All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

Frozen Veg · 16-06-2019 3:43pm

Provincial finals a repeat of this weekends games. Another flaw of the format.

The White Feather · 16-06-2019 3:44pm

_blaaz wrote: »

Where is munster final??

Its at the Gaelic Grounds I think

Brian017 · 16-06-2019 3:45pm

eigrod wrote: »

Is it Laois or Westmeath now for Cork and Dublin?

Yes. Dublin play the winners, Cork play the losers

The White Feather · 16-06-2019 3:45pm

eigrod wrote: »

Is it Laois or Westmeath now for Cork and Dublin?

Cork will play the loser of Laois V Westmeath in a quarter final qualifier.

One_More_Mile · 16-06-2019 3:46pm

Limerick went up to fulfill a fixture today, they will be a different beast in Two weeks

LuckyGent88 · 16-06-2019 3:46pm

No complaints from a Clare point of view. Lost by 13 and 18 points so no excuse really.

Delighted for management and the players that they got a win today. The management took a lot of stick after the last few weeks but they have done great things for Clare hurling and deserved to go out with a victory.

Dalo in next for Clare. Anybody bar that whinge bag midget.

PTH2009 · 16-06-2019 3:47pm

Preliminary Round
Winner of Joe Mcdonagh vs Dublin
Loser of Joe Mcdonagh vs Cork

Munster final- Tipp vs Limerick
Leinster final- Kilkenny vs Wexford

QFs
Munster runner up vs winner of JMC/Dublin
Leinster runner up vs loser of JMC/Cork

threeball · 16-06-2019 3:47pm

The White Feather wrote: »

Cork will play the loser of Laois V Westmeath in a quarter final qualifier.

That entire situation is farcical.

Frozen Veg · 16-06-2019 3:49pm

It should really be the top two from each province play each other in the All Ireland semi finals. Cut out the sh1t.

C__MC · 16-06-2019 3:49pm

It's a farce laois and westmeath are back in for two hidings. Th

Should be Clare v Dublin
Cork v galway

Winners advance.

PTH2009 · 16-06-2019 3:49pm

threeball wrote: »

That entire situation is farcical.

Yeah Galway and Clare win 2 games and are out

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2019 3:49pm

threeball wrote: »

That entire situation is farcical.

It's complete stupidity that the McDonagh teams get in at all.

threeball · 16-06-2019 3:50pm

One_More_Mile wrote: »

Limerick went up to fulfill a fixture today, they will be a different beast in Two weeks

Doubt that. Tipp have their number. When limerick couldn't work it through the middle they were goosed. No plan b. Tipp will go though you or over you. Forwards far better than limerick too and didn't even fire today.

threeball · 16-06-2019 3:52pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah Galway and Clare win 2 games and are out

The GAA come up with the most convoluted competitions you could imagine. An outsider would laugh in your face if you explained it to them.

Vinnie222 · 16-06-2019 3:52pm

threeball wrote: »

Doubt that. Tipp have their number. When limerick couldn't work it through the middle they were goosed. No plan b. Tipp will go though you or over you. Forwards far better than limerick too and didn't even fire today.

Hannon massive loss today , totally different game in 2 weeks time . Injuries will play a big part .

False Prophet · 16-06-2019 3:54pm

C__MC wrote: »

It's a farce laois and westmeath are back in for two hidings. Th

Should be Clare v Dublin
Cork v galway

Winners advance.

Disagree, both laois and westmeath will be at home and gives that level of team something to aim for.
Clare and galway know the rules and cant have any complaints. Letting the teams that come 4th remain in all Ireland would be a farce.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2019 3:55pm

threeball wrote: »

The GAA come up with the most convoluted competitions you could imagine. An outsider would laugh in your face if you explained it to them.

Finish in the top 3 and you're through? That's hardly convoluted.

donnem33 · 16-06-2019 3:57pm

Farcical system where it's possible limerick will lose three games and still be in a quarter final

threeball · 16-06-2019 3:58pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Finish in the top 3 and you're through? That's hardly convoluted.

Bringing in teams from division 2 to the competition after some of the main division one teams have been eliminated isn't ridiculous or convoluted? Tell me one other sport where that would happen.

Grats · 16-06-2019 3:59pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah Galway and Clare win 2 games and are out

And they both lost twice too.

C__MC · 16-06-2019 3:59pm

False Prophet wrote: »

Disagree, both laois and westmeath will be at home and gives that level of team something to aim for.
Clare and galway know the rules and cant have any complaints. Letting the teams that come 4th remain in all Ireland would be a farce.

To get two trimmings, I disagree totally

eigrod · 16-06-2019 3:59pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Finish in the top 3 and you're through? That's hardly convoluted.

