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Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    A lot can change in that time though, like Kilkenny beating Limerick in 2014 and being comfortably bet in the u21 final in 2017.

    Not looking for a rise just first example that came to mind.

    That's why I said, for what it's worth!


  • Registered Users Posts: 20 blackspot91


    Good post from Limerick poster on hoganstand..

    2013 David Attenborough warned about the damage that cats were doing to British wildlife. Around the same time, Marty Morrissey or any other clued in hurling media mogul could have given the same warning in Ireland. The Kilkenny cats were in the middle of an awesome ten year period of hurling domination in Ireland. While 2013 was not their year it was a year that captured perfectly the Limerick mantra of that era; 'nearly'. Limerick won the Munster Championship and excitement rose to fever pitch before being brought to earth with a Banner Bang. All Ireland Semi final defeat hurt, hurt really badly if we are being honest. The hurt was so bad that the only person who spoke in our car going home was a young lad bawling for a feed. 'Next year' was a phrase we never wanted to hear again. Sadly next year was more of the same.

    The 2014 All-Ireland semi final between Kilkenny and Limerick can be summed up in one word; 'epic'. TJ Ryan and Donal O'Grady had been joint Managers of the side before the Cork man left due to classic Limerick Achilles heel activities. TJ's men played with passion and inspiration in the rain. After half time the heavens opened sending child and parent alike to the upper tiers. Alas as people watched from the Gods an Eoin Larkin goal ended Limerick dreams. Despite playing Kilkenny off the park for a ten minute period where Limerick outscored their opponents by five points to nil, we left empty handed. Seamus Hickey's post-match interview mirrored the hurt we all felt. He was proud to win man of the match but ultimately he wanted the win. We all did. That day I left Croker wondering just what Limerick had to do in order to win the Liam MacCarthy Cup.

    NHL

    The Black & Amber jerseys have always made Limerick people more alert. Limerick have never feared Kilkenny, there has been no need to. However when facing them in League and Championship Kilkenny have always shown Limerick teams respect. They know they'll get a physical battle. They know Limerick will throw the kitchen sink at them. They just found ways to get past us. My earliest memories of them go back to the 1983 National Hurling League Final. Limerick had a fine team and having been in the All-Ireland final in 1980 & semifinal in 1981 we fancied our chances of beating them in the League decider in Thurles. Crowds flocked as it was a novelty to play them in a final. There was blood and thunder before they ultimately ran out 2-14 to 2-12 winners. Kilkenny won the Leinster Championship and Limerick lost to Cork in Munster. Kilkenny beat Cork in the all-Ireland final. No disgrace losing to the Cats, but we have always wanted more from these meetings.

    One game that stands out between the sides was a league game in Nowlan Park in October 1984. The great Tommy Quaid (RIP) had made a couple of bad errors in the Championship against Cork a few months earlier. He played the majority of the National Hurling League games outfield and he scored 1-3 against Kilkenny in a 5-8 to 1-18 win. Pat McCarthy who would later blitz Clare in the League Final scored a hat trick of goals. Leaving Nowlan Park that day was sweet. Any day you beat Kilkenny in hurling is sweet. One thing that stood out though was the frightening ferocity of the Kilkenny men. Dick O'Hara sported a beard and was like a fearsome looking Viking as he marked Ollie O'Connor. That Kilkenny team were tough men, they could take punishment on the field of play and God bless anyone who tried it on with them.

    Over the years the meetings were run of the mill in the National Hurling League. There was a league play off game in 1997 where Limerick demolished Kilkenny en route to winning the NHL title. There was an NHL semi final in Limerick in 2002 which was hot tempered and frantic. Kilkenny won 2-14 to 0-15 but as often happened they admired how Limerick stood up to them. Then came the NHL final of 2006. With Cork having won back to back All-Irelands in 2004/2005 Kilkenny were developing a ruthless new game plan to get goals. Both sides hit fourteen scores apiece but Kilkenny's finishing power was the difference with Kilkenny winning 3-11 to 0-14 in Thurles. It served them well, they won the All-Ireland final four months later.

    Championship

    Kilkenny & Limerick had met in the 1973 & 1974 All-Ireland finals. We of course won the first with Ritchie Bennis producing hurling from another galaxy to elevate those beautiful Green & White jerseys towards heaven itself. Going for back to back glory we were torn apart in the 74 decider. Amazingly the sides didn't meet again until 2005 mainly due to the muddy waters of Munster but Limerick again hopped off the Cats & gave them something to think about. Unfortunately I couldn't attend this game due to a holiday in Cyprus. Sitting in a bar bedecked in Green & White, one our crew got to his feet shouting 'easy easy easy' as TJ Ryan pointed the opening free of the game. When Kilkenny went in front 0-8 to 0-1 a lot of Kilkenny holiday makers were looking our way singgering. Limerick recovered somewhat, eventually going down by 0-18 to 0-13. Kilkenny went out at the semi final stage so perhaps neither side was at their best.

    In 2007 the sides met in the final. Limerick had a most wonderful year including the trilogy of games against Tipperary and a Munster Final appearance. There is a sense that we 'caught' Waterford in the All Ireland semi, but in truth we turned a 9 point Munster Final defeat into a 5-11 to 2-15 win against the Deise. The experience of the final was somewhat surreal. The Sopranos TV show had ended in June that year and Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' had been rocking the charts. It became somewhat of an anthem for our lads approaching the final. What nobody saw coming was how ruthlessly the Cats would start. 2-3 to 0-0 in an instant. Seamus Hickey getting roughed up by Henry Shefflin before Brian Geary was booked for sticking up for his team mate. After the game Limerick Manager Ritchie Bennis said 'Kilkenny have a ferocity that we aspire to'. Maybe the problem was that we didn't start believin. Either way it was a pleasure to see Limerick in an All-Ireland final. Coppers was too packed that night though - every round had to be a treble when drinking with big bullocks of men.

    The 2012 quarter final summed up a lot about battles between both counties. In a frenzied second half period Kilkenny opened Limerick's defence like a freshly caught kipper on a trawler with two deadly goals. Tom Condon had stuck to Henry Shefflin like glue in the first half and still the Kilkenny great scored one of the greatest goals seen in hurling. Limerick man Wayne McNamara had absolutely buckled Richie Power with a shoulder in the second half. Limerick's physicality was never questionable against Kilkenny. But they brought on TJ Reid for Power and Reid was instrumental in our demise. A substitute so good you wouldn't see him on a PlayStation.

    The intensity of the 2014 semi final could never be matched so when the sides met in the qualifiers in 2017 Limerick were hoping to shock the home side but ultimately failed. That game however gave us hope that we were getting closer. When we met Kilkenny in the 2018 quarter final we seemed by far the better side but you can't write them off. A Richie Hogan goal late on made it seem like same old story but Tom Morrisey's point showed the new composure in the side. In the past a Limerick man would have lashed it upfield, but he had the confidence to slow down, take a challenge and put the ball over the bar. A Late Shane Dowling free sealed it. Limerick went on to be champions. You cannot beat Kilkenny and then fail to win the All-Ireland. Beat the best, become the best.

