Killer Robots

Black Swan · 27-08-2018 7:33am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Military R&D is a bottomless pit.

Center for the Study of the Drone
at Bard College:

The U.S. military’s spending on drones is set to reach a five-year high. The Department of Defense Fiscal Year 2018 budget request contains $6.97 billion for drone-related procurement, research and development, and system-specific construction. The President’s Budget 2018 maintains funding for existing unmanned aircraft at roughly the same level as the previous year and increases funding for research and development. It lays the groundwork for programs that will develop new unmanned ground and maritime drones, as well as the next generation of unmanned aircraft.

Fathom · 27-08-2018 10:28pm

...increases funding for research and development. Universities & MIC.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-08-2018 11:32pm

Fathom wrote: »

...increases funding for research and development. Universities & MIC.

A lot of it is for re--inventing the wheel and siphoning off.

The UK has just announced £92m to plan for a replacement GPS system./URL]

A feasibility study to work out what a UK programme might look like would cost around £100m alone, according to the official.

Capt'n Midnight · 28-08-2018 10:55pm

Black Swan · 29-08-2018 7:56am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

A lot of it is for re--inventing the wheel and siphoning off.

The "Wheel" was invented in lab long, long before. Scale up from lab to manufacturing floor comes years later. Unless there is a major crisis (WW III), then they can launch liberty ships (aka mass produced killer robots) in days after inventories, staffing, training, and tooling. And robots building robots.

Fathom · 29-08-2018 4:44pm

Behind times, becomes times.

Black Swan · 01-09-2018 2:58am

Methinks that there will be a great amount of time between new autonomous weapons systems design and development, and scale up to manufacturing floor, as well as distribution of new weapons systems due to the lag built into the Military Industrial Complex. MIC would have to retool for new systems, which costs, while profits can still be made with existing systems. Profits first, new systems second.

Fathom · 01-09-2018 4:01am

Monthly and annual results. Profits and bonuses. Beyond that...?

Black Swan · 02-09-2018 1:35pm

Inside the United Nations’ effort to regulate autonomous killer robots.

Fathom · 09-09-2018 6:37pm

Elon Musk calls for ban on killer robots before ‘weapons of terror’ are unleashed.

Rubecula · 10-09-2018 11:27pm

Fathom wrote: »

Elon Musk calls for ban on killer robots before ‘weapons of terror’ are unleashed.

I can not take him very seriously anyway to be honest, can you see the likes of China taking any interest in him?

Fathom · 11-09-2018 1:02am

Rubecula wrote: »

I can not take him very seriously anyway to be honest, can you see the likes of China taking any interest in him?

His public expressions lately have been different. Plus the flame thrower sales were odd.

Black Swan · 11-09-2018 3:50pm

Fathom wrote: »

His public expressions lately have been different. Plus the flame thrower sales were odd.

Promises never to make killer robots.

Rubecula · 11-09-2018 5:56pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Promises never to make killer robots.

anyone can convert them all you need to do is make them capable of pulling a trigger.....

Fathom · 12-09-2018 3:17am

Rubecula wrote: »

anyone can convert them all you need to do is make them capable of pulling a trigger.....

Robotics expands. Someday THEY will shake your hand. Pull trigger too?

Black Swan · 12-09-2018 12:49pm

An "anatomically correct" Scarlett Johansson robot. A bit slow, mechanical, and no way ready for a 1st date, but in 10 to 20 years? Will she pack a pistol in her night bag to fend off robbers? Master taekwondo in the time it takes to download programme? Or play the role of Red Sparrow in the next political game?

5 Most Beautiful LifeLike Robots Ever Created.

Soft robotics a rapidly developing field.

Rubecula · 12-09-2018 3:42pm

Black Swan wrote: »

An "anatomically correct" Scarlett Johansson robot. A bit slow, mechanical, and no way ready for a 1st date, but in 10 to 20 years? Will she pack a pistol in her night bag to fend off robbers? Master taekwondo in the time it takes to download programme? Or play the role of Red Sparrow in the next political game?

5 Most Beautiful LifeLike Robots Ever Created.

Soft robotics a rapidly developing field.

I may be alone in this, but there was nothing beautiful about them at all.

Capt'n Midnight · 12-09-2018 11:52pm

Rubecula wrote: »

I may be alone in this, but there was nothing beautiful about them at all.

Uncanny Valley.

