Is it just me or have SF vanished?

01-06-2020 10:43pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Pointless whataboutery.

Verona can be a loon ball and it doesn’t take away from the fact that SF have several of the same ilk

Its really not

You said there was several shinners close to gemma odoherty outlook (and used it as reason not to vote for em,which is fair enough,despite providing no actual evidence,which is perplexing)

...i pointed out in immediate aftermath of verona essemtially calling immigrants terrorist,varadkar canvassed for her in a by-election,and since she is now an indo,was invited to government formation talks

Never has a case of whataboutery,been more relevent?

Seems FFG,wants to put a lightweight gemma odoherty into government??

Your seemingly being ok,with this,raises issues with the bona fide of your orginal complaint imo

JohnnyFlash · 01-06-2020 11:02pm

major interest wrote: »

Can’t deny that some journalists (a few in the indo particularly) can be biased. However that attached piece is pure garbage. “Leo the lioness” - low brow stuff.

It’s the demented rantings of a barely coherent halfwit.

tabby aspreme · 01-06-2020 11:09pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Id imagine verona murphy (you know the wan leo canvassed for a week after she essentially called immigrants terrorists),is likely closer to gemma odoherty in outlook??

Iirc she was even invited to coalition talks as part of indo alliance??

So if she essentially called immigrants terrorists, that means that she actually didn't, I would think Verona is well qualified to speak about the lack of security regarding immigration

James Brown · 01-06-2020 11:12pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I don’t even know where to start with this.
So you’re agreeing that SF members are talking ****e?
And your plan is to buy into an incoherent dream from a party who failed to deal with social crises in NI?

You don’t really have a point

Yes. That councillor houlihan for one. The up the 'ra lad etc.
You can't criticise SF claim to be non party and then act all confused when you meet same.
Now you're not making sense. I don't have a vote up north. SF don't control the north. Wise up. You are making excuses to try back up your spin.
I'll repeat it, when I see a government over seeing record breaking crises year on year making them worse, I'll take a chance on another party or two.

markodaly · 02-06-2020 3:42am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Partitionist' isn't an insult, it is a political position.

It's used as a pejorative, like West Brits.

markodaly · 02-06-2020 3:44am

Bowie wrote: »

The Irish Times has been pretty biased.

Is there an Irish media outlet that is not biased towards SF?

So far we have:
RTE
Sindo
Irish Independent
Irish Times
Newstalk

Am I missing any?

Trump and SF, one step closer to a perfect marriage.

Poor_old_gill · 02-06-2020 6:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its really not

You said there was several shinners close to gemma odoherty outlook (and used it as reason not to vote for em,which is fair enough,despite providing no actual evidence,which is perplexing)

...i pointed out in immediate aftermath of verona essemtially calling immigrants terrorist,varadkar canvassed for her in a by-election,and since she is now an indo,was invited to government formation talks

Never has a case of whataboutery,been more relevent?

Seems FFG,wants to put a lightweight gemma odoherty into government??

Your seemingly being ok,with this,raises issues with the bona fide of your orginal complaint imo

Ok with Verona Murphy? What are you talking about? I’ve never said anything like that.

Whataboutery is all you have and not only is it a complete dereliction of fixing issues in SF but it’s misdirected.

Stop taking pointless scattergun swipes and fix your own disjointed party

Poor_old_gill · 02-06-2020 6:28am

Bowie wrote: »

Yes. That councillor houlihan for one. The up the 'ra lad etc.
You can't criticise SF claim to be non party and then act all confused when you meet same.
Now you're not making sense. I don't have a vote up north. SF don't control the north. Wise up. You are making excuses to try back up your spin.
I'll repeat it, when I see a government over seeing record breaking crises year on year making them worse, I'll take a chance on another party or two.

SF do have power in the north and they’ve done nothing with it other than bring the country backwards. Give me 2 useful policies they’ve brought in three?

Pointing out where everyone else is wrong is easy but doing right yourself is a lot harder.

