Dublin v Kerry. All Ireland Football Final 2011 * Mod Warning Post #647 *

listermint · 29-08-2011 12:48pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Dublin did plenty of the delay tactics and play acting themselves once they got the lead.

We can discuss that on the other Thread. Keep to context.

29-08-2011 12:48pm

realies wrote: »

Well at least Dublin will be going into this game as massive underdogs, so that's a help.Dublin have it in them to beat kerry on the day its not an impossibility.I would be quietly confident that we can do it.

Almost similar to our own semi final in the hurling that game v Donegal yesterday might be a massive help in keeping Dublin players feet on the ground. i think ye will do it. i have nothing against Kerry and have the greatest respect for them for the way they approach football but i think it could be the year of the dubs and it might'nt be a bad thing for another side to come back onto the roll of honour as opposed to Kerry sweeping the board all the time.

In the 2009 QF, Everything went wrong for Dublin that day. Kerry got off to a flyer and the real critical point was the save their goalkeeper made from Brogan. Had that gone in i think it would have gave Dublin a spurt of confidence but instead it gave Kerry the confidence to go on and win easily in the end, and it sucked the belief out of Dublin.
Dublin will have learned alot from that and will approach the game different.

I suppose so long as ye dont win the minors im not that bothered

TouchingVirus · 29-08-2011 12:49pm

realies wrote: »

Don't have a problem with posters objectively looking at the Dublin team ,Its the constant Anti Dublin Everything posters who piss me off,especially the ones from leinster,chips on there shoulder is not the word i would use to describe them,

Yeah, it's very poor stuff to be honest and getting on my nerves too.

And your right looking at the statistics kerry should win, but stranger things have happened and its not impossible for them Dublin to do it.Ps did Dublin not beat kerry this year in league ?

Don't bring in the League, it was a different Kerry, just like it was a different Kilkenny for the hurling

Brendan97 · 29-08-2011 12:49pm

i think pat spillane should just cop himself on. just because donegal don't want to play like kerry doesn't mean they should get all this abuse for the way they play. he knows if a team plays like kerry(the way he wants every team to play) unless they are exeptional, they will lose. now he is trying to turn everyone against blanket defence because he sees donegal will eventually play kerry and maybe beat them, he has seen it happen before with tyrone. he is just scared all teams will do this and kerry will lose their dominance of football and i hope dublin beat them. I am donegal but i hope the dubs win

the realpigiron · 29-08-2011 12:50pm

Most of the opinion on this thread bar Dub fans appear to think it's a "done deal" for Kerry. I wouldn't be so sure about it, I'm not sure that this is a great Kerry team and Dublin with a head of steam could take them down. Dublin have a better team now with better players than they ever did under Paul Caffrey, Tommy Lyons and the 'celtic tiger' years of full houses in Croker every time the Dubs played.

orourkeda · 29-08-2011 12:50pm

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

No- I'd go as far to say I am arrogant.

Teams like this come along once in a lifetime. Might as well enjoy it.

The difference is watching the arrogance of the Media Pundits when Dublin have won Fu*k All.

The difference is watching Thomas O'Shea, Galvin, and other Kerry players get singled out and banned (rightly imo) but incidents like Mayo's players openly striking Kerry players not being banned. Galvin missing a season for hitting a ref's notebook and a Cavan player not being disciplined when he struck a referree.

Dublin get worked into a orgasmic frenzy coming up to big games in croke park and then Choke.

This will be the biggest Anti-Climax of them all. The Dublin players will love the attention for the three weeks, the replaying of the 77 All Ireland Semi Final, the replaying of the 95 Win, the endless hyperbole from Person's who know sfa about the game. The fair weather fans turning up and expecting a Dublin Victory because............well the Herald said so,

And the utter dejection when Kerry click in Croke Park in September and wash Dublin away. I can almost taste the ink from the Monday Press.

Arrogant. Damn right I am. And Proud of it. Ciarrai Abu.

Nothing like a big hefty Kerry Hard On

Fr Tod Umptious · 29-08-2011 12:51pm

listermint wrote: »

They Tried that all game, Where you watching ? But Donegal had 3 men on Brogan consistently. Donegal deployed the tactic far more than Armagh ever have. Cynical Fouls and Delaying Frees, rolling around on the pitch.
When did you ever see Armagh at that in 2006? You didnt.

