Foxhunter Pub Closed by Revenue ?

JupiterKid · 04-02-2017 11:51pm

Wasn't it supposed to be turned into an Avoca cafe/shop? Nothing seemed to happen with that plan. It's an eyesore as it it but is in a prime location.

average_runner · 06-02-2017 4:43pm

unkel wrote: »

I'd welcome it. There's what, about 50,000-60,000 people in Lucan / Adamstown and we don't have a grocery Dunnes. Their perpetual spend €50 and get €10 off voucher is highly competitive too.

You do know Dunnes put up their prices to ensure they make their money, you gain nothing out of the voucher.

I did an investigation into this for a few months.

average_runner · 06-02-2017 4:44pm

unkel wrote: »

Given the space available and the parking spaces required, I'd expect it only to be a relatively small supermarket. It will add maybe 2 or 3 cars per minute to the slip road, I don't think that will make any material difference to how busy it is. The slip road itself isn't hugely busy anyway. Very convenient for people coming home from work in Dublin city to do a quick shop to pick up groceries to make the dinner.

I'd rather have a massive shiny Tesco Extra on one of those big available green fields around Liffey Valley where one can do the weekly shopping. We need a Tesco too (other than that miserable heap in Hillcrest)

Road would be blocked in the evenings etc, a supermarket will never be allowed there

degsie · 06-02-2017 4:51pm

Wish people wouldn't speculate about this property without even a tenuous link to a source.

average_runner · 06-02-2017 6:15pm

degsie wrote: »

Wish people wouldn't speculate about this property without even a tenuous link to a source.

No fun in that, speculation makes it fun!

Stealthirl · 11-02-2017 2:23am

degsie wrote: »

Wish people wouldn't speculate about this property without even a tenuous link to a source.

I was told there's a Crazy Prices going in with work to start in the next 2 months :pac:

DopeTech · 22-07-2017 7:10pm

Sir Dosser wrote: »

Heard that Dunnes have bought it. Anyone else hear anymore? It'll be grocery only.

Well it looks there was no truth in this rumour, has anyone heard anything on it lately? Mad that it can be left vacant for so long.

average_runner · 22-07-2017 8:26pm

Sir Dosser wrote: »

Well it looks there was no truth in this rumour, has anyone heard anything on it lately? Mad that it can be left vacant for so long.

It's a bad location and that explains why it's vacant. Maybe a McDonald's would suit it

unkel · 23-07-2017 12:31am

average_runner wrote: »

It's a bad location and that explains why it's vacant. Maybe a McDonald's would suit it

There are already 4 McDonald's in Lucan. Which is absolutely ridiculous for a population of 50k. I say no thanks.

degsie · 23-07-2017 12:35am

unkel wrote: »

There are already 4 McDonald's in Lucan. Which is absolutely ridiculous for a population of 50k. I say no thanks.

Only two actually.

average_runner · 23-07-2017 9:25pm

unkel wrote: »

There are already 4 McDonald's in Lucan. Which is absolutely ridiculous for a population of 50k. I say no thanks.

In lucan there is only two. Village and superquinn. 2 too many though.

Can't see much happening yet though

ArthurG · 07-11-2018 8:17am

Oh well. The Avoca dream is well and truly dead.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/foxhunter-pub-between-lucan-and-palmerstown-back-on-market-1.3685951

alias no.9 · 07-11-2018 12:37pm

It's getting towards a point where it needs to get listed on the derelict sites register

brick tamland · 07-11-2018 10:34pm

Just needs to be bulldozed at this stage. An eyesore. Building can't be saved at this point. Nothing's going to open there with traffic flow.

DopeTech · 18-02-2019 1:29pm

Amazing a place the size of this can just be let go to ruin for over 6 years. Any news on what's next for this site?

ArthurG · 19-02-2019 9:52am

Sir Dosser wrote: »

Amazing a place the size of this can just be let go to ruin for over 6 years. Any news on what's next for this site?

Next local elections are in May. Demand answers from potential candidates and in particular incumbents who are presiding over this mess.

L1011 · 19-02-2019 10:09am

ArthurG wrote: »

Next local elections are in May. Demand answers from potential candidates and in particular incumbents who are presiding over this mess.

What are the council doing that has any impact on this? This is developers and banks fighting.

ArthurG · 19-02-2019 10:12am

L1011 wrote: »

What are the council doing that has any impact on this? This is developers and banks fighting.

It has absolutely nothing to do with banks and developers.

L1011 · 19-02-2019 10:25am

ArthurG wrote: »

It has absolutely nothing to do with banks and developers.

Explain your reasoning.

magicray · 19-02-2019 10:47am

Aw I was hoping to see a good update here when this thread popped up

Sad to see the state it is in now

godtabh · 19-02-2019 10:59am

L1011 wrote: »

Explain your reasoning.

I'd say its planning. Look at the 16 apartment planning application Got refused on the grounds of intensification of the slip road. TII would have a field day on any development here.