SF are the ultimate ‘hurler on the ditch’ party

02-06-2020 7:07am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Ok with Verona Murphy? What are you talking about? I’ve never said anything like that.

Whataboutery is all you have and not only is it a complete dereliction of fixing issues in SF but it’s misdirected.

Stop taking pointless scattergun swipes and fix your own disjointed party

Just aswell im no way connected with shinners

Quite,why your taking offence at verona murphy,being closer in outlook to gemma odoherty than any shinners is somewhat beyond me....

but that is your own cross to carry mate

02-06-2020 7:08am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

SF do have power in the north

SF are the ultimate ‘hurler on the ditch’ party

These two positions are not compatible :pac:

Poor_old_gill · 02-06-2020 7:09am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just aswell im no way connected with shinners

Quite,why your taking offence at verona murphy,being closer in outlook to gemma odoherty than any shinners is somewhat beyond me....

but that is your own cross to carry mate

You’re an odd character.

Read back your own posts- you’ve claimed that I was ok with Verona Murphy & I’ve never said this, now you’re childishly doubling down on something you’ve made up as you can’t untangle yourself from the web of loon balls you’ve wrapped yourself in.

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-06-2020 7:11am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just aswell im no way connected with shinners

Quite,why your taking offence at verona murphy,being closer in outlook to gemma odoherty than any shinners is somewhat beyond me....

but that is your own cross to carry mate

She got kicked out though didn't she?

02-06-2020 7:11am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

You’re an odd character.

Read back your own posts- you’ve claimed that I was ok with Verona Murphy & I’ve never said this, now you’re childishly doubling down on something you’ve made up as you can’t untangle yourself from the web of loon balls you’ve wrapped yourself in.

Where have i said you were ok with her??

Pretty sure i included seemingly?

02-06-2020 7:13am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

She got kicked out though didn't she?

I have never said she didnt?

Though,why is it,she was invited to government formation talks,as were the anti abortion aontu

(whos waterford member stood on anti immigrant point,while being an english doctor,married to a polish woman :pac: )iirc

Poor_old_gill · 02-06-2020 7:17am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where have i said you were ok with her??

Pretty sure i included seemingly?

As I said this is just childish nonsense whereby you are constantly contradicting your own posts & making stuff up just to shut down what anyone else is saying.

I don’t know are you playing dumb or are you just (seemingly) very, very dumb.

Have a good day and don’t burn down too many 5G towers

02-06-2020 7:19am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

As I said this is just childish nonsense whereby you are constantly contradicting your own posts & making stuff up just to shut down what anyone else is saying.

So infact i didnt say,what has set yous off

....ive shut nobody down,infact i have engaged entirely with yous, your free to hold a point of view,just it deosnt seem based in reality,and thats ok too

I don’t know are you playing dumb or are you just (seemingly) very, very dumb.

Yay for personal.insults,you must be the guy the irish times was on about yesterday

Have a good day and don’t burn down too many 5G towers

Quite,what this has to do with anything in our conversation is beyond me

smurgen · 02-06-2020 7:19am

markodaly wrote: »

Is there an Irish media outlet that is not biased towards SF?

So far we have:
RTE
Sindo
Irish Independent
Irish Times
Newstalk

Am I missing any?

Trump and SF, one step closer to a perfect marriage.

Really isn't it Varadkar and Trump that have the great relationship? Didn't he promise to teach him how to golf and didn't Varadkar sort out that pesky windfarm application for him?

Bishop of hope · 02-06-2020 8:12am

smurgen wrote: »

Really isn't it Varadkar and Trump that have the great relationship? Didn't he promise to teach him how to golf and didn't Varadkar sort out that pesky windfarm application for him?

The biased press sackcloth is worn by SF equally as well by SF as Trump.
Some of the looney stuff SF posters put up here to try to support their bias claims is ridiculous.
Afraid to post their own favourable publications, because we all know what they are, they throw out absolute drivel of opinion pieces from very questionable opinion sources

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 9:23am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The biased press sackcloth is worn by SF equally as well by SF as Trump.
Some of the looney stuff SF posters put up here to try to support their bias claims is ridiculous.
Afraid to post their own favourable publications, because we all know what they are, they throw out absolute drivel of opinion pieces from very questionable opinion sources

This id love to see what everyone knows?