Only Kerry would have been far more cute when it comes to Frees. And The Gooch is the Cutest of them all.

Which brings us back to the point about Dublin having only one good forward.

kilns · 29-08-2011 12:52pm

Kerry fans remind me of Munster fans in a lot of ways.

1 to 15 nobody else from outside the county would get into our team and we are simply unbeatable.

But just like Munster, Kerry are facing a barren few years with no players coming through with distinct lack of success at underage.

The munster fans are beginning to desert their 'belove' Munster, could the same happen when in say 2 years time Kerry are struggling to reach an All Ireland quarter final?

Mr. Incognito · 29-08-2011 12:53pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

The stench of superiority doesn't suit anybody. It's interesting how most of what you're saying was applicable in previous years, but not so much this year. Where's the Dublin hype and the replaying of '95 happening because I've not seen any of it. By your logic you'd have utter disdain for any team that got to the final to play Kerry except Cork/Tyrone, after all none of the other teams have won anything either. But I get the feeling it's a little more to do with the fact it's Dublin you're facing, and you just want to get the boot in that little bit harder. It's a little disappointing tbh.

The Lead up to the Semi Final in 99 had all this sort of affair- watch and see if RTE don't run a documentry on this game in the week running up to the final.

I don't rate Cork in Croke Park either- a review of my posts in the GAA Forum will show you that.

Once Cork went out this year's championship went out the window for me as there was no team left that could conceivably beat Kerry. Dublin simply don't have the tool set.

I'm not targeting Dublin in particular- I have nothing against the ordinary supporters or the team just the media bias that has nothing to do with either.

If Dublin win- they will earn my respect and the respect of a lot of other neutrals but I can't see how they could win this game and pointing that out and being arrogant about it doesn't make me anti Dublin, I'm simply pro Kerry

listermint · 29-08-2011 12:54pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Which brings us back to the point about Dublin having only one good forward.

It doesnt, but you did. But alas il never change your opinion because you hate Dublin.

keane2097 · 29-08-2011 12:56pm

listermint wrote: »

We can discuss that on the other Thread. Keep to context.

You brought it up genius.

Do you expect to see Dublin employing the same cynical time-wasting and play acting in the final as was on display in the last ten minutes yesterday?

listermint · 29-08-2011 12:58pm

keane2097 wrote: »

You brought it up genius.

Do you expect to see Dublin employing the same cynical time-wasting and play acting in the final as was on display in the last ten minutes yesterday?

Oh christ.... Listen my friend I brought that up as a direct comparison to Armaghs setup in 2006. Your the genius who brought your dublin donegal response into this thread. Now get back to the topic at hand and leave that stuff to the other thread.

Christ....

Mr. Incognito · 29-08-2011 12:59pm

kilns wrote: »

Kerry fans remind me of Munster fans in a lot of ways.

1 to 15 nobody else from outside the county would get into our team and we are simply unbeatable.

But just like Munster, Kerry are facing a barren few years with no players coming through with distinct lack of success at underage.

The munster fans are beginning to desert their 'belove' Munster, could the same happen when in say 2 years time Kerry are struggling to reach an All Ireland quarter final?

I don't think so my friend.

Kerry do not have underage sucess because they pick on skill not on size and they bring through at least one player each year.

Barry John Keane, Tommy Walsh, Kirby, Riedy, D Moran, were all recent additions to the squad and expect to see more via this system- I'm was so sorry to see Walsh go as he was exceptional. None of these players have minor medals or U 21's.

I think Gooch's year might be the last time they won a minor but I'm unsure.

Kerry are not in decline- they are just future starts that you are not familiar with yet.

keane2097 · 29-08-2011 12:59pm

kilns wrote: »

Kerry fans remind me of Munster fans in a lot of ways.

1 to 15 nobody else from outside the county would get into our team and we are simply unbeatable.

But just like Munster, Kerry are facing a barren few years with no players coming through with distinct lack of success at underage.

