Ireland U20 2015 6 nations and junior world cup

The Lost Sheep · 21-07-2014 10:56pm #1

Ireland finished 4th in the 2014 Junior World Cup after a strong world cup
in a year where many key players were often injured which affected the squad in a major way
2014 u20 interpros are likely to be played on these dates:
5/9/14, 12/9/14 and 19/9/14. Havent seen fixtures yet.

2015 u20 6nations fixtures are
6/2/15 Italy v Ireland
13/2/15 Ireland v France
27/2/15 Ireland v England
13/3/15 Wales v Ireland
20/3/15 Scotland v Ireland

The 2015 Junior World Cup takes place in Italy and the groups are below(based upon seedings from the 2014 competition)
England, France, Wales, Japan
south Africa, Australia, Samoa, Italy
new Zealand, Ireland, Argentina, Scotland

From June's 20s world cup squad there is Oisin Heffernan(Prop),
Rory Moloney (Backrow), Josh Murphy (Backrow), Nick McCarthy (Scrumhalf), Ross Byrne (Outhalf), Harrison Brewer (Centre), Gary Ringrose (Centre), Billy Dardis (Full Back), Ciaran Gaffney (Full Back) who are all underage for 2015 competition. Plenty expected from this squad with such a large number who played a year up this year

MichaelsBoy1 · 21-07-2014 11:02pm

Josh Murphy could be at lock based on what I've heard, he started there for the under-19s last April, needs to bulk up. Probably 197cm or so.

A lot of talent at this age group, biggest weakness could be TH prop.

FrannoFan · 21-07-2014 11:32pm

The presence or absence of a tight head prop has a massive bearing of how the 20's go generally. Tadhg furlong and Martin Moore provided a platform in previous years. Anyone know if there is a good tight head about this year? The rock prop was massive physically, hopefully he can scrummage.

MichaelsBoy1 · 21-07-2014 11:45pm

Jeremy Loughman, the Blackrock TH, usually played LH for Leinster and Ireland underage but most expect him to move to TH next year to compete with Oisin Heffernan, he himself a former LH until last season.

Mike O'Donnell seems to be Munster's primary TH, while Connacht have an under-19 who is highly thought of in Conan O'Donnell who may get a look.

In April, Heffernan started at TH and Loughman started at LH for Ireland under-19 in the 1st game. The second game saw O'Donnell start at TH, with Loughman as the bench TH.

The Lost Sheep · 07-08-2014 9:19pm

Munster U20 play Italy U20 in Dooradoyle tomorrow evening
Joe White; Shane McAuliffe, JJ O'Neill, Paul Kiernan, Eoin O'Carroll; Fionn McGibney, Jack Cullen; Liam O'Connor, Luke O'Halloran, Liam McMahon; Glen Stokes, Frank B Ryan (Captain); Johnny Keane, Conor Barry Dave St. Ledger

Replacements: Brendan Quinlan, Seán McNulty, Mike O'Donnell, Patrick Staff, Aaron Hogan, Tobi Adamekin, Dave O'Mahony, Gearoid Lyons, Will Leonard, Ben Murphy, Robbie Deegan

DaveHln09 · 07-08-2014 9:32pm

Dunno who if any of the leinster jwc lads are playing 20s this year.

Weak enough munster side for italy game

The Lost Sheep · 07-08-2014 11:16pm

DaveHln09 wrote: »

Dunno who if any of the leinster jwc lads are playing 20s this year.

Weak enough munster side for italy game

Some may but some not playing gives Leinster and Irish coaches a chance to look at other players who otherwise wouldn't get a chance.

Cant really say its a weak Munster side. Its their first real warm up and its well over 3 weeks to the first interpro so there'll be plenty of looking at different unit make ups etc..

DaveHln09 · 07-08-2014 11:19pm

Missing Stephen Fitzgerald, Greg O'Shea, Tomas Quinlan, Ben Kilkenny and Steve McMahon,5 very talnted players and with O'Donnell, Lyons and McNulty on the bench. Hardly the strongest side.