Chances of anything going in here are slim to none.

L1011 · 19-02-2019 11:02am

Councillors have no influence over TII, thankfully. SDCC have tried to do some bloody stupid things and had TII stop them.

Harassing councillors and candidates over something they cannot do anything about is pointless.

godtabh · 19-02-2019 11:08am

L1011 wrote: »

Councillors have no influence over TII, thankfully. SDCC have tried to do some bloody stupid things and had TII stop them.

Harassing councillors and candidates over something they cannot do anything about is pointless.

If the lands were rezoned and you could get an access through Hermitage Garden you would probably get 28/30 houses on the site. Thats where you lobby your councilor.

No chance of access via slip road.

L1011 · 19-02-2019 11:17am

Very unlikely that number of additional units would be allowed on to an internal road in a housing estate.

godtabh · 19-02-2019 11:38am

L1011 wrote: »

Very unlikely that number of additional units would be allowed on to an internal road in a housing estate.

No technical reason why it couldn't. It would be a local issue.

L1011 · 19-02-2019 12:09pm

godtabh wrote: »

No technical reason why it couldn't. It would be a local issue.

Would need to spend an entire day reading DMURS and similar to be certain but I could see the road capacity being a limiting factor.

As goes local factors, residents in that estate would be unlikely to be happy; particularly as there'd almost definitely be pedestrian/cycle permeability to the sliproad which residents associations usually scream from the rooftops against

godtabh · 19-02-2019 3:39pm

L1011 wrote: »

Would need to spend an entire day reading DMURS and similar to be certain but I could see the road capacity being a limiting factor.

As goes local factors, residents in that estate would be unlikely to be happy; particularly as there'd almost definitely be pedestrian/cycle permeability to the sliproad which residents associations usually scream from the rooftops against

A road size like that has an AADT of about 750 cars. 34 houses will have an AADT of about 200. Road capacity wont be an issue. J

unction capacity maybe but that can be solved. The R136 is signalized and there are 2/3 other access points.

That approach would be a lot more favorable compared to the going onto the slip road. Most developers wouldn't have the stomach with dealing with locals but if you have sank €7.5m into it, it might be the only way to get your money back. Would also depend if its TIC.

L1011 · 19-02-2019 3:46pm

Its not on the unadopted list from 2016 so safe to assume it is

https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/initiative_to_accelerate_taking_in_charge_of_residential_estates_-_initial_list_0.pdf

JimsAlterEgo · 20-02-2019 4:02pm

godtabh wrote: »

A road size like that has an AADT of about 750 cars. 34 houses will have an AADT of about 200. Road capacity wont be an issue. J

unction capacity maybe but that can be solved. The R136 is signalized and there are 2/3 other access points.

That approach would be a lot more favorable compared to the going onto the slip road. Most developers wouldn't have the stomach with dealing with locals but if you have sank €7.5m into it, it might be the only way to get your money back. Would also depend if its TIC.

surely the amount of traffic when it was a busy pub was a lot more than if it was made residential, cannot see the logic in not allowing them exit onto the slip road

L1011 · 20-02-2019 4:43pm

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

surely the amount of traffic when it was a busy pub was a lot more than if it was made residential, cannot see the logic in not allowing them exit onto the slip road

It would have had very little traffic at peak periods compared to a large residential development - virtually none in the morning peak, a bit more in the evening for food and off-licence traffic.

unkel · 20-02-2019 5:03pm

That slip road has very little traffic on it as is any time of the day - it's just for people taking a left into one of the lanes (mostly residential) but mostly for the petrol station. Adding 40 housing units won't cause any problems on it

godtabh · 20-02-2019 10:37pm

Its now a case of correct design standards been applied. You'd never get the same there again

average_runner · 21-02-2019 10:31am

godtabh wrote: »

If the lands were rezoned and you could get an access through Hermitage Garden you would probably get 28/30 houses on the site. Thats where you lobby your councilor.

No chance of access via slip road.

So now you want to push more traffic through another housing estate where kids play?

average_runner · 21-02-2019 10:32am

unkel wrote: »

That slip road has very little traffic on it as is any time of the day - it's just for people taking a left into one of the lanes (mostly residential) but mostly for the petrol station. Adding 40 housing units won't cause any problems on it

The slip road backs up alot of the evenings.

unkel · 21-02-2019 12:38pm

The whole N4 backs up alot of the evenings west bound. The slip road is probably used by several people trying to avoid the main N4. Either way I can't see an extra 10 or 20 cars make any significant difference to that.

Thousands and thousands of approved units at Clonburris with no main national high capacity roads within miles and no suitable infrastructure at all is a completely different matter :mad:

L1011 · 21-02-2019 12:46pm

The side of the slip road to turn right towards Lucan is at risk of backing up on the mainline a lot of the time, which is likely to be the main concern of TII

unkel · 21-02-2019 3:14pm

L1011 wrote: »

The side of the slip road to turn right towards Lucan is at risk of backing up on the mainline a lot of the time, which is likely to be the main concern of TII

Just give the right turn a longer green light, is the easy solution to that.

average_runner · 21-02-2019 6:06pm

unkel wrote: »

Just give the right turn a longer green light, is the easy solution to that.