Fact of matter is, the more people have a go at SF and talk them down, means more relevant and in the head of FFG they are.

The time is coming, Tiocfaidh ár Lá

JohnnyFlash · 02-06-2020 9:25am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

This id love to see what everyone knows?

Fact of matter is, the more people have a go at SF and talk them down, means more relevant and in the head of FFG they are.

The time is coming, Tiocfaidh ár Lá

The time for what?

Bishop of hope · 02-06-2020 9:26am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

This id love to see what everyone knows?

Fact of matter is, the more people have a go at SF and talk them down, means more relevant and in the head of FFG they are.

The time is coming, Tiocfaidh ár Lá

Actually, I don't doubt that. But what difference do you expect that to make.
Like what will SF offer that will be that much different to What FG and FF are offering, or promising anyway?

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 9:30am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Actually, I don't doubt that. But what difference do you expect that to make.
Like what will SF offer that will be that much different to What FG and FF are offering, or promising anyway?

For a start the people in the election voted for change, SF in some type Govt would be just that.

FFG do not want change though, but we all know FF could change their mind at any stage

First off, id imagine the likes of Apple etc would pay their fair share of tax

Bishop of hope · 02-06-2020 9:40am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

For a start the people in the election voted for change, SF in some type Govt would be just that.

FFG do not want change though, but we all know FF could change their mind at any stage

First off, id imagine the likes of Apple etc would pay their fair share of tax

You'd imagine?
I doubt you know how taxes work so.
It will take more than electing a SF Govt to change that. Like raising the corporate tax rate.
Do you think that is a good idea?

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-06-2020 9:43am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

For a start the people in the election voted for change, SF in some type Govt would be just that.

FFG do not want change though, but we all know FF could change their mind at any stage

First off, id imagine the likes of Apple etc would pay their fair share of tax

No they didnt

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 9:45am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

No they didnt

Yes they did, What % of the vote did FG and the independents receive?

What did the rest get?

More people voted against the Govt than for them

markodaly · 02-06-2020 10:29am

smurgen wrote: »

Really isn't it Varadkar and Trump that have the great relationship? Didn't he promise to teach him how to golf and didn't Varadkar sort out that pesky windfarm application for him?

I see you didn't answer the question.
What media outlet do you think is NOT biased against SF?

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 10:31am

markodaly wrote: »

I see you didn't answer the question.
What media outlet do you think is NOT biased against SF?

Expect a reply along the lines of

But but but the IRA

Poor_old_gill · 02-06-2020 10:47am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

For a start the people in the election voted for change, SF in some type Govt would be just that.

FFG do not want change though, but we all know FF could change their mind at any stage

First off, id imagine the likes of Apple etc would pay their fair share of tax

I love the tax argument to be honest.

Why do you think Apple are here? Do you think Tim Cook used go to bed as a young fella dreaming about the north part of Cork City & utter to himself "One day Timmy boy, one day"?

Google didnt move here because of their executives love of coddle either, in case you are wondering

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-06-2020 10:55am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Yes they did, What % of the vote did FG and the independents receive?

What did the rest get?

More people voted against the Govt than for them

When was the last time any sitting government got over 50% of the vote in Ireland?

The people voted for a range of parties, a number of which dont seem to be able to form a government together

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 11:10am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

When was the last time any sitting government got over 50% of the vote in Ireland?

The people voted for a range of parties, a number of which dont seem to be able to form a government together

I said people voted for change.

your words

"No they didn't"

So are you now saying they did?

smurgen · 02-06-2020 11:14am

markodaly wrote: »

I see you didn't answer the question.
What media outlet do you think is NOT biased against SF?

The Guardian for one. Really thought their coverage of the elections were good. Also the Currency.

