Random Wrestling Thoughts (Part 2)

It fits Jericho’s character perfectly. It’s all a very witty moniker. I’m convinced the man can get nearly anything over. A bloody pen click was getting massive pops from him. He’s one of the best ever at entertaining segments.

Was thinking with their focus more on out of the ring stuff and the need to fill time, I think WWE should use the 24/7 title more. Maybe a compilation of "matches" that took place throughout the week

Has Ryback had a match since leaving the WWE?

Bit of a long post ... so bare with me.

So I recently heard that the top 3 actors from The Fast and Furious franchise (Diesel, Rock and Statham) have it in their contracts with the F&F movies that they must deal out equal damage. One man cannot be seen as kicking more ass. (source: whatculture)

Talk about protecting your image right? Which got me thinking about Triple H. Many years ago when a Smackdown vs Raw video game was coming out (IIRC 2007 edition) the developers / publishers (THQ) were told that Trips has to be shown in a 'dominant position' in any marketing material including screenshots and trailers. Ie, again, protecting his image. That for me was like the ultimate thing you could do :pac: because it's a video game. If you're gonna be doing that for video games you just known he was going crazy on WWE TV :pac:

So the question I pose.... Is this behavior actually right?
For many years I would have said what an ego on Triple H and he was wrong. But I now think he is right. Look at all the main eventers over the years. They all kicked ass and took names. Wrestling just like hollywood (heck even life?) is all about politicing to get what you want. To protect whats yours and what not.


Opinions?

J. Marston wrote: »

An ego is needed to be a star. Otherwise you get faces of the company like this...



Borrowing a comment from Reddit on that picture; "You think Rock or Austin in 98/99 would've stood there like a dick while stars from the 70s made them look like a dorky fan?"

No chance. I'm not really a fan of Moxley but I like how he had the balls to say "Ye're shíte, I'm leaving."

Loads are happy to be there and collect the cheques and I absolutely will not begrudge them that. I'd happily not wrestle much and collect a few hundred thousand a year too but don't expect me to be interested in someone like Ricochet who is tweeting how "It doesn't matter if I lose, I'm winning at life" a week before a title match against Lesnar.

A very interesting point (your whole reply but that especially)
Me and my mate have a saying and that's "you would'nt see triple h doing that" which means the same.

I was watching an old Sunday Night Heat recently and Brian Christopher and Scotty Too Hotty were on it. Before the "Too Cool" era. So it was Edge VS Brian and Scotty VS in his WWE debut, Gangrel.
In the Edge match... well I guess I first have to say a disclaimer I loved Too Cool I honestly think especially Brian Christopher was one of the most entertaining heels of all time. That cackle, that walk/dance. Brian should have had his name legally changed to "Brian Entertaining Christopher" (RIP too) - But both men played the role of a "bitch" to edge. Now, again, disclaimer both men were doing their job. Playing the hand they were dealt so nothing wrong on their part. But again You wouldn't see triple h do that . Obviously, neither men had no power to say otherwise but neither guy was never going to be pushed for a main event / upper mid card spot.

Which leads in to exactly what you said. You have to have an ego. You have to push boundaries within the job.

riffmongous wrote: »

But the problem for a long time was we had Trips protecting his image at the expense of others, the opposite of what the movie contracts are about

That is what the movie contracts are about too vin diesel not wanting the rock or anyone else overshadow him or seem tougher and vice versa The rock doing the same

riffmongous wrote: »

But it's not at the expense of anyone, so we get 3 cool stars at the end of the movie, in WWE we get awesome Trips and a load of damaged former stars/ prospects

Expense of the writers. At the expense of everyone else involved who wants to make a good movie.

Say you were writing a F&F sequel. You create this awesome movie. Each scene building up to the explosive finish. Problem is rock has an issue with the script. He's not kicking ass compared to Vin Diesel. Now suddenly you have to rewrite. Then Statham chimes in. You get the idea.

As for wrestling... Triple H was right to hold everyone back for years. Yes he went overboard. The product suffered. But from his aspect I finally see that he was right.

I notice AEW is available via sources online quicker than NXT these days if one were going that route. Like this morning, I hypothetically would've had no problem finding AEW but had to look harder for NXT.

The amount of cinematic stuff they could of done with the likes of Taker, Kane, Mankind, Sting etc in 90s if it existed back then

It's pretty common outside of the WWE.

I used to like MLW when it came up on the wrestling channel. Steve Corino always stood out for me in it. I believe they had a war games match at one stage, blew my young mind

The wrestling channel was great to be fair, i discovered a while new world of wrestling. I was o my ever exposed to WCW and WWE. Heard legends of ECW.

Then TWC came and boom AJ Styles v Johnny Storm in FWA, Johnny Sotrm v Jody Fleisch, CZW, NJPW super J Cup, TNA ultimate x matches, Cage of Death matches, Scramble cage matches in ROH with Jack Evans doing 720 moondaults and a Big push for FWA British Uprising, I believe it had Joe V CM Punk on the card.

I was obsessed with wrestling back then, magazines, games , figures, anything i could get my hand on. But that has waned significantly since maybe I have just grown out of it.

Spoiled by big time production values and becoming desensitized by constant high spots nothing seems to impress me anymore, i believe the last thing to make me go holy **** was Darby Allins coffin drop on the apron and Cody V Goldust match was probably the last real wrestling match I have truly enjoyed and was captivated by (boneyard wasn't really a wrestling match)

As little as a few years ago i was still enthralled by the product, more specifically NXT, the likes of Zayn v Cesaro, Andrade v Gargano, Owens v anybody or American Alpha v The Revival, but now with so much of the product being available my interest is at an all time low

Sirsok wrote: »

Another random thought.

I think lumis v Wyatt, with Lumis as a face stalking the fiend would work well and a great way to being him up

Hope Lumis stays down in the NXT for a while and they don't rush him up to the main roster. Can see him becoming a comedy acts (ohh look its the scary staring man with R Truth etc)

Was listening to whatculture and they done a ranking thing with Undertaker vs Kane matches. For me nothing beats mania 20 and the return of the deadman was so surreal

I wonder if you look at The Rock's personal wealth and that of all his different production companies an income streams is he worth more than the McMahon's.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I wonder if you look at The Rock's personal wealth and that of all his different production companies an income streams is he worth more than the McMahon's.

As it stands right now I would have to say Vince has more. As Forbes states Vince has 1.8 billion. While the WWE is believed to be valued at 5.71 Billion. Which Vince owns 42% of so .... 2.4 billion is his.

The Rock is believed to have 320 million. His production company, Seven Bucks Productions which appears to be named after how much The Rock had after his Football Career (seriously! that's what it says :pac: ) is hard to get a value on as no one knows.

Now all that is guess work on everyones part. Only Vince, Rock and their accountants could actually tell you how much they have.

That said, give it a couple of years and the rock will surely surpass vince. If the XFL takes off he will be an instant multi-billionaire alone. Let alone any movies that he will get a percentage of profits, production company involved as you say etc.

... But Billions huh? Put's all us Joe Soaps to shame :pac:

Has he had any failed business ventures that we've heard of? XFL doesn't count yet. And I know he's made questionable film choices.

ShagNastii wrote: »

As the OSW boys said on one of their reviews. Nobody "gets" Pro Wrestling quite as good as Chris Jericho. He has always been gold.

He constantly reinvents himself and gets himself and others over consistently. No one else comes close.

Reigns should reinvent himself for when he returns

Can see him returning and winning the rumble

beakerjoe wrote: »

Like Cena, many have wanted a heel Roman Reigns for ages now, for mainly a change if anything. Difference is that Cena had more of a character to engage with fans.

Reigns could take a leaf outta Jerichos book and try something new. Is he capable? Who knows.

Will Vince be open to the idea? Probably not.

But one thing is for sure, Reigns is stale and has been for sometime.

If he came back as the Uso's did with the Uso penitentiary stuff and became an arsehole heel with new wrestling attire and music and just beat people up, doesn't even need to talk, then he might actually get over. Similar to how becky got over when she went heel. Hell I might even start cheering for him if he did that and I don't like him at all!!

Just rewatched Austin vs Bret hart from mania 13 and my god does that match hold up 23 years after the fact. Along with the steamboat vs flair trilogy in 1989, and the macho man vs DDP feud in WCW this is on my list of favourite wrestling matches ever.

So who was the worst WWE/WWF world champion of all time?
Well I just read that according to Jim Cornette the companies worst year was 1995 and Vince lost 6 million that year.

None other than Diesel was champ for nearly all of that year with Bret Hart taking the title away from him at Survivor Series. So yeah... Nash, you're the worst champion of all time :pac:

It depends how you measure it?

Live attendance figures,

Merch sales?

Company yearly earnings?

Ppv buys, network subs?