    Aftermath

    The trip to Nowlan Park last February was a memorable day. Limerick produced a performance of sheer brilliance before Kilkenny made the score respectable. You'd be a fool to treat that game as a litmus test for Saturday evening. Kilkenny are the kingpins of the game with more All-Ireland titles than anyone else. While Limerick are favourites that tag never sits well with Limerick teams. We are at our best when written off and we produce a performance. However since winning Liam MacCarthy last August we have powered on to NHL & Munster Championship success. Kilkenny lost the Leinster final but were impressive against Cork. That said, Cork have been conceding massive scores all season even conceding 1-19 when impressively beating Limerick. People say Limerick should win. Our record in All Ireland semifinals since & including 1980 is P10 W5 D1 L4. Interestingly in the last two championship meetings and in the NHL game five months ago, Kilkenny haven't scored a goal. If they rattle the net early on Saturday we could be in for a rollercoaster.

    Cody

    Sincere hat tip to this man. What he has achieved in hurling is unparalleled. This is his twenty first season as Manager and he has weighed down Kilkenny's trophy cabinet like a fat man sitting on a see saw. His body language, baseball cap and customary post-match handshake with the opposition Manager (despite having words with him through games) will be missed when he leaves his post. It is four years since his team won the big one, he is doing all in his power to put Kilkenny back on top of the pile. A lesser man might be happy with his lot and let his CV do the talking. You always get the feeling that Cody sees his CV as dependent on the next game. Legend.

    Kiely

    What this man has done for Limerick hurling is unreal. Picture a Skoda Superb with dirty diesel becoming a Ferrari. No matter what happens this year he and his Management team have given us something to be immensely proud of. No matter what happens this year we will have a team to compete in 2020.

    Verdict

    Don't bet on this one. Save your money for the match and enjoy a horse load of Heineken and Chips.

    Luimneach Abú


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭kilkennyboy


    As it drawing closer confidence is beginning to lift.
    Things that are different from last year are starting to tip me in our direction.
    The run into this has been a big contrast to last year with 3 games in 3 weeks .
    We seem to be improving our use of the ball .and getting settled most could name 13 starters for Saturday.
    We now have a bench I think he will hold wally and an go with Browne midfield apparently his gps was of the charts v cork 12k in 55mins.
    Mullen is some find and he is working so well with his clubmates.
    Getting Hogan in beside Colin with his intelligence is a huge plus.
    Cody will love this big target to aim for, and sure not a hope .anyone that has ever trained a team love aiming upwards. He dose simifinals well.
    15/18
    Limerick are a serious outfit but haven't hit the highs of last year .gave their best performance in the Munster final put I'm putting a ? On that .
    After early promise tip seem to be searching for answers and wexford could end their summer.
    It takes a serious team to go back to back .they could be that but Munster champions haven't faired well recently handling the break can be tricky. Hearing talk of ice cream machines at training last week for the team wouldn't be the Kilkenny way but maybe it will catch on.
    We like it fairly hot getting ready for big games.
    Just think the shock( to some )is on the cards .this could all sound
    Foolish come Saturday night .still gone with €50 Kilkenny-3pts @5/1


  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭grimbergen


    Wouldn't be buying into the hype around lynch .He has 2pts scored in the 4 matches he has played in Munster. Good talker probably secured him hurler of the year last year .I would have given it to hannon or hayes

    This has to be a wind-up? He's a magician, kind of player like DJ that we'll be telling the grandkids we saw live.


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭kilkennyboy


    grimbergen wrote: »
    This has to be a wind-up? He's a magician, kind of player like DJ that we'll be telling the grandkids we saw live.
    Comparing him to dj wiĺl get you a early bed in a nursing home..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭v3ttel


    Wouldn't be buying into the hype around lynch .He has 2pts scored in the 4 matches he has played in Munster. Good talker probably secured him hurler of the year last year .I would have given it to hannon or hayes

    It's post like this that give the genuine hurling supporters in Kilkenny a bad name.

    Measuring Lynch solely by his scores is totally ridiculous. He's a class act, unbelievable work rate, fantastic in the tackle, great reader of the game, moves into space well, and sets up a lot of scores, and makes space for others with good movement. He's now a top class player. No doubt you'd be raving about him if he was wearing our own jersey. Saying that he would hurler of the year because he is a "good talker" is laughable. I struggle to see how anyone could honestly think that, unless they were on the wind up.
    We now have a bench I think he will hold wally and an go with Browne midfield apparently his gps was of the charts v cork 12k in 55mins.

    You dismiss Cian Lynch but happily crow about Browne covering 12K in 55 mins vs Cork? Sure isn't the only measure of how well a midfielder plays is how much he scores? Just the 1 point for Conor Browne, poor game surely.

    I hope you can see the flaws in your own logic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    So after the Cork game I was of the view and it appears to be the consensus among all the serious hurling men I know, "If Limerick play to their full potential they will beat us and beat us well, no matter how well we play". However by Monday last week I was starting to form a new hypothesis which is more optimistic. It's all dependent on picking the right team and more importantly setting up and playing the right way. I think if we do both those things we will beat Limerick. I would expect most of the team v Cork to play again the only changes I would like to see would be Wally, Conor Delaney and James Maher but who would you drop to bring them in? Anyway I'm not going to get too worried about the selection as we're at nothing second guessing Cody this year.

    The way I think we can beat Limerick is to mimic how they play and how we used to play when we were in our pomp 5+ years ago. What that entails is playing more or less how we finished against Cork with 5 preferably 6 of our backs inside our own 45 at all times, our midfield and half forwards dropping back to pick up their half forwards and midfield as they try to break through or take long range shots. When we have the ball we can break forward and put good ball into our (hopefully isolated) forwards but I'm sure Limerick will keep it tight again. So I think it will come down to the quality of forwards on show and I think Cork and Tipp (round robin game I know) showed that, with top class forwards there are scores to be got against Limerick. I think our forwards are a different level to what Limerick have. We have TJ, Richie Hogan, Mullen and Leahy which are all really skilfull and the only Limerick player I think that matches them for this is Lynch who can make a sliotar sing and regularly does. I think Limerick have some very good forwards but not of the same quality as the ones I've named above, their forwards rely on strength, speed and a great system of play to get them the space which they exploit and take advantage of brilliantly. If we don't close down that space and congest our side of the field when they have the ball, then I think they will cut us open at will and it could be a very long evening on Saturday. I'm not trying to demean Limerick or their achievements by what I've said about their forwards, I just don't think their as good as ours (but then again I think that about most of our players). I think Colin and Wally are similar to their lads and if we played with a similar system for a while I think our lads would have great success.