The munster fans are beginning to desert their 'belove' Munster, could the same happen when in say 2 years time Kerry are struggling to reach an All Ireland quarter final?

kilns · 29-08-2011 1:03pm

oh yes sorry, I forgot about that centre half back they have brought through and that quality midfield they have

DDC1990 · 29-08-2011 1:06pm

Brendan97 wrote: »

i think pat spillane should just cop himself on. just because donegal don't want to play like kerry doesn't mean they should get all this abuse for the way they play. he knows if a team plays like kerry(the way he wants every team to play) unless they are exeptional, they will lose. now he is trying to turn everyone against blanket defence because he sees donegal will eventually play kerry and maybe beat them, he has seen it happen before with tyrone. he is just scared all teams will do this and kerry will lose their dominance of football and i hope dublin beat them. I am donegal but i hope the dubs win

If Donegal get as far as Kerry playing that football you might as well play it in Ballyshannon or Letterkenny, because there is no way on earth Kerry fans would pay 40e to watch that sh!te on the field.
Pat Spillane (and he wasn't the only one by the way). Was dead right to criticize that performance.

Since the development of the game, there has been many rule changes.
But since its been change to a 15 man game, the positions have never changed.
1 Goalkeeper
6 Backs (3 Full, 3 Half)
2 Midfielders
6 Forwards (3 Full 3 Half)

Someone should send that on to McGuinness (who is loved in Kerry due to his exploits with Tralee IT).
I understand that you need to win games, but if thats the way Football is going then whats going to entice youngsters to play the game.

Is it going to be Colm Cooper kicking points off left and right. Or a great footballer Michael Murphy with talent to burn, funnelled back to his half back line, so that he has to solo past 6 or 7 players before he can get a chance to shoot.

People say "Its bad for football if Kerry keep winning All Irelands". But is it better for Football to see a team win by suffocating the opposition. I have no problem with kids looking at Karl Lacey or Naill McGee who are talented defenders. But to see the likes of Murphy, Toye Hegerty back in their own backline is not what you want to see. Every child dreams of kicking a winning point at Croke Park. They don't dream of being one of 6 men to surround another player until he overcarries the ball.

Sorry bout the Rant

Didn't expect it to go on so long.

keane2097 · 29-08-2011 1:07pm

kilns wrote: »

oh yes sorry, I forgot about that centre half back they have brought through and that quality midfield they have

All this derision for Kerry playing a forward centre-back.

No mention of Dublin playing three backs in their half-forward line.

Kerry play with gusto, attacking flair and absolute abandon as evidenced by their choice of personnel in the heart of their defence. Dublin play with nine backs in their first choice 15.

I know which one I'd be more embarrassed about.

orourkeda · 29-08-2011 1:08pm

kilns wrote: »

Kerry fans remind me of Munster fans in a lot of ways.

1 to 15 nobody else from outside the county would get into our team and we are simply unbeatable.

But just like Munster, Kerry are facing a barren few years with no players coming through with distinct lack of success at underage.

The munster fans are beginning to desert their 'belove' Munster, could the same happen when in say 2 years time Kerry are struggling to reach an All Ireland quarter final?

That was always on the cards. We've also seen it with the Ireland football team. No world cups = a downturn in attendance a la munster

orourkeda · 29-08-2011 1:09pm

keane2097 wrote: »

All this derision for Kerry playing a forward centre-back.

No mention of Dublin playing three backs in their half-forward line.

Kerry play with gusto, attacking flair and absolute abandon as evidenced by their choice of personnel in the heart of their defence. Dublin play with nine backs in their first choice 15.

I know which one I'd be more embarrassed about.

You'd be embarrassed about getting to an all ireland final using "nine backs" would you? Its a pity about you

keane2097 · 29-08-2011 1:12pm

orourkeda wrote: »

You'd be embarrassed about getting to an all ireland final using "nine backs" would you? Its a pity about you

Just responded to hyperbolic drool with some of my own. I'll happily discuss the merits of various systems with genuine posters, but I enjoy retrolling the trolls - mea culpa.

DDC1990 · 29-08-2011 1:15pm

kilns wrote: »

oh yes sorry, I forgot about that centre half back they have brought through and that quality midfield they have

Kealy Mac an tSaoir - Covered at goalkeeper for years to come

Enright, Maguire, Killian Young, Marc, Peter Crowley - Plenty young Backs

Maher, Scanlon, Sheehan, Johnny Buckley - Covered at Midfield.