The Lost Sheep · 07-08-2014 11:22pm

DaveHln09 wrote: »

Missing Stephen Fitzgerald, Greg O'Shea, Tomas Quinlan, Ben Kilkenny and Steve McMahon,5 very talnted players and with O'Donnell, Lyons and McNulty on the bench. Hardly the strongest side.

Well its a month to the interpros you're not going to see full strength sides at this stage and you cant say its a weak side considering they haven't played this year yet so we don't know what they'll be like...

DaveHln09 · 07-08-2014 11:29pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Well its a month to the interpros you're not going to see full strength sides at this stage and you cant say its a weak side considering they haven't played this year yet so we don't know what they'll be like...

Its not a full strength side.. thats all i was saying..

The Lost Sheep · 09-08-2014 10:31am

Munster lost 19-3

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/18861

DaveHln09 · 09-08-2014 11:36am

Not surprising.

ArmchairQB · 11-08-2014 7:28pm

Heard a few of last years Blacrock SCT are heading to Mary's with Peter Smyth. A bit worrying for Irish 20's prospects as hearing coaching team have quit 20's set up, must be selling the dream of senior rugby which I doubt will happen to early especially with early ko in UBL and Inter pros not available till the 3rd game of season. Wonder if it will hurt their prospects? The lads from st. Mary's school not to impressed I am hearing. Will be interesting how that pans out.

the baby bull elephant · 11-08-2014 8:57pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Heard a few of last years Blacrock SCT are heading to Mary's with Peter Smyth. A bit worrying for Irish 20's prospects as hearing coaching team have quit 20's set up, must be selling the dream of senior rugby which I doubt will happen to early especially with early ko in UBL and Inter pros not available till the 3rd game of season. Wonder if it will hurt their prospects? The lads from st. Mary's school not to impressed I am hearing. Will be interesting how that pans out.

I've only heard of two Rock lads and one from Michaels going. All interpros. Lads from Marys are actually somewhat excited to possibly be playing with rather than against these lads.

Quint2010 · 11-08-2014 9:35pm

Is this Mary's school or Mary's rugby club they are moving to?

The Lost Sheep · 11-08-2014 9:47pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Heard a few of last years Blacrock SCT are heading to Mary's with Peter Smyth. A bit worrying for Irish 20's prospects as hearing coaching team have quit 20's set up, must be selling the dream of senior rugby which I doubt will happen to early especially with early ko in UBL and Inter pros not available till the 3rd game of season. Wonder if it will hurt their prospects? The lads from st. Mary's school not to impressed I am hearing. Will be interesting how that pans out.

Interesting. Don't see why it would matter what any from the school think.
Which coaching team have quit 20s?

Quint2010 wrote: »

Is this Mary's school or Mary's rugby club they are moving to?

club.

ArmchairQB · 12-08-2014 2:08pm

Mary's Club.

Heard it's a lot more than two and know the lads in Mary's aren't excited about it. My only wonder was that very few if any will go straight into an AIL Division 1a team, very few do. If they are interpro's they well could do but usually towards the end of the season. Without the back of a good 20's set up it is a strange move in my opinion. Could well make sense to most others. All this is on the back of the 20's coaching team quitting including a big name who will remain nameless

The Lost Sheep · 12-08-2014 2:16pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Mary's Club.

Heard it's a lot more than two and know the lads in Mary's aren't excited about it. My only wonder was that very few if any will go straight into an AIL a team if any very few do. If they are interpro's they well could do but usually towards the end of the season. Without the back of a good 20's set up it is a strange move in my opinion. Could well make sense to most others. All this is on the back of the 20's coaching team quitting including a big name who will remain nameless

Which clubs 20s coaches have quit?
Few will go into a division 1 AIL side straight out of school but in some ways for some players coming out of school would it not be better to play AIL with a division 2 club as an under 19/20 then move to a division 1 club if good enough and play AIL up the grades. Playing at a higher standard

Munster have already played and lost to Italy. Ulster played Malone in a game of 4 20min periods on Saturday and play Italy next Monday. Connacht play Italy tomorrow and the Italians play Leinster Saturday week

stellenbosch · 12-08-2014 11:23pm

Leinster 20S play Exiles tomorrow and Leicester on Sat- both in England

ArmchairQB · 13-08-2014 11:52am

No celebrating the leaving cert result so!!

