Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Poor_old_gill · 01-06-2020 09:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I severly doubt,you have too many neo-libs voting for the shinners tbh mate

The comma there is misleading?
I presume you didn’t mean it?

James Brown · 01-06-2020 09:50PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I’m not an FG or an FF supporter

Nice whataboutery attempt though

Read like you were talking about FG to me.
Can you show where SF were openly pushing the agenda you described?

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

The comma there is misleading?
I presume you didn’t mean it?

Ah, just coming in for a give out. Fair enough. Lots of folk on bad form today. Flashbacks from election night I'd imagine.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 09:50PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Sad.

What is your reasoning for it?

Every single time his sexuality is mentioned you bring homophobia into the debate.
Somebody takes his partners name and while not displaying any other traits of 'homophobia' you cannot see it for the lighthearted joke it was but trenchantly and 'consistently' refer to it as 'low level homophobia' (what ever the f**k that is).

If I called myself Mrs Michael D Higgins, would that be just a joke or something sinister?

You either have a thing about it or you are like a teenager who has discovered a cause.

01-06-2020 09:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is your reasoning for it?

Every single time his sexuality is mentioned you bring homophobia into the debate.
Somebody takes his partners name and while not displaying any other traits of 'homophobia' you cannot see it for the lighthearted joke it was but trenchantly and 'consistently' refer to it as 'low level homophobia' (what ever the f**k that is).

If I called myself Mrs Michael D Higgins, would that be just a joke or something sinister?

You either have a thing about it or you are like a teenager who has discovered a cause.

Its only to enflame thread,and get it shut down as his mundane propagangaised critism deosnt wash anymore

....if there was valid concerns of homophobia,it would be reported by everyone and beasty would quite rightly ban anyone doing it

Poor_old_gill · 01-06-2020 09:55PM

Bowie wrote: »

Read like you were talking about FG to me.
Can you show where SF were openly pushing the agenda you described?

Ah, just coming in for a give out. Fair enough. Lots of folk on bad form today. Flashbacks from election night I'd imagine.

I’m not coming in for a give out, I was helping you to correct the mistake you made in your point.

Also I wasn’t referring to neo liberals and I think you understood that.

SF had anti-vax & anti Semitic rhetoric comin from candidates - were you not aware of this?

I want change as much as was preached but not dangerous, loon ball change

James Brown · 01-06-2020 09:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is your reasoning for it?

Every single time his sexuality is mentioned you bring homophobia into the debate.
Somebody takes his partners name and while not displaying any other traits of 'homophobia' you cannot see it for the lighthearted joke it was but trenchantly and 'consistently' refer to it as 'low level homophobia' (what ever the f**k that is).

If I called myself Mrs Michael D Higgins, would that be just a joke or something sinister?

You either have a thing about it or you are like a teenager who has discovered a cause.

TBF, he does it when neither Varadkar nor his sexuality is being discussed such as here and now.
It's very low brow to use it to try get a little dig in. Makes a mockery of anyone genuinely speaking out on homophobia.
Anytime this comes up it's never accompanied with any supporting quotes. It's poor commentators with even poorer manners desperate for a win.

atticu · 01-06-2020 09:58PM

McMurphy wrote: »

You understand the definition of whataboutery yeah?

Why don’t you take this opportunity to explain it.

That way we will all know your definition, and can refer back to it.

buzzing147 · 01-06-2020 10:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

the govt have families.

everyone has families.

where are sf?

One member near me hasn't left house in 2 months apart from to stand outside smoking, do they still have full wages during lockdown

James Brown · 01-06-2020 10:00PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I’m not coming in for a give out, I was helping you to correct the mistake you made in your point.

Also I wasn’t referring to neo liberals and I think you understood that.

SF had anti-vax & anti Semitic rhetoric comin from candidates - were you not aware of this?

I want change as much as was preached but not dangerous, loon ball change

Yes. Pointing out senior FG government politicians did too. You sounded like you thought this was an only SF issue.
Any chance of some links or quotes to back up your claim:

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Between this, the anti-vaccination stuff, the anti Semitic & anti immigrant stuff - serious alarm bells should be ringing.

It’s baffling that SF have managed to get the young vote out when they have members who openly push the above agenda.

Convincing the young liberal vote to vote for SF is akin to Trump convincing the working class Americans that he was their saviour - it defies logic

'Agenda' is more than a few shams saying something.
SF had help from FG getting more votes.