Gooch (Still only 28), Donaghy, Darran, Declan, Killian, Donnacha Walsh, BJK, James O'Donaghue, Daithí Casey etc. etc. - Kerry football is in grand shape don't you worry. Just because you havn't heard of a player doens't mean he doesn't exist.

Many this year hadn't heard of Enright but he's faring grand, injury aside.

p.s Midfield has been performing well so far. Pick out a game where we were beaten. We beat a much lauded Cork midfield and were expected to be cleaned out against the O'Sheas against Mayo. They havn't put a foot wrong so far. I don;t expect them to fail against Dublin either.

DoctaDee · 29-08-2011 1:16pm

keane2097 wrote: »

All this derision for Kerry playing a forward centre-back.

No mention of Dublin playing three backs in their half-forward line.

Kerry play with gusto, attacking flair and absolute abandon as evidenced by their choice of personnel in the heart of their defence. Dublin play with nine backs in their first choice 15.

I know which one I'd be more embarrassed about.

Three weeks to go and the banter is in full flow .. this is a huge game and both sides know it

I've always found you quite the level headed Kerry supporter and very honest in yer views - as opposed to others on here .. and if yer rersorting to invective, then we have yiz rattled

keane2097 · 29-08-2011 1:19pm

DoctaDee wrote: »

Three weeks to go and the banter is in full flow .. this is a huge game and both sides know it

I've always found you quite the level headed Kerry supporter and very honest in yer views - as opposed to others on here .. and if yer rersorting to invective, then we have yiz rattled

Funnily enough the bit in bold fairly well echoes what the mod told me the last time he had to ban me for a week :pac:

In fairness, that post was tongue-in-cheek and only responding in kind to the previous one.

It doesn't take much to rattle me either, might take a bit more to slow Gooch down though

squrm · 29-08-2011 1:19pm

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

No- I'd go as far to say I am arrogant.

Teams like this come along once in a lifetime. Might as well enjoy it.

The difference is watching the arrogance of the Media Pundits when Dublin have won Fu*k All.

The difference is watching Thomas O'Shea, Galvin, and other Kerry players get singled out and banned (rightly imo) but incidents like Mayo's players openly striking Kerry players not being banned. Galvin missing a season for hitting a ref's notebook and a Cavan player not being disciplined when he struck a referree.

Dublin get worked into a orgasmic frenzy coming up to big games in croke park and then Choke.

This will be the biggest Anti-Climax of them all. The Dublin players will love the attention for the three weeks, the replaying of the 77 All Ireland Semi Final, the replaying of the 95 Win, the endless hyperbole from Person's who know sfa about the game. The fair weather fans turning up and expecting a Dublin Victory because............well the Herald said so,

And the utter dejection when Kerry click in Croke Park in September and wash Dublin away. I can almost taste the ink from the Monday Press.

Arrogant. Damn right I am. And Proud of it. Ciarrai Abu.

Its Tomás O'Se

The_Kew_Tour · 29-08-2011 1:20pm

kilns wrote: »

Kerry fans remind me of Munster fans in a lot of ways.

1 to 15 nobody else from outside the county would get into our team and we are simply unbeatable.

But just like Munster, Kerry are facing a barren few years with no players coming through with distinct lack of success at underage.

The munster fans are beginning to desert their 'belove' Munster, could the same happen when in say 2 years time Kerry are struggling to reach an All Ireland quarter final?

Kerry will always get the best from what they have, as a Corkman it's something I wish we could do more often..

Laois, Westmeath, Galway and Tippeary(football) have all done well at underage in both football and hurling and they still done practically sweet FA at senior level bar odd provincial win here and there..

homerjay2005 · 29-08-2011 1:24pm

yesterdays match was bad for kerry, we will go in as raging favourites and dublin will come in with a bit less hype than had they hammered donegal yesterday.

cant wait for this, bring it on. this thread possibly will be the biggest ever on the forum.

keane2097 · 29-08-2011 1:30pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Kerry will always get the best from what they have, as a Corkman it's something I wish we could do more often..

Laois, Westmeath, Galway and Tippeary(football) have all done well at underage in both football and hurling and they still done practically sweet FA at senior level bar odd provincial win here and there..

Underage success is unbelievably overrated as an indicator of future success.