Edgware · 02-06-2020 11:17am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

For a start the people in the election voted for change, SF in some type Govt would be just that.

FFG do not want change though, but we all know FF could change their mind at any stage

First off, id imagine the likes of Apple etc would pay their fair share of tax

Your imagination causes you a lot of difficulty. It will probably improve in your teenage years

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 11:22am

Edgware wrote: »

Your imagination causes you a lot of difficulty. It will probably improve in your teenage years

Another one who just thinks they can talk down to people.

FG supporters seem to be good at that, wonder where they get it from?

aido79 · 02-06-2020 11:28am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I said people voted for change.

your words

"No they didn't"

So are you now saying they did?

Every election is a vote for a change. It's the inherent reason for an election.

Can you explain what change you wanted when you voted for SF and how they are going to change Ireland for the better?

Bear in mind also that 75% of voters didn't vote for SF.

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 11:38am

aido79 wrote: »

Every election is a vote for a change. It's the inherent reason for an election.

Can you explain what change you wanted when you voted for SF and how they are going to change Ireland for the better?

Bear in mind also that 75% of voters didn't vote for SF.

Well 25% voted for FF, as they stated they would not go into Govt with FG.

Thats 50%. So at least half the country do not want FG in Govt

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 11:42am

aido79 wrote: »

Every election is a vote for a change. It's the inherent reason for an election.

Can you explain what change you wanted when you voted for SF and how they are going to change Ireland for the better?

Bear in mind also that 75% of voters didn't vote for SF.

Well they want to sort the homeless crisis out, which FG have no intention of.

They want to push for a United Ireland, which FG have no intention of.

They want to stop renters getting robbed with no chance ever of a mortgage, which Fg have no intention of.

I could go on

aido79 · 02-06-2020 11:52am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well 25% voted for FF, as they stated they would not go into Govt with FG.

Thats 50%. So at least half the country do not want FG in Govt

I doubt everyone who voted for FF did so because they didn't want a FF/FG coalition. Some probably did but not the full 25%

aido79 · 02-06-2020 11:57am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well they want to sort the homeless crisis out, which FG have no intention of.

They want to push for a United Ireland, which FG have no intention of.

They want to stop renters getting robbed with no chance ever of a mortgage, which Fg have no intention of.

I could go on

Please go on. I'm definitely not going to stop you and I will read everything you have to say on how they can do all of these things and more.

My daughter wants a purple unicorn for her birthday. I have no intention of getting it. That's similar to what you are asking FG to do.

None of these these things have the easy solutions that SF and their supporters seem to think they have.

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 12:19pm

aido79 wrote: »

I doubt everyone who voted for FF did so because they didn't want a FF/FG coalition. Some probably did but not the full 25%

Well if i voted for a party who stated "We will not go into Govt with FG" and then changed their mind as soon as the results were out (even though we all knew they were lying all along) Id be pretty upset.

Same way FG have broken election promises since 2011 like they are going out of fashion.

I want a party who will fight for the people not themselves

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-06-2020 12:21pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well 25% voted for FF, as they stated they would not go into Govt with FG.

Thats 50%. So at least half the country do not want FG in Govt

Who both in turn stated they would not go in with SF.

So we can't form a government

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-06-2020 12:22pm

aido79 wrote: »

I doubt everyone who voted for FF did so because they didn't want a FF/FG coalition. Some probably did but not the full 25%

The poll closest to the vote indicated that the party people least wanted to see in government was SF.

I'm actually dont want to dig at SF, it's this "change" soundbite

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 12:27pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Who both in turn stated they would not go in with SF.

So we can't form a government

Back to the election boxes we go. Every young person in Ireland will be out to vote, they have all seen what went on before the election (Keep Sinn Fein out) and whats going on now (Keep Sinn Fein out)

Id imagine that 25% will be alot higher!

aido79 · 02-06-2020 12:41pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well if i voted for a party who stated "We will not go into Govt with FG" and then changed their mind as soon as the results were out (even though we all knew they were lying all along) Id be pretty upset.