DonnellysArm · 13-08-2014 1:09pm

FrannoFan wrote: »

The presence or absence of a tight head prop has a massive bearing of how the 20's go generally. Tadhg furlong and Martin Moore provided a platform in previous years. Anyone know if there is a good tight head about this year? The rock prop was massive physically, hopefully he can scrummage.

Apparently Oliver Jager who was the Rock tighthead in 2013 has been taken in by the Crusaders Academy. Are the Kiwis starting to reverse the trend? He might have been a solution for this year.

Board_man · 14-08-2014 4:35pm

Have also heard of a number of this years Leinster 20s going to Mary's RFC for next season. (large blackrock contingent)
Matt gilsenan- Michael's
Nick Timoney- rock
David O'Connor- rock
Jack power- rock
Zac ohagan- rock
Conor Oliver- rock
Greg jones- Andrews
Sean kearns- rock

Board_man · 14-08-2014 4:38pm

Waiting on CAO offers, but have heard of:

Jeremy Loughman
Fergal Cleary
Joe Carberry
Andrew Porter
and several other of last years Senior cup stars..

All to UCD next year if accepted to college- scholarship papers have been signed.

Stainalert · 14-08-2014 4:45pm

Board_man wrote: »

Waiting on CAO offers, but have heard of:

Jeremy Loughman
Fergal Cleary
Joe Carberry
Andrew Porter
and several other of last years Senior cup stars..

All to UCD next year if accepted to college- scholarship papers have been signed.

That's a lot of scholarships - Anyone know how many UCD generally offer?

Board_man · 14-08-2014 4:50pm

Stainalert wrote: »

That's a lot of scholarships - Anyone know how many UCD generally offer?

There's 2 scholorships in UCD. The rugby scholorship and the AD Astra elite scholorship from what I've heard. Up to around 10 rugby scholorships are given each year, and roughly 1-3 rugby players will get an Ad Astra scholorship, which is from the university itself not the rugby club

Stainalert · 14-08-2014 4:55pm

Board_man wrote: »

There's 2 scholorships in UCD. The rugby scholorship and the AD Astra elite scholorship from what I've heard. Up to around 10 rugby scholorships are given each year, and roughly 1-3 rugby players will get an Ad Astra scholorship, which is from the university itself not the rugby club

Would imagine the small print has changed and they are all university scholarships now as rugby scholarships supposedly banned now

DaveHln09 · 14-08-2014 8:52pm

Leinster 20s defeated the exiles 48-10.

stellenbosch · 14-08-2014 8:54pm

DaveHln09 wrote: »

Leinster 20s defeated the exiles 48-10.

Actually 64-10

DaveHln09 · 14-08-2014 9:08pm

stellenbosch wrote: »

Actually 64-10

I was told that then told it was actually 48-10.
Wish the website would just do reports on the games.

stellenbosch · 14-08-2014 9:16pm

DaveHln09 wrote: »

I was told that then told it was actually 48-10.
Wish the website would just do reports on the games.

Spoke to 2 players who started and they both told me 64-10 .

DaveHln09 · 14-08-2014 9:44pm

stellenbosch wrote: »

Spoke to 2 players who started and they both told me 64-10 .

Any idea on the team?

I know a few of the lads in the squad but no idea on a full squad.

Andrew Porter, Jeremy Loughman, Hugh O'Donnell, Michael Courtney, Tim Schmidt, Jack McGrath, Eoghan Murphy, Jack Power, Adam Leavy, Mark Sutton, Conor O'Brien, Tom Brady, Greg Jones, Robbie Vallejo..

TomThumb · 15-08-2014 10:47am

Yes Leinster won 64 - 10. To add to the squad the starting Front row was Erick O Sullivan, Andy Roche, and Jonathan(JP) Phelan at tighthead. Phelan a big powerful man played full match, Looks a good prospect.

DaveHln09 wrote: »

Any idea on the team?