I believe it's 1994 since Kerry last won a minor title? Surely the rot would have set in almost two decades later if it was going to.

Fr Tod Umptious · 29-08-2011 1:48pm

listermint wrote: »

It doesnt, but you did. But alas il never change your opinion because you hate Dublin.

What a sad post.
Where did you get the idea that I hate Dublin.

I am talking from experience here. A few weeks ago i was looking at the Kerry team and saying they ere beatable cos their backs were suspect, their midfield was un-tested, Gooch had a bad few games etc etc.

At the end of the day Kerry showed that they ere well up for the task.

All I am doing is looking at the game from a neutrals point of view and all I can see is that Kerry have a better team than Dublin and more experience and thus should win this game.

kilns wrote: »

Kerry fans remind me of Munster fans in a lot of ways.

1 to 15 nobody else from outside the county would get into our team and we are simply unbeatable.

But just like Munster, Kerry are facing a barren few years with no players coming through with distinct lack of success at underage.

The munster fans are beginning to desert their 'belove' Munster, could the same happen when in say 2 years time Kerry are struggling to reach an All Ireland quarter final?

orourkeda wrote: »

That was always on the cards. We've also seen it with the Ireland football team. No world cups = a downturn in attendance a la munster

Oh please

Stop trying to compare Kerry football with the bandwagon of Munster, and Irish rugby in general.

That's just pathetic and you both know it.

Fr Tod Umptious · 29-08-2011 1:50pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Kealy Mac an tSaoir - Covered at goalkeeper for years to come

Enright, Maguire, Killian Young, Marc, Peter Crowley - Plenty young Backs

Maher, Scanlon, Sheehan, Johnny Buckley - Covered at Midfield.

Gooch (Still only 28), Donaghy, Darran, Declan, Killian, Donnacha Walsh, BJK, James O'Donaghue, Daithí Casey etc. etc. - Kerry football is in grand shape don't you worry. Just because you havn't heard of a player doens't mean he doesn't exist.

Many this year hadn't heard of Enright but he's faring grand, injury aside.

p.s Midfield has been performing well so far. Pick out a game where we were beaten. We beat a much lauded Cork midfield and were expected to be cleaned out against the O'Sheas against Mayo. They havn't put a foot wrong so far. I don;t expect them to fail against Dublin either.

To be honest i believe there may be some lean times ahead for Kerry but that is a debate for another day, and another thread.

Minister B · 29-08-2011 1:52pm

kilns wrote: »

Kerry fans remind me of Munster fans in a lot of ways.

1 to 15 nobody else from outside the county would get into our team and we are simply unbeatable.

But just like Munster, Kerry are facing a barren few years with no players coming through with distinct lack of success at underage.

The munster fans are beginning to desert their 'belove' Munster, could the same happen when in say 2 years time Kerry are struggling to reach an All Ireland quarter final?

Kerry havent won a minor all-ireland since 1994, yet since then they have played in 9 all-ireland finals, winning 6. Kerry have proven that under age success isnt the be all and end all. All you need is 2 or 3 lads coming through minor every year that are capable of stepping up to the senior panel.

In my opinion, it will be a long time before we see Kerry go through a "barren" spell again, they know how to develop young players down there and a lot of this talk about their under age demise is over subscribed.

JFlah · 29-08-2011 2:02pm

What a final to look forward to 2 of the top 3 in the country contesting it and 2 footballing sides thankfully... IMO as a Kerry man I think that we have enough up front to compensate for possible defensive weaknesses not that our defence has really been found out to be that weak yet ! I have a feeling that this Dublin team might find itself in the situation that it has to lose one to win one and early in the game the enormity of the contest might let Kerry cut lose a little , as we have seen Kerry done in the past , and if Dublin have to chase a Kerry lead down then it's curtains for this year for them.. that said Dublin have huge heart hunger fitness levels determination and decent football ability so definitely have a chance , just not this year

Kerry 2 15 Dublin 0 16

Collie D · 29-08-2011 2:09pm

teednab-el wrote: »

Dublins chances of winning this years All Ireland are less than my chances of landing on the moon.

I'll have a tenner with you at those odds please.

Oasis_Dublin · 29-08-2011 2:19pm

teednab-el wrote: »

Dublins chances of winning this years All Ireland are less than my chances of landing on the moon.

