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RTÉ DTT Tests: Mullaghanish

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 Longie555


    I saw the strobe last night, seriously bright. I'am about fifteen miles as the crow flies. I'd say the sky must light up in the area around the mast :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭dunleas


    Antenna wrote: »
    regarding the new mast at Mullaghanish

    I am led to believe that strobe lighting is now operational on the Mullaghanish replacement mast and would be visible farther than the old lighting. Anyone with LOS (Line-Of-Sight) - have a look during darkness!

    When do you think it will become live?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 873 ✭✭✭More Music


    It is live, although DTT is still on reduced power for the moment.

    All services are now live on the new mast. The old one is being stripped down and dismantled.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    More Music wrote: »
    It is live, although DTT is still on reduced power for the moment.

    All services are now live on the new mast. The old one is being stripped down and dismantled.

    the reduced power, that's the same level it's been at for a while though right? i was having serious signal level issues up until the weekend when i moved my aerial and now have a rock solid signal, any increase in power will only help, but just wondering is the power level now as low as it will go


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 kenny555


    We have been plagued by the strobe lights [from Mullaghanish] the last few nights.
    Our bedroom is lit up at a 1Hz rate, via our velux window
    --- and we are >20 miles away!!

    Do they need some sort of planning to do this?
    or an Environment Impact Survey, including the damage caused buy Zombie Insomniacs?

    Anyone know how long this will go on for??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Always. Methinks you need a light tight blind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    watty wrote: »
    Always. Methinks you need a light tight blind.

    Velux blackout blinds are available, my brother has them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭John mac


    kenny555 wrote: »

    Do they need some sort of planning to do this?

    It is probably part of the planning requirements to have them.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    The Cush wrote: »
    Velux blackout blinds are available, my brother has them.

    had them in a house we rented once, they'll stop any light.unbelievable darkness due to them, we had a SE facing window and even on a rare sunny day they would keep the room in total darkness all day


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Are these lights the navigation ones intended for aircraft?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Are these lights the navigation ones intended for aircraft?
    This from the planning application (Kerry Co Council 07/1965)
    A lightning protection system and an aircraft warning light, to IAA specifications, will be installed at the top of the new mast, as outlined below:

    The Irish Avistion Authority specifies that warning lights on masts shall be in accordance with the International Civil Aviation Organization regulation (ICAO). The specific ICAO document is Chapter 6, Volume 1, Annex 14. A copy of the relevant section is enclosed. This specifies that:

    • High-intensity lights, type A, shall be used, as the height of the mast is >150m. (refer Section 6.3.8 of ICAO)
    • The lights shall be located ⅓ height, ⅔ height and top of mast (refer Fig 6.6 of ICAO)
    • The lights shall be fashing white, in accordance with Table 6.3 of ICAO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 kenny555


    Got a reply from RTENL - the operators of the Transmitter.
    apparently they were commissioning new lighting system this week
    and left the daytime lights on overnight......
    this was the cause of the intense illumination of the Cork/Kerry sky!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    kenny555 wrote: »
    Got a reply from RTENL - the operators of the Transmitter.
    apparently they were commissioning new lighting system this week
    and left the daytime lights on overnight......
    this was the cause of the intense illumination of the Cork/Kerry sky!!

    You gotta be kidding me!! Are you this isn't caused by arrows and indians per chance or any other made up nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭12 element


    Stinicker wrote: »
    You gotta be kidding me!! Are you this isn't caused by arrows and indians per chance or any other made up nonsense.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_warning_lights

    I'm not sure if this is the case in Ireland or if they even have different lights for day time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    12 element wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_warning_lights

    I'm not sure if this is the case in Ireland or if they even have different lights for day time.

    ICAO regulations apply worldwide.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭12 element


    The Cush wrote: »
    ICAO regulations apply worldwide.

    This is all I was commenting on:
    Wikipedia wrote:
    Such devices make the structure much more visible to passing aircraft and are usually used at night, although in some countries they are used in the daytime also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Mullaghanish analogue and DTT went off air tonight, analogue TV3 & TG4 disappeared about 12:10 am followed by analogue RTÉ, assume DTT went around the same time.

    My fallback - Woodcock Hill DTT all OK.

    EDIT: Radio also down.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Still down at 3am!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    Working fine at 7.55am


  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭jimmyjim11


    More Music wrote: »
    It is live, although DTT is still on reduced power for the moment.

    All services are now live on the new mast. The old one is being stripped down and dismantled.

    Any one know when power is going to be increased :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    jimmyjim11 wrote: »
    Any one know when power is going to be increased :)

    The latest information in the public domain is following ASO in Q4 2012 due to Irish analogue restrictions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Voyager II


    Anybody else down at the moment. No sig from mulla at the moment.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Voyager II wrote: »
    Anybody else down at the moment. No sig from mulla at the moment.:(

    Yes it's down.

    Announcement on RTÉ Radio 1's Drivetime this evening (after AA Roadwatch report at 5.30) that Mullaghanish will have outages all week due to essential work - weather permitting between 9.00 AM and 5.00 PM

    http://www.rte.ie/radio1/player_av.html?0,null,200,http://dynamic.rte.ie/quickaxs/209-r1-drivetime-Monday.smil (1.05.00)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭ralphie


    Gone here too from Mullaghanish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭ralphie


    Back again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 873 ✭✭✭More Music


    Dismantling the old mast.


  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭jimmyjim11


    Wasn't able to pick up DTT the last few days/weeks
    Tried again last night and got it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭vince


    was up there today top part of old mast down and most antenna removed. light was flashing on new mast looked like 4 lights at the top. the flashing light is bright at night from 20 miles away were i live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    RTÉ shines unwanted spotlight on night sky

    By Paddy Clancy and Eoin English

    Wednesday, September 15, 2010

    RESIDENTS living in the shadows of RTÉ TV masts have been thrust into an unwanted spotlight since faults in aviation warning lights caused them to default to a blinding 220,000 lumen setting 24 hours a day.

    The RTÉ company which manages its transmission network has identified faults in warning lights on two new masts which are lighting up night skies.

    The faults have caused the white aviation warning lights on masts in Sligo and Cork to default to a blinding 220,000 lumen setting 24 hours a day.

    Brendan Gavin, from Rathmore, who lives close to RTÉ Transmission Network Ltd’s new 220-metre mast on Mullaganish on the Cork and Kerry border, said it can be seen at nighttime up to six miles away.

    "The white light from this thing at night-time is very intense and it is a danger to traffic on the N22," he said.

    He also claimed some people living closer to the mast haven’t been able to sleep at night, such is its brightness.

    The same type of fault also caused a mystery across five counties in the north-west at the weekend.

    People were puzzled by the mountain-top lights that they hadn’t seen before and which flashed across parts of counties Sligo, Leitrim, Donegal, Fermanagh and Mayo.

    Internet bloggers soon realised the lights were flashing from Truskmore, north Co Sligo. One blogger said they were so bright he couldn’t sleep. Another asked: "Seriously? Don’t you have curtains?"

    But RTÉ solved the mystery yesterday.

    A spokesman said the aircraft warning lights on its masts at Truskmore and Mullaganish developed a switching fault.

    All large masts have flashing aircraft warning lights installed to the standards required by the Irish Aviation Authority.

    "The vast majority of lights have day-time and night-time settings. The day-time setting is often around 100 times brighter than the night-time settings for the obvious reason that it’s harder to see during daylight," the spokesman said.

    "Occasionally, the switching equipment fails and for safety reasons the fail-safe position is the brighter setting.

    "When the brighter, day-time setting is operating in the dark it can light up the whole surrounding area and would be very obvious for some distance in all directions."

    The spokesman said the company has been in contact with the lights’ manufacturers and they hope to resolve the issue quickly.

    The new, 175-metre mast at Truskmore, which can accommodate digital signals, has just been completed replacing the 135-metre one erected in 1960 in preparation for the introduction of RTÉ Television in 1961.

    The mast at Mullaganish replaces a 170-metre mast, which remains on site.

    The mast is designed to facilitate better coverage and deliver an improved service to viewers and listeners.

    The masts are used to broadcast RTÉ1, RTÉ2, TV3 and TG4 television stations, RTÉ Radio 1, 2FM, Raidio na Gaeltachta, Lyric FM, and Today FM, as well as services for local and regional radio stations.

    http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/rte-shines-unwanted-spotlight-on-night-sky-130789.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Similar piece in Wed's Irish Times relating to Truskmore
    RTÉ solves mystery of night lights

    The mystery of flashing night-time lights across five counties in the northwest was resolved yesterday when RTÉ said an aircraft warning light had developed a switching fault on a mast at Truskmore.


    The lights flashed across parts of Sligo, Leitrim, Donegal, Fermanagh and Mayo. RTÉ said all large masts had flashing warning lights.

    “Occasionally the switching equipment fails and for safety reasons, the fail-safe position is the brighter setting.”

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0915/1224278897082.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    I wouldn't be in any hurry to buy lights from that supplier if two systems failed within days of installing:(
    Scary


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    All four mux's ( 21,24,25 & 28 ) were running this morning. However, right now, it's only 21 ( public service mux ) and 24. However, both are transmitting the usual channels as per test mode of recent months. Wonder why they are bothering with 24,25 & 28 as there is no commercial dtt on the horizon ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Despite what some claim that RTE NL was deliberately blocking PayDTT, the reverse is true. They had spent or committed about €40M before talks broke down and both Boxer then One Vision pulled out. So the main sites may all have 4 x Mux and the gear needs to be tested. Can't be discovering it's broken in 4 years time when the Warranty runs out :) and a "top up TV" launches. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Voyager II


    Same here all four mux's have a signal. Duplicate channels on 21 & 24.
    25 & 28 With signal but no channels. Dont know why 24 is up and running maybe we are going to get more than we expected( highly unlikley but you never know)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    They will be rolling out the 2nd mux ASAP on all DTT sites. It could be that 2nd Mux will be running on all sites that are active by Public Launch date.

    Originally with payTV the PSB wasn't getting 2nd mux till early 2013, i.e. after ASO. But they given approval to do 2nd Mux now, hence HD plans and 2nd mux nearly 2 years earlier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    watty wrote: »
    They will be rolling out the 2nd mux ASAP on all DTT sites. It could be that 2nd Mux will be running on all sites that are active by Public Launch date.

    Originally with payTV the PSB wasn't getting 2nd mux till early 2013, i.e. after ASO. But they given approval to do 2nd Mux now, hence HD plans and 2nd mux nearly 2 years earlier.

    I agree with watty, could be the second mux testing, after all the equipment is installed so why not use it.

    ISAA posted recently that a second mux has been fired up at Truskmore.

    I assume the same will apply to the other 11 transmitters that were first rolled out before the commercial DTT process ended, all 13 sites probably had the equipment for all 4 muxes installed.

    Could any of the installed and unused mux equipment be easily moved to some of the other relay sites?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Aerials and feeds/combiners and Transmitters/powers are likely site specific.

    The DVB-T / COFDM modulator for each mux is likely same on all sites. Some transmitters can maybe be reused, but they are not going to use a 10KW jobbie on a 1Kw site etc..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Machinehead


    Mulla quality way above that from my regular mast Maghera. Showing all four muxes live, no programming on no.s 25 & 28.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    Mulla quality way above that from my regular mast Maghera. Showing all four muxes live, no programming on no.s 25 & 28.

    interesting, you're down in kerry right? i wonder have they upped the power from mulla, would be nice to be able to pick it up with a DVB-T pc card aerial, without having to connect to the aerial in the attic

    given where i am though that is too much to hope for...

    must do a rescan tonight though and check


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    mossym wrote: »
    interesting, you're down in kerry right? i wonder have they upped the power from mulla, would be nice to be able to pick it up with a DVB-T pc card aerial, without having to connect to the aerial in the attic

    Since the extra muxes were powered up on Mon I have lost side-on aerial reception from Woodcock Hill, it returns when Mullaghanish is switched off for maintenance. So I guess there has been an increase in power.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    The Cush wrote: »
    Since the extra muxes were powered up on Mon I have lost side-on aerial reception from Woodcock Hill, it returns when Mullaghanish is switched off for maintenance. So I guess there has been an increase in power.

    cheers for that, might have to have a play around tonight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pa990


    mossym wrote: »
    interesting, you're down in kerry right? i wonder have they upped the power from mulla, would be nice to be able to pick it up with a DVB-T pc card aerial, without having to connect to the aerial in the attic

    given where i am though that is too much to hope for...

    must do a rescan tonight though and check

    power has been upped today, to the previous high level
    previously i had it coming in @100%, but then it dropped to 20% then i coulnt get it at all, but my setup is a wideband antenna pointed at spurhill on the gable end of the house.

    over the weekend, mulla was recievable again at 20%, and today it's back at 100% with a far from ideal setup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Machinehead


    The Cush wrote: »
    Since the extra muxes were powered up on Mon I have lost side-on aerial reception from Woodcock Hill, it returns when Mullaghanish is switched off for maintenance. So I guess there has been an increase in power.
    Like yourself when Mullla is on full(?) power it blows Maghera right outa the water:D Aerial is directed at Maghera & side on to Mulla. Still finding variable pq on RTÉ NL2 HD test from time to time. Waiting for response from Panasonic re MHEG5 software update for D25L:(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Like yourself when Mullla is on full(?) power it blows Maghera right outa the water:D Aerial is directed at Maghera & side on to Mulla. Still finding variable pq on RTÉ NL2 HD test from time to time. Waiting for response from Panasonic re MHEG5 software update for D25L:(

    How are people here finding Mullaghanish output power lately? It seems to be gone very weak by me for about the last three weeks and has gone from the occasional pixelation breakup to constant breakup.

    I have a group A aerial (like this guys bottom one) and a Triax TA32W 24Watt Mast Head Amplifier. I know people who live about a mile away and have no problem and don't even need a Masthead amp or a bit and have no picture breakup.

    The funny thing is my signal is going from 90% down to between 32 to 58% about every two to three seconds which may indicate Wind Turbine interference with the signal from Mullaghanish. Some times of the day the picture is perfect however mostly over the last three weeks it is full strength.

    I really don't know what is wrong as I have every thing setup properly and yet it still continues to disentegrate and pixelate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,658 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Stinicker wrote: »
    How are people here finding Mullaghanish output power lately? It seems to be gone very weak by me for about the last three weeks and has gone from the occasional pixelation breakup to constant breakup.

    I've noticed something happening in the last few days, occasional pixelisation to complete loss of signal on RTÉ 1 on both Mullaghanish and Woodcock Hill. Had put it down to the the windy conditions the last few days.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    mines been rock solid, no issues for the last week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Machinehead


    Rock solid? High signal quality & no break up or low quality but steady recepton.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Voyager II


    Rock solid here even on low power. Group A antenna no amps coax split to three different rooms and a 60 foot run to the garage all with excellent pic no tilling. Hd picture is suspect from time to time on NL2 and probably down to RTENL still running tests.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    Rock solid? High signal quality & no break up or low quality but steady recepton.

    the signal strength meter on my tv is buried 3 menus deep, so i only ever look at it when i have an issue, so not sure if the signal strength has dropped, as the picture has been perfect with no break ups all week, so even if the signal strength has dropped, it hasn't hit any threshold to start causing problems

    like i said, rock solid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Voyager II


    Credit where credit is due. I have to say over the last few days even with the massive amounts of ducting RTE NL transmissions from mulla to here have been spot on with no co channel interferance at all.


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