College Green Plaza -- public consultation open

MJohnston · 18-04-2016 4:57pm

lxflyer wrote: »

Well the bus gate will be 24/7, there won't be bus stops on College St due to a LUAS stop being there. There aren't any stops there as it is.

Problem with sending northbound buses the way they go now is that there will be no right turn at the bottom of Dawson St per the LUAS EIS plans.

I think Kildare Street is up to the task of taking over from Dawson St, plus it'd remove another street where bus and Luas overlap. When that happens, it degrades both modes.

Phil.x · 18-04-2016 5:13pm

What's the point in removing cars from this area when two of the heavyweights of public transport rumble through a so called pedestrian area.

Thank God I don't have to go into that part of town at all.

monument · 18-04-2016 5:47pm

MJohnston wrote: »

We'll have to disagree there then, because I think bus + Luas mixing is just a recipe for a bigger mess, and will eventually have to be rethought if it is allowed to happen.

Trams and buses mixing is not a issue of the space / route is designed for it. It has happened in the Netherlands and elsewhere for tens of years.

You just have to make sure volumes and design is right for it.

MJohnston · 18-04-2016 6:09pm

monument wrote: »

Trams and buses mixing is not a issue of the space / route is designed for it. It has happened in the Netherlands and elsewhere for tens of years.

You just have to make sure volumes and design is right for it.

Yeah, I agree, that's why I think removing east-west is necessary!

monument · 18-04-2016 7:51pm

Drawings and different views added to here: http://www.dublincity.ie/college-green

One of the files isn't much better than the photos already posted if the drawings on display at Wood Quay last week.

Bus lanes on quays shown in the posted posted are partly blanked out in one of the new drawings.

It's about time that the published a draft of all the the city centre transport study changes -- clearly College Green and Dame Street are only part of a wider picture.

MJohnston · 18-04-2016 10:08pm

monument wrote: »

It's about time that the published a draft of all the the city centre transport study changes -- clearly College Green and Dame Street are only part of a wider picture.

Imo they're inextricably linked - you could do the CC transport changes without College Green, but not vice versa.

noelfirl · 18-04-2016 10:26pm

monument wrote: »

Drawings and different views added to here: http://www.dublincity.ie/college-green

Nice attention to detail in those renders. Trams hanging half way off their railway alignments, trees sprouting in the bus stop outside the central bank.

I know they're just supposed to be indicative but one can't help get worried if the professionals are having trouble getting those bits anything less than exactly right.

MJohnston · 18-04-2016 10:57pm

Brilliant, even the renders show how bad an idea a bus stop on College Green will be!

trellheim · 18-04-2016 11:17pm

Brilliant, even the renders show how bad an idea a bus stop on College Green will be!

someone trying obvious foreshadowing. lol

monument · 19-04-2016 3:41pm

I would not get too caught up on the details of the renderings -- they are just quick outlines to given people an idea of what it'll look like.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 19-04-2016 4:04pm

monument wrote: »

I would not get too caught up on the details of the renderings -- they are just quick outlines to given people an idea of what it'll look like.

I didn't think there would be 2 separate tracks going around grafton street. It seems very tight for the way the track has been put down.

Also its a hard enough turn and when luas teams turn they create alot of overhang on the front and back...

So i can see there being accidents with cyclists being too close and other vehicles on the tight turn etc.

Devilman40k · 21-05-2016 10:52pm

Looks like the plan to remove cars from Bachelors Walk is going to be reversed allowing car traffic to turn left onto O'Connell St. Sth Quays to have one bus lane only.

LXFlyer · 21-05-2016 11:20pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I didn't think there would be 2 separate tracks going around grafton street. It seems very tight for the way the track has been put down.

Also its a hard enough turn and when luas teams turn they create alot of overhang on the front and back...

So i can see there being accidents with cyclists being too close and other vehicles on the tight turn etc.

That was always the case - it could not work otherwise.

Did you not think of looking at the EIS?

The drawings have been there all along.

As for accidents - that will depend upon the traffic light sequencing. Maybe after the LUAS gets a green on Dawson St, pedestrians will. Result - no traffic directly behind the tram.

IE 222 · 25-05-2016 2:33am

What about routing buses coming down Dawson from Stephens green around to westland row (Prease st. Station serving dart, intercity and maynooth, dundalk, Wexford and soon portlaoise trains) turning onto prease street and then d'olier Street (make it 2 way street for buses only).