I know a few of the lads in the squad but no idea on a full squad.

Andrew Porter, Jeremy Loughman, Hugh O'Donnell, Michael Courtney, Tim Schmidt, Jack McGrath, Eoghan Murphy, Jack Power, Adam Leavy, Mark Sutton, Conor O'Brien, Tom Brady, Greg Jones, Robbie Vallejo..

Board_man · 16-08-2014 1:38pm

Connacht and Munster under 20s going head to head on Wednesday at 12pm in Annacotty (UL Bohs). Munster then off the Clermont the following Monday to take part in a 4 way tournament with Leicester Tigers academy, Clermont Auvergne Academy and the Georigia national U20 team.

MagicF · 16-08-2014 11:12pm

TomThumb wrote: »

Yes Leinster won 64 - 10..

Does anyone know the result for today's match against Leicester?

The Lost Sheep · 16-08-2014 11:28pm

DaveHln09 wrote: »

Leinster 20s defeated the exiles 48-10.

Big win but Exiles are never as strong as 20s as they are at 18s/19s

Board_man wrote: »

Connacht and Munster under 20s going head to head on Wednesday at 12pm in Annacotty (UL Bohs). Munster then off the Clermont the following Monday to take part in a 4 way tournament with Leicester Tigers academy, Clermont Auvergne Academy and the Georigia national U20 team.

Shame its on in Annacotty and not the University all weather. Pitches in Annacotty are crap. Munster trip to face Leicester et al is just mix of 40 minute games. No full games if its same as last year

MagicF · 18-08-2014 10:08am

I heard Leinster u20s had another big win against Leicester academy on Saturday. They are playing Italy u20s on Saturday 23rd in Ashbourne - don't have a time for that game.

The Lost Sheep · 18-08-2014 10:25am

MagicF wrote: »

I heard Leinster u20s had another big win against Leicester academy on Saturday. They are playing Italy u20s on Saturday 23rd in Ashbourne - don't have a time for that game.

That Italian game is at 2.30
Will be interesting how Leinster get on against that Italian side. Munster lost to them, Connacht beat them and Ulster play Italy today

MagicF · 18-08-2014 11:57am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

That Italian game is at 2.30

Thanks for the info.

specttator · 18-08-2014 11:14pm

MagicF wrote: »

I heard Leinster u20s had another big win against Leicester academy on Saturday. They are playing Italy u20s on Saturday 23rd in Ashbourne - don't have a time for that game.

reckon that match against Leicester is u19

stellenbosch · 22-08-2014 11:49am

Tomorrow, Ashbourne RFC will see the Leinster under 20's face Italian under 20's squad at a 14.30pm kick off. See the full squad announcement below...

Leinster Squad:
POWER, Jack (Blackrock College)
LEAVY, Adam (St. Michael's College)
O'BRIEN, Conor (Mullingar RFC)
CLEARY, Fergal (Clongowes Wood College)
O'DONOGHUE, Cian (Clongowes Wood College)
SUTTON, Mark (Newbridge College)
ROCK, Charlie (Old Belvedere RFC)
TIMONEY, Nick (Blackrock College)
THORNTON, Patrick (Terenure RFC)
MURPHY, Josh (UCD)
JONES, Greg (St. Andrews College)
O'CONNOR, David (Blackrock College)
PHELAN, JP (Newbridge College)
BOLAND, Jack (Trinity College)
PORTER, Andrew (St. Andrews College)
Replacements Bench:
MCKENNA, Jack (Lansdowne FC)
O'SULLIVAN, Eric (Templeogue College)
O'DONNELL, Hugh (Newbridge College)
MCGRATH, Jack (CBC Monkstown)
PIM, Sam (Kilkenny College)
OLIVER, Conor (Blackrock College)
SCHMIDT, Tim (Terenure College)
BRADY, Tristan (Blackrock College)
KEARNS, Sean (Blackrock College)
BREWER, Harrison (Terenure RFC)
NOLAN, James (Gorey RFC)

Interesting squad-Loughman/Carberry/Dwan/O'Hagan/Brennan all carrying slight injuries i hear and not included while Michael Courtney tore ankle ligaments in the game against Leicester Academy last saturday and is out for 2 months. Interesting to see Jack Boland at hooker who played for Munster 19s last year and is studying at Trinity has declared for Leinster.

