretty clear that Hamas use their people as human shields. In fact they openly admit it and there's some video evidence of them stating it.

    I mean they have a bunker under Shifa hospital for the Hamas hierarchy and a tunnel system for Hamas terrorists. Yet they don't have a single shelter for the people. In fact they forced people onto rooftops to protect certain buildings.

    Israel on the other hand made it law that every home must have access to a bomb shelter or reinforced safe room and bus stops neighbouring Gaza also double up as bomb shelters.


    Just that they don't seem too worried about Israeli Arabs. Why's that now....?


    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-arab-towns-unprotected-from-missile-attack-idf-sources-say-1.5626996


    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-2-5-million-israelis-lack-access-to-bomb-shelters-idf-official-says-1.6093706


  • #520
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,288 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Did he say they were members of Hamas or members of the military wing of Hamas?

    It doesn't really matter. They were unarmed citizens who were murdered. I'd say those children scared the sh1t out of the IDF.


  • #521
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    The SLA and other phalangist malitias were ***** but the Israelis were 100% complicit in their actions.
    The IDF surrounded two refugee camps, penned in the inhabitants, illuminated the night sky with flares and allowed their proxy troops to massacre upward of 3000 men women and children.
    But besides that sure they were grand.

    I know full well what happened in Sabra and Shatila, but I'm drawing on other experiences of my service in Lebanon stretching back as far as 1988.

    Something you might be interested in, from todays Indo

    CLICK HERE Former ice cream seller accused of murdering Irish troops is jailed on other charges

    And I don't give a toss about the semantics of it, the Christians were a shower of cvnts. They didn't need encouragement or assistance from the Israeli's, the Christians were bastards.

    You have no idea what the Christians or anyone else got up to, save for whatever Google searches might throw up for you.

    As bad as the IDF were in Lebanon, the SLA/DFF ('Christians') were to us, and everyone else a complete shower of heartless bastards. The Israeli's dumped on them in the end, and tbh I've zero sympathies for them.

    Those who weren't lucky enough to escape to Israel on the eve of the Israeli' withdrawal from Lebanon were imprisoned by the Hezbollah, & tbh 'fook them.

    [rant over ~ sorry there's only a few things which will trigger me and this is one of them].

    Read the article. I didn't myself, it would enrage me. The Israeli's helped the fooker to escape to the USA. Personally, I'd pull the trigger on him myself.

    Another one to search if you're interested. Private Kevin Joyce 18, kidnapped by Palestinians and murdered. To date the longest held kidnap victim in the Middle East.. Ptw Joyce is from the Aran Islands, his family is waiting to bring him home still.

    I've said it earlier in the thread, we've made a lot of sacrifices and paid the ultimate sacrifice for peace in Lebanon. We were targets for just about everyone there, but it was worth it because as I posted ~ there is a whole generation of Lebanese children now who have never known war.

    When Irish troops rescued a Fijian unit in Lebanon their task would have been so much more difficult without the support of Israeli troops (another Google search for you).

    The situation on all fronts out there is exceptionally complicated and forever shifting, Wiki and Google experts on the situ don't mean squat to me tbh.

    Right, 'tis bed time and I hate going to bed with these crap on my mind so I'll cut it short here.

    Haven't seen you post in the SD&MF forum for awhile, hope you're not slacking off and getting soft :D

    Long busy day and weekend ahead, excuse me if I don't check in here too often


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  • #522
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    tayto lover wrote: »
    It doesn't really matter. They were unarmed citizens who were murdered. I'd say those children scared the sh1t out of the IDF.

    My point was that a lot of people don’t actually have a clue what Hamas actually is and what they do.

    They hear a few muttering from a Zionist murderer, biased comments from western journalists and form an incorrect opinion.


  • #523
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    NKante wrote: »
    .

    You said that Israel troops deliberately aim at children and callously murder them. You haven't backed up that assertion because you can't.

    Everybody knows the idf deliberately target innocent children but don't let that stop you posting whatever propaganda suits your agenda.

    Four young boys – members of the same family – playing football and hide and seek on the beach were killed today by what is believed to have been gunfire from Israeli warships carrying out a blockade of Gaza.