This could free westmoreland Street and collage green from buses and create a cycle luas only Lanes from college green up oconnell st.

Cross city routes from Georges Street could turn at Wexford Street onto Stephens green or continue as currently routed and use the new u turn and go up church Lane and onto Nassau Street and around.

This will also reduce volume going up parliament Street and onto bachelors walk quite a lot as well, cause when private companies and tour buses are included it will be gridlock during rush hour.

LXFlyer · 25-05-2016 6:29am

IE 222 wrote: »

What about routing buses coming down Dawson from Stephens green around to westland row (Prease st. Station serving dart, intercity and maynooth, dundalk, Wexford and soon portlaoise trains) turning onto prease street and then d'olier Street (make it 2 way street for buses only).

This could free westmoreland Street and collage green from buses and create a cycle luas only Lanes from college green up oconnell st.

Cross city routes from Georges Street could turn at Wexford Street onto Stephens green or continue as currently routed and use the new u turn and go up church Lane and onto Nassau Street and around.

This will also reduce volume going up parliament Street and onto bachelors walk quite a lot as well, cause when private companies and tour buses are included it will be gridlock during rush hour.

There will be no right turn off Dawson St into Nassau St and Suffolk St will be pedestrianised.

IE 222 · 26-05-2016 2:17am

lxflyer wrote: »

There will be no right turn off Dawson St into Nassau St and Suffolk St will be pedestrianised.

I'm sure a right turn could be be created. If not they could look at using kildare Street instead. I'm sure a bollard post single lane with zebra crossing could be implemented along Suffolk Street.

Calina · 30-05-2016 7:57pm

Dublin Bus's submission on this is interesting.

• Potentially increased journey times for our customers due to a more circuitous route across the Liffey and onto O’Connell Street. This will particularly affect Routes 9, 16, 65/b, 83 and 122, which between them carry almost 13million passengers each year

Note these routes have to deal with the eye of a needle which Parliament Street is lined up to become.

That averages out at around 35,000 people per day affected by this. A disproportionate number of the benefits of the proposals in the proposal documents focused on the benefits to cyclists of which there are, per the proposal document itself, 6,500 through College Green per day.

trellheim · 31-05-2016 12:27am

That averages out at around 35,000 people per day affected by this. A disproportionate number of the benefits of the proposals in the proposal documents focused on the benefits to cyclists of which there are, per the proposal document itself, 6,500 through College Green per day.

Yes indeed

Consider : you have a fixed number of buses converging on Dame St from the south. they enter from Georges St and Christchurch.

With College Green removed ( 2 lanes) northbound they must all now fit down one lane ( Parliament St )

PS its also very likely they want to get off somewhere on Dame St close to town i,e. where all the Central Bank stops are.

With this gone you are now putting those bus stops right outside City Hall because you're not going to put them on Parliament St.

aliveandkicking · 31-05-2016 8:50am

trellheim wrote: »

Yes indeed

Consider : you have a fixed number of buses converging on Dame St from the south. they enter from Georges St and Christchurch.

With College Green removed ( 2 lanes) northbound they must all now fit down one lane ( Parliament St )

PS its also very likely they want to get off somewhere on Dame St close to town i,e. where all the Central Bank stops are.

With this gone you are now putting those bus stops right outside City Hall because you're not going to put them on Parliament St.

The stop line for the right turn onto Parliament St is before City Hall so there won't be any new stops outside City Hall. Looking at it on Google street view the road is wide enough at Barnardo Square to have bus stops while maintaining a full lane on the outside of the stops so I'd say that's the likely location of any new stops.

thomasj · 31-05-2016 9:02am

What about ormond quay?

I can't see any reference to improvements to this stretch.

Anyone who commutes from blanch, Lucan, heuston etc knows how bad it is . Yesterday morning it was free flow up until ormond quay and we were stuck there for nearly 10 minutes no exaggeration.

2 lanes of bumper to bumper traffic, a long line of buses no way of overtaking etc , long line of cyclists and a loading bay for deliveries .

Whats it going to be like if this is a 2 lane road for motorists feeding into 1 lane of traffic on bachelor's walk? What about buses trying to get over to chapel Street bridge .