    So while I think we've improved from last years team that played Limerick, we will also be fresh having had a break before this encounter, Limerick have moved up a serious gear too. Some are putting Limericks improvement down to S&C but I genuinely don't think their any fitter or stronger (it's probably not possible as amateurs) than last year. Where I see the major difference in them is in the top 6 inches. Their even more composed than they were last year and are now playing with a real confidence and swagger which comes with being champions and winners. That confidence and swagger is really hard to counteract but it's something we need to strip them off if we're to win. I think the fact that they've not had a game since the Munster final will be a big opportunity for us to dent their confidence. We at our best were often a bit rusty in the first 15 mins of semi finals and it was normally the second half that we did the real damage to them. I think we need to tear into them from the get go, use the fact that we should be just a fraction sharper and we need to take a every early score, to just make them think and question their confidence a little. We need to get in their faces, harass and chase them incessantly. However we need to keep that up for the full 75mins.

    As a knowledgable Tipp man pointed out to be yesterday theirs a big difference in Munster and Leinster hurling in terms of the physicality and intensity that we will bring. Limerick will be able for it but not used to it. We will pose a completely different challenge to them than they faced in Munster. They won't be waltzing through our defence (hopefully)like they did in Munster. We all know their hot favourites but how will they deal with that, if they find themselves behind? Last year they were carefree and playing with abandon but I just wonder how will they react if their seriously challenged now that their carrying the expectation of champions and favourites? It might not faze them at all but it's up to us, to pose those questions of them. I'm not even going to reference the league match as I don't think it will have any bearing on the day there were so many players missing from both sides.

    So with all that I'm going against the percieved wisdom of the "hurling cognisantee". If we set up the right way, play the right system and go in with a ravenous hunger, I think we'll win by about 4 points. If we fail to play in the right way I think they will beat us and beat us handy enough in the end. I think this game is in our hands, if we want it, it's there for us.
    Will it be easy?
    Will it f***! but it can be done and we have the players to do it. I'm looking forward to it now and hopefully we don't go back to silly caveman hurling cause that will only lead to ruin.

    Cautiously confident, I think we'll know more after we see the team on Friday and I think the first 5 to 10 mins of the match will tell a huge amount.

    An extra bit of info, Buckleys knee is reacting well and is not an issue. The issue I would suggest is his lack of hurling since last October. Whether he's picked or not is another thing but the knee is not hindering him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    As it drawing closer confidence is beginning to lift.
    Things that are different from last year are starting to tip me in our direction.
    The run into this has been a big contrast to last year with 3 games in 3 weeks .
    We seem to be improving our use of the ball .and getting settled most could name 13 starters for Saturday.
    We now have a bench I think he will hold wally and an go with Browne midfield apparently his gps was of the charts v cork 12k in 55mins.
    Mullen is some find and he is working so well with his clubmates.
    Getting Hogan in beside Colin with his intelligence is a huge plus.
    Cody will love this big target to aim for, and sure not a hope .anyone that has ever trained a team love aiming upwards. He dose simifinals well.
    15/18
    Limerick are a serious outfit but haven't hit the highs of last year .gave their best performance in the Munster final put I'm putting a ? On that .
    After early promise tip seem to be searching for answers and wexford could end their summer.
    It takes a serious team to go back to back .they could be that but Munster champions haven't faired well recently handling the break can be tricky. Hearing talk of ice cream machines at training last week for the team wouldn't be the Kilkenny way but maybe it will catch on.
    We like it fairly hot getting ready for big games.
    Just think the shock( to some )is on the cards .this could all sound
    Foolish come Saturday night .still gone with €50 Kilkenny-3pts @5/1

    Ice Cream Van's ,not machines..haha. They open the main gate and let the 'Mr Whippy' van in onto the pitch in the stadium.He usually does a lap and keeps the music on and everything while hes there. That's Limerick for you..Kinnerk doesn't let Dowling have a flake cos his diet is specialised.


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    So after the Cork game I was of the view and it appears to be the consensus among all the serious hurling men I know, "If Limerick play to their full potential they will beat us and beat us well, no matter how well we play". However by Monday last week I was starting to form a new hypothesis which is more optimistic. It's all dependent on picking the right team and more importantly setting up and playing the right way. I think if we do both those things we will beat Limerick. I would expect most of the team v Cork to play again the only changes I would like to see would be Wally, Conor Delaney and James Maher but who would you drop to bring them in? Anyway I'm not going to get too worried about the selection as we're at nothing second guessing Cody this year.

    The way I think we can beat Limerick is to mimic how they play and how we used to play when we were in our pomp 5+ years ago. What that entails is playing more or less how we finished against Cork with 5 preferably 6 of our backs inside our own 45 at all times, our midfield and half forwards dropping back to pick up their half forwards and midfield as they try to break through or take long range shots. When we have the ball we can break forward and put good ball into our (hopefully isolated) forwards but I'm sure Limerick will keep it tight again. So I think it will come down to the quality of forwards on show and I think Cork and Tipp (round robin game I know) showed that, with top class forwards there are scores to be got against Limerick. I think our forwards are a different level to what Limerick have. We have TJ, Richie Hogan, Mullen and Leahy which are all really skilfull and the only Limerick player I think that matches them for this is Lynch who can make a sliotar sing and regularly does. I think Limerick have some very good forwards but not of the same quality as the ones I've named above, their forwards rely on strength, speed and a great system of play to get them the space which they exploit and take advantage of brilliantly. If we don't close down that space and congest our side of the field when they have the ball, then I think they will cut us open at will and it could be a very long evening on Saturday. I'm not trying to demean Limerick or their achievements by what I've said about their forwards, I just don't think their as good as ours (but then again I think that about most of our players). I think Colin and Wally are similar to their lads and if we played with a similar system for a while I think our lads would have great success.

    So while I think we've improved from last years team that played Limerick, we will also be fresh having had a break before this encounter, Limerick have moved up a serious gear too. Some are putting Limericks improvement down to S&C but I genuinely don't think their any fitter or stronger (it's probably not possible as amateurs) than last year. Where I see the major difference in them is in the top 6 inches. Their even more composed than they were last year and are now playing with a real confidence and swagger which comes with being champions and winners. That confidence and swagger is really hard to counteract but it's something we need to strip them off if we're to win. I think the fact that they've not had a game since the Munster final will be a big opportunity for us to dent their confidence. We at our best were often a bit rusty in the first 15 mins of semi finals and it was normally the second half that we did the real damage to them. I think we need to tear into them from the get go, use the fact that we should be just a fraction sharper and we need to take a every early score, to just make them think and question their confidence a little. We need to get in their faces, harass and chase them incessantly. However we need to keep that up for the full 75mins.

    As a knowledgable Tipp man pointed out to be yesterday theirs a big difference in Munster and Leinster hurling in terms of the physicality and intensity that we will bring. Limerick will be able for it but not used to it. We will pose a completely different challenge to them than they faced in Munster. They won't be waltzing through our defence (hopefully)like they did in Munster. We all know their hot favourites but how will they deal with that, if they find themselves behind? Last year they were carefree and playing with abandon but I just wonder how will they react if their seriously challenged now that their carrying the expectation of champions and favourites? It might not faze them at all but it's up to us, to pose those questions of them. I'm not even going to reference the league match as I don't think it will have any bearing on the day there were so many players missing from both sides.

