Doctor Who Season 10 [ Spoilers ]

SparklersJo · 06-06-2017 10:55pm

Bill is the link? Put her in the Tardis and send her to another planet/time. Link broken.
The statues are the transmitters for the link? Destroy all the statues. Link broken.

Oh, and what about that little test the Doctor put her through at the start? - Great, I have a companion who is ok with using guns, which I've always been strongly against, and she's fairly quick to shoot me after a few minutes of thinking I've betrayed her. Super!

CramCycle · 07-06-2017 7:49am

I thought she shot him because with him working for them, humanity had no hope. Nothing to do with betrayal.

sydthebeat · 07-06-2017 7:55am

CramCycle wrote: »

I thought she shot him because with him working for them, humanity had no hope. Nothing to do with betrayal.

Well it was to do with betrayal.
The doctors betrayal on humanity.

I think you're reading something that wasn't said.

CramCycle · 07-06-2017 9:14am

sydthebeat wrote: »

I think you're reading something that wasn't said.

I thought the post meant he betrayed her, a very personal betrayal. He didn't betray her. He didn't even betray humanity. If anything, she betrayed him and made a deal with the devil.

Good point about the psychic link though, but I presume it was one of those things the Tardis would not allow it, otherwise every story would be very short.

Penn · 07-06-2017 9:47am

It was awful, bar the Missy scenes.

The fake regeneration was a bunch of bullsh*t too. Bill at this point doesn't know about regeneration, which means she also doesn't know what the regeneration process looks like. There was no reason whatsoever for the fakeout, except of course for the audience and to tease it in trailers.

Also, couldn't they have filmed more than 3 seconds of footage with Bill's mother? Every time the camera moved they repeated the same clip of her standing up and reaching out on all the screens. Either way, the whole thing was almost (but not quite) as bad as elf-Tennant vs The Master way back when. They went too big with the story and were left with resolving it in the stupidest and most cringe-worthy way possible.

Normally episodes/stories like that are saved by Capaldi's performance, but even he had so little to do in this one.

It hasn't been a great series so far. It's been okay with some good performances and some good story ideas, and Bill and Nardole are great additions, but it's just mostly falling flat for me.

pixelburp · 07-06-2017 10:10am

Agree about the 'too big' comment, in many ways it felt like a throwback to those RTD epics that put the whole world in peril or invaded. Moffat never really had the same commitment to those cheesy heights Davies managed, or the budget really, so his versiond always come off a bit stale

Das Kitty · 07-06-2017 10:28am

Yeah, that tree parter was pants. Very poorly executed and half-thought-out.

It's annoying because it had the ingredients for a really good story, but they just seemed to feck them all into an oven and cook at 400C.

My prediction:

The whole lot of this series and maybe the last few have been inside a simulation put in place by the Master. Testing out how he/she can beat the Doctor.

The_Valeyard · 10-06-2017 9:04pm

I felt that was kind of weak.

The_Valeyard · 11-06-2017 9:23am

did ye all give up after last week lol

Angron · 11-06-2017 9:38am

To be honest, I was a bit busy yesterday and forgot all about the episode being on last night until 11pm :pac:

pixelburp · 11-06-2017 10:58am

The_Valeyard wrote: »

did ye all give up after last week lol

I usually watch on Sunday; used to be one of the few shows I'd watch 'live' so to speak, but sure aren't we living in a modern age?

Didn't realise this was a Mark Gatiss penned episode so my expectations will be dialled wayyyyyy down ...

ebbsy · 11-06-2017 1:41pm

I thought it was a good episode, again made better by the good actors.

Doctor DooM · 11-06-2017 2:32pm

Fairly standard "plz don't fight different species" Doctor Who episode!

ixoy · 11-06-2017 4:42pm

As soon as they transmitted the call, I had hoped we'd hear from Alpha Centauri - I was not disappointed.

Doctor DooM · 11-06-2017 4:55pm

ixoy wrote: »

As soon as they transmitted the call, I had hoped we'd hear from Alpha Centauri - I was not disappointed.

That was a great nod. I loved the doctors encouraging face, what a dick

ixoy · 11-06-2017 5:11pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

what a dick

That's indeed what most people think of for Alpha Centauri

pixelburp · 11-06-2017 5:19pm

Yeah the Alpha Centauri moment was cute; definitely the passing form of easter egg that's unobtrusive.