It really depends which direction you are fired in, I suppose.

Het-Field · 29-08-2011 2:20pm

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

No- I'd go as far to say I am arrogant.

Teams like this come along once in a lifetime. Might as well enjoy it.

The difference is watching the arrogance of the Media Pundits when Dublin have won Fu*k All.

The difference is watching Thomas O'Shea, Galvin, and other Kerry players get singled out and banned (rightly imo) but incidents like Mayo's players openly striking Kerry players not being banned. Galvin missing a season for hitting a ref's notebook and a Cavan player not being disciplined when he struck a referree.

Dublin get worked into a orgasmic frenzy coming up to big games in croke park and then Choke.

This will be the biggest Anti-Climax of them all. The Dublin players will love the attention for the three weeks, the replaying of the 77 All Ireland Semi Final, the replaying of the 95 Win, the endless hyperbole from Person's who know sfa about the game. The fair weather fans turning up and expecting a Dublin Victory because............well the Herald said so,

And the utter dejection when Kerry click in Croke Park in September and wash Dublin away. I can almost taste the ink from the Monday Press.

Arrogant. Damn right I am. And Proud of it. Ciarrai Abu.

Your posts have been littered with anti-Dublin cliches. You continue in the same vein here. As such is the case, should we really take your postings seriously? You clearly derive your knowledge of the game from "The Little Book of Anti-Dublin Ramblings"

Mr. Incognito · 29-08-2011 2:21pm

Minister B wrote: »

Kerry havent won a minor all-ireland since 1994, yet since then they have played in 9 all-ireland finals, winning 6. Kerry have proven that under age success isnt the be all and end all. All you need is 2 or 3 lads coming through minor every year that are capable of stepping up to the senior panel.

In my opinion, it will be a long time before we see Kerry go through a "barren" spell again, they know how to develop young players down there and a lot of this talk about their under age demise is over subscribed.

1997 V Mayo- Won
2000 V Galway (twice) -Won
2002 V Armagh- Lost
2004 V Mayo - Won
2005 V Tyrone - Lost
2006 V Mayo- Won
2007 V Cork -Won
2008 V Tyrone - Lost
2009 V Cork - Won
2011 V Dublin TBD

That's a Sterling Record really for a team going through a "barren spell"

PS Dublin haven't won a minor title since 1984

Het-Field · 29-08-2011 2:22pm

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I emphasise with you that you must support your own team thick and thin, but don't get carried away thinking that Dublin are up there with Kerry. They simply are not.

They don't play the game as quickly, as physically, as skillfully. They simply don't have the players- the experience- the backs, the forwards- the midfield or the manager.

The last time Dublin played Kerry they went in as favourites and went home 17 points in arrears. That is a massacre and Colm Cooper was the man that did the damage that day. Expect the same treatment.

Save for the fact that circumstances have changed quite a bit.

-Dublin have an entirely new backline and a new strategy.
-Kerry have been declared beatable

the realpigiron · 29-08-2011 2:26pm

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

No- I'd go as far to say I am arrogant.

Teams like this come along once in a lifetime. Might as well enjoy it.

The difference is watching the arrogance of the Media Pundits when Dublin have won Fu*k All.

The difference is watching Thomas O'Shea, Galvin, and other Kerry players get singled out and banned (rightly imo) but incidents like Mayo's players openly striking Kerry players not being banned. Galvin missing a season for hitting a ref's notebook and a Cavan player not being disciplined when he struck a referree.

Dublin get worked into a orgasmic frenzy coming up to big games in croke park and then Choke.

This will be the biggest Anti-Climax of them all. The Dublin players will love the attention for the three weeks, the replaying of the 77 All Ireland Semi Final, the replaying of the 95 Win, the endless hyperbole from Person's who know sfa about the game. The fair weather fans turning up and expecting a Dublin Victory because............well the Herald said so,

And the utter dejection when Kerry click in Croke Park in September and wash Dublin away. I can almost taste the ink from the Monday Press.

Arrogant. Damn right I am. And Proud of it. Ciarrai Abu.

Are you proud of Tomas O'Se a scumbag thug who has brought shame on to the GAA football field? O'Se was singled out for special treatment from the authorities you say, are you joking me?

