Survivor: Winners at War

Another great episode, if it keeps up this standard in the run in it'll be my favourite season in years.

Ben is so bad at certain parts of the game, telling Tony he was the target before the IC in the hope that it would help convince him to vote out his arch nemesis Jeremy.

As someone has already said, Michelle is all over the place. Such a disappointing second half of the season. Her social game is impressive and I can see how it was enough to get her the win in her original season but she's going to struggle to replicate that again.

In terms of the game, Sarah seems to have gotten over last weeks blindside but at the same time she'll never talk to Tony again if she gets voted out. That's quite the reaction.

Wow this is a quality season, potential GOAT. Tony is a machine. Kim completely deserved it for cookies and peanutbuter ffs, maybe if it was cheeseburgers? They're days away from playing for $2 million and you step down for a food reward...

The balls on Jeremy and Sarah in TC aswell not to play especially Sarah to refuse the free idol, this is ultra level Survivor gameplay, now everyone will have to take Tony and maybe Jeremy having idols in their pockets into account, anything could happen just off that. Jeremy threatening Denise aswell... I need a shower after that!

This was the first episode I actually enjoyed of this Season!
Great game play by Tony.
I think my issue is there are still so many characters with EoE and main camp. At least when they get voted out they are just jury. I also dont like that whoever returns has gotten to watch every TC prior to returning.

It was a double episode tonight.

SteveK83 wrote: »

Very good episode that and am glad they did the whole recap thing at the end ahead of the 3 hour finale.

Not too sure on the EOE aspect. I think a more redemption island type aspect would have been better. Cant see anyone from EOE winning it no matter who comes back in.

Did you not watch the first Edge of Extinction season? The one where the person who came back from Edge of Extinction went and won the whole thing? :rolleyes:

Ben, Nick and Michelle are pretty far from great player territory based on recent performances.

Rooting for Tony but hoping he'll have to face a few more bumps on the road for entertainment purposes, he's really been great this season. I wonder if Sarah does have a shot if they sit beside each other as she has plenty of friends on the jury and Tony has orchestrated a few blindsides that could leave a bitter taste.

Jesus that finale was far too long. I was losing the will to live towards the end, and there wasn't even a reunion (for obvious reasons)

The right person won though, absolutely.

Teenagers would push it in a love island direction, I think. Lots of horny singles on the island.

Delighted with the winner but I watched most of it in dread, had a horrible feeling Natalie would pull off. The edit over the past few weeks made it almost inevitable that she was the one returning. Once Tony made final 3, I knew that was it.

Really not a fan of extinction, someone who never even survived through a tribal council can come into the game at final 6 with an idol in there pocket having lived with the jury. Rob summed it up best, she had to play a perfect game when she returned but she failed to take Tony out. She didn't have the Chris Underwoods to go to fire against him.

Great performance by Tony overall, the timing of taking out Sophie and Kim, the using Jeremy when he needed him, the relationships he built with Ben and Sarah. And even when the final episode revolved alot around Natalie, you'd forget he had an Idol at 6, Immunity at 5 and Firemaker at 4. King of Survivor!!

kingtut wrote: »

Woohoo! I had predicted that Natalie would return and Tony would win. Glad I got something right for a change!

Definitely far too long of an episode and far too much crying but an enjoyable season overall.

Way too long. I skipped over a lot of bits! I'm obviously getting mu US and Australia confused but I thought natalie was the one who had the arranged marriage - clearly not - so who was that?

That moment when Sarah’s fire shot up early on and was singeing the rope had me on tenterhooks for Tony.

Would have been nice to see Michelle get a vote but felt her game was too much of a scramble to be considered win worthy and she was the biggest non-threat for Natalie to bring along.

Natalie’s resilience was impressive and I had a feeling it was leaning towards her but had hope when the jury question in the outwit stage made it sound like she hadn’t taken advantage of the opportunity to make many close friends on EoE. Tony had a better rapport with many of them.

Episode felt a bit bloated at stages such as after the redemption challenge but in that specific case, we probably won’t see many of those big characters again. Overall a satisfying ending.

Tony definitely played the best game and deserved to win. It's bizarre how people let him get to the end when it was so obvious to the viewer and jury- how did his alliance not realise it? What kind of game was Denise playing? Ben realising he had no hope of winning then after Natalie said that everyone knew Tony was running the show. And Sarah claiming it was gender inequality that people didn't consider her game equal to Tony's- Tony played a far superior game to Sarah. It's laughable that she brought up gender inequality when Survivor is one of the few places where it doesn't matter if you're male/female/straight/gay/black/white etc. Look at the winners- 1st winner a middle aged gay man, 2nd winner a middle aged white woman, 3rd winner a young Jewish male, 4th winner a black woman, etc. I really don't enjoy watching Sarah play- she played the same stunt last season on Troyzan in a hidden scene (on Youtube) where she claimed that she couldn't afford to have another kid and was crying saying that if he doesn't bring her to the end, she won't be able to have any more kids. I thought that was pretty disgusting.

Another thing- Michele has said online that 4 people came up to her and told her that they wanted to vote for her to win but felt like they had to vote for Tony to ensure that Natalie didn't win. She said it was Danni, Adam, Wendell and Nick. It makes sense, those people knew if Natalie won this season, it would be a nail in the coffin of Survivor and it's credibility.

I read it on Reddit, but I can't remember where.. sorry. It was in an interview Michele gave. There's also this on Reddit which makes VERY interesting reading, especially about what happened on 1 tribe in the early days and all the drama from the Edge- seems like it wasn't all lovey dovey like it was portrayed.

FROM DANNI'S LIVE

- Parvati and Danni were an instant duo and Parvati initially wanted to vote out Michele, changed her mind to Natalie.

- Ben told Jeremy that Danni was the one who came up with the Natalie vote when it was Parvati. Parvati then leapt onto this to save herself and painted Danni as the mastermind.

- Jeremy went off on Danni after the Natalie vote and accused her of going through his bag (when she didn't).

- Rob, Parvati and Ethan were the ones who flipped on Danni. Adam, Jeremy, and Tony texted Danni after the episode saying how unfair the edit was and how Danni had no choice in that situation.

- Adam told her that her only option was to try and get Parvati out.- The paranoia came from people who were calling her out about the false Jeremy-bag accusation and spreading rumours.

- Natalie, Amber and Danni were amazing friends on the start, Natalie completely excluded them later in the game.

- Amber and Danni are very close friends.

- Parvati bought two jars of peanut butter with the 4 tokens from the 50/50 challenge. One jar was to be shared between Parvati, Ethan, and Danni, and the other jar was to be shared between Rob, Amber and Natalie. Natalie and Rob ate all of theirs and they barely gave Amber anything. They then stole Danni, Ethan, and Parvati's peanut butter and ate all of what was left (these three were rationing it fairly). Natalie also had her own jar during this time. *THIS PART WAS NOT IN THE LIVE* but I think the rules got broken here and production either didn't know about it or didn't do anything about it. The peanut butter was purchased under the same premise of an idol or advantage, and it's not fair that Parvati and Danni's fire tokens were effectively stolen by Rob and Natalie.

- Is incredibly respectful of Tony's game.

- Yul caught a fish for Danni because she was so skinny and he felt bad because Natalie and Rob stole her peanut butter.

- Thinks Sarah deserved a better edit than what she got

- YUL AND NATALIE HAD A MAJOR FIGHT. Yul went to get the rice from the mountain when Adam got voted out, he offered to take Adam to get the rice and it took forever. Natalie was SO mad that they took too long to get the rice and when he came back she screamed at him calling him selfish, saying that all he ever does is stay by himself and go fishing all day. Got so bad to the point where Wendell stepped in and told Natalie to drop it. This is what caused Natalie to lose those 3 votes and probably lose the game.

- People on EOE said a ton of bad things about Sarah.

- There was a "mean girls" clique on Edge who spoke down to so many people.

- Was really upset with Wendell's edit.

- Was bitter towards with Michele at the time because she didn't believe Danni's plea to keep her being that Parvati initially wanted Michele out.

- Gave her fire token to Denise because she was the only one who listened to Danni.

- Yul had to go toilet in the middle of tribal council for 20 minutes.

- Natalie probably would have won if she made fire against Tony.

- It was actually Tyson, Parvati, and Danni who were the closest in the first returnee challenge - it was edited to be Rob though.

It seems like Natalie was rude to people on the edge and that was kinda alluded to when Rob mentioned it during the final tribal council. It seems like more of the edge people would have voted for Natalie had she been nicer which shows that the edge completely breaks the game. They really need to get rid of it for good.

Not sure why Tyson has such little input last night.

Two additional things.

I really didn't think that EoE worked at all, and not just from a 'spoiling the game' perspective. The idea of holding onto these big characters who were likely to get voted out early made sense to me but in practice I had no interest in hearing what they had to say as the season went on. I adore Parvati and Tyson, Yul and Ethan really grew on me given I hadn't seen their individual seasons but whenever the camera cut to an establishing shot of the edge, I was far from engaged. That's what Ponderosa is for, no idea why they don't do more with all the additional footage they have as we've all moved away from the traditional way of consuming media over the 40 seasons.

I knew an all winners season was going to be full of great players and characters but I was surprised with how the manner of their previous win played such a major role in this season. So many of those players are carrying major baggage around with them for years and this season seemed quite cathartic. You may disagree that Sarah suffered from gender bias this season or during game changers but there's no denying that her 'victory' came with a price. The same applies to quite a large number of this cast.

kaji wrote: »

FROM DANNI'S LIVE


- It was actually Tyson, Parvati, and Danni who were the closest in the first returnee challenge - it was edited to be Rob though.

I noticed something odd about the end of that challenge,They had no footage of rob's face in the "exciting battle" which i thought was so strange.
Its edited to make it exciting so can't trust it to be real anymore.
Its like watching a big budget Action film now and the "reality" is gone.I understand that some bit of editing is required but to change the end of a huge challenge like that is wrong.
I was hoping for Tyson to win Survivor.....maybe he did!:D

Hopefully the teenagers will bring some realness back to the show

Surprised they were so optimistic they were going to have something up and running in time, never felt achievable to me.