Same way FG have broken election promises since 2011 like they are going out of fashion.

I want a party who will fight for the people not themselves

You voted for a party who said they would not go into government with either FF or FG but then whinged when they were excluded from government formation talks by those two parties.
They made it sound like they would have jumped at the chance of forming a government with either FF or FG in the end.

I would actually love to see Sinn Fein in government solely to see how many election promises they would break. I'll emigrate again if that ever happens so the mess they make won't affect me.

aido79 · 02-06-2020 12:43pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

The poll closest to the vote indicated that the party people least wanted to see in government was SF.

I'm actually dont want to dig at SF, it's this "change" soundbite

And yet they still think they won the election.

As I said earlier the inherent reason for an election is change so making it part of a election slogan doesn't make any sense to me.

aido79 · 02-06-2020 12:50pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Back to the election boxes we go. Every young person in Ireland will be out to vote, they have all seen what went on before the election (Keep Sinn Fein out) and whats going on now (Keep Sinn Fein out)

Id imagine that 25% will be alot higher!

Why are you so sure it will be higher?

I actually think another election could be disastrous for Sinn Fein. They would most likely run more candidates where new candidates would take votes away from their running mates leaving some constituencies where none of their candidates may meet the quotas and so having the opposite effect. They might end up in a situation where they get less seats. They would have a lot of work to do to convince people they are serious about forming a government if the last few months are anything to go by.

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 1:00pm

aido79 wrote: »

Why are you so sure it will be higher?

I actually think another election could be disastrous for Sinn Fein. They would most likely run more candidates where new candidates would take votes away from their running mates leaving some constituencies where none of their candidates may meet the quotas and so having the opposite effect. They might end up in a situation where they get less seats. They would have a lot of work to do to convince people they are serious about forming a government if the last few months are anything to go by.

Because young people are fed up with FF/G.

One look at twitter etc will show you this.

I think another election will be disastrous for FG, especially way Leo talks down to people, dosnt care what anyones saying to him. People have caught on, his election results tell us that.
His own people in Dublin West, prefer a SF man

Edgware · 02-06-2020 1:05pm

aido79 wrote: »

You voted for a party who said they would not go into government with either FF or FG but then whinged when they were excluded from government formation talks by those two parties.
They made it sound like they would have jumped at the chance of forming a government with either FF or FG in the end.

I would actually love to see Sinn Fein in government solely to see how many election promises they would break. I'll emigrate again if that ever happens so the mess they make won't affect me.

If you go keep an eye out for Ray Darcy. He went in protest at Enda Kenny becoming Taoiseach

aido79 · 02-06-2020 1:17pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Because young people are fed up with FF/G.

One look at twitter etc will show you this.

I think another election will be disastrous for FG, especially way Leo talks down to people, dosnt care what anyones saying to him. People have caught on, his election results tell us that.
His own people in Dublin West, prefer a SF man

If you were to use that constituency as an example and combine the FG votes and compare them to the SF votes you'll see there's about 2000 votes in the difference. This is what I mean when I say that even if Sinn Fein were to run more candidates it might not equate to more seats. Like a lot of other constituencies where Sinn Fein done well there isn't enough place for another Sinn Fein candidate and they would be taking the chance that neither candidate might get elected.

dundalkfc10 · 02-06-2020 1:20pm

aido79 wrote: »

If you were to use that constituency as an example and combine the FG votes and compare them to the SF votes you'll see there's about 2000 votes in the difference. This is what I mean when I say that even if Sinn Fein were to run more candidates it might not equate to more seats. Like a lot of other constituencies where Sinn Fein done well there isn't enough place for another Sinn Fein candidate and they would be taking the chance that neither candidate might get elected.

Roll on the new election so.

aido79 · 02-06-2020 1:39pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Roll on the new election so.

Yeah shouldn't be too hard to get the 5000 or so extra votes in that constituency to get 2 SF seats. Other constituencies should be fairly easy too.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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