    So with all that I'm going against the percieved wisdom of the "hurling cognisantee". If we set up the right way, play the right system and go in with a ravenous hunger, I think we'll win by about 4 points. If we fail to play in the right way I think they will beat us and beat us handy enough in the end. I think this game is in our hands, if we want it, it's there for us.
    Will it be easy?
    Will it f***! but it can be done and we have the players to do it. I'm looking forward to it now and hopefully we don't go back to silly caveman hurling cause that will only lead to ruin.

    Cautiously confident, I think we'll know more after we see the team on Friday and I think the first 5 to 10 mins of the match will tell a huge amount.

    An extra bit of info, Buckleys knee is reacting well and is not an issue. The issue I would suggest is his lack of hurling since last October. Whether he's picked or not is another thing but the knee is not hindering him.

    I'm sorry but theres a disingenuous, dismissive streak that goes throughout that post. The 'if Kilkenny play in the right way they will win but if they dont they ll be beaten' nonsense. Hows this one for you..I think Kilkenny will play fantastically well and in the 'right way' and they ll still be beat. Limerick have better hurlers than Kilkenny at the moment better backs, midfield and forwards. Colin and walter Walsh are fine players...better than fine but could struggle in Kinnerks system. Fennelly because he doesn't look up and Wally because he doesn't have the engine. Leahy is just a loose hurler..I'd rate Reid and Mullen and Hogan in the forwards but again Hogans body is suspect.
    The Kilkenny fullback line...?! A disaster waiting to happen. If Limerick dont manage to destroy it ,Tipperary will. The halfback line is growing in stature every game and Fogarty did a great job the last day in helping out. Iv no doubt but Cody will have them well drilled. I'd worry about the layoff for Limerick but then Kinnerk is Kinnerk and he ll have planned ...
    I'm looking forward to the unique challenge Kilkenny will bring. May the best team on the day win.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    So after the Cork game I was of the view and it appears to be the consensus among all the serious hurling men I know, "If Limerick play to their full potential they will beat us and beat us well, no matter how well we play". However by Monday last week I was starting to form a new hypothesis which is more optimistic. It's all dependent on picking the right team and more importantly setting up and playing the right way. I think if we do both those things we will beat Limerick. I would expect most of the team v Cork to play again the only changes I would like to see would be Wally, Conor Delaney and James Maher but who would you drop to bring them in? Anyway I'm not going to get too worried about the selection as we're at nothing second guessing Cody this year.

    The way I think we can beat Limerick is to mimic how they play and how we used to play when we were in our pomp 5+ years ago. What that entails is playing more or less how we finished against Cork with 5 preferably 6 of our backs inside our own 45 at all times, our midfield and half forwards dropping back to pick up their half forwards and midfield as they try to break through or take long range shots. When we have the ball we can break forward and put good ball into our (hopefully isolated) forwards but I'm sure Limerick will keep it tight again. So I think it will come down to the quality of forwards on show and I think Cork and Tipp (round robin game I know) showed that, with top class forwards there are scores to be got against Limerick. I think our forwards are a different level to what Limerick have. We have TJ, Richie Hogan, Mullen and Leahy which are all really skilfull and the only Limerick player I think that matches them for this is Lynch who can make a sliotar sing and regularly does. I think Limerick have some very good forwards but not of the same quality as the ones I've named above, their forwards rely on strength, speed and a great system of play to get them the space which they exploit and take advantage of brilliantly. If we don't close down that space and congest our side of the field when they have the ball, then I think they will cut us open at will and it could be a very long evening on Saturday. I'm not trying to demean Limerick or their achievements by what I've said about their forwards, I just don't think their as good as ours (but then again I think that about most of our players). I think Colin and Wally are similar to their lads and if we played with a similar system for a while I think our lads would have great success.

    So while I think we've improved from last years team that played Limerick, we will also be fresh having had a break before this encounter, Limerick have moved up a serious gear too. Some are putting Limericks improvement down to S&C but I genuinely don't think their any fitter or stronger (it's probably not possible as amateurs) than last year. Where I see the major difference in them is in the top 6 inches. Their even more composed than they were last year and are now playing with a real confidence and swagger which comes with being champions and winners. That confidence and swagger is really hard to counteract but it's something we need to strip them off if we're to win. I think the fact that they've not had a game since the Munster final will be a big opportunity for us to dent their confidence. We at our best were often a bit rusty in the first 15 mins of semi finals and it was normally the second half that we did the real damage to them. I think we need to tear into them from the get go, use the fact that we should be just a fraction sharper and we need to take a every early score, to just make them think and question their confidence a little. We need to get in their faces, harass and chase them incessantly. However we need to keep that up for the full 75mins.

    As a knowledgable Tipp man pointed out to be yesterday theirs a big difference in Munster and Leinster hurling in terms of the physicality and intensity that we will bring. Limerick will be able for it but not used to it. We will pose a completely different challenge to them than they faced in Munster. They won't be waltzing through our defence (hopefully)like they did in Munster. We all know their hot favourites but how will they deal with that, if they find themselves behind? Last year they were carefree and playing with abandon but I just wonder how will they react if their seriously challenged now that their carrying the expectation of champions and favourites? It might not faze them at all but it's up to us, to pose those questions of them. I'm not even going to reference the league match as I don't think it will have any bearing on the day there were so many players missing from both sides.

    So with all that I'm going against the percieved wisdom of the "hurling cognisantee". If we set up the right way, play the right system and go in with a ravenous hunger, I think we'll win by about 4 points. If we fail to play in the right way I think they will beat us and beat us handy enough in the end. I think this game is in our hands, if we want it, it's there for us.
    Will it be easy?
    Will it f***! but it can be done and we have the players to do it. I'm looking forward to it now and hopefully we don't go back to silly caveman hurling cause that will only lead to ruin.

    Cautiously confident, I think we'll know more after we see the team on Friday and I think the first 5 to 10 mins of the match will tell a huge amount.

    An extra bit of info, Buckleys knee is reacting well and is not an issue. The issue I would suggest is his lack of hurling since last October. Whether he's picked or not is another thing but the knee is not hindering him.

    I'm sorry but theres a disingenuous, dismissive streak that goes throughout that post. The 'if Kilkenny play in the right way they will win but if they dont they ll be beaten' nonsense. Hows this one for you..I think Kilkenny will play fantastically well and in the 'right way' and they ll still be beat. Limerick have better hurlers than Kilkenny at the moment better backs, midfield and forwards. Colin and walter Walsh are fine players...better than fine but could struggle in Kinnerks system. Fennelly because he doesn't look up and Wally because he doesn't have the engine. Leahy is just a loose hurler..I'd rate Reid and Mullen and Hogan in the forwards but again Hogans body is suspect.
    The Kilkenny fullback line...?! A disaster waiting to happen. If Limerick dont manage to destroy it ,Tipperary will. The halfback line is growing in stature every game and Fogarty did a great job the last day in helping out. Iv no doubt but Cody will have them well drilled. I'd worry about the layoff for Limerick but then Kinnerk is Kinnerk and he ll have planned ...
    I'm looking forward to the unique challenge Kilkenny will bring. May the best team on the day win.