    The attack on the fishing port in Gaza City came at just after four o’clock on a sunny and clear afternoon with good visibility. The group of cousins, aged between nine and 11, were around what looked like a derelict shed when they were hit by a shell from the direction of the sea.

    Three of them managed to run to the terrace of a hotel, where their injures were treated by staff and journalists who have been staying there.

    Of the four others, who had more severe wounds, one died at the scene, the other three after arriving at the hospital.


    “The kids were playing football on the beach. They were all... under the age of 15,” said witness Ahmed Abu Hassera, 22.


  • #524
    utyh2ikcq9z76b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭utyh2ikcq9z76b


    Good video, this is before this recent massacre, but shows its worse than you can even imagine


    P.S As Israel pays an army of hasbara (propaganda trolls) make yourself aware of the tactics they use and don't engage.How to deal with Zionist trolls


  • #525
    cfuserkildare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    Just saw this and immediately wondered, What will ever be done to stop this type of response which we are all too familiar with?


    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2018/0518/964357-un-gaza/

    What will the UN do about the use of Snipers and further Lethal force against the Palestinians?


  • #526
    utyh2ikcq9z76b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭utyh2ikcq9z76b


    The UN human rights chief has slammed Israel's reaction to protests along the Gaza border as "wholly disproportionate", backing calls for an international investigation.

    Addressing a special session of the UN Human Rights Council on the violence which has claimed more than 100 lives in Gaza over six weeks, Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein warned that "killing resulting from the unlawful use of force by an occupying power may also constitute wilful killings, a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention".

    Violations of the Geneva Conventions adopted in 1949 following World War II are commonly called "war crimes"
    .


  • #527
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    cfuserkildare wrote: »

    What will the UN do about the use of Snipers and further Lethal force against the Palestinians?

    To paraphrase Conor McGregor...... 'They'll do fcukin nuthin'*




    *Cos the US will stop any investigation/sanctions.


  • #528
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    To paraphrase Conor McGregor...... 'They'll do fcukin nuthin'*




    *Cos the US will stop any investigation/sanctions.

    Why should any country have a veto on the investigation of war crimes??


  • #529
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Why should any country have a veto on the investigation of war crimes??

    They shouldn't. But permanent members of the UN Security Council have a veto. Them's the rules that they made up.


  • #530
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,644 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Mod: Threads merged


  • #531
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Why should any country have a veto on the investigation of war crimes??

    Because that one country pays most of the bills.

    He who pays controls.


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  • #532
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    Because that one country pays most of the bills.

    He who pays controls.

    Five countries have UN powers of Veto US, Britain, France, China, and Russia


  • #533
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,316 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    My point was that a lot of people don’t actually have a clue what Hamas actually is and what they do.

    They hear a few muttering from a Zionist murderer, biased comments from western journalists and form an incorrect opinion.

    two options

    1) people know who hamas are and what they do. I'd imagine most of the posters here fall into that category. It's possible to dislike Hamas and at the same time be appalled by Israeli soldiers shooting so many people. Especially people who are in wheelchairs.

    2) people don't know who hamas are and feel appalled at the fact that a double amputee in a wheelchair was shot.

    See? What happened on the israeli side was wrong. They targeted civilians who weren't a danger to them.


  • #534
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    Because that one country pays most of the bills.

    He who pays controls.

    The US pays the most for a single country, not "most of the bills". They US pays 22% of funds because it makes up 27% of economic activity
    the EU pays more in total than the US. It's based on GNP. By your logic California should be able to veto all legislation and policies in the US because they have the largest economy in the US? Or London should be able to veto all UK policies?

    You're living in lala land. Turn the britebart drip off.

    From one of the European Union's official websites.
    The level of the contributions of the 28 EU Member States amounts to 30.38% of the UN regular budget and 33.17% of the UN peacekeeping budgets. In addition, the EU and its Member States also provide about half of all the voluntary contributions to UN funds and programmes.


  • #535
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    NKante wrote: »
    We know that the palestinians have used UN schools for rocket storage and we also know they've fired from 
    the playground of UN schools, hoping that Israel returns fire to the origin of the attack.

    All you've done is show instances in which Israel has made military mistakes. I can do that too with the UK, France, US, Russia etc.

    You said that Israel troops deliberately aim at children and callously murder them. You haven't backed up that assertion because you can't.