Its not the light that's the problem, is the traffic going that way

godtabh · 21-02-2019 9:41pm

average_runner wrote: »

So now you want to push more traffic through another housing estate where kids play?

Yes

average_runner · 21-02-2019 10:16pm

godtabh wrote: »

Yes

And does it affect you?

Maybe that decision should be with the residents of that estate.

godtabh · 21-02-2019 10:24pm

average_runner wrote: »

And does it affect you?

Maybe that decision should be with the residents of that estate.

No it shouldn't. Bring low speed low volumes of traffic through an estate is more desirable than having an unsafe access to the national road network. This NIMBY crap has to stop.

average_runner · 22-02-2019 10:16am

godtabh wrote: »

No it shouldn't. Bring low speed low volumes of traffic through an estate is more desirable than having an unsafe access to the national road network. This NIMBY crap has to stop.

Well we do it next to your house so!

degsie · 22-02-2019 1:03pm

average_runner wrote: »

Well we do it next to your house so!

unkel · 23-02-2019 12:40am

average_runner wrote: »

Its not the light that's the problem, is the traffic going that way

Can still be improved further downstream. Allowed use of both lanes northbound all the way from those lights to the woodies traffic lights for starters.

average_runner · 23-02-2019 2:39pm

unkel wrote: »

Can still be improved further downstream. Allowed use of both lanes northbound all the way from those lights to the woodies traffic lights for starters.

U could but u will still hit a bottleneck and then back up.

Traffic should be only in the village in limited hours.
Need another link road further out also.

Why not make the foxhunter a park and ride facility with good security.

Have a safe area to store bikes etc. Get people out of their cars

L1011 · 23-02-2019 3:09pm

average_runner wrote: »

U could but u will still hit a bottleneck and then back up.

Traffic should be only in the village in limited hours.
Need another link road further out also.

Why not make the foxhunter a park and ride facility with good security.

Have a safe area to store bikes etc. Get people out of their cars

It's on the wrong side of the road basically. The walk to the high frequency inbound bus stops is very long

It's also too far in with major congestion to reach it at all

Mary BS · 08-09-2019 12:12am

Only catching up now on this issue because it was so sad to see this long established pub go the way it did..and there was nothing but negative news on it for so long. Anyway, just noticed while out walking that the 'ForSale' sign has been removed in the last few days .. it didn't have a Sold notice on it before this happened as far as I know, maybe there's something happening at last. The site appears to have had a bit of a clean up too as its now spotless. After reading up on some of the comments since I last checked in I think it's only right to point out that the traffic issue that is now a big issue with the site is down to the planning section of SDCC..SDCC decided to grant planning for the Lucan Retail Park that is now the Woodies site, where an old cottage was once in situ. The road scheme there at the bridge was the result of the planning skills of the Planning Dept. of SDCC. The same SDCC is responsible for the shape and size of Hermitage Park Estate including the houses that back onto the slip road. The slip road, could have been wider with more than 2 lanes and indeed the bridge should have been double its size, if it was more forward thinking, especially when it was designed at a time when they knew well that all transport planning was prioritising and indeed encouraging car transport ahead of public transport, so there was no excuse for this inadequate road layout ... imagine a retail park going into a cottage site in the middle of a forked road scheme 10 kilometres from the capital city ! Before I'm killed for mentioning Hermitage Park Estate ... I think the residents there have every right to object to extra traffic being re- routed into their estate if SDCC were to approve a residential development on the FH site that would have its exit onto Hermitage Park rather than the slip road. However, something must be done to move on from the derelict FH site. As I see it the only solution is to have a small development of a mix of a low rise small residential complex of maybe 8 or so 2- bedroom apartments, small supermarket and cafe with appropriate opening times ... and exiting onto the slip road .. With improvements to the slip road ... and a wider bridge at Woddies or another bridge. The bottleneck at this section of the road network on the N4 and the FH site is a direct result of SDCC planning decisions... It's not because of the Foxhunter Pub/Petrol Station ... Those two businesses were there long before the N4 dual carriageway... and the Foxhunter Pub was negatively impacted by SDCC planning/roads designs. Now that the Foxhunter Pub has been killed off by SDCC & Developers, there is a need to find them right development for the site and given the shortage of homes, this ought provide for some residential units. Fingers Crossed that the site's been sold now and hopefully for the local residents it'll be a pleasant outcome.

degsie · 09-09-2019 5:27pm

monty_python · 24-09-2019 11:34am

Echo.ie reporting the foxhunter has been sold for 3milion

https://www.facebook.com/792791334066176/posts/3364976006847683/

average_runner · 24-09-2019 2:43pm

Bound to be houses or apartments

Foxhunter Pub Closed by Revenue ?

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