Poor_old_gill · 01-06-2020 10:04PM

Bowie wrote: »

Yes. Pointing out senior FG government politicians did too. You sounded like you thought this was an only SF issue.
Any chance of some links or quotes to back up your claim:

Agenda is more than a few shams saying something.

By shams you mean elected TDs from the SF party?

Can you not see why this makes SF so worrying to some people? They are an incoherent hotch potch of all different kind of loon balls.

Some of their TDs are sailing very close to Gemma O Doherty territory & that scares the boll*x out of me

01-06-2020 10:08PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

By shams you mean elected TDs from the SF party?

Can you not see why this makes SF so worrying to some people? They are an incoherent hotch potch of all different kind of loon balls.

Some of their TDs are sailing very close to Gemma O Doherty territory & that scares the boll*x out of me

Id imagine verona murphy (you know the wan leo canvassed for a week after she essentially called immigrants terrorists),is likely closer to gemma odoherty in outlook??

Iirc she was even invited to coalition talks as part of indo alliance??

James Brown · 01-06-2020 10:11PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

By shams you mean elected TDs from the SF party?

Can you not see why this makes SF so worrying to some people? They are an incoherent hotch potch of all different kind of loon balls.

Some of their TDs are sailing very close to Gemma O Doherty territory & that scares the boll*x out of me

Anyone talking ****e, so could be yeah.

That's not backing up your claim.
Well we'd one TD calling protesters ISIS and another one sexually harassing a fellow female TD, so what's your standards on that kind of thing? Best going by who over saw record breaking social crises and trying to get rid than buying into a few scaremongering tales any day. It's clear some parties have little regard for the Irish public. I think SD/SF/PBP etc. are worth a look.

blanch152 · 01-06-2020 10:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Id imagine verona murphy (you know the wan leo canvassed for a week after she essentially called immigrants terrorists),is likely closer to gemma odoherty in outlook??

Iirc she was even invited to coalition talks as part of indo alliance??

Nah, nothing like Violet.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 10:12PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

They are an incoherent hotch potch of all different kind of loon balls.

You should come take a look at the local FG party here.

From the corrupt to the violent to the ridiculous.

James Brown · 01-06-2020 10:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Id imagine verona murphy (you know the wan leo canvassed for a week after she essentially called immigrants terrorists),is likely closer to gemma odoherty in outlook??

Iirc she was even invited to coalition talks as part of indo alliance??

He'll be knocking down her door after visiting Lowry if he needs the seats.

James Brown · 01-06-2020 10:14PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Nah, nothing like Violet.

It's cool John Paul Phelan and Finian McGrath are.

Poor_old_gill · 01-06-2020 10:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You should come take a look at the local FG party here. From the corrupt to the violent to the ridiculous.

Again- I’m not an FG supporter.

If SF could find a few more Pearse Doherty & Eoin o Brioin’s then I might be able to get behind them but at the moment there’s too many loon balls

Poor_old_gill · 01-06-2020 10:26PM

Bowie wrote: »

Anyone talking ****e, so could be yeah.

That's not backing up your claim.
Well we'd one TD calling protesters ISIS and another one sexually harassing a fellow female TD, so what's your standards on that kind of thing? Best going by who over saw record breaking social crises and trying to get rid than buying into a few scaremongering tales any day. It's clear some parties have little regard for the Irish public. I think SD/SF/PBP etc. are worth a look.

I don’t even know where to start with this.
So you’re agreeing that SF members are talking ****e?
And your plan is to buy into an incoherent dream from a party who failed to deal with social crises in NI?

You don’t really have a point

Poor_old_gill · 01-06-2020 10:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Id imagine verona murphy (you know the wan leo canvassed for a week after she essentially called immigrants terrorists),is likely closer to gemma odoherty in outlook??

Iirc she was even invited to coalition talks as part of indo alliance??

Pointless whataboutery.

Verona can be a loon ball and it doesn’t take away from the fact that SF have several of the same ilk

major interest · 01-06-2020 10:31PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Is this the same lad jflash linked to?

Sadly Colm Kenna has become a very bitter Anti-Sinn Fein Irish Times Journalist. Why now Colm?]

Can’t deny that some journalists (a few in the indo particularly) can be biased. However that attached piece is pure garbage. “Leo the lioness” - low brow stuff.

01-06-2020 10:43PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Pointless whataboutery.