Fathom · 13-09-2018 2:24am

Rubecula wrote: »

I may be alone in this, but there was nothing beautiful about them at all.

In a couple decades of R&D?

Black Swan · 13-09-2018 2:47pm

Fathom wrote: »

In a couple decades of R&D?

Will female gender androids be more prolific than male?

Rubecula · 13-09-2018 2:49pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Will female gender androids be more prolific than male?

almost certainly

Black Swan · 13-09-2018 2:50pm

Rubecula wrote: »

almost certainly

Why?

Rubecula · 13-09-2018 2:53pm

gender specific weirdo stuff

Zulu · 13-09-2018 3:05pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Why?

You need to ask?

Black Swan · 13-09-2018 3:05pm

Rubecula wrote: »

gender specific weirdo stuff

Not legions of male killer robots as in Star Wars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yys5iioLUNw

Rubecula · 13-09-2018 3:08pm

they are clones not robots lol
but point taken on that score. sadly I can not equate gender with machinery for some reason no matter what it looks like.

Black Swan · 13-09-2018 3:14pm

Rubecula wrote: »

they are clones not robots lol
but point taken on that score. sadly I can not equate gender with machinery for some reason no matter what it looks like.

Androids are the future methinks, rather than clones. Read a treading article about living forever by transferring all that is stored in the brain to a future AI robot. Scary!

Rubecula · 13-09-2018 3:20pm

I ould have thought cyborgs not androids myself, cyborgs are in reality already here.

Black Swan · 13-09-2018 3:26pm

Rubecula wrote: »

I ould have thought cyborgs not androids myself, cyborgs are in reality already here.

Perhaps. Then again, a shiny new soft robotics body with AI is new, unlike the ageing parts that we humans all encounter, even if having some of those parts replaced overtime.

Rubecula · 13-09-2018 3:30pm

constant replacements and upgrades may lead to a robotic person you mean?

Black Swan · 13-09-2018 3:35pm

Rubecula wrote: »

constant replacements and upgrades may lead to a robotic person you mean?

Indeed. So why not start off with everything shiny new? Soft robotics is advancing quickly, and someday it may produce Blade Runner androids that cannot be easily differentiated from their human counterparts. Oops, sorry for the pun.

Rubecula · 13-09-2018 3:41pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Indeed. So why not start off with everything shiny new? Soft robotics is advancing quickly, and someday it may produce Blade Runner androids that cannot be easily differentiated from their human counterparts. Oops, sorry for the pun.

I see cyborgs as evolution and androids as revolution I think. at least it seems that I do.

Fourier · 13-09-2018 3:42pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Androids are the future methinks, rather than clones. Read a treading article about living forever by transferring all that is stored in the brain to a future AI robot. Scary!

That's only a sci-fi idea currently though, there's no indications from real science that it's remotely possible. Non-destructive scanning of neural tissue seems incredibly difficult, I'm not even aware of it being theoretical viable for any substance outside simple polymers.

Black Swan · 13-09-2018 4:40pm

Fourier wrote: »

That's only a sci-fi idea currently though, there's no indications from real science that it's remotely possible. Non-destructive scanning of neural tissue seems incredibly difficult, I'm not even aware of it being theoretical viable for any substance outside simple polymers.

Universities about the world are funded and advancing AI and soft robotics at an impressive pace. You might want to review some of the following scholarly sources?

Fumiya Iidaa and Cecilia Laschi (2011), Soft Robotics: Challenges and Perspectives, Procedia Computer Science, Volume 7, 2011, Pages 99-102.
Rolf Pfeifer, Rolf Pfeifer, and Fumiya Iidaa (2012), The challenges ahead for bio-inspired 'soft' robotics, Communications of the ACM, Volume 55 Issue 11, Pages 76-87.
Carmel Majidi (2014), Soft Robotics: A Perspective—Current Trends and Prospects for the Future, Soft Robotics VOL. 1, NO. 1.
Cecilia Laschi and Matteo Cianchetti (2014), Soft robotics: new perspectives for robot bodyware and control, Frontiers in Bioengineering and Biotechnology, published online.

And a very readable magazine:

Matt Simon, The WIRED Guide to Robots: Everything you wanted to know about soft, hard, and nonmurderous automatons, WIRED 17 May 2018.

Fourier · 13-09-2018 4:54pm

When you say "all that is stored in the brain", do you mean the brain itself or the information?

