Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

Atlantic Dawn · 19-07-2019 9:47pm

Can someone get on the blower and give them a call, see what the craic is...
https://www.inmarsat.com/ships-directory/

The Late Late Show · 19-07-2019 9:48pm

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Honestly that post is a load of sensationalist nonsense, there’s very little difference between how America is run from one administration to the other. It doesn’t just transform on a dime after each election.

True but Bolton is usual American reactionary imperialism on speed. This regime is the Rolls Royce when it comes to bad American foreign policy.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 10:03pm

Faye McAleer wrote: »

Why did they take the Mesdar in the first place?

Iran claiming they never seized it, but in reality they detained it for hours and then allowed it to continue its journey.

Stella oil tanker is still seized and held by Iran.

There reports Iran stopped the LR2 Poseidon also in the gulf of Oman, there no evidence it was taken though.

Limpy · 19-07-2019 10:07pm

1-1 all so.

ArchXStanton · 19-07-2019 10:10pm

Gatling wrote: »

They were offered it back days ago

Publicly offered it back so now we're into piracy or terrorism .

The British should now drain the Iranian oil and sell it off

Like you said earlier in the thread 1-1

Atlantic Dawn · 19-07-2019 10:16pm

The crisis will have to wait until the important matter of getting A$AP Rocky released from jail is resolved...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1152307567634391041

Tasfasdf · 19-07-2019 10:19pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The crisis will have to wait until the important matter of getting A$AP Rocky released from jail is resolved...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1152307567634391041

Doing an Obama lol

cnocbui · 19-07-2019 10:45pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

True but Bolton is usual American reactionary imperialism on speed. This regime is the Rolls Royce when it comes to bad American foreign policy.

Nonsense, it doesn't begin to compare with the Bush regime run by the neocon puppeteers.

Gatling · 19-07-2019 10:54pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The crisis will have to wait until the important matter of getting A$AP Rocky released from jail is resolved...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1152307567634391041

Just shows how bat**** crazy he actually is

BloodBath · 20-07-2019 12:33am

The Late Late Show wrote: »

True but Bolton is usual American reactionary imperialism on speed. This regime is the Rolls Royce when it comes to bad American foreign policy.

The plan for regime change of Iran was laid out in 2001 along with 6 other countries. 6 of the 7 have taken place. Some under Bush, some under Obama and now only Iran is left under Trump. Current presidents matter little when it comes to US foreign policy.

The Late Late Show · 20-07-2019 12:56am

cnocbui wrote: »

Nonsense, it doesn't begin to compare with the Bush regime run by the neocon puppeteers.

Same crowd (John Bolton once again) plus more: Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc. This sequel to that crowd will not 'disappoint' I am sure. Mad for unneeded war is the only thing they are good at.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-07-2019 2:20am

UK government official response.

"We remain deeply concerned about Iran's unacceptable actions which represent a clear challenge to international freedom of navigation. We have advised UK shipping to stay out of the area for an interim period.As the Foreign Secretary has said, our response will be considered and robust and there will be serious consequences if the situation is not resolved.We remain in close contact with our international partners and there will be further meetings over the weekend"

UK shipping should stay clear of the area, is new, and i would think a costly move for many crude oil shipping companies?

Gatling · 20-07-2019 2:38am

US deploying troops ,air defences and fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia to act as a deterent due to credible threat's

The United States is sending forces including fighter aircraft, air defence missiles and likely more than 500 troops to a Saudi Arabia airbase.

Following heightened tensions in Iran, the acting US defence secretary authorised the deployment of additional resources, the Pentagon said.

It said the move would provide an "additional deterrent" in the face of "emergent, credible threats".

Saudi's King Salman approved hosting the US forces to boost regional stability, according to the state news agency.

Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/iran-seizes-british-flagged-oil-tanker-in-strait-of-hormuz-11766745?inApp=true

cnocbui · 20-07-2019 10:41am

I wonder if the Iranians changed their minds about holding the crew hostage for political leverage and stirring, when they found out there were no British crew, but plenty of Russians?

ShauntaMetzel · 20-07-2019 11:44am

Tension Soars after the permission of King Suleman to the USA regarding deploying forces. Iran should also release the UK tanker.