Verona can be a loon ball and it doesn’t take away from the fact that SF have several of the same ilk

Its really not

You said there was several shinners close to gemma odoherty outlook (and used it as reason not to vote for em,which is fair enough,despite providing no actual evidence,which is perplexing)

...i pointed out in immediate aftermath of verona essemtially calling immigrants terrorist,varadkar canvassed for her in a by-election,and since she is now an indo,was invited to government formation talks

Never has a case of whataboutery,been more relevent?

Seems FFG,wants to put a lightweight gemma odoherty into government??

Your seemingly being ok,with this,raises issues with the bona fide of your orginal complaint imo

JohnnyFlash · 01-06-2020 11:02PM

major interest wrote: »

Can’t deny that some journalists (a few in the indo particularly) can be biased. However that attached piece is pure garbage. “Leo the lioness” - low brow stuff.

It’s the demented rantings of a barely coherent halfwit.

tabby aspreme · 01-06-2020 11:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Id imagine verona murphy (you know the wan leo canvassed for a week after she essentially called immigrants terrorists),is likely closer to gemma odoherty in outlook??

Iirc she was even invited to coalition talks as part of indo alliance??

So if she essentially called immigrants terrorists, that means that she actually didn't, I would think Verona is well qualified to speak about the lack of security regarding immigration

James Brown · 01-06-2020 11:12PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I don’t even know where to start with this.
So you’re agreeing that SF members are talking ****e?
And your plan is to buy into an incoherent dream from a party who failed to deal with social crises in NI?

You don’t really have a point

Yes. That councillor houlihan for one. The up the 'ra lad etc.
You can't criticise SF claim to be non party and then act all confused when you meet same.
Now you're not making sense. I don't have a vote up north. SF don't control the north. Wise up. You are making excuses to try back up your spin.
I'll repeat it, when I see a government over seeing record breaking crises year on year making them worse, I'll take a chance on another party or two.

markodaly · 02-06-2020 03:42AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Partitionist' isn't an insult, it is a political position.

It's used as a pejorative, like West Brits.

markodaly · 02-06-2020 03:44AM

Bowie wrote: »

The Irish Times has been pretty biased.

Is there an Irish media outlet that is not biased towards SF?

So far we have:
RTE
Sindo
Irish Independent
Irish Times
Newstalk

Am I missing any?

Trump and SF, one step closer to a perfect marriage.

Poor_old_gill · 02-06-2020 06:24AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its really not

You said there was several shinners close to gemma odoherty outlook (and used it as reason not to vote for em,which is fair enough,despite providing no actual evidence,which is perplexing)

...i pointed out in immediate aftermath of verona essemtially calling immigrants terrorist,varadkar canvassed for her in a by-election,and since she is now an indo,was invited to government formation talks

Never has a case of whataboutery,been more relevent?

Seems FFG,wants to put a lightweight gemma odoherty into government??

Your seemingly being ok,with this,raises issues with the bona fide of your orginal complaint imo

Ok with Verona Murphy? What are you talking about? I’ve never said anything like that.

Whataboutery is all you have and not only is it a complete dereliction of fixing issues in SF but it’s misdirected.

Stop taking pointless scattergun swipes and fix your own disjointed party

Poor_old_gill · 02-06-2020 06:28AM

Bowie wrote: »

Yes. That councillor houlihan for one. The up the 'ra lad etc.
You can't criticise SF claim to be non party and then act all confused when you meet same.
Now you're not making sense. I don't have a vote up north. SF don't control the north. Wise up. You are making excuses to try back up your spin.
I'll repeat it, when I see a government over seeing record breaking crises year on year making them worse, I'll take a chance on another party or two.

SF do have power in the north and they’ve done nothing with it other than bring the country backwards. Give me 2 useful policies they’ve brought in three?

Pointing out where everyone else is wrong is easy but doing right yourself is a lot harder.

SF are the ultimate ‘hurler on the ditch’ party

02-06-2020 07:07AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Ok with Verona Murphy? What are you talking about? I’ve never said anything like that.

Whataboutery is all you have and not only is it a complete dereliction of fixing issues in SF but it’s misdirected.

Stop taking pointless scattergun swipes and fix your own disjointed party

Just aswell im no way connected with shinners

Quite,why your taking offence at verona murphy,being closer in outlook to gemma odoherty than any shinners is somewhat beyond me....

but that is your own cross to carry mate

02-06-2020 07:08AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

SF do have power in the north

SF are the ultimate ‘hurler on the ditch’ party

These two positions are not compatible :pac:

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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