    The point you obviously can't take from the post is that I think we're good enough to beat you but only if we have the right approach. If we use our old or default approach of the last few years I think ye will beat us well, I don't see what is disingenuous about that!
    Can you tell me you wouldn't be delighted to see us just lump high ball up to your half back line? I think ye'd eat us without salt if we play like that and if you know Limerick at all, you know I'm right. If we allow our half back line to be dragged out into midfield, your forwards will run riot no doubt, or do you think we'd be able to handle your forwards with 40 yards of space in every direction?

    However I believe that if we play smart heads up hurling which will not be easy with the pressure ye will bring, then I can see us winning. That's my belief, I'm not asking you to agree but I'm not lying when I say I believe those things.

    I'm not going to get into the better hurler this and that, as you rightly believe your lads are better and I believe ours are better. I don't think either of us will convert the other so we can leave that one if that's ok?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭savannahkat


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    I'm sorry but theres a disingenuous, dismissive streak that goes throughout that post. The 'if Kilkenny play in the right way they will win but if they dont they ll be beaten' nonsense. Hows this one for you..I think Kilkenny will play fantastically well and in the 'right way' and they ll still be beat. Limerick have better hurlers than Kilkenny at the moment better backs, midfield and forwards. Colin and walter Walsh are fine players...better than fine but could struggle in Kinnerks system. Fennelly because he doesn't look up and Wally because he doesn't have the engine. Leahy is just a loose hurler..I'd rate Reid and Mullen and Hogan in the forwards but again Hogans body is suspect.
    The Kilkenny fullback line...?! A disaster waiting to happen. If Limerick dont manage to destroy it ,Tipperary will. The halfback line is growing in stature every game and Fogarty did a great job the last day in helping out. Iv no doubt but Cody will have them well drilled. I'd worry about the layoff for Limerick but then Kinnerk is Kinnerk and he ll have planned ...
    I'm looking forward to the unique challenge Kilkenny will bring. May the best team on the day win.

    If that is not as insulting a post as any then i do not know what is. It is not just dismissive but down right insulting. No genuine Limerick hurling follower would believe this drivel and I lived there played there and refereed there to know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    The point you obviously can't take from the post is that I think we're good enough to beat you but only if we have the right approach. If we use our old or default approach of the last few years I think ye will beat us well, I don't see what is disingenuous about that!
    Can you tell me you wouldn't be delighted to see us just lump high ball up to your half back line? I think ye'd eat us without salt if we play like that and if you know Limerick at all, you know I'm right. If we allow our half back line to be dragged out into midfield, your forwards will run riot no doubt, or do you think we'd be able to handle your forwards with 40 yards of space in every direction?

    However I believe that if we play smart heads up hurling which will not be easy with the pressure ye will bring, then I can see us winning. That's my belief, I'm not asking you to agree but I'm not lying when I say I believe those things.

    I'm not going to get into the better hurler this and that, as you rightly believe your lads are better and I believe ours are better. I don't think either of us will convert the other so we can leave that one if that's ok?

    That's fair. I take your point. You might not be far wrong in your summation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭raindodger


    just a general point.Find the build up to the biggest hurling weekend so low key very little on tv or radio i know the golf was massive over the week suppose now it will be the cricket.all the limerick lads seem to be on yere site to grab some news.
    Shaping up to be a great battle 6 o clock sat cant come quick enough


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭kilkennyboy


    Roll out the genuine hurling supporters line.maybe think for yourself
    and don't wait for the lads on the Sunday game to tell you what happened in games.
    No doubt lynch can hurl but the point is comparing him to dj .Henry. canning I'm afraid he is not in that bracket after 4 years.his stats for last year he wasn't in the top 20 in the hole championship for assists and came in at no4 on the limerick team for tackling
    legendarystatus is a bit harder to come by he is available at 16/1 for hurler of the year
    The same as Brendan Maher who I would put him on par with .your reference to crowing about Brownes stats
    He is a chap who played his first ever inter county game and is not guaranteed his starting position that 12k figure could get him the nod.


  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    I don't know about anybody else, but I will be going up to Croker on Saturday to support the plucky outsider. Hopefully we can keep the ball pucked out to this sublime Limerick team and manage to keep the scoreline respectable..


  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭The_Ghost


    As the game is getting closer I’m feeling better about it, little buzz about it and we’re underdogs which suits us fine but of course we’ll say that. Losing to Wexford didn’t prove to be the worst thing in the world (thankfully) as we seemed to have had a right chat with ourselves since. Obviously it’s nice to win silverware though. Seems like the Cork game 2.0 we won’t have enough to beat them etc etc but if we believe we can beat them like we did against cork we’ll be right there I feel. Last year Limericks lads came of age against us I think our lads will come of age this week. Limerick are class hurlers in fairness and they work like absolute dogs which means we won’t be able to play as good as balls in.

    Murphy
    Murphy Lawor Joey
    Deegan Walsh Fogerty
    Browne Leahy
    Tj Hogan Donnelly
    Wally Colin Mullen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭kilkennyboy


    The_Ghost wrote: »
    As the game is getting closer I’m feeling better about it, little buzz about it and we’re underdogs which suits us fine but of course we’ll say that. Losing to Wexford didn’t prove to be the worst thing in the world (thankfully) as we seemed to have had a right chat with ourselves since. Obviously it’s nice to win silverware though. Seems like the Cork game 2.0 we won’t have enough to beat them etc etc but if we believe we can beat them like we did against cork we’ll be right there I feel. Last year Limericks lads came of age against us I think our lads will come of age this week. Limerick are class hurlers in fairness and they work like absolute dogs which means we won’t be able to play as good as balls in.

    Murphy
    Murphy Lawor Joey
    Deegan Walsh Fogerty
    Browne Leahy
    Tj Hogan Donnelly
    Wally Colin Mullen.

    I would say you have the team fairly spot on barring Buckley or Cody move
    Where someone like Delaney or darren Mullen get shot in.hogan to a corner maybe .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    TJ TEID: I’VE TOLD THE LADS TO TAKE SATURDAY EVENING OFF AS I’ll BEAT LIMERICK ON MY OWN
    In an exclusive interview with The Kilkenny Diary, Kilkenny’s hurling talisman TJ Reid has said he’s told the rest of the panel to take Saturday evening off. Reid is so confident of beating the reigning All Ireland champions on his own that he will face the starting Limerick 15 on his own in Saturday’s All Ireland semi final. In another amazing act of generosity, the Ballyhale forward has instructed the official team bus driver to ‘stay at home and spend some time with the missus’ as he has his bus driving test later today and he is confident he will secure his category D license required to drive the team bus himself on Saturday.
    ‘Ah shura look, I’m just feeling generous is all’ said Reid. ‘Niamh has been onto me all week to let the boys have a bit of time with their women, go to the cinema or whatever. I was contemplating asking Murph to play with me as I wouldn’t be great in goal but **** it sure, I’ll get Richie to pelt a few balls at me in the back garden on Saturday morning to sharpen the goalie reflexes. It’ll be grand. As for the bus, I can always park it up at Newland’s Cross and get the Luas in if I’m having trouble. But I doubt I’ll need it. I could drive the Luas in sure. That’d be a great laugh altogether.’
    The Kilkenny County Board issued a statement this morning saying they weren’t aware of Reid’s offer to the rest of the panel and the bus driver but would look into the matter if he allowed them Saturday evening off aswell.