I think it’s a very good system. Not perfect, but no system will be perfect where you have 7 to 9 teams at top level and where you are trying to offer the next 3 or 4 an opportunity to join the elite.

Everyone knows what you have to do at the outset to qualify so being salty when knocked out will gain no sympathy from the 8 Counties still involved.

Itssoeasy · 16-06-2019 3:59pm

threeball wrote: »

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah Galway and Clare win 2 games and are out

The GAA come up with the most convoluted competitions you could imagine. An outsider would laugh in your face if you explained it to them.

I can remember when it was rolled out on rte tv during the fixtures show they do, and Ger Canning sounded lost half way through explaining the hurling set up.

threeball · 16-06-2019 4:00pm

False Prophet wrote: »

Disagree, both laois and westmeath will be at home and gives that level of team something to aim for.
Clare and galway know the rules and cant have any complaints. Letting the teams that come 4th remain in all Ireland would be a farce.

I'm not saying Clare or Galway should be in it still but laois and westmeath certainly shouldn't. They do not deserve to enter the competition at such late stage.

RMAOK · 16-06-2019 4:01pm

Grats wrote: »

And they both lost twice too.

Clare lost two alright, but Galway (for what it's worth) only lost against Dublin.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2019 4:01pm

threeball wrote: »

Bringing in teams from division 2 to the competition after some of the main division one teams have been eliminated isn't ridiculous or convoluted? Tell me one other sport where that would happen.

They shouldn't get back in, but 4th shouldn't either. 4 out of 5 teams getting through would be ridiculous.

donnem33 · 16-06-2019 4:01pm

Grats wrote: »

And they both lost twice too.

Galway only lost once

Stacksofwacks · 16-06-2019 4:03pm

threeball wrote: »

I'm not saying Clare or Galway should be in it still but laois and westmeath certainly shouldn't. They do not deserve to enter the competition at such late stage.

What does it matter. They're unlikely to win anyway, the big counties knocked out have had their chances for 2019. If there was an upset to happen, think what a result like that could do for hurling in Laois or Westmeath.

threeball · 16-06-2019 4:03pm

eigrod wrote: »

I think it’s a very good system. Not perfect, but no system will be perfect where you have 7 to 9 teams at top level and where you are trying to offer the next 3 or 4 an opportunity to join the elite.

Everyone knows what you have to do at the outset to qualify so being salty when knocked out will gain no sympathy from the 8 Counties still involved.

One game against top opposition is absolutely no good to them and totally undeserved.

eigrod · 16-06-2019 4:06pm

threeball wrote: »

One game against top opposition is absolutely no good to them and totally undeserved.

It’s an additional game for them. An opportunity to test themselves against one of the top 9. Right idea in my opinion. Otherwise you’re closing the door to emerging Counties forever.

Last Stop · 16-06-2019 4:06pm

Would prefer the combination of the league and provincial round robins into one based on the 2 provincial groups like the rugby pro14 is done. Each team would play each other once (9 rounds of matches). This would remove the need for teams to have a bye in each round making it fairer for everyone and also reduce the amount of repetitive/ “meaningless” matches. The top team in each province would progress to their provincial finals while the top 2 teams overall play off in the league final. The bottom 4 in each group would play off in provincial quarter and semi-finals. Munster and Leinster champions play in the All Ireland final.

Kilkenny have already played Wexford 3 times this year and will play them again, potentially twice if both reach the AI final. Same for Limerick and Tipp.

There’s no denying the new format has brought a buzz to proceedings but that doesn’t mean it’s without fault.

Additionally could you imagine the benefits a team like Carlow (who were arguably unlucky in their games this year) would get from playing 9 top level matches compared to the 4 currently.

threeball · 16-06-2019 4:06pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

They shouldn't get back in, but 4th shouldn't either. 4 out of 5 teams getting through would be ridiculous.

Again when did I say 4th should be still in. Please quote me.

Mac_Lad71 · 16-06-2019 4:09pm

Limerick only looked at half-pace today. They are in a Munster final despite themselves.

Anthony Daly more or less said they would prefer to finish 3rd just as they did last year when he saw their line-up.

It will be interesting to see how they approach the Munster final.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2019 4:10pm

threeball wrote: »

Again when did I say 4th should be still in. Please quote me.

Some have and I'm not going to individually reply to ever post. Live with it.

Stacksofwacks · 16-06-2019 4:14pm

Last Stop wrote: »

Would prefer the combination of the league and provincial round robins into one based on the 2 provincial groups like the rugby pro14 is done. Each team would play each other once (9 rounds of matches). This would remove the need for teams to have a bye in each round making it fairer for everyone and also reduce the amount of repetitive/ “meaningless” matches. The top team in each province would progress to their provincial finals while the top 2 teams overall play off in the league final. The bottom 4 in each group would play off in provincial quarter and semi-finals. Munster and Leinster champions play in the All Ireland final.

