Is it just me or have SF vanished?

ThunbergsAreGo · 26-05-2020 02:54PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Neale's leader, who is careful about his image and PR, has a nice big portrait of Collins in his office publicity shots.

So that's a no

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2020 02:56PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

So that's a no

I don't know the answer as nobody has asked him.
I presume he has no problem with fighting for your beliefs/goals though as he is an advocate of wearing the poppy. Maybe it's only right to fight for another country?

aido79 · 26-05-2020 02:59PM

jm08 wrote: »

People didn't mind Michael Collins who had plenty of bloods on his hands or Sean Lemass either.

Its a bit rich actually Neale Richmond taking the high moral ground on this one bearing in mind the fascist origins of his party who executed about 80 republican prisoners (their former comrades) including Erskine Childers for the possession of a pistol.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/erskine-childers-executed-over-possession-of-a-pistol-1.4036480

Oh, and don't forget Sean MacBride (son of Maud Gonne) who was Chief of Staff of the IRA in the 30s, later won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Now that's what I call digging deep to defend SF and their IRA connections/allegiances. Hats off to ya!

ThunbergsAreGo · 26-05-2020 03:07PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't know the answer as nobody has asked him.
I presume he has no problem with fighting for your beliefs/goals though as he is an advocate of wearing the poppy. Maybe it's only right to fight for another country?

Do you think Mcdonald was correct in what she said?

dundalkfc10 · 26-05-2020 03:12PM

aido79 wrote: »

Not only is she defending the IRA campaign she's actually saying she probably would have joined the IRA if she have been born in the north

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/mary-lou-mcdonald-comments-hammer-home-fine-gael-concerns-over-talks-1001631.html

Is that really the kind of person who people want as Taoiseach?

Our current Taoiseach critisted the nuirses of this country for going on strike to try and get better conditions and a better health service (would which have save hundreds of lives), let Dr Tony away with lying about the cervical checks which resulted in many deaths. Plenty of blood on Leo's hands

Id prefer someone like Mary who has no blood on her hands to be my Taoiseach

Edgware · 26-05-2020 03:20PM

aido79 wrote: »

Not only is she defending the IRA campaign she's actually saying she probably would have joined the IRA if she have been born in the north

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/mary-lou-mcdonald-comments-hammer-home-fine-gael-concerns-over-talks-1001631.html

Is that really the kind of person who people want as Taoiseach?

She wouldnt have joined. She would have followed the example of her great leader and encouraged poor gullible young people to do so and end up dead or serving long sentences.
But she would be available for funeral orations, she has a lovely turn of phrase

aido79 · 26-05-2020 03:28PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Our current Taoiseach critisted the nuirses of this country for going on strike to try and get better conditions and a better health service (would which have save hundreds of lives), let Dr Tony away with lying about the cervical checks which resulted in many deaths. Plenty of blood on Leo's hands

Id prefer someone like Mary who has no blood on her hands to be my Taoiseach

He criticised them for going on strike midweek rather than on a weekend where it would have caused less disruption. He didn't criticise them for actually going on strike.
Can you show me where he knew about Tony Holohan lying about the cervical checks. This article says Holohan didn't flag it with Varadkar
https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2018/05/16/news/irish-news/tony-holohan-knew-of-cervical-check-memo/amp

All of this is a bit different from someone stating that they would have probably joined a terrorist organisation which murdered innocent people if they were born in the North.

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2020 03:32PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Do you think Mcdonald was correct in what she said?

I didn't read it. Was did she say that was incorrect? That she believed 'the IRA was justified?'...have you discovered something that says she thinks otherwise?

aido79 · 26-05-2020 03:33PM

Edgware wrote: »

She wouldnt have joined. She would have followed the example of her great leader and encouraged poor gullible young people to do so and end up dead or serving long sentences.
But she would be available for funeral orations, she has a lovely turn of phrase

I'll be very surprised if he doesn't have the gun salute and tricolour on the coffin at his funeral.
She might not join but she'll defend their actions til her dying day.

dundalkfc10 · 26-05-2020 03:43PM

aido79 wrote: »

He criticised them for going on strike midweek rather than on a weekend where it would have caused less disruption. He didn't criticise them for actually going on strike.
Can you show me where he knew about Tony Holohan lying about the cervical checks. This article says Holohan didn't flag it with Varadkar
https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2018/05/16/news/irish-news/tony-holohan-knew-of-cervical-check-memo/amp

All of this is a bit different from someone stating that they would have probably joined a terrorist organisation which murdered innocent people if they were born in the North.