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    Should be a great battle on Saturday evening. KK really need, like Cork game, other lads shooting over 3 pts each, instead of relying on T.J. V Cork, mid-fielders chipped in with 4pts. This needs to happen again V Limerick but we'll be a bit move defensive, so maybe hard to see this happening.

    Walter got 3pts when he came in so obviously, whatever subs come in, they really need to make an impact on the scoreboard.

    Can KK score the same again? Hard to know as they need to be firing on all cylinders. Like Wexford, we need a 95% shot to scoring ratio to get through I think.

    Limerick will be score and in every game, they have consistently had a good range of scorers.

    Croke Park will be different though and it'll be interesting to see how Limerick react to a bit of a layoff. Will KK's advantage of playing in Croke Park twice in recent weeks help them? Hopefully it will!

    Need to compress the space between full-back line and half-back line with mid-fielders sitting deep. Cork game, after 15mins, was a good template for this setup. Workrate needs to be off the charts back out the field though.

    Benches will be the key though - who comes in and what difference will they make? Can they make an impact on the scoreboard?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭robwen


    The 44 man panel Kilkenny have been working off this year from the Kilkenny People..


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    robwen wrote: »
    The 44 man panel Kilkenny have been working off this year from the Kilkenny People..

    Yep no real surprises there, those are all the lads that have been mentioned on here throughout the year.

    One thing I do want to know is why the decision was taken to only bring the 26 on match days this year?
    Is it because the panel is so large? Up to this year there would have been the other panel members in tracksuits in the stand behind the subs.
    Has there been an edict from Croke Park?
    Is the County board not willing to cough up the extra dough to bring these lads along for a day when their not going to take any part?
    Do the lads themselves not want to be part of the day if their not going to be involved at all?
    If we're get to an AI final will it be just the 26 that are picked for that day that will get to travel up on the bus?


    It's not a big thing but it's just something I've been wondering about for the last little while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    Yep no real surprises there, those are all the lads that have been mentioned on here throughout the year.

    One thing I do want to know is why the decision was taken to only bring the 26 on match days this year?
    Is it because the panel is so large? Up to this year there would have been the other panel members in tracksuits in the stand behind the subs.
    Has there been an edict from Croke Park?
    Is the County board not willing to cough up the extra dough to bring these lads along for a day when their not going to take any part?
    Do the lads themselves not want to be part of the day if their not going to be involved at all?
    If we're get to an AI final will it be just the 26 that are picked for that day that will get to travel up on the bus?


    It's not a big thing but it's just something I've been wondering about for the last little while.


    I had been wondering myself why Wexford and Cork had more than the 26 on match day and we didn't. When I read the program for the Leinster Final and saw so many on our extended panel I assumed a line had to be drawn somewhere. Who would you leave out on match day? It would appear its a new approach and perhaps a sure indication that Cody has a longer term plan and he'll be sticking around next year with a ready made panel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Yep no real surprises there, those are all the lads that have been mentioned on here throughout the year.

    One thing I do want to know is why the decision was taken to only bring the 26 on match days this year?
    Is it because the panel is so large? Up to this year there would have been the other panel members in tracksuits in the stand behind the subs.
    Has there been an edict from Croke Park?
    Is the County board not willing to cough up the extra dough to bring these lads along for a day when their not going to take any part?
    Do the lads themselves not want to be part of the day if their not going to be involved at all?
    If we're get to an AI final will it be just the 26 that are picked for that day that will get to travel up on the bus?


    It's not a big thing but it's just something I've been wondering about for the last little while.

    Croke park have changed the rules re. match day panels, traditionally you named your match day panel and if someone picked up an injury the day before or that morning or even in the warm up, they could be replaced. This year however once the 26 is named thats it, if someone cries off they cant be replaced - happened Tipp v Limerick in the Munster Final when Cathal Barrett failed the fitness test, they only had 25 on the match day panel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Croke park have changed the rules re. match day panels, traditionally you named your match day panel and if someone picked up an injury the day before or that morning or even in the warm up, they could be replaced. This year however once the 26 is named thats it, if someone cries off they cant be replaced - happened Tipp v Limerick in the Munster Final when Cathal Barrett failed the fitness test, they only had 25 on the match day panel.

    I understand that but these lads are training away all year and then to not be even on the bus is a bit rough I think. Traditionally (as far as I'm aware) we would have brought a little over 30 to matches even if the lads over the 26 weren't going to play. Those panels would have lads on what you'd call the extended training panel who would be at most sessions but rarely if ever involved in the match day panels (this year) They would play the subs in training matches if lads go down injured etc. Is it because we can't fit them all on one bus? By my reckoning there are 4 management, about 4 medical staff (doc and Physio's) Nutritionist and 2 stats ladies, making 11 backroom and then 44 players is 55 and the biggest buses take 52 as far as I'm aware. But why doesn't he leave the 8 or 9 lads furthest from a chance of playing make their own way and bring the rest. I don't know why the change. As I said it's not a big thing I'm just curious.


  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭JohnCougar


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Croke park have changed the rules re. match day panels, traditionally you named your match day panel and if someone picked up an injury the day before or that morning or even in the warm up, they could be replaced. This year however once the 26 is named thats it, if someone cries off they cant be replaced - happened Tipp v Limerick in the Munster Final when Cathal Barrett failed the fitness test, they only had 25 on the match day panel.


    Registration/Lists for Inter-County Senior Championship
    Games

    Special Provisions for Registration of Teams and supply
    of Team List to Referee for all Inter-County Senior
    Championship Games


    Notwithstanding the provisions of any other Rules, the
    following requirements shall specifically apply to all InterCounty Senior Championship Games:

    (a) For all Senior Inter-County Championship Games, the
    Team line-out (Fifteen Players and maximum Eleven
    Panel Members - total twenty six) shall be registered
    with the Committee-in-Charge not later than 9 am on
    the Thursday before a week-end game.

    Penalty: Withdrawal of Sideline Privileges from Bainisteoir
    for one game and/or maximum €1,000 fine on the County
    Committee, depending on the circumstances.

    (b) No Players may be added to the registered Team or
    Panel after it has been submitted to the Committee-inCharge.
    Exception - A Goalkeeper or Sub-Goalkeeper may be
    replaced by another Goalkeeper and such replacement
    shall only be allowed to play as a Goalkeeper.

    Penalty for playing, or including on the Team list submitted
    to the Referee, a player who has not been registered with
    the Committee-in-Charge: Forfeiture of Game.


    (c) A prescribed Team List (as issued by the Committee-inCharge from time to time), confirming the 15 starting
    players and maximum 11 additional panel members,
    shall be submitted to the Referee not later than forty
    minutes before the official starting times of the Game
    and shall only contain the names of Registered Players
    specified in paragraphs (a) or (b), together with the
    Team Officials.