Gatling · 20-07-2019 12:00pm

cnocbui wrote: »

I wonder if the Iranians changed their minds about holding the crew hostage for political leverage and stirring, when they found out there were no British crew, but plenty of Russians?

Even worse the ship is empty as in its carrying no cargo or oil according to reports.

Outlaw Pete · 20-07-2019 12:05pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Same crowd (John Bolton once again) plus more: Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc. This sequel to that crowd will not 'disappoint' I am sure. Mad for unneeded war is the only thing they are good at.

You'd swear ne'er a bomb was dropped from 2008 to 2016 the way you go on, if only that were true.

Limpy · 20-07-2019 12:15pm

No brits no leverage.

The Late Late Show · 20-07-2019 12:48pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You'd swear ne'er a bomb was dropped from 2008 to 2016 the way you go on, if only that were true.

Well aware of that. There has been only 2 relatively peaceful years between 1999 and now. But rather than learning lessons, the current cr@p regime only gets worse and worse. Not one thing positive from this regime yet. Sure, Bush 2, Obama, Clinton, etc. were far from perfect but at least they did some positives as well. Reagan, etc. the same. Bolton regime has YET to give us anything positive. As said, the Bolton regime is the undiluted version of everything bad about America.

cnocbui · 20-07-2019 12:59pm

Trump hasn't let Bolton off the leash yet. Unless he does, what you are bemoaning is entirely theoretical. I hope it stays that way.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-07-2019 2:28pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Trump hasn't let Bolton off the leash yet. Unless he does, what you are bemoaning is entirely theoretical. I hope it stays that way.

It funny it's Trump who stopping a hot war. Of Course i blame him for getting us to this point with tensions. Still before the presidental election it was thought Trump would love war, yet so far he not pessimistic and not willing to go this far and use the military to solve problems.

It was revealed by multiple sources when Iran shot down the drone, trump cabinet supported a strike. Pompeo, Haspel ( head of CIA) Bolton, Vice President Pence said yes to a strike, it was only Trump who changed his mind.

A war will only happen when Trump feels like it, because he willing to ignore his chief advisors and he will make the final decision.

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-07-2019 2:42pm

Limpy wrote: »

No brits no leverage.

They have a British linked tanker, that enough for now. The ship is worth something it not a toy. For the British they still seized a tanker, even there no British crew.

We forgetting here also they supposedly captured an UAE tanker also and that not released yet.

US and Iran are having a limited drone war in the strait.

There no casualties yet, to report, so there no reason to go to war yet. This can change at any time. Tensions are very high, so the risk is there.

Odhinn · 20-07-2019 3:36pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It funny it's Trump who stopping a hot war. Of Course i blame him for getting us to this point with tensions. Still before the presidental election it was thought Trump would love war, yet so far he not pessimistic and not willing to go this far and use the military to solve problems.

It was revealed by multiple sources when Iran shot down the drone, trump cabinet supported a strike. Pompeo, Haspel ( head of CIA) Bolton, Vice President Pence said yes to a strike, it was only Trump who changed his mind.

A war will only happen when Trump feels like it, because he willing to ignore his chief advisors and he will make the final decision.

He doesn't think a war is in his best interests at the moment, but that doesn't mean he won't blunder into one.

Atlantic Dawn · 20-07-2019 4:01pm

Next task on his inbox should be the tanker I would think...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1152577020594917376

The Late Late Show · 20-07-2019 4:14pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Trump hasn't let Bolton off the leash yet. Unless he does, what you are bemoaning is entirely theoretical. I hope it stays that way.

Appointing Bolton was a massive mistake. Bolton always is a regime within a regime. Trump so far has reigned him in and let's hope things stay that way and improve. This is also why I do not support any of this impeachment desires: get rid of Trump, you make the likes of Bolton stronger. I do not trust a Pence presidency at all. Warmongering Gilead would replace showman Trump very rapidly I'd stay if Pence and the April 2018 Bolton regime were 100% in control.

Gatling · 20-07-2019 4:16pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Next task on his inbox should be the tanker I would think...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1152577020594917376

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1152577020594917376?s=20

Maybe he doesn't realise he forgot he wanted a war with Iran .

So far Iran carried out an act of privacy and siezed an empty ship with no British crew to try blackmail the Uk

InTheShadows · 20-07-2019 4:36pm

Gatling wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1152577020594917376?s=20

Maybe he doesn't realise he forgot he wanted a war with Iran .

So far Iran carried out an act of privacy and siezed an empty ship with no British crew to try blackmail the Uk

Where did he say he wanted a war with Iran?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-07-2019 4:52pm

Iran released footage of them taking the British Stella oil tanker.

The reports from yesterday are correct a helicopter and boats were involved. There was armed men on the helicoper and they slid down a rope to board the vessel.

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1152597789362262016

The Late Late Show · 20-07-2019 5:13pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It funny it's Trump who stopping a hot war. Of Course i blame him for getting us to this point with tensions. Still before the presidental election it was thought Trump would love war, yet so far he not pessimistic and not willing to go this far and use the military to solve problems.

It was revealed by multiple sources when Iran shot down the drone, trump cabinet supported a strike. Pompeo, Haspel ( head of CIA) Bolton, Vice President Pence said yes to a strike, it was only Trump who changed his mind.

A war will only happen when Trump feels like it, because he willing to ignore his chief advisors and he will make the final decision.

Yes. This is precisely why I do not support impeachment. Pence is a silent but very dangerous man. He and Pompeo are obsessed with religion. Tie that in with Bolton who is to all intents and purposes a member of the MeK, you have a very dangerous regime. All the dystopian Handmaid's Tale/1984/Mad Max warnings people talking about America descending into could come at least partially true with a Pence lead regime that includes Bolton and Pompeo as well as Tom Cotton, Stephen Miller and Ted Cruz too. Trump is the only thing stopping a warmongering Christist regime of hypocritical religious nutters forming.

Gatling · 20-07-2019 5:24pm

What some posters are convenient forgetting iran called for calm and saught to de-escalate the current situation including reaching out to us of all places ,

Then suddenly decided to carry two acts of privacy .

bunderoon · 20-07-2019 5:25pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Yes. This is precisely why I do not support impeachment. Pence is a silent but very dangerous man. He and Pompeo are obsessed with religion. Tie that in with Bolton who is to all intents and purposes a member of the MeK, you have a very dangerous regime. All the dystopian Handmaid's Tale/1984/Mad Max warnings people talking about America descending into could come at least partially true with a Pence lead regime that includes Bolton and Pompeo as well as Tom Cotton, Stephen Miller and Ted Cruz too. Trump is the only thing stopping a warmongering Christist regime of hypocritical religious nutters forming.

This has been and is the reason for the current hostilities again Iran:
https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/White-House-Trump-and-Netanyahu-discussed-shared-interests-on-combating-Iran-595372

No other reason. PNAC first, quieter under Obama as he was the war president for Afghanistan. Now trump - full steam ahead. His own son-in-law is a dual Israeli-US citizen. Trump ego precedes him, which is why Netanyahu named Trump Heights on stolen land. There are not many dots to join here. Its right in front of our faces who is pulling the strings. Everything else is just a manufactured distraction. Much like the Weapons of Mass Distraction.

archer22 · 20-07-2019 5:31pm

It's a pretty shameful display America and Britain are putting on.

They know if they trigger a war with Iran the result will be a massive spike in oil prices leading to another recession, another flood of refugees heading for Europe and thousands of dead American and British troops...and all for what?...phucking Netanyahu and Israel and the terrorism sponsors in Saudi that's what it's for!.

The American and British people should arrest those traitors that govern them and execute them.

Atlantic Dawn · 20-07-2019 5:45pm

They should have spent less money on the fancy speedboats and more money on the chopper, it's like something straight out of 1970's Afghanistan.

Gatling · 20-07-2019 5:49pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They should have spent less money on the fancy speedboats and more money on the chopper, it's like something straight out of 1970's Afghanistan.

40 +year old mil 8 / mil17 from Russi

The majority or their military equipment and aircraft would be in the 30-40+ year old age bracket .

Jimmy Garlic · 20-07-2019 6:14pm

Gatling wrote: »

40 +year old mil 8 / mil17 from Russi

The majority or their military equipment and aircraft would be in the 30-40+ year old age bracket .