Singled out my ass, O'Se was acting like a thug on the field for years and the authorities finally caught up with ONCE. People talk about Donegal's style doing damage to the GAA football game, but I reckon characters like O'Se and the failure of the authorities to deal with the likes of him consistently enough would turn people away from GAA football in similar numbers.

'Mon the Dubs.

kilns · 29-08-2011 2:27pm

The reason why Dublin have a chance is because there are goals to be had against the Kerry defence. With a bit more composure, Mayo would have got in for a at least 2.

Dublin need to cut the supply to Cooper, as if they go man for man on him, he will take his opposing number to the cleaners. The same goes for the other end, if Kerry just go man for man on Brogan, they will be in trouble. But I believe both teams will try to nullify the treat of the two main forwards by placing sweepers in front of each.

It will come down to who can gain control around the middle and more importantly who supply quality ball to the other forwards to put them in positions to score. I feel this is where Dublin are lacking, they dont seem to have a player who can pick the pass from long range or even put it into 'good space' for the forward. They rely mainly on Ger Brennan to supply that ball and I believe he cant.

Kerrys advantage is that their half forward line can drop deeper and collect ball and run and also take their scores from further out but they will have to as the Dublin defence will not let them come as far as the D and no further as they create a cordon around that area.

Dublin have to take every chance that comes their way to win it and they will get goal chances I have no doubt about that, but they need the right men on the ball at the time.

Should be a cracker of a game.

BTW Paul Flynn wears 10 and has never been a defender. All through his club career he was either a half forward or midfielder.

Mr. Incognito · 29-08-2011 2:27pm

Ummmmmmmmmmmm

Het-Field wrote: »

Save for the fact that circumstances have changed quite a bit.

-Dublin have an entirely new backline and a new strategy.

Um, No they don't. Plan A V Donegal - Lump it in Long. Plan B- Bring on McMEnemin and Lump in in Long

-Kerry have been declared beatable

By who? Dublin Supporters?

Mayo Supporters were singing the same tune and went home nine points in arrears

kilns · 29-08-2011 2:31pm

Mr Incognito,

Nobody claimed that the last 10 years was a barren spell for Kerry. Kerry have had a core or 8-9 players throughout that period who were brilliant players and would grace any team. Just like the Tyrone crop

But these guys are one off's, do Kerry have players of the calibre of the O'Se's, Dongahy, Cooper, O'Sullivan coming through? It is obvious from early on when you have players of that quality..

DDC1990 · 29-08-2011 2:32pm

Het-Field wrote: »

Save for the fact that circumstances have changed quite a bit.

-Dublin have an entirely new backline and a new strategy.
-Kerry have been declared beatable

To be honest the "Kerry being beatable" is what got Dublin beaten in 09.

If you remember we'd scraped past Longford, Sligo and Antrim to get there.
Many references were made to a dying team. An Aging team coming up to see its last days out in Croke Park.

Not just in the national media. Many in Kerry believed this.

Yes Kerry are beatable, but its not the attitude you should take into a match like an All Ireland final

You go in saying we got this far, we are the best team in the country if we play to our strengths.

Forget about Kerry being beatable, think about Dublin being good enough to beat any team on their day. Because at the end of the day, no matter how cocky it may seem to make them, thats Kerry's attitude going into Croke Park every Sunday. We are the best, and they are going to have to play mighty good to beat us.

Just look at the fans at the Kerry Mayo game. Christy Cooney was interviewing some 5 year olds, one from Kerry one from mayo on the big screen. The Mayo child said "Im here to see Mayo." the Kerry child said "Im here to see Kerry win" A Child doesn't know cocky, its just ingrained that Kerry win big matches. I don't see why Dublin shouldn't have that attitude.

Old_-_School · 29-08-2011 2:33pm

squrm wrote: »

Its Tomás O'Se

If you want to be really pedantic it's "Tomás Ó Sé".

JFlah · 29-08-2011 2:37pm

the realpigiron wrote: »

Are you proud of Tomas O'Se a scumbag thug who has brought shame on to the GAA football field? O'Se was singled out for special treatment from the authorities you say, are you joking me?