Very generic episode otherwise, nothing to get too excited about bar those final 30 seconds. In fact without that ending it could have aired during the period of any of the 2005+ vintage doctors, it was that interchangeable.

pixelburp · 11-06-2017 7:04pm

Wrong thread there I think ixoy; multiple tabs open?

jasonb · 11-06-2017 11:20pm

Yeah, I thought it was ok, a bit generic and predictable. The moment we saw the message at the start, I just knew the Doctor would end up being the one leaving it there, it's a real staple of any time travel story.

I was kinda surprised that the Ice Warriors didn't kill all the humans in about 10 seconds, I couldn't see why the battle was taking so long. I was also surprised that the soldiers had bothered to build a jail on Mars! Bill has definitely come a long way from the first episode as well, I do like her as a character.

Did we find out why the Tardis went back to earth 'on its own', or do we just assume Missy had something to do with it? I presume Missy asking him at the end if he's ok is pointing towards the beginning of the end of Calpaldi's Doctor? Do we know if he's in the Christmas special, or does he only have 3 episodes left? I wonder if him using the device to temporarily restore his eyesight will lead to his regeneration, didn't he say it would have some negative effect on his future self?

Here's a thought, could we somehow see the Doctor regenerate into John Simms?

11-06-2017 11:22pm

Simms Doctor, now that would be a turn around

SparklersJo · 11-06-2017 11:44pm

As someone who is only familiar with New Who (*shields face from expected barrage of stones to be thrown*), can someone explain the Ice Warriors and Alpha Centauri to me? Are the Ice Warriors good guys or bad guys from before? What's the significance of Alpha Centauri?

ixoy · 12-06-2017 12:00am

SparklersJo wrote: »

Are the Ice Warriors good guys or bad guys from before? What's the significance of Alpha Centauri?

Well they featured in the New-Who story "The Cold War", albeit not so heavily armoured.
You can find very detailed info on them here, but they're a little like Klingons in the post-TNG TV Trek - a war-like race, obsessed with honour, and neither good nor bad.

Alpha Centuari is in the stories "The Curse of Peladon" and "The Monster of Peladon" back in the 3rd Doctor era in the '70s. Made (in)famous by its squeaky voice and its suggestive appearance (take a look at the picture here or check out YouTube for some clips).

SparklersJo · 12-06-2017 12:06am

ixoy wrote: »

Well they featured in the New-Who story "The Cold War", albeit not so heavily armoured. ...

Oh yeah, I had forgotten that. So an Ice Warrior was the dude on the submarine who was killing all of Liam Cunningham's crew. I wouldn't have put two and two together there. Thanks for the reminder

Doctor DooM · 12-06-2017 9:34am

ixoy wrote: »

That's indeed what most people think of for Alpha Centauri

I'm getting so old- I was confusing Sontarans and Rutans with Ice Warriors and Alpha Centauri

Greyjoy · 12-06-2017 11:45am

jasonb wrote: »

I was kinda surprised that the Ice Warriors didn't kill all the humans in about 10 seconds, I couldn't see why the battle was taking so long.

That was a big problem I had with the episode as well - the humans posed so little danger to the Ice Warriors that it made the story feel dragged out. Why did the Empress need to wake up her warriors when it felt like she could have just brushed aside the human soldiers herself?

CastorTroy · 12-06-2017 3:40pm

jasonb wrote: »

I wonder if him using the device to temporarily restore his eyesight will lead to his regeneration, didn't he say it would have some negative effect on his future self?

If I remember correctly, that was done in the simulation so doesn't tie into the show any more

jasonb · 12-06-2017 3:41pm

Ooh... Good point CastorTroy!

WomanSkirtFan8 · 13-06-2017 12:27pm

SparklersJo wrote: »

As someone who is only familiar with New Who (*shields face from expected barrage of stones to be thrown*), can someone explain the Ice Warriors and Alpha Centauri to me? Are the Ice Warriors good guys or bad guys from before? What's the significance of Alpha Centauri?