    The guy who emptied the clip into the schoolgirl? The sniper shots to the head of the other girls? You did read the articles?


  • #536
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    NKante wrote: »
    Yep. Keep denying what was said in the video.

    Memri are not a trust worthy source, it was founded by former Israeli intelligence (so straight away there is a bias), but the biggest thing is they have unapologetically faked translations and threatened critics. There a pro-Israel propaganda outfit and are worthless as source.

    You can read more at sourcewatch:
    Sourcewatch - Memri

    Plenty of links etc on source watch detailing there nonsense.


  • #537
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    cfuserkildare wrote: »
    Just saw this and immediately wondered, What will ever be done to stop this type of response which we are all too familiar with?


    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2018/0518/964357-un-gaza/

    What will the UN do about the use of Snipers and further Lethal force against the Palestinians?

    Shooting hostile border infiltrators is allowed.

    In fact is happens all over the world every day, usually with drug smugglers.

    Again, I'd like some of the Hamas cheerleaders on here to try and rush the border of India/Pakistan or South/North Korea. Let us know how you got on, or perhaps get your next of kin to let us know.


  • #538
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    wes wrote: »
    Memri are not a trust worthy source, it was founded by former Israeli intelligence (so straight away there is a bias), but the biggest thing is they have unapologetically faked translations and threatened critics. There a pro-Israel propaganda outfit and are worthless as source.

    You can read more at sourcewatch:
    Sourcewatch - Memri

    Plenty of links etc on source watch detailing there nonsense.

    If you can't prove the translation is wrong, then stop your whinging. I have a base level understanding of Arabic and even I can tell the translation is accurate.


  • #539
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    NKante wrote: »
    If you can't prove the translation is wrong, then stop your whinging. .

    The translation can't be trusted due to the source.


  • #540
    irishgrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    NKante wrote: »
    Shooting hostile border infiltrators is allowed.

    In fact is happens all over the world every day, usually with drug smugglers.

    Again, I'd like some of the Hamas cheerleaders on here to try and rush the border of India/Pakistan or South/North Korea. Let us know how you got on, or perhaps get your next of kin to let us know.

    This is such a simplistic, tiring and unintelligent view of the world.
    Just because something is "allowed" does not mean that it is morally right or is the just thing to do.
    Because Hamas are a bunch of murdering, zelots, manipulating their own civilian population does not justify mass shootings of unarmed protesters.
    If a child or an unarmed person is throwing rocks and or walking towards your border just because you "are allowed" to shoot them in the head, does not mean that shooting them in the head is the correct thing to do.
    Judging your actions on, or setting your standards based on the level of those that you claim to be almost sub human terrorists does nothing to advance your own cause, your own way of live or your own culture.
    Israel could easily defend it's borders against unarmed civilians without killing them, but it very actively chooses instead to kill them, because it's easier, cheaper, less messy and ultimately because they genuinely believe that God has told them that they are allowed to do so.


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  • #541
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    NKante wrote: »
    If you can't prove the translation is wrong, then stop your whinging.

    No whinging here. Your just annoyed someone called you out on the propaganda your spreading.

    I have proven the source to be untrustworthy. So unless you can prove me wrong, your out of luck.
    NKante wrote: »
    I have a base level understanding of Arabic and even I can tell the translation is accurate.

    So? There are plenty of way to mess with a video, including misleading editing etc. Also, a randomer on the Internet isn't a trustworthy source either. So your back to square one.

    Get back to me, when you have source from somewhere that isn't a propaganda outfit.


  • #542
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    NKante wrote: »
    Again, I'd like some of the Hamas cheerleaders on here to try and rush the border of India/Pakistan or South/North Korea. Let us know how you got on, or perhaps get your next of kin to let us know.

    No Hamas cheerleaders here, that I can see. Just people against the murder of civilians and extremists like yourself supporting the murder of civilians.

    I have actually been to the line of control (LOC), and have family who live there. You want to know the difference between the LOC and what we see in Gaza. At the LOC you have 2 heavily armed forces facing one another, both with nuclear weapons and air forces. Gaza is a prison and there is no border, as there is no Palestinian state, there isn't even an agreed armistice line (defacto agreement) like there is at the LOC, as again there is no Palestinian state, just a prison in Gaza and Bantustans in the West Bank.