Byrne/McCarthy/Ringrose/Dardis/Heffernan not playing interpros while interesting to note that Brewer who was also not supposed to be playing interpros is sitting on bench which I guess is for cover only given the injuries.

bilston · 22-08-2014 12:19pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

That Italian game is at 2.30
Will be interesting how Leinster get on against that Italian side. Munster lost to them, Connacht beat them and Ulster play Italy today

Ulster drew 12-12 with them.

bilston · 22-08-2014 12:21pm

stellenbosch wrote: »

Tomorrow, Ashbourne RFC will see the Leinster under 20's face Italian under 20's squad at a 14.30pm kick off. See the full squad announcement below...

Leinster Squad:
POWER, Jack (Blackrock College)
LEAVY, Adam (St. Michael's College)
O'BRIEN, Conor (Mullingar RFC)
CLEARY, Fergal (Clongowes Wood College)
O'DONOGHUE, Cian (Clongowes Wood College)
SUTTON, Mark (Newbridge College)
ROCK, Charlie (Old Belvedere RFC)
TIMONEY, Nick (Blackrock College)
THORNTON, Patrick (Terenure RFC)
MURPHY, Josh (UCD)
JONES, Greg (St. Andrews College)
O'CONNOR, David (Blackrock College)
PHELAN, JP (Newbridge College)
BOLAND, Jack (Trinity College)
PORTER, Andrew (St. Andrews College)
Replacements Bench:
MCKENNA, Jack (Lansdowne FC)
O'SULLIVAN, Eric (Templeogue College)
O'DONNELL, Hugh (Newbridge College)
MCGRATH, Jack (CBC Monkstown)
PIM, Sam (Kilkenny College)
OLIVER, Conor (Blackrock College)
SCHMIDT, Tim (Terenure College)
BRADY, Tristan (Blackrock College)
KEARNS, Sean (Blackrock College)
BREWER, Harrison (Terenure RFC)
NOLAN, James (Gorey RFC)

Interesting squad-Loughman/Carberry/Dwan/O'Hagan/Brennan all carrying slight injuries i hear and not included while Michael Courtney tore ankle ligaments in the game against Leicester Academy last saturday and is out for 2 months. Interesting to see Jack Boland at hooker who played for Munster 19s last year and is studying at Trinity has declared for Leinster.

Byrne/McCarthy/Ringrose/Dardis/Heffernan not playing interpros while interesting to note that Brewer who was also not supposed to be playing interpros is sitting on bench which I guess is for cover only given the injuries.

Is Tim Schmidt son of?

The Lost Sheep · 22-08-2014 1:28pm

stellenbosch wrote: »

Tomorrow, Ashbourne RFC will see the Leinster under 20's face Italian under 20's squad at a 14.30pm kick off. See the full squad announcement below...

Leinster Squad:
POWER, Jack (Blackrock College)
LEAVY, Adam (St. Michael's College)
O'BRIEN, Conor (Mullingar RFC)
CLEARY, Fergal (Clongowes Wood College)
O'DONOGHUE, Cian (Clongowes Wood College)
SUTTON, Mark (Newbridge College)
ROCK, Charlie (Old Belvedere RFC)
TIMONEY, Nick (Blackrock College)
THORNTON, Patrick (Terenure RFC)
MURPHY, Josh (UCD)
JONES, Greg (St. Andrews College)
O'CONNOR, David (Blackrock College)
PHELAN, JP (Newbridge College)
BOLAND, Jack (Trinity College)
PORTER, Andrew (St. Andrews College)
Replacements Bench:
MCKENNA, Jack (Lansdowne FC)
O'SULLIVAN, Eric (Templeogue College)
O'DONNELL, Hugh (Newbridge College)
MCGRATH, Jack (CBC Monkstown)
PIM, Sam (Kilkenny College)
OLIVER, Conor (Blackrock College)
SCHMIDT, Tim (Terenure College)
BRADY, Tristan (Blackrock College)
KEARNS, Sean (Blackrock College)
BREWER, Harrison (Terenure RFC)
NOLAN, James (Gorey RFC)

Interesting squad-Loughman/Carberry/Dwan/O'Hagan/Brennan all carrying slight injuries i hear and not included while Michael Courtney tore ankle ligaments in the game against Leicester Academy last saturday and is out for 2 months. Interesting to see Jack Boland at hooker who played for Munster 19s last year and is studying at Trinity has declared for Leinster.