Don't know about Alpha Centuri (Other than all the Star Trek references) but the Ice Warriors go all the way back to the Patrick Troughton (Second Doctor) years around 1967 or so which is also one of those so-called "missing" stories that the BBC wiped around the early 1970s.:)

DirtyBollox · 13-06-2017 2:39pm

Watched this last night, apart from the end when they get rescued it all just seemed like filler. I was sitting there predicting it to my wife the whole way through, she's still unconvinced I hadn't watched it beforehand. Oh well, not long now before the end of the season and we find out whats happening.

pixelburp · 13-06-2017 4:28pm

Well there are only 3 episodes left, so I wonder if Empress of Mars was intentionally left as a filler episode before the climax.

Mind you, it's unknown if episode 10 is itself going to link up with the presumed 2-part finale, although it might be of interest to Classic Series fans that that the story is written by Rona Munro, who wrote the very last story of the Classic Series, 'Survival'.

pixelburp · 14-06-2017 8:34am

RopeDrink wrote: »

Now now, Ghost Light was the final story - they simply aired in a different order (which explains why the ending speech was so blatantly dubbed in for the final clip in Survival). Still a cool thing regardless of the minor details.

Probably just as well the last story was something a bit more standard; given people to this day are still debating what on earth Ghost Light was about, had that been the very last story it would have been quite the whimper to go out on...

RopeDrink wrote: »

EDIT: Regarding the here and now, Rona returning is a cool aspect and all, but I'm not sure why it'd be overly interesting to the classic fans given having an old writer return doesn't necessarily mean there'll be any throwbacks (I wager the most you'd get is a nod in some manner rather than anything too blatant) - aside from the whole irony of "Survival" being a final episode of sorts, old or new.

I dunno, I think it's something worth noting, as there haven't been that many creatives from the Classic series that worked on this new run, if any really (IIRC, a director from the old series worked on a few stories back in the Tenant era). While the Alpha Centauri cameo from the most recent episode showed the actual continuity still pops up here & there, it's nice to see people involved with the historical iteration popping up. Adds a little production continuity if nothing else.

ebbsy · 18-06-2017 11:20am

Next week is going to be a classic.

Angron · 18-06-2017 11:46am

Gonna be weird seeing the lads from Mondas again.

pixelburp · 18-06-2017 12:18pm

Angron wrote: »

Gonna be weird seeing the lads from Mondas again.

Be curious to know if they tweak the costume at all, cos the old design was a bit clunky. The voices were pretty creepy though so hopefully that remains.

That was a better episode than that Martian one, felt a bit better put together and thought out, not in as much of a rush to blast thorough the Dr Who Plot Checklist.

ixoy · 18-06-2017 12:43pm

Be nice if we could spoiler previews for next week's episodes and upcoming story lines..

This week's episode - I liked it. The characters were much more rounded than normal, the dialogue was above average too. It also finally had someone say : "It even does lip sync!"

pixelburp · 18-06-2017 12:55pm

ixoy wrote: »

Be nice if we could spoiler previews for next week's episodes and upcoming story lines..

This week's episode - I liked it. The characters were much more rounded than normal, the dialogue was above average too. It also finally had someone say : "It even does lip sync!"

Yeah that's actually fair enough; I've spoiler-texted my reply & Angron's own comment.

So a mild Mod Request: given we're up to the last two episodes, and what'll probably be a fairly climactic finale, I'd ask people to use best judgement on discussing plot points, surprises, twists and all the rest. If in doubt, spoiler-text it out.

The statute of limitations here can probably run for a week or two after the series ends, and equally I'd ask those not up to speed with the series to use best judgement when reading this thread.

ebbsy · 18-06-2017 2:24pm

Angron wrote: »

Gonna be weird seeing the lads from Mondas again.

Showing your age.....!!!!!

CastorTroy · 18-06-2017 8:12pm

So why are they stuck for eternity guarding the gate? Surely the best option would've been to collapse the entrance so no light got in to open the gate.

At least Bill was lucky enough to encounter the nice Roman soldiers and not the raping and pillaging soldiers.

The_Valeyard · 19-06-2017 9:09am

Whoever keeps putting spoilers in BBC trailers needs to sent to Skaro

Doctor DooM · 19-06-2017 10:08am

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Whoever keeps putting spoilers in BBC trailers needs to sent to Skaro

They seem to be determined to mine every potential little bit of surprise for views all right.