I can't find anything to this on the report? Am I looking in the wrong spot?

MJohnston · 31-05-2016 9:17am

What's the utility of Capel Street > Parliament Street beyond a short cut for private car traffic? Do any buses run on that direction? Because otherwise, I fail to see why we need to retain southbound access for cars at this point.

aliveandkicking · 31-05-2016 9:18am

thomasj wrote: »

What about ormond quay?

I can't see any reference to improvements to this stretch.

Anyone who commutes from blanch, Lucan, heuston etc knows how bad it is . Yesterday morning it was free flow up until ormond quay and we were stuck there for nearly 10 minutes no exaggeration.

2 lanes of bumper to bumper traffic, a long line of buses no way of overtaking etc , long line of cyclists and a loading bay for deliveries .

Whats it going to be like if this is a 2 lane road for motorists feeding into 1 lane of traffic on bachelor's walk? What about buses trying to get over to chapel Street bridge .

I can't find anything to this on the report? Am I looking in the wrong spot?

While there is nothing in the report regarding Ormond Quay I think they will probably double bus lane it eventually or at the very least get rid of the pay and display parking on both sides of the road. The question is though is how much of that two lanes of car traffic on Ormond Quay will still be on Ormond Quay when they can't continue onto Eden Quay or turn right onto O'Connell bridge? I would estimate a minimum of 60% private traffic travelling on Ormond Quay right now are going either onto Eden Quay or onto O'Connell bridge.

LXFlyer · 31-05-2016 9:20am

trellheim wrote: »

Yes indeed

Consider : you have a fixed number of buses converging on Dame St from the south. they enter from Georges St and Christchurch.

With College Green removed ( 2 lanes) northbound they must all now fit down one lane ( Parliament St )

PS its also very likely they want to get off somewhere on Dame St close to town i,e. where all the Central Bank stops are.

With this gone you are now putting those bus stops right outside City Hall because you're not going to put them on Parliament St.

There would have to be a stop on Dame St for those routes off Georges St.

The stop could be where the current stop is on Dame St - outside the AIB Bank northbound and opposite there southbound. The next stops in either direction would be on the Quays close to O'Connell Bridge.

The routes terminating on Dame St would have their second stop on Lord Edward St. No need to stop twice on Dame St.

LXFlyer · 31-05-2016 9:26am

aliveandkicking wrote: »

While there is nothing in the report regarding Ormond Quay I think they will probably double bus lane it eventually or at the very least get rid of the pay and display parking on both sides of the road. The question is though is how much of that two lanes of car traffic on Ormond Quay will still be on Ormond Quay when they can't continue onto Eden Quay or turn right onto O'Connell bridge? I would estimate a minimum of 60% private traffic travelling on Ormond Quay right now are going either onto Eden Quay or onto O'Connell bridge.

It's going to require a major change in people's habits - but I remain completely unconvinced that this can work.

Without extra sets of lights and bus gates you're just going to have cars blocking the bus lanes (as they do already at Jervis St).

Jervis St, Capel St, Church St and Gardiner St (and the southern alternative via Kevin St) are going to become gridlocked with all of the diverted cars.

I still believe that the southern half of College Green is going to have to be retained for some of the routes that use it, along with other routes using Kildare St or Merrion Square, Westland Row and Pearse St/Townsend St. Grafton St and Parliament St will not have the capacity to deal with this.

This whole process smacks of amateurism at its finest.

aliveandkicking · 31-05-2016 10:03am

lxflyer wrote: »

It's going to require a major change in people's habits - but I remain completely unconvinced that this can work.

Without extra sets of lights and bus gates you're just going to have cars blocking the bus lanes (as they do already at Jervis St).

Jervis St, Capel St, Church St and Gardiner St (and the southern alternative via Kevin St) are going to become gridlocked with all of the diverted cars.

I still believe that the southern half of College Green is going to have to be retained for some of the routes that use it, along with other routes using Kildare St or Merrion Square, Westland Row and Pearse St/Townsend St. Grafton St and Parliament St will not have the capacity to deal with this.

This whole process smacks of amateurism at its finest.