    Penalty: Fine on the County Committee - up to a maximum
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  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭JohnCougar


    JohnCougar wrote: »
    Registration/Lists for Inter-County Senior Championship
    Games

    Special Provisions for Registration of Teams and supply
    of Team List to Referee for all Inter-County Senior
    Championship Games


    Notwithstanding the provisions of any other Rules, the
    following requirements shall specifically apply to all InterCounty Senior Championship Games:

    (a) For all Senior Inter-County Championship Games, the
    Team line-out (Fifteen Players and maximum Eleven
    Panel Members - total twenty six) shall be registered
    with the Committee-in-Charge not later than 9 am on
    the Thursday before a week-end game.

    Penalty: Withdrawal of Sideline Privileges from Bainisteoir
    for one game and/or maximum €1,000 fine on the County
    Committee, depending on the circumstances.

    (b) No Players may be added to the registered Team or
    Panel after it has been submitted to the Committee-inCharge.
    Exception - A Goalkeeper or Sub-Goalkeeper may be
    replaced by another Goalkeeper and such replacement
    shall only be allowed to play as a Goalkeeper.

    Penalty for playing, or including on the Team list submitted
    to the Referee, a player who has not been registered with
    the Committee-in-Charge: Forfeiture of Game.


    (c) A prescribed Team List (as issued by the Committee-inCharge from time to time), confirming the 15 starting
    players and maximum 11 additional panel members,
    shall be submitted to the Referee not later than forty
    minutes before the official starting times of the Game
    and shall only contain the names of Registered Players
    specified in paragraphs (a) or (b), together with the
    Team Officials.

    Penalty: Fine on the County Committee - up to a maximum
    of €1,000 for each minute over the prescribed time.



    Team Party/Selections


    (a) A County team party shall consist of not more than
    twenty four players and five officials of the County
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    A Senior Inter-County Team Party may have up to, but
    not more than twenty six players.


    (b) In All-Ireland Semi-Finals and Finals the placing of
    teams must be given to the Director General at least
    six days prior to the game.
    Penalty for (b): Fine €500.


  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭JohnCougar


    JohnCougar wrote: »
    Team Party/Selections


    (a) A County team party shall consist of not more than
    twenty four players and five officials of the County
    Committee.
    Exception:
    A Senior Inter-County Team Party may have up to, but
    not more than twenty six players.


    (b) In All-Ireland Semi-Finals and Finals the placing of
    teams must be given to the Director General at least
    six days prior to the game.
    Penalty for (b): Fine €500.





    1.4 ENTRY TO FIELD OF PLAY/Incursions

    One Team Official (Maor Foirne, who is
    an assistant to the Bainisteoir), may move
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    The Maor Foirne shall enter the field of play
    through the Substitution Zone and only when
    the ball has gone out of play following a score
    or a ‘wide’ or during a stoppage in play which
    is called by the Referee for medical attention to
    an injured player.

    This named official shall wear a yellow or
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    shall have “MAOR FOIRNE” in clear large
    letters. The Committee-in-Charge shall
    determine and notify the colour to be used by
    each Maor Foirne.

    The Maor Foirne may not act as a water carrier
    or hurley carrier. A Selector is permitted to act
    as Maor Foirne. The Maor Foirne shall not be a
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  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭JohnCougar


    I understand that but these lads are training away all year and then to not be even on the bus is a bit rough I think. Traditionally (as far as I'm aware) we would have brought a little over 30 to matches even if the lads over the 26 weren't going to play. Those panels would have lads on what you'd call the extended training panel who would be at most sessions but rarely if ever involved in the match day panels (this year) They would play the subs in training matches if lads go down injured etc. Is it because we can't fit them all on one bus? By my reckoning there are 4 management, about 4 medical staff (doc and Physio's) Nutritionist and 2 stats ladies, making 11 backroom and then 44 players is 55 and the biggest buses take 52 as far as I'm aware. But why doesn't he leave the 8 or 9 lads furthest from a chance of playing make their own way and bring the rest. I don't know why the change. As I said it's not a big thing I'm just curious.



    I am not sure why the extended panel are not brought to games but I would think its a County Board decision. The players are told on a Thursday by text who is in the 26 for Sunday and those 26 turn up for training/meeting on Friday night when the team is named.

    Maybe to make room for John Delaney and the girlfriend. We have not won an Ireland since 2015 when he was on the bus after the match :):):):):)


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭kilkennyboy


    As far as I know they are looked after with tickets. But make their own way and do their own thing on match days.
    I certainly wouldn't want 20 extra lads on the team bus on match days
    Just going up for the spin.
    That is a sacred time for players in their prep for games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    As far as I know they are looked after with tickets. But make their own way and do their own thing on match days.
    I certainly wouldn't want 20 extra lads on the team bus on match days
    Just going up for the spin.
    That is a sacred time for players in their prep for games.

    I know for a fact their looked after for tickets, as you'd expect. We went through years when we brought 30 odd lads to games and I don't think any of them objected, either those starting or those not going to get a game at all.

    I just think you have lads in their working just as hard giving up as much of their time and then just to be told to make their own way up to the game is a bit much. If it was me I don't know If I'd bother going it feels like a real snub. I know Ballyhale brought their full panel up to Croke Park obviously only 24 had a chance of playing but everyone got to be involved. What about the lad who is training every night on the "B team". I think those lads deserve to be brought along but anyway I was just wondering have we decided it and if so why or has it been imposed on us.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bamayang


    JohnCougar wrote: »
    I understand that but these lads are training away all year and then to not be even on the bus is a bit rough I think. Traditionally (as far as I'm aware) we would have brought a little over 30 to matches even if the lads over the 26 weren't going to play. Those panels would have lads on what you'd call the extended training panel who would be at most sessions but rarely if ever involved in the match day panels (this year) They would play the subs in training matches if lads go down injured etc. Is it because we can't fit them all on one bus? By my reckoning there are 4 management, about 4 medical staff (doc and Physio's) Nutritionist and 2 stats ladies, making 11 backroom and then 44 players is 55 and the biggest buses take 52 as far as I'm aware. But why doesn't he leave the 8 or 9 lads furthest from a chance of playing make their own way and bring the rest. I don't know why the change. As I said it's not a big thing I'm just curious.



    I am not sure why the extended panel are not brought to games but I would think its a County Board decision. The players are told on a Thursday by text who is in the 26 for Sunday and those 26 turn up for training/meeting on Friday night when the team is named.

    Maybe to make room for John Delaney and the girlfriend. We have not won an Ireland since 2015 when he was on the bus after the match :):):):):)

    I heard this was to stop teams and switches being leaked.


  • Registered Users Posts: 259 ✭✭SteJer


    Team for Saturday,

    Murphy
    Murphy
    Lawlor
    Delaney
    Walsh
    Deegan
    Fogarty
    Maher
    Leahy
    Hogan
    TJ
    Walter
    Mullen
    Fennelly
    Donnelly


  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    I think we need to keep Fogarty as a midfielder and give him the remit to drop back as he did V Cork.

    I see most suggested teams have Fogarty as wing back. Just don't think he works for us as an orthodox wing back.
    We will need our 6 backs playing deep and Fogarty operating between the 2 lines. Our half forward line should drop back to the middle and try create some space in front of Colin.