FunLover18 · 19-06-2017 10:53am

There was a big spoiler on the official Facebook page the other day, I was so annoyed.

Edit: actually I misread it and it was about the radio shows.

ixoy · 19-06-2017 11:53am

I always stop it before the trailers. I also unsubscribed from their Facebook page for avoid spoilers.
Still picked up things I didn't want from elsewhere. This show is by far the worst for spoilers. Is it a British thing?

pixelburp · 19-06-2017 12:06pm

ixoy wrote: »

I always stop it before the trailers. I also unsubscribed from their Facebook page for avoid spoilers.
Still picked up things I didn't want from elsewhere. This show is by far the worst for spoilers. Is it a British thing?

Can't speak for other British TV shows, the only other UK TV 'sensations' I can think of would be Broadchurch, Downton Abby and Top Gear, so it's hard to think of a trend. I think Broadchurch gained a bit of social media chatter over spoilers and reveals...

I'd say it's more a marketing decision taken by the BBC, and I suppose playing devil's advocate, we're talking about a mainstay of mainstream TV that's in its 10th season; there's always a risk the show has just become part of the furniture, so perhaps the over-eagerness to share every morsel of surprise could be down to maintaining a constant presence in social media, the zeitgeist or however you want to call it.

Of course the flip-side of that is actual honest-to-goodness surprises would get a lot of traction after the fact; the various reviews, tweets and FB posts would drive plenty of traffic back toward the streaming services. The BBC however feel the greater reward is gained in the build up.

Doctor DooM · 19-06-2017 1:10pm

Are any of you guys fans of Pro Wrestling?

There's an old saying in it: There is no such thing as a good surprise.

If something is good enough to be a good surprise for the viewers, it'll mean extra views/ buys if you promote it, too.

If you're placing immediate reward over long term strategy, it makes more sense to not keep a secret. This is also the reason movie trailers show everything these days, surprises don't sell short term (they do long term when people are all "hey have you not seen Cabin in the Woods? See Cabin in the Woods. No I can't tell you why. JUST SEE CABIN IN THE WOODS!")

19-06-2017 1:14pm

Have you seen "Cabin in the Woods"?

Doctor DooM · 19-06-2017 1:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you seen "Cabin in the Woods"?

I have, go see it. I can't tell you why.

The_Valeyard · 19-06-2017 7:51pm

Great film.

CramCycle · 19-06-2017 11:19pm

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Great film.

The trailers for it made me avoid it for ages, and no one would tell me why it as so good. So I decided to watch so I could definitively say, it is sh1t. For the first 20 minutes I was right, and then, so quickly, I was so wrong.

This said Dr. Who already has a fan base, it does not need this. I would be of the opinion that unless a previous episode tanked, they are going to get the same viewership regardless. Why not reward them so that they go out and say, watch this to those who have slipped away.

Angron · 20-06-2017 2:02am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Are any of you guys fans of Pro Wrestling?

There's an old saying in it: There is no such thing as a good surprise.

If something is good enough to be a good surprise for the viewers, it'll mean extra views/ buys if you promote it, too.

If you're placing immediate reward over long term strategy, it makes more sense to not keep a secret. This is also the reason movie trailers show everything these days, surprises don't sell short term (they do long term when people are all "hey have you not seen Cabin in the Woods? See Cabin in the Woods. No I can't tell you why. JUST SEE CABIN IN THE WOODS!")

I am a fan of pro wrestling, though sometimes I find myself asking why :pac:

I do get what you mean though, you really do see it all the time in WWE.

CastorTroy · 20-06-2017 9:23am

All we need now is to have an announcer come out and introduce the actor playing the new Doctor before he regenerates, then it'll be really like WWE.
Though why have the spoilers in the trailers at the end of the episode showing something that only people who watch the series would get. Since, first, if we're watching the episode, then we obviously want to be watching the episode and, secondly, if the spoiler is in reference to something from a previous episode, then only we would get it anyway. So they're posting spoilers only fans would really get in order to lure in the people who already watch the show?

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Doctor Who Season 10 [ Spoilers ]