Black Swan · 13-09-2018 5:20pm

Deep reinforcement learning of declarative and procedural knowledge as a path to artificial general intelligence in terms of how it mirrors human learning by exploring and receiving feedback from environment. Today's baby steps. Expanding not linearly, rather geometrically, with rapid and astounding developments occurring in the next couple decades integrating AGI with soft robotics and human interaction.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-09-2018 7:49pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Read a treading article about living forever by transferring all that is stored in the brain to a future AI robot. Scary!

Like the argument for teleportation. What you get is a copy of the original. Something that behaves like you and has your memories. But you die.

Also
The European Parliament has passed a resolution calling for an international ban on so-called killer robots.

Black Swan · 14-09-2018 4:00pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Also
The European Parliament has passed a resolution calling for an international ban on so-called killer robots.

Killer robots prevail.

But some countries - including Israel, Russia, South Korea and the US - opposed new measures at the August meeting, saying that they wanted to explore potential "advantages" from autonomous weapons systems.

Fourier · 14-09-2018 4:05pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Deep reinforcement learning of declarative and procedural knowledge as a path to artificial general intelligence in terms of how it mirrors human learning by exploring and receiving feedback from environment. Today's baby steps. Expanding not linearly, rather geometrically, with rapid and astounding developments occurring in the next couple decades integrating AGI with soft robotics and human interaction.

Sorry I still don't understand. I know a bit about soft robotics, but I don't know of anything like the above that would allow transference. It wasn't clear from the papers above either.

Black Swan · 14-09-2018 5:46pm

Fourier wrote: »

Sorry I still don't understand. I know a bit about soft robotics, but I don't know of anything like the above that would allow transference. It wasn't clear from the papers above either.

We may be addressing 2 or more things, and treating them as one? The treading article mentioned above (brain living forever) was a different topic from other posts that spoke to the rapid development of human-like robots (beautiful, etc.). Sorry for the confusion.

Fathom · 15-09-2018 2:01am

Why the U.S. Is Backing Killer Robots.

“Weapons that do what commanders and operators intend can effectuate their intentions to conduct operations in compliance with the law of war and to minimize harm to civilians.”

Black Swan · 15-09-2018 4:30am

Fathom wrote: »

Why the U.S. Is Backing Killer Robots.

Deep learning GAI someday approximates Skynet. Notes human imperfections. Removes the social virus Matrix style. Not to worry. Just a Sci Fi extension.

Fathom · 15-09-2018 5:17pm

Black Swan wrote: »

Deep learning GAI someday approximates Skynet. Notes human imperfections. Removes the social virus Matrix style. Not to worry. Just a Sci Fi extension.

Future algorithms rule.

Rubecula · 16-09-2018 1:14am

algorithms are just numbers like an age really.

Fathom · 22-09-2018 6:33pm

Rubecula wrote: »

algorithms are just numbers like an age really.

Algorithms that interact, compete, and learn at quick pace may be something else?

Capt'n Midnight · 22-09-2018 9:57pm

Humans are still way better at parallel processing.

Fathom · 23-09-2018 2:03am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Humans are still way better at parallel processing.

Will that always be?

Black Swan · 23-09-2018 4:32am

Fathom wrote: »

Will that always be?

Change is a constant.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-09-2018 2:19pm

Fathom wrote: »

Will that always be?

For the foreseeable future.

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GO is a very simple game

Starting with black, you take turns placing a stone on a vacant grid intersection.

Any stone adjacent to a vacant intersection is alive.
Any stone of the same colour adjacent to an alive one is also alive.

Dead stones are taken off the board.

Whoever controls most of the board wins.

That's pretty much it.

There are other rules to stop the game going on too long*

* like the one where the game is over when both players pass, but
you could dispense with them by playing a game out fully, which
is what you do anyway if there is any argument about who controls
most of the board.

These other rules vary by country, China, Japan, Korea and Tibet all have
variants of GO with slightly different rules and counting schemes, and there
are Western variations too. But overall it doesn't change the score by much.
It's about the same as the handicap given to the player who starts second,
which itself has changed over the years. Or the rule that deducts two for
every living group.

But in general all the extra rules have ways of saying that you can't repeat
the previous position.
And you can decide who won by counting the stones on the board
OR by counting the spaces enclosed by the stones on the board less the dead
ones removed earlier.

Capt'n Midnight · 25-09-2018 1:08am

Killer Robots

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