    Prior to the Cork game, Fogarty had been a serious concern. We need to replicate the 2nd half V Cork. If we can do that, and not fall into the trap of lumping balls up we will win.


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭kilkennyboy


    SteJer wrote: »
    Team for Saturday,

    Murphy
    Murphy
    Lawlor
    Delaney
    Walsh
    Deegan
    Fogarty
    Maher
    Leahy
    Hogan
    TJ
    Walter
    Mullen
    Fennelly
    Donnelly

    Strong team on paper .
    But probably not the starting 15 Joey will probably hold on and Browne.

    Could Cody go with something a bit different like

    Murphy

    Murphy
    Lawler
    Walsh go after gillane from the start hammer the hammer

    Fogarty
    Browne could be a good match up with hayes
    Deegan

    Maher
    Leahy

    Wally
    Tj
    Mullen

    Hogan
    Fennelly
    Donnelly


  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭oconnol1


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  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭droppingball


    I think we need to keep Fogarty as a midfielder and give him the remit to drop back as he did V Cork.

    I see most suggested teams have Fogarty as wing back. Just don't think he works for us as an orthodox wing back.
    We will need our 6 backs playing deep and Fogarty operating between the 2 lines. Our half forward line should drop back to the middle and try create some space in front of Colin.

    Prior to the Cork game, Fogarty had been a serious concern. We need to replicate the 2nd half V Cork. If we can do that, and not fall into the trap of lumping balls up we will win.

    Fogarty will be half back again, why change him, his best game of the year was the last day and he played half back throughout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    SteJer wrote: »
    Team for Saturday,

    Murphy
    Murphy
    Lawlor
    Delaney
    Walsh
    Deegan
    Fogarty
    Maher
    Leahy
    Hogan
    TJ
    Walter
    Mullen
    Fennelly
    Donnelly


    Would love to see Delaney, and indeed Buckley, back but feel it's too late in the season. We'd have a great set of backs if those two were available. Joey will start and Browne, with Maher to come on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭savannahkat


    Good to see Zack Bay back on the minor starting 15 at 7 and Ian Byrne scorer of 2-1 from the bench last day starts at 15. Best od luck to them all they are a good team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    Good to see Zack Bay back on the minor starting 15 at 7 and Ian Byrne scorer of 2-1 from the bench last day starts at 15. Best od luck to them all they are a good team.

    After both their contributions versus Galway it's no great surprise. Both Dunnamaggin midfielders in subs now after lining out together on most games. The team as selected is strongest looking to date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Grats wrote: »
    After both their contributions versus Galway it's no great surprise. Both Dunnamaggin midfielders in subs now after lining out together on most games. The team as selected is strongest looking to date.

    I thought Zak struggled a lot when he came on against Galway in the second half. He was marking #15 Greg Thomas who caught a good few balls which ended up in scores, including the third goal.

    Thoughts? Maybe I've gotten mixed up


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    I thought Zak struggled a lot when he came on against Galway in the second half. He was marking #15 Greg Thomas who caught a good few balls which ended up in scores, including the third goal.

    Thoughts? Maybe I've gotten mixed up

    Maybe you're right but I thought he added something with his attacking style. Albeit a little over ambitious but nothing that couldn't be corrected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 259 ✭✭SteJer


    Strong team on paper .
    But probably not the starting 15 Joey will probably hold on and Browne.

    Could Cody go with something a bit different like

    Murphy

    Murphy
    Lawler
    Walsh go after gillane from the start hammer the hammer

    Fogarty
    Browne could be a good match up with hayes
    Deegan

    Maher
    Leahy

    Wally
    Tj
    Mullen

    Hogan
    Fennelly
    Donnelly

    Lawlor or Delaney will be well able for Gillane. We need to keep Padraig Walsh on the half back line and not bottled up trying to man mark Gillane. I think Maher might be our best option to man mark Lynch. Browne has plenty of running in him but I can’t see him keeping up to Lynch in full flight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭kk.man


    If we manage to cut off the supply lines and force limerick to take shots from distance I feel this will be key. It will mean working like dogs from the start.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭savannahkat


    Has or will the Official team be on Kilkenny Gaa website tonight


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭kilkennyboy


    SteJer wrote: »
    Lawlor or Delaney will be well able for Gillane. We need to keep Padraig Walsh on the half back line and not bottled up trying to man mark Gillane. I think Maher might be our best option to man mark Lynch. Browne has plenty of running in him but I can’t see him keeping up to Lynch in full flight.

    Probably start that way but if gillane is doing harm what is plan b
    Against cork Walsh back to the full line was our move to counteract
    their threat..I think Browne is rated higher outside kk than in.spoke to one of the cork panel yesterday and he raved about him outstanding for both college teams he played for and in cork championship


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭savannahkat


    Probably start that way but if gillane is doing harm what is plan b
    Against cork Walsh back to the full line was our move to counteract
    their threat..I think Browne is rated higher outside kk than in.spoke to one of the cork panel yesterday and he raved about him outstanding for both college teams he played for and in cork championship

    I think Brian Cody has a plan for Browne too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    Has or will the Official team be on Kilkenny Gaa website tonight

    Doubt it, it's always Friday no matter if it's a Saturday or Sunday fixture.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    kk.man wrote: »
    If we manage to cut off the supply lines and force limerick to take shots from distance I feel this will be key. It will mean working like dogs from the start.

    Sounds simple alright but i think this is the only way we can beat limerick but as others have said we can't afford to have our half back line pulled our past mid field and our full back line left exposed inside.we know tom morrissey and hegarty will cover serious ground and spend time in their half back line and if they get the head up to delivery diagonal ball inside to gillane,Casey and mulcahy its very hard defend against.we will have to work like dogs out around here and I think lynch makes them click so it'll be intresting to see who we put on him cause last year we used fogarty.It would be a big ask for buckley after missing so much of like us to use fogarty like they use hannon just sitting in the pocket.They will have hannon in front of colin so it'll be intresting to see what they do with tj they generally dont man mark.
    What will we do with our puck outs?going route one on top of hannon,Byrne's and morrissey is bread and butter but wally,tj and mullen all good in the air so these will all be good battles but we need to vary tings.Will we man mark gillane?padraig has being up and down but wouldnt be a out and out man marker.All these potential match ups are intriguing and add to the excitement.
    I'm hopefull we get our tactics and match ups right and the cork victory will give us confidence but as we know this will be different ball game but we know whats coming down the tracks our lads will give what they have anyway im looking foward to it now it would be brillant if we could get the win.Best of luck to the two teams saturday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭savannahkat


    We should man mark no one. Let them worry about us. I dont care what Kilkenny midfield pairing starts who ever they are should play their own game unrestricted by the straight jacket of being told to man mark some one.By definition all four midfield players are trying to nullify the opposition any way so there is no need for special instructions. Similarly at the back let us play our own positions and keep some cover at all times at the back. After that let them worry about us and they have just as much as us to worry about.Let there be no negativity let them worry about man marking us.


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