Singled out my ass, O'Se was acting like a thug on the field for years and the authorities finally caught up with ONCE. People talk about Donegal's style doing damage to the GAA football game, but I reckon characters like O'Se and the failure of the authorities to deal with the likes of him consistently enough would turn people away from GAA football in similar numbers.

'Mon the Dubs.

is this a p***take or are you serious ??? " a scumbag thug who brought shame onto the GAA football field" ???

One of the finest exponents of the game in the modern era with a hard but hardly thuggish edge to his game .

i,m stunned by your post ! seriously

TouchingVirus · 29-08-2011 2:41pm

JFlah wrote: »

is this a p***take or are you serious ??? " a scumbag thug who brought shame onto the GAA football field" ???

One of the finest exponents of the game in the modern era with a hard but hardly thuggish edge to his game .

i,m stunned by your post ! seriously

Report it.

hanleyc2 · 29-08-2011 2:41pm

Assuming the Connolly red card appeal fails, how do you think the Dublin forwards will line out come throw in on AI Final day?

Straight swap for O'Gara or make some changes to accommodate McMenamin? Or other options?

the realpigiron · 29-08-2011 2:48pm

JFlah wrote: »

is this a p***take or are you serious ??? " a scumbag thug who brought shame onto the GAA football field" ???

One of the finest exponents of the game in the modern era with a hard but hardly thuggish edge to his game .

I tell you what Tomas would be well advised to leave the thuggish side out of his game on All-Ireland day. He has exhibited the thuggish side to his game more than enough in the past.

JFlah wrote: »

i,m stunned by your post ! seriously

I am not at all stunned by your mendacity. You're probably a Kerry fan who will routinely swear black is white when defending a Kerry player. That doesn't deflect from the truth that Tomas O'Se most definitely has or has displayed a "thuggish edge" to his game in the past as you put it.

keane2097 · 29-08-2011 2:49pm

hanleyc2 wrote: »

Assuming the Connolly red card appeal fails, how do you think the Dublin forwards will line out come throw in on AI Final day?

Straight swap for O'Gara or make some changes to accommodate McMenamin? Or other options?

Flynn's likely to miss the final is he not? In which case you'd have to assume both O'Gara and McMeniman would play.

JFlah · 29-08-2011 2:49pm

hanleyc2 wrote: »

Assuming the Connolly red card appeal fails, how do you think the Dublin forwards will line out come throw in on AI Final day?

Straight swap for O'Gara or make some changes to accommodate McMenamin? Or other options?

definitely from a Dublin point of view accomodate McMenamin imo a far superior team with him on the field I don,t think O Gara adds a lot and is always in danger of seeing red

the realpigiron · 29-08-2011 2:52pm

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Report it.

Why? I think it's fair comment. Tomas O'Se is undoubtedly a talented footballer but has in the past let himself down with thuggish behaviour. Liam Hayes criticised Jack O'Connor for allowing incidents of thuggery to happen on his watch in the past. Fair comment too I reckon.

Fr Tod Umptious · 29-08-2011 2:53pm

kilns wrote: »

The reason why Dublin have a chance is because there are goals to be had against the Kerry defence. With a bit more composure, Mayo would have got in for a at least 2.

Dublin need to cut the supply to Cooper, as if they go man for man on him, he will take his opposing number to the cleaners. The same goes for the other end, if Kerry just go man for man on Brogan, they will be in trouble. But I believe both teams will try to nullify the treat of the two main forwards by placing sweepers in front of each.

It will come down to who can gain control around the middle and more importantly who supply quality ball to the other forwards to put them in positions to score. I feel this is where Dublin are lacking, they dont seem to have a player who can pick the pass from long range or even put it into 'good space' for the forward. They rely mainly on Ger Brennan to supply that ball and I believe he cant.

Kerrys advantage is that their half forward line can drop deeper and collect ball and run and also take their scores from further out but they will have to as the Dublin defence will not let them come as far as the D and no further as they create a cordon around that area.

Dublin have to take every chance that comes their way to win it and they will get goal chances I have no doubt about that, but they need the right men on the ball at the time.

Should be a cracker of a game.

BTW Paul Flynn wears 10 and has never been a defender. All through his club career he was either a half forward or midfielder.

All of the above is what we Mayo people said before the semi final.

If you cut supply to Cooper what do you do about Darran O Sullivan and Donaghey ?

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