I share your pessimism that all of this is going to work in the short term. Quite frankly I think it will be an unmitigated disaster when these changes are first introduced and I predict a media ****storm with Owen Keegan once again the figure of hate. However my short term pessimism is tempered by a more longer term outlook that these changes will actually be ultimately beneficial for our city. We can't continue with the status quo, the city is becoming more and more gridlocked. These changes will pretty much forcibly remove most private car traffic out of the city centre. To me that can only be a good thing. Yes it's going to piss people off and yes people are going to be forced out of their cars for their daily commute and those that continue to drive will be stuck in traffic for longer. It's not going to be pretty for a while but it will settle down and people will change their habits. They'll have to.

LXFlyer · 31-05-2016 10:11am

aliveandkicking wrote: »

I share your pessimism that all of this is going to work in the short term. Quite frankly I think it will be an unmitigated disaster when these changes are first introduced and I predict a media ****storm with Owen Keegan once again the figure of hate. However my short term pessimism is tempered by a more longer term outlook that these changes will actually be ultimately beneficial for our city. We can't continue with the status quo, the city is becoming more and more gridlocked. These changes will pretty much forcibly remove most private car traffic out of the city centre. To me that can only be a good thing. Yes it's going to piss people off and yes people are going to be forced out of their cars for their daily commute and those that continue to drive will be stuck in traffic for longer. It's not going to be pretty for a while but it will settle down and people will change their habits. They'll have to.

Pedestrianising the whole of College Green would be fine if there were high capacity high frequency rail routes such as DART Underground and Metro North in place, but there aren't and as a result the bus service is the main form of public transport. Sending the bus routes down a narrow street with two right turns and additional sets of lights is not the solution, even with a double bus lane on the Quays.

I also remain unconvinced by DCC's assertion that buses turning right onto Dame St would create too many conflicts, as I'm pretty sure it's based on sending all of the buses that traditionally used that route rather than just some.

I think some form of compromise is going to have to happen.

I agree - people's habits are going to have to change, and private motorists will have to stop using the city centre as a through route, especially along the Quays. But what measures will DCC put in place along alternative routes to mitigate the increased traffic levels? We've not seen anything about that.

cgcsb · 31-05-2016 10:13am

It would work if we had Metro and DARTu in place many years ago and we were begining to add spur lines and extensions to both to bring frequent rail services to the suburbs, then Dublin bus's radial routes could be somewhat scaled back and become more focused on feeder bus and orbital routes. But at present we rely on Dublin bus for long distance public transport, so I just don't see it working.

Cars on Bachelor's walk will have to go and private vehicles on all of the quays will have to be drastically scaled back.

Shedite27 · 01-06-2016 11:48am

College Green is a mess at the moment with all the construction going on. They should have routed buses away from it while construction was going on, and use that to test the water with pedestrianizing it eventually.

Would have given us all a few months to see what it would be like with busses being re-routed away from it

deadwood85 · 14-06-2016 6:07pm

For a full breakdown, check out the save parliament street page on Facebook,it contains a full report from a traffic consultant about just some of the damage this plan will do to that street.

MJohnston · 15-06-2016 9:16am

A little bit more info on that:

http://www.dublininquirer.com/2016/06/14/plan-increase-bus-traffic-1853-say-parliament-st-businesses/

I think their math is a little bit off however, if cars and motorcycles are banned from the street, how much of a reduction in current traffic will that have?

mille100piedi · 17-06-2016 10:34am

college green will be not so green if they are cutting all the trees

aliveandkicking · 17-06-2016 12:11pm

MJohnston wrote: »

A little bit more info on that:

http://www.dublininquirer.com/2016/06/14/plan-increase-bus-traffic-1853-say-parliament-st-businesses/

I think their math is a little bit off however, if cars and motorcycles are banned from the street, how much of a reduction in current traffic will that have?

What these businesses fail to address is that where all these buses currently run along Dame St and Westmoreland St businesses operate just fine with multitudes of buses running by their front doors all day. Why can those businesses operate but ones on Parliament St not? Also the whole damage the buildings argument is actually ludicrous. Last time I looked the Bank of Ireland Irish Parliament building and Trinity College were still standing despite all the buses going by. Again why would buildings on Parliament St be any different?

There are many reasons to argue against sending all these bus routes via Parliament St but what these businesses are putting forward is nothing short of nimbyism. It reminds me of the businesses on Harcourt St complaining at the time the Luas was being built that the Luas was going to destroy their livelihood and the street in general.

deadