Fox hunting

gozunda · 21-01-2019 1:17am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Clearly this wasn’t just a drag hunt. The hounds learned that behavior from somewhere and some other poor animals must have been seriously injured if not killed for them to learn it. If it were my dogs that had been killed a court date would be the very least I’d be demanding.

Yes It was a "Drag Hunt" - look up the news reports even if you believe no one else. Many types of dog will attack other dogs on occasion. **** happens. It was unfortunate but do Stop trying to make ideological missiles out of an unfortunate incident. Btw your not the first on boards to do same and to come a cropper on this story btw.

Marengo · 21-01-2019 1:17am

John_Rambo wrote: »

You must have had excellent teachers!

The best, I got a very varied education

Marengo · 21-01-2019 1:20am

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Oh it hasnt, I am only looking after the father farm, I am teaching as a day job. 22 hours a week and summers off, t'is the life. I am off to bed. night night

Good night Skooterblue. We'll find common ground and have a good chat some eve

Keep up the good work and your dad is lucky to have you to take over.

Sheepdish1 · 21-01-2019 1:33am

Could a pole be created on this thread? I would be interested to see what percentage of people would vote for a ban on fox hunting

anewme · 21-01-2019 1:36am

gozunda wrote: »

Yes It was a "Drag Hunt" - look up the news reports even if you believe no one else. Many types of dog will attack other dogs on occasion. **** happens. It was unfortunate but do Stop trying to make ideological missiles out of an unfortunate incident. Btw your not the first on boards to do same and to come a cropper on this story btw.

Ahh im sure the dogs owner gets your explanation that **** happens.

The fact that there was an uncontrolled of dogs out that killed a defenceless pet in its own home where it shoud be safe is just unfortunate.

Do you think the ssme of the pack that entered a cat sanctuary and killed 60 cats.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cats-hunt-fox-hounds-deer-sussex-hastings-celia-hammond-a8151911.html

Unfortunate?

gozunda · 21-01-2019 1:36am

mulbot wrote: »

But your argument doesn't make sense. You can't compare an animal being killed on the road by accident or an event in nature, to the deliberate targeting of a wild animal by a houndpack directed by a group of people on horseback.

Yes that's where your argument fails. Wildlife gets killed indiscriminately by people all the time. And no one gives a sh1te. But hey bring in hounds to disperse wildlife or to take out a problematic predator as requested by a landowner and all hell breaks loose. Why is that? You do know that a lot of hunting is done on foot with hounds - So I gather your ok with that then?
And the deliberate targeting by shooters etc is also ok as well? It's just the horses you have a problem with - yeah? What is it you hate about horses?

gozunda · 21-01-2019 1:39am

anewme wrote: »

Ahh im sure the dogs owner gets your explanation that **** happens.The fact that there was an uncontrolled of dogs out that killed a defenceless pet in its own home where it shoud be safe is just unfortunate.Do you think the ssme of the pack that entered a cat sanctuary and killed 60 cats.
Unfortunate?

As in every other news story where a dog attacked another dog - god forbid anyone would make hay out of it. Maybe you should get on to the gardai to report your outrage at said incident instead of banging on about it on the internet?

Thd Bray Harriers Drag Hunt 'killed' 60 cats??? Stop the hyperbole ffs - that really is some amount of bs and exaggeration. Its a story from England where 60 cats were declared 'missing' after some hounds ran riot.

Police statement "The huntmaster apologised to the property owner, and there has been no report of any injury or damage or of any criminal offence being committed.”

Marengo · 21-01-2019 1:44am

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Different sport and not relevent. I have nothing to do with coursing or grey hound racing. Totally different breed of people are interested in the two sports.

:rolleyes:

anewme · 21-01-2019 1:52am

gozunda wrote: »

As in every other news story where a dog attacked another dog - god forbid anyone would make hay out of it. Maybe you should get on to the gardai to report your outrage at said incident instead of banging on about it on the internet?

Theres just not one incident, there are dozens.

Its not a dog attacking another dog, its a trained pack demolishing a single defenceless pet in front of its owner. The fact you defend this incident or think the owner should be appeased by the hallow apology shows how little empsthy you feel for someone whose dog is a family member as opposed to a hunt dog, just a tool.

I oppose hunting in any way, shape or form and never claim otherwise.

Your response shows you have run out of excuses.

anewme · 21-01-2019 1:59am

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

No one was blaming the cats either, they were blaming your parents.

For the record I think fox hunting should be banned, equally so should allowing cats to roam. Dog owners are held accountable for damage to property, wildlife and persons. Cats should be no different. Your post is very hypocritical.

What about the hunt that killed cats in a cat sanctuary?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cats-hunt-fox-hounds-deer-sussex-hastings-celia-hammond-a8151911.html

Fault of those setting it up there as a hunt could come through.

gozunda · 21-01-2019 2:03am

anewme wrote: »

Ahh im sure the dogs owner gets your explanation that **** happensThe fact that there was an uncontrolled of dogs out that killed a defenceless pet in its own home where it shoud be safe is just unfortunate.Do you think the ssme of the pack that entered a cat sanctuary and killed 60 cats.

Away and fek with that rubbish. Go and report said incident again to the Gardai which happened during a drag hunt in Bray in 2013!. There wasnt even a conviction! And then for bonus points you then start on about '60' cats in england which went missing* (not 'killed' btw') and where hunting is banned funnily enough and its trail hunting now. That's enough bolloxology tbh.

*"The huntmaster apologised to the property owner, and there has been no report of any injury or damage or of any criminal offence being committed.”

anewme · 21-01-2019 2:09am

gozunda wrote: »

Away and fek with your rubbish. Go and report said incident again to the Gardai which happened during drag hunt in Bray in 2013!. There wasnt even a conviction! And then for bonus points you then start on about '60' cats in england which went missing where hunting is banned funnily enough and its trail hunting now. That's enough bolloxology tbh.

Because any questions or queries are just ballixology.

And once an apology issues, sure its all great. Sure feck the pets killed, just get another, the hunt is a greater power so be grateful with an apology.

Nope, not buying the bull****, or the deflection.

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 2:11am

The antis for fox hunting always reach for the old gem that shooting a fox is the best solution with a problem predator.
The trouble here is the only experience most antis have of shooting is watching James Bond with his one shot one kill television bullsh1t.
I've seen people fire guns and they wouldn't hit a hayshed if they were standing inside it.give them boys a live target and 9 times out of 10 they will maim the animal with a gut shot and it could be days suffering.or worse they will shoot it with a shotgun out of range and just dust it with pellets.
How many of the same antis eat meat I wonder without ever having been in a factory and seeing the animals being dispatched and butchered?
It goes back to the James Bond theory again here that they were shot and never felt a thing.its all boll1x.of course they feel something.they are shot or stunned with a captive bolt gun and yes they kick and move about after while being chained and hung up before being bled.but someone else does the dirty work here for the antis and they can feel good buying a steak in a nice little package because the magic bullet did the trick in their own mind.

gozunda · 21-01-2019 2:12am

anewme wrote: »

Because any questions or queries are just ballixology.

If you really think anything under hand went on - then report it. You seem to be an expert.

anewme · 21-01-2019 2:15am

gozunda wrote: »

If you really think anything under hand went on - then report it. You seem to be an expert.

I dont need to report it. Ive read it thanks to others honest reporting.

And Court Reports.

The Bray Hunt did not get too much sympathy there.

I note your lack of empathy toward the pet owner. Sure they shoukd be grateful with an apology.

gozunda · 21-01-2019 2:20am

anewme wrote: »

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So you know it was a Drag Hunt (no hunting whatsoever) and It would appear to have been an unfortunate and sad accident. And there wasn't even a conviction. So what's your point making milage about a news story nothing to do with any fox hunting whatsoever. your exaggeration is noted btw.

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 2:28am

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I don't need to. Dullards and cowards.

I would have expected better from fox hunters on this thread. Some form of coherent argument. There really is a coherent argument though.

I can't wait for the day fox hunting is banned and its taken away from you.

It is going to be banned. You will have to get your jollies from somewhere else.
I'll come and smile at you if you want on that day.

There's no fear that fox hunting will be banned on the Emerald Isle.its currently being promoted through tourism with a lot of English and American riders partaking in it.
Hunt on my friends.tallyho

anewme · 21-01-2019 2:31am

gozunda wrote: »

So you know it was a Drag Hunt and It would appear to have been an unfortunate accident. And there wasn't even a conviction. So what's your point making milage about a news story nothing to do with any fox hunting whatsoever. The exaggeration is noted btw.

Stop trying to deflect.

An out of control pack of dogs, under the respondibility of a pack of hunters, trespassed on a familys land and tore apart their pet dog in front of them.

But this is nothing more than an unfortunate accident in your eyes snd you are making little of it and their upset.

To some people, pets just cant be replaced by a new one and there exists an emotional bond.

Id not see it that way if it were my dog, nor should I.

anewme · 21-01-2019 2:34am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

There's no fear that fox hunting will be banned on the Emerald Isle.its currently being promoted through tourism with a lot of English and American riders partaking in it.
Hunt on my friends.tallyho

Not sure thats the case to be honest.

The greyhound racing industry is on the verge of collapse snd this cant be far behind.

gozunda · 21-01-2019 2:35am

anewme wrote: »

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If you would like - go set up thread about said incident - please do so and report it to the gardai or whatever your outraged by. No hunting or 'hunters' btw. It was a DRAG PACK.

In the meantime stop tying to milk something nothing to do with the thread.

Cherry Blossom · 21-01-2019 2:36am

anewme wrote: »

What about the hunt that killed cats in a cat sanctuary?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cats-hunt-fox-hounds-deer-sussex-hastings-celia-hammond-a8151911.html

Fault of those setting it up there as a hunt could come through.

I'm not sure what your point is. I don't know anything about this particular organisation but I'm sure you are aware that not all animal charities are equal. If the hunt was trespassing its obvious who was at fault but your link states the cats were free to roam in nearby woodland ie not the property of the scantuary. Personally I would not support an organisation that allowed their wards to roam it is irresponsible and not keeping within the welfare needs of the animals in its care. I've never heard of any rescues in this country that do not contain their cats on their own property.

gozunda · 21-01-2019 2:38am

anewme wrote: »

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Nope - afaik greyhound racing has just got new investment and fair play to them. But then again that's got absolutely nothing to do with the thread has it :rolleyes:

WinnyThePoo · 21-01-2019 2:39am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I don't need to. Dullards and cowards.

I would have expected better from fox hunters on this thread. Some form of coherent argument. There really is a coherent argument though.

I can't wait for the day fox hunting is banned and its taken away from you.

It is going to be banned. You will have to get your jollies from somewhere else.
I'll come and smile at you if you want on that day.

There's no fear that fox hunting will be banned on the Emerald Isle.its currently being promoted through tourism with a lot of English and American riders partaking in it.
Hunt on my friends.tallyho

Fear is a interesting word. Do you fear it being taken away from you. It's happening as we speak by the way.

There is not one coherent argument for it to be allowed ie. This thread.

gozunda · 21-01-2019 2:45am

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Fear is a interesting word. Do you fear it being taken away from you. It's happening as we speak by the way. There is not one coherent argument for it to be allowed ie. This thread.

Nope. Just a load of hot air and hyperbole apparently. I reckon you havn't read any of the genuine posts in the thread obviously. But hey there you go ...

anewme · 21-01-2019 2:50am

gozunda wrote: »

Nope - afaik greyhound racing has just got new investment and fair play to them. But then again that's got absolutely nothing to do with the thread has it

If you think ts a thriving industry, then think again.

Irush greyhounds boiled alive in China when past it, no thanks.

Not me who brought it up so msybe direct yourself there.

Its stil dying on its feet though.

anewme · 21-01-2019 2:57am

gozunda wrote: »

If you would like - go set up thread about said incident - please do so and report it to the gardai or whatever your outraged by. No hunting or 'hunters' btw. It was a DRAG PACK.

In the meantime stop tying to milk something nothing to do with the thread.

Its a thread about hunts and uncontrolled packs riding over the rights of others.

What exactly gives you the right to cross out my words as if my opinion does not count.?

anewme · 21-01-2019 2:59am

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Fear is a interesting word. Do you fear it being taken away from you. It's happening as we speak by the way.

There is not one coherent argument for it to be allowed ie. This thread.

The arrogance of the person actually drawing a line through my posts, as if my opnions are less valid than theirs is quite simply brazen neck astounding and sums up the whole thing.

Note: post now edited where lines were drawn through my opinions. Question remains to Poster: what right did you have to draw lines through my opinions.

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 3:02am

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Fear is a interesting word. Do you fear it being taken away from you. It's happening as we speak by the way.

There is not one coherent argument for it to be allowed ie. This thread.

If it's happening as we speak I must have been daydreaming on St. Stephen's Day when one of the biggest hunt fields passed through my village with several foot and car followers many of which had English registrations.our local hunt are out 3 days a week in season and are positively thriving

gozunda · 21-01-2019 3:03am

anewme wrote: »

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Lol. Because its clear those comments had nothing to do with actual hunting. End of ...

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 3:05am

anewme wrote: »

Not sure thats the case to be honest.

The greyhound racing industry is on the verge of collapse snd this cant be far behind.

You want to tell that to the boys in shelbourne park on derby final night.impossible to get a ticket its that packed

anewme · 21-01-2019 3:11am

gozunda wrote: »

Because its clear those comments had nothing to do with actual hunting. If you wish to start another thread rather than derail this one then fine.

Its not your place to cross out out peoples opinions.

Who do you think you are.

Brazen cheek.

anewme · 21-01-2019 3:19am

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Just a load of hot air and hyperbole apparently. I reckon you havn't read any of the genuine posts in the thread obviously. But hey there you go ...

The genuine posts must be the ones you havent drawn a line through, because you have the say on censorship here.

gozunda · 21-01-2019 3:21am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

If it's happening as we speak I must have been daydreaming on St. Stephen's Day when one of the biggest hunt fields passed through my village with several foot and car followers many of which had English registrations.our local hunt are out 3 days a week in season and are positively thriving

Same here. Great community support to a local hunt. Both old people and young out to watch hounds.

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 3:21am

Do you eat meat anewme

gozunda · 21-01-2019 3:25am

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is. I don't know anything about this particular organisation but I'm sure you are aware that not all animal charities are equal. If the hunt was trespassing its obvious who was at fault but your link states the cats were free to roam in nearby woodland ie not the property of the scantuary. Personally I would not support an organisation that allowed their wards to roam it is irresponsible and not keeping within the welfare needs of the animals in its care. I've never heard of any rescues in this country that do not contain their cats on their own property.

Certainly a strange story with eldely animals allowed to roam freely in a woodland. Had an orange tabby here taken by a dog fox several years ago. This was in a yard. I can't imagine leaving old or vulnerable pets to wander about in a wood tbh.

WinnyThePoo · 21-01-2019 3:43am

gozunda wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Fear is a interesting word. Do you fear it being taken away from you. It's happening as we speak by the way. There is not one coherent argument for it to be allowed ie. This thread.

Nope. Just a load of hot air and hyperbole apparently. I reckon you havn't read any of the genuine posts in the thread obviously. But hey there you go ...

I've read your posts. Are they not genuine?.

Not one coherent line of thinking behind fox hunting as been shown. Not by you or anyone else.

AudreyHepburn · 21-01-2019 8:07am

gozunda wrote: »

Is it really? So when a landowner wants a specific fox removed - you say they are wrong?
Hounds kill the exact same way as foxes do - quickly and efficiently. You got problem with that? And problem is shooting does not always hit the mark. Like hares and rabbits fox might only get torn up after death. Nice? No. But no different from wildlife smashed up by people. How many times do you need this explained?

First of all get off your high horse (pun intended) before you fall. Blustering and pontificating won’t make you anymore correct in your point of view.

Secondly how many times does it need to be said that there is a world of difference between a wild animal acting on instinct and doing what is necessary for it to survive and a pack of hounds hunting and killing on the orders of people for their own personal enjoyment.

Look if you want to spend your Sunday afternoons terrorizing defenseless creatures and allowing them to be torn apart for your own sick pleasure go ahead but can you at least be man enough to acknowledge the Hunt for what it is?

anewme · 21-01-2019 8:30am

gozunda wrote: »

Certainly a strange story with eldely animals allowed to roam freely in a woodland. Had an orange tabby here taken by a dog fox several years ago. This was in a yard. I can't imagine leaving old or vulnerable pets to wander about in a wood tbh.

Victim blaming?

If you read the reports, the hunt dogs went directly into the sanctuary’s land. But instead of actually acknowledging this, you blame the Sanctuary owners. Pets should be safe on their own land.

Lot of excuses for poor control and behavior resulting in deaths of people’s pets from The Hunting Supporters.

AudreyHepburn · 21-01-2019 8:34am

anewme wrote: »

Victim blaming?

If you read the reports, the hunt dogs went directly into the sanctuary’s land. But instead of actually acknowledging this, you blame the Sanctuary owners. Pets should be safe on their own land.

Lot of excuses for poor control and behavior resulting in deaths of people’s pets from The Hunting Supporters.

Agreed - I’ll accept this may have only been a drag hunt but if the hounds can’t be kept under control then it should banned along with the real hunt.

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 8:47am

anewme wrote: »

Victim blaming?

If you read the reports, the hunt dogs went directly into the sanctuary’s land. But instead of actually acknowledging this, you blame the Sanctuary owners. Pets should be safe on their own land.

Lot of excuses for poor control and behavior resulting in deaths of people’s pets from The Hunting Supporters.

In fairness anewme cats which were mentioned in the article have no concept of what is their land and constantly roam about the place.

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 8:49am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Agreed - I’ll accept this may have only been a drag hunt but if the hounds can’t be kept under control then it should banned along with the real hunt.

And if fox hunting was banned what do you propose is done with a few thousand hounds nationwide

anewme · 21-01-2019 8:58am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

In fairness anewme cats which were mentioned in the article have no concept of what is their land and constantly roam about the place.

The point is, they were roaming about their own place when the hounds (who have no concept of land ownership either btw) trespassed.

The responsibility for hounds trespassing is down to those responsible for the Hunt,

The Hunt acknowledged they were in the wrong so not quite sure why hunt supporters find this difficult to understand.

If my cat is in my garden and your dog attacks it in my garden, that’s your fault, not mine.

AudreyHepburn · 21-01-2019 9:04am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

And if fox hunting was banned what do you propose is done with a few thousand hounds nationwide

I’m sure there are shelters that could take them in. Or the hunters could continue to keep them and look after them.

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 9:09am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I’m sure there are shelters that could take them in. Or the hunters could continue to keep them and look after them.

No rescues will take in hounds and no hunters will keep a load of hounds if they weren't allowed to hunt. The foxhound breed has been finely tuned over generations through selective breeding with the sole purpose of hunting a fox and running with a horse

Discodog · 21-01-2019 9:18am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

The antis for fox hunting always reach for the old gem that shooting a fox is the best solution with a problem predator.
The trouble here is the only experience most antis have of shooting is watching James Bond with his one shot one kill television bullsh1t.
I've seen people fire guns and they wouldn't hit a hayshed if they were standing inside it.give them boys a live target and 9 times out of 10 they will maim the animal with a gut shot and it could be days suffering.or worse they will shoot it with a shotgun out of range and just dust it with pellets.
How many of the same antis eat meat I wonder without ever having been in a factory and seeing the animals being dispatched and butchered?
It goes back to the James Bond theory again here that they were shot and never felt a thing.its all boll1x.of course they feel something.they are shot or stunned with a captive bolt gun and yes they kick and move about after while being chained and hung up before being bled.but someone else does the dirty work here for the antis and they can feel good buying a steak in a nice little package because the magic bullet did the trick in their own mind.

In that case we had better ban shooting too.

Discodog · 21-01-2019 9:22am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Do you eat meat anewme

You Pros, we might as well give you a name too, always reel out this old chestnut.

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 9:31am

Discodog wrote: »

You Pros, we might as well give you a name too, always reel out this old chestnut.

It was a genuine question which went unanswered.my own belief is that if a person eats meat they should be fully aware of the process involved in putting that meat on a plate and accept all that goes with the process in order to produce meat.
How many of the same people who eat meat would be able and willing to kill and butcher an animal if they had to without having someone else do it for them and produce it in a nice little packet.hypocrisy and a blind belief in the magic bullet goes a long way in providing comfort to the selective blind if you ask me.

Discodog · 21-01-2019 9:33am

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is. I don't know anything about this particular organisation but I'm sure you are aware that not all animal charities are equal. If the hunt was trespassing its obvious who was at fault but your link states the cats were free to roam in nearby woodland ie not the property of the scantuary. Personally I would not support an organisation that allowed their wards to roam it is irresponsible and not keeping within the welfare needs of the animals in its care. I've never heard of any rescues in this country that do not contain their cats on their own property.

A quick Google will show you that they are a highly respected charity & very experienced. It has over one hundred acres of land & has a lot of long term residents that aren't suitable for rehoming.

The hunt admit that they trespassed & the charity have stated that that haven't pursued the matter yet as they are assessing the damage.

It's clear to me that the Charity did nothing wrong.

Discodog · 21-01-2019 9:35am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

It was a genuine question which went unanswered.my own belief is that if a person eats meat they should be fully aware of the process involved in putting that meat on a plate and accept all that goes with the process in order to produce meat.
How many of the same people who eat meat would be able and willing to kill and butcher an animal if they had to without having someone else do it for them and produce it in a nice little packet.hypocrisy and a blind belief in the magic bullet goes a long way in providing comfort to the selective blind if you ask me.

It's probably unanswered as it has nothing to do with a mob chasing a fox until it is exhausted purely for fun.

Doctors room ghost · 21-01-2019 9:36am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I’m sure there are shelters that could take them in. Or the hunters could continue to keep them and look after them.

Try and find a shelter who would be willing to take in a couple of thousand foxhounds if this situation arose.there are none.foxhounds aren't kept as pets and are therefore not suitable for rehoming.these same shelters are already running on a shoestring budget and are currently exporting greyhounds to the uk and Italy for rehoming as there is no demand for them here.

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