Kilkenny have already played Wexford 3 times this year and will play them again, potentially twice if both reach the AI final. Same for Limerick and Tipp.

There’s no denying the new format has brought a buzz to proceedings but that doesn’t mean it’s without fault.

Additionally could you imagine the benefits a team like Carlow (who were arguably unlucky in their games this year) would get from playing 9 top level matches compared to the 4 currently.

I think there is a case made to abolish the league and provincials and have a single 10 team top division and each team to play each other once from march through june with a break in the middle for club games. Top team is crowned league champions. Top 2 through to all ireland semis and 3-6 into AI quarter finals.

brendanwalsh · 16-06-2019 4:14pm

Should the fourth place teams play the Mickey mouse teams from mcdonagh? And then rest of tournament remain as is.

Hard to see how two two loss teams from munster qualified while a one loss team from leinster are out.
Very unfair on galway.

threeball · 16-06-2019 4:16pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Some have and I'm not going to individually reply to ever post. Live with it.

You quoted me and you were wrong so back it up or be man enough to admit it.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2019 4:16pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Should the fourth place teams play the Mickey mouse teams from mcdonagh? And then rest of tournament remain as is.

Hard to see how two two loss teams from munster qualified while a one loss team from leinster are out.
Very unfair on galway.

Doesn't matter how many wins or losses they have. Finish top 3 and go through, don't finish top 3 and don't go through. Everyone knew this before the championship so there's no need for the lemons now.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2019 4:17pm

threeball wrote: »

You quoted me and you were wrong so back it up or be man enough to admit it.

No, I'm not into these tactical boards games you're playing. What I said was right so you'll just need to wind it in or get over it because I'm not one bit worried about what you're thinking.

SophieLockhart · 16-06-2019 4:17pm

Limerick going all out to win the AI by losing 3 matches

threeball · 16-06-2019 4:19pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

No, I'm not into these tactical boards games you're playing. What I said was right so you'll just need to wind it in or get over it because I'm not one bit worried about what you're thinking.

Nor me you. You just can't back up what you said. If you quote someone and call them out on their opinion at least have the balls to admit you're incorrect

eigrod · 16-06-2019 4:20pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Should the fourth place teams play the Mickey mouse teams from mcdonagh? And then rest of tournament remain as is.

Hard to see how two two loss teams from munster qualified while a one loss team from leinster are out.
Very unfair on galway.

Comparing points across the 2 groups is ridiculous. Different teams, different games, different circumstances - same in any sport.

Munster teams face a lot higher quality in playing the 5th placed team than Leinster do. While Waterford are struggling at the moment, they will have been consistently at a higher quality than Carlow/Offaly over the last 20 years.

All 5 Munster teams have reached AI finals in the last 10 years or so, whereas only 2 Leinster teams have. Leinster was a much better competition this year, but remains to be seen if the quality of teams is higher this year.

BloodyBill · 16-06-2019 4:23pm

RMAOK wrote: »

According to the Sunday game, it'll be on in thurles.

Surprised it won't be in pairc ui caoimh

On in Limerick

Bonniedog · 16-06-2019 4:24pm

Chap has a point in fairness. Leinster bottom dog is relegated. Are Waterford in some different universe to Carlow, Offaly, Westmeath. Perhaps.

Play offs with McDonagh teams is pointless. Loser gets to have another hiding and winner has their bubble burst without opportunity to enjoy a genuine achievement.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2019 4:25pm

BloodyBill wrote: »

On in Limerick

Is that one of those arrangements between the teams or is it pre selected before the championship starts?

Mantis Toboggan · 16-06-2019 4:25pm

Ridiculous that the final is on in limerick, surely the team who finishes top and wins 4 out of 4 should at least have home advantage.

puzl · 16-06-2019 4:26pm

Tipp and Limerick have an arrangement so it has to be Limerick given today was in Thurles.

Mac_Lad71 · 16-06-2019 4:27pm

Limerick and Tipp probably have a home and away arrangement for Munster finals.

Mushy · 16-06-2019 4:27pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Ridiculous that the final is on in limerick, surely the team who finishes top and wins 4 out of 4 should at least have home advantage.

I'd have just said a neutral venue. Fair enough wasn't always the case when the Pairc was getting done up, but 3 big grounds, should be able to cycle it around enough.

That, and playing it in Cork would just suit me more

puzl · 16-06-2019 4:28pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Ridiculous that the final is on in limerick, surely the team who finishes top and wins 4 out of 4 should at least have home advantage.

That simply can't be a rule for as long as Clare and Waterford have such tiny stadia.

Tipp, cork and Limerick have all had arrangements since forever and ever. Clare and Waterford will always play whoever in a neutral stadium.

All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

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