Byrne/McCarthy/Ringrose/Dardis/Heffernan not playing interpros while interesting to note that Brewer who was also not supposed to be playing interpros is sitting on bench which I guess is for cover only given the injuries.

Good to see plenty from last years irish 20s squad not playing. More chances for others.
Hopefully we'll see clubs that all those just leaving school will be joining soon enough.

bilston wrote: »

Ulster drew 12-12 with them.

Interesting. Leinster should beat the Italians..

bilston wrote: »

Is Tim Schmidt son of?

Yes

FrannoFan · 22-08-2014 10:14pm

Good to see Charlie rock playing, really liked him at 9. More impressive than the michaels 9 who got academy in my opinion. Power at 15 is interesting, was hoping to see him at 13. Not many clubs reps involved,thought we would see a rise in their representation. Jury still out on Dempsey as academy manager-wonder does he have a say in 20's line up.

Hagz · 23-08-2014 4:58pm

Leinster u20s beat Italy u20s 43-10.

EDIT: Wait, I'm not sure who won. The score was 43-10 though.

SillySimon · 23-08-2014 5:01pm

Ulster u20 beat the exiles 78-0.

It will be Leinster vs Ulster. Fancy Ulster to do it this year.

MagicF · 23-08-2014 5:12pm

Hagz wrote: »

Leinster u20s beat Italy u20s 43-10.

EDIT: Wait, I'm not sure who won. The score was 43-10 though.

It was Leinster.

The Lost Sheep · 23-08-2014 5:18pm

FrannoFan wrote: »

Good to see Charlie rock playing, really liked him at 9. More impressive than the michaels 9 who got academy in my opinion. Power at 15 is interesting, was hoping to see him at 13. Not many clubs reps involved,thought we would see a rise in their representation. Jury still out on Dempsey as academy manager-wonder does he have a say in 20's line up.

Disagree on the 9s. Rock is a v good player but not ready for academy yet. May be different at end of season
There isn't huge number of youths involved but the schools were so strong at this age its not a surprise. Would imagine academy coaches would have some role in line up.

SillySimon wrote: »

Ulster u20 beat the exiles 78-0.

It will be Leinster vs Ulster. Fancy Ulster to do it this year.

Wouldn't be so sure it will be Leinster v Ulster.

Will be interesting to see how Munster go against Clermont, Leicester and Georgia in France this week.

SillySimon · 23-08-2014 5:20pm

I am sure, Munster will be fine but don't have as much talent as Leinster or Munster.

Leinster would be heavy favourites if they had there academy lads.

Charlie Rock is a good player but tiny, cant see him making the academy setup.

No obvious clubs players missing, O'Brien is a serious player though.

Hagz · 23-08-2014 7:26pm

Report

The match, which took place in Ashbourne RFC, was the last for the Italian side on their tour of Ireland. In the early exchanges Leinster took a 5-0 lead through a Jack Power try, however, the Italians fought back and were 10-5 up after 14 minutes. This would be their last score of the game.

The Leinster U-20s went into half-time 12-10 up after Jack Boland crossed the whitewash and his try was successfully converted.

Leinster began the second half as they ended the first and went on to score four more tries, with Adam Leavy, Cian O'Donoghue, Josh Murphy and Conor Oliver all putting five points on the scoreboard. Each of their tries were converted by Mark Sutton to leave the Leinster U-20s as comfortable 43-10 winners on the day.

MagicF · 23-08-2014 11:54pm

Conor Oliver did not play. That try was scored by Nick Timoney.

Ireland U20 2015 6 nations and junior world cup

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