    So the situation you describe is not comparable at all, and quite frankly the claim is absurd.


  • #543
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    wes wrote: »

    So? There are plenty of way to mess with a video, including misleading editing etc. Also, a randomer on the Internet isn't a trustworthy source either. So your back to square one.

    Get back to me, when you have source from somewhere that isn't a propaganda outfit.

    Wow, clutching at straws here. Being more Hamas than Hamas :D

    It was originally posted on Palestinian TV website and picked up from there. MEMRI is a trustworthy site that uses native Arab speakers for translation.

    Literally Hamas speaking on camera is not enough proof for you, you think da jooos manipulated the video.

    Maybe see a Doctor for that level of paranoia.


  • #544
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    NKante wrote: »
    MEMRI is a trustworthy site that uses native Arab speakers for translation.

    Is that what your employers in the Israeli foreign ministry tell you?


  • #545
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    NKante wrote: »
    Wow, clutching at straws here. Being more Hamas than Hamas :D

    It was originally posted on Palestinian TV website and picked up from there. MEMRI is a trustworthy site that uses native Arab speakers for translation.

    Literally Hamas speaking on camera is not enough proof for you, you think da jooos manipulated the video.

    Maybe see a Doctor for that level of paranoia.

    Reevaluate what you are doing for a living. There is surely a better way to earn a few shekels than defending the indefensible


  • #546
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Is that what your employers in the Israeli foreign ministry tell you?

    Ah yes, that old canard that all supporters of Israel are secretly paid to do so because you know, Jews.

    Looks like NBC News is running the story

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hamas-says-most-protesters-killed-israel-gaza-were-members-n874906

    How inconvenient for you.


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  • #547
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    NKante wrote: »
    Ah yes, that old canard that all supporters of Israel are secretly paid to do so because you know, Jews.

    Looks like NBC News is running the story

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hamas-says-most-protesters-killed-israel-gaza-were-members-n874906

    How inconvenient for you.

    I refer you to post #512


    As for Israel paying an army of internet trolls to post "alternative facts" on their behalf online, it's been openly admitted by them for at lest 5 years. They have included the action as part of their "anti-DBS" budget for several years. It's weird how new-reg's pop up every time Israel commits war crimes to defend them by spreading blatant lies, half truths and whataboutery, isn't it?


  • #548
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    I refer you to post #512


    As for Israel paying an army of internet trolls to post "alternative facts" on their behalf online, it's been openly admitted by them for at lest 5 years. They have included the action as part of their "anti-DBS" budget for several years. It's weird how new-reg's pop up every time Israel commits war crimes to defend them by spreading blatant lies, half truths and whataboutery, isn't it?

    I think new reg's pop up because they see wall-to-wall nonsense on here about 60 flag waving civilians mowed down by the ruthless IDF and feel they need to counter the bull****.

    But predictably, even when palestinians admit 50 of the dead were Hamas - the anti-Israel mob go into overdrive and seem to almost be angry with Hamas for telling the truth.

    It must be quite the moral contortion to support an internationally proscribed terrorist group over a liberal democracy, but leftists and Sinn Fein supports seem to make themselves into pretzels with ease.


  • #549
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    NKante wrote: »
    Ah yes, that old canard that all supporters of Israel are secretly paid to do so because you know, Jews.

    Looks like NBC News is running the story

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hamas-says-most-protesters-killed-israel-gaza-were-members-n874906

    How inconvenient for you.

    Why do you keep bringing religion into the discussion?


  • #550
    NKante
    Site Banned Posts: 297 ✭✭NKante


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Why do you keep bringing religion into the discussion?

    Because the canard is really about deceitful Jews having to pay for support. The same was said pre-Israel and we all know what "you're earning your shekels" is referring to.

    A lot of the anti-Israel knuckle-draggers think they're being 'subtle' with their tropes, but they're quite obvious, I can assure you.


  • #551
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Why do you keep bringing religion into the discussion?

    Because if you can make it about religion instead of land grabbing and colonianism then you can shout down anyone who opposes Israeli human rights abuses, war crimes and ethnic cleansing as antisemitic. Even of those people are in fact Jews like Pappe, Finkelstein, Chomsky, or groups of Jews like Bet B'tselem, Jewish voice for Peace, and so on.


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