Looks like the US, Israel, their washed up sidekick the UK and cheerleaders for all three are making the same mistake again, underestimating Iran the same way they underestimated Syria. Jeremy Hunt is clucking around like a headless chicken, befuddled and flabbergasted, no idea about what to do next, waiting for Trump to fix it.

Gatling · 20-07-2019 6:17pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Looks like the US, Israel, their washed up sidekick the UK and cheerleaders for all three are making the same mistake again, underestimating Iran

How are they underestimating Iran .

Do you think Iran would survive an actual war

Jimmy Garlic · 20-07-2019 6:33pm

Gatling wrote: »

How are they underestimating Iran .

Do you think Iran would survive an actual war

They never expected Iran to respond in kind, never saw it coming. Myopic neocons, Israeli ultra racists, and washed up British imperialists clutching on to a bygone era still pinning their hopes on the dog eared PNAC plan written up two decades ago when they thought China and Russia would look the other way.

archer22 · 20-07-2019 6:37pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Looks like the US, Israel, their washed up sidekick the UK and cheethe same way they underestimated Syriarleaders for all three are making the same mistake again, underestimating Iran . Jeremy Hunt is clucking around like a headless chicken, befuddled and flabbergasted, no idea about what to do next, waiting for Trump to fix it.

In this case it's more the way they underestimated Vietnam.

Gatling · 20-07-2019 6:37pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They never expected Iran to respond in kind, never saw it coming.

What sizing an empty ship with no British crew?

Again do you see iran winning an actual war yes or no

archer22 · 20-07-2019 6:43pm

If America and Britain can't win in Afghanistan after 17 years...their chances in Iran are less than Zero.

Jimmy Garlic · 20-07-2019 6:48pm

Gatling wrote: »

What sizing an empty ship with no British crew?

Again do you see iran winning an actual war yes or no

The lack of public support for a war with Iran means they have lost it before it has even began.

Gatling · 20-07-2019 6:50pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The lack of public support for a war with Iran means they have lost it before it has even began.

Not what I asked at all .

archer22 · 20-07-2019 6:58pm

I am sure the Chinese will keep Iran well supplied with information from their satellites in the event of a war.
No doubt any technical assistance they may require as well.

Iran is of high importance to China for energy supplies..it's in their interest to make sure Iran holds out.

It may even be an opportunity for China to supply Iran with some of their Carrier killer missiles to tryout.

jackboy · 20-07-2019 7:22pm

archer22 wrote: »

If America and Britain can't win in Afghanistan after 17 years...their chances in Iran are less than Zero.

The US wouldn’t need to invade, just neutralize the bulk of the Iranian military. Reduce it to men and low tech equipment.

Gringo180 · 20-07-2019 7:26pm

jackboy wrote: »

Reduce it to men and low tech equipment.

So basically what the Afghans and Iraqis had and look how that turned out.

Gatling · 20-07-2019 7:30pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

So basically what the Afghans and Iraqis had and look how that turned out.

Again American boots don't have to set foot inside of Iran .

Which means Iran can't hide behind ied and small scale attacks on small military outposts .

This would be modern aircraft Vs not so modern aircraft
,
Large warships Vs small patrol boats

and old helicopters Vs modern helicopters.

Explain how Iran stacks up

Gringo180 · 20-07-2019 7:36pm

Gatling wrote: »

Explain how Iran stacks up

Dead civilians on mainland America.

Lets hope the U.S dont make a grave mistake in attacking the Iranians.

Gatling · 20-07-2019 7:48pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Dead civilians on mainland America.

But what happens if Iran attacks mainland America.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-07-2019 7:48pm

Gatling wrote: »

Again American boots don't have to set foot inside of Iran .

Which means Iran can't hide behind ied and small scale attacks on small military outposts .

This would be modern aircraft Vs not so modern aircraft
,
Large warships Vs small patrol boats

and old helicopters Vs modern helicopters.

Explain how Iran stacks up

They would still have the ability through guerilla warfare to close/hamper greatly the shipping off their coast. How many years will people be willing to pay sky high costs for oil?

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-07-2019 7:49pm

Gatling wrote: »

But what happens if Iran attacks mainland America.

Why would they? Have they ever indicated a desire to attack?

Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

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