Why the **** would he listen to someone now who lied to his face over something so serious now?

I would have joined the IRA if my family had to go through some of the awful things Catholics had to put up with up North.

Are you surprised that a Republican would have joined the Republican army during the Civil War up North?

P.S Leo willingly lets Terrorists into Ireland to re-fuel their planes when going to oil wars when we are meant to be a neutral country.

dundalkfc10 · 26-05-2020 03:50PM

Edgware wrote: »

She wouldnt have joined. She would have followed the example of her great leader and encouraged poor gullible young people to do so and end up dead or serving long sentences.
But she would be available for funeral orations, she has a lovely turn of phrase

Mary beating Leo hands down in the election (Leo done all her work for her, having a go at Sinn Fein at every moment) must be getting to you.

Sinn Fein are now more popular in the Republic than Fine Gael and it ****ing kills ya

padd b1975 · 26-05-2020 04:09PM

aido79 wrote: »

Not only is she defending the IRA campaign she's actually saying she probably would have joined the IRA if she have been born in the north

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/mary-lou-mcdonald-comments-hammer-home-fine-gael-concerns-over-talks-1001631.html

Is that really the kind of person who people want as Taoiseach?

LOL.

Could you imagine her waddling over to a British soldier in a pub in her sexiest frumpy frock with a G&T in one hand and a fag in the other trying to set a honey trap to lure him to his murder.

James Brown · 26-05-2020 04:22PM

aido79 wrote: »

I'll be very surprised if he doesn't have the gun salute and tricolour on the coffin at his funeral.
She might not join but she'll defend their actions til her dying day.

Are you suggesting people in SF, some of whom are former IRA members, might be supporters of the IRA and it's actions? :eek:

jm08 · 26-05-2020 04:27PM

aido79 wrote: »

Now that's what I call digging deep to defend SF and their IRA connections/allegiances. Hats off to ya!

No, its not defending Sinn Fein or the IRA. I have given Fine Gael/Fianna Fail as many votes as I have given Sinn Fein (not a lot), but anyone who actually knows anything about Fianna Fail or Fine Gael knows that it is a bit rich for either of those parties to point the finger at any other party if you know the origins of this State and the blood bath that those two factions caused, except in their case it was Irish men and Irish women who were getting killed where as with the conflict in the north, it was Irish versus the British.

Both Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have a lot of Irish blood on their hands.

jm08 · 26-05-2020 04:30PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

LOL.

Could you imagine her waddling over to a British soldier in a pub in her sexiest frumpy frock with a G&T in one hand and a fag in the other trying to set a honey trap to lure him to his murder.

Not surprising to see misogyny is alive and well in FG/FF supporters in Ireland.

padd b1975 · 26-05-2020 04:57PM

jm08 wrote: »

Not surprising to see misogyny is alive and well in FG/FF supporters in Ireland.

Calm down there Nell McCafferty.

Just visualising a scenario the lovely Mary Lou might have found herself.

jm08 · 26-05-2020 05:15PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Calm down there Nell McCafferty.

Keep digging.

Just visualising a scenario the lovely Mary Lou might have found herself.

I'd say a 25 year old Mary Lou would have had lads like you panting after her. From 2004 (when in her 30s).

https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/2020/0209/1114282-mary-lou-mcdonald-profile/

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2020 05:21PM

jm08 wrote: »

Not surprising to see misogyny is alive and well in FG/FF supporters in Ireland.

It just oozes out of a few fellas on here.

Edgware · 26-05-2020 06:05PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Mary beating Leo hands down in the election (Leo done all her work for her, having a go at Sinn Fein at every moment) must be getting to you.

Sinn Fein are now more popular in the Republic than Fine Gael and it ****ing kills ya

Grab any little bit of hope to keep you going. She'll make a great leader of the opposition.
Pity no one will pay any attention to her brainfart policies

padd b1975 · 26-05-2020 06:07PM

jm08 wrote: »

Keep digging.

I'd say a 25 year old Mary Lou would have had lads like you panting after her. From 2004 (when in her 30s).

https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/2020/0209/1114282-mary-lou-mcdonald-profile/

Maybe after twelve pints at 02.45 in Sachs hotel...

Edgware · 26-05-2020 08:23PM

jm08 wrote: »

Keep digging.

I'd say a 25 year old Mary Lou would have had lads like you panting after her. From 2004 (when in her 30s).

https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/2020/0209/1114282-mary-lou-mcdonald-profile/

Only if she was dishing up an extra portion of chips with the battered sausage in Marcos grill

aido79 · 26-05-2020 09:24PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Why the **** would he listen to someone now who lied to his face over something so serious now?

I would have joined the IRA if my family had to go through some of the awful things Catholics had to put up with up North.

Are you surprised that a Republican would have joined the Republican army during the Civil War up North?

P.S Leo willingly lets Terrorists into Ireland to re-fuel their planes when going to oil wars when we are meant to be a neutral country.

Because he's the chief medical officer.

That's your choice but you'll probably never state that in a newspaper article.

What civil war up North?

The US army are a terrorist organisation?

aido79 · 26-05-2020 09:26PM

jm08 wrote: »

No, its not defending Sinn Fein or the IRA. I have given Fine Gael/Fianna Fail as many votes as I have given Sinn Fein (not a lot), but anyone who actually knows anything about Fianna Fail or Fine Gael knows that it is a bit rich for either of those parties to point the finger at any other party if you know the origins of this State and the blood bath that those two factions caused, except in their case it was Irish men and Irish women who were getting killed where as with the conflict in the north, it was Irish versus the British.

Both Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have a lot of Irish blood on their hands.

Why does it always come back to this? People in this country really need to learn to separate history from politics.

maccored · 26-05-2020 10:48PM

aido79 wrote: »

Why does it always come back to this? People in this country really need to learn to separate history from politics.

you could have a point there - sf have developed through conflict and into politics which is now history - but its brought up quite a lot

JohnnyFlash · 01-06-2020 10:48AM

Excellent article here from Colm Keena about being wary of populist politics, especially of parties who have abusive online support bases. He is of course talking about SF, and how some of their online army gang up on anything ‘establishment’ on Twitter and Facebook. Populism is dangerous, especially when it’s being preached by a party with a paramilitary wing in the recent past. Beware of snakes in the long grass.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/populist-politics-in-all-but-name-is-alive-and-well-in-ireland-1.4265927?mode=amp

da_miser · 01-06-2020 11:08AM

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/rise-in-pension-age-back-on-cards-due-to-cost-of-covid-19-39248786.html
Talk of raising the retirement age, if they do , SF will win in a landslide next election, no doubt about that

blanch152 · 01-06-2020 11:09AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Excellent article here from Colm Keena about being wary of populist politics, especially of parties who have abusive online support bases. He is of course talking about SF, and how some of their online army gang up on anything ‘establishment’ on Twitter and Facebook. Populism is dangerous, especially when it’s being preached by a party with a paramilitary wing in the recent past. Beware of snakes in the long grass.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/populist-politics-in-all-but-name-is-alive-and-well-in-ireland-1.4265927?mode=amp

In before the standard “you are a West Brit partitionist with no proof” insult.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 11:18AM

blanch152 wrote: »

In before the standard “you are a West Brit partitionist with no proof” insult.

What about the 'Shinner Ra scum' one that's a pretty common one.

'Partitionist' isn't an insult, it is a political position held by a few people in Ireland where they obstruct and place obstacles in the way of a unified island. Like calling for the percentage of a majority to be raised or dismissing any talk of a UI because of money.
They need to own that descriptor because any political movement that forms in the south to oppose partition is going to be called that...'partitionist'. For the same reason the putative next government intends to called it's United Ireland body the 'Unity Unit'.

ThunbergsAreGo · 01-06-2020 11:21AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Excellent article here from Colm Keena about being wary of populist politics, especially of parties who have abusive online support bases. He is of course talking about SF, and how some of their online army gang up on anything ‘establishment’ on Twitter and Facebook. Populism is dangerous, especially when it’s being preached by a party with a paramilitary wing in the recent past. Beware of snakes in the long grass.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/populist-politics-in-all-but-name-is-alive-and-well-in-ireland-1.4265927?mode=amp

Very good article, the abuse culture on Facebook and Twitter is appalling

Colonel Claptrap · 01-06-2020 01:11PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Excellent article here from Colm Keena about being wary of populist politics, especially of parties who have abusive online support bases. He is of course talking about SF, and how some of their online army gang up on anything ‘establishment’ on Twitter and Facebook. Populism is dangerous, especially when it’s being preached by a party with a paramilitary wing in the recent past. Beware of snakes in the long grass.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/populist-politics-in-all-but-name-is-alive-and-well-in-ireland-1.4265927?mode=amp

Very obvious which party he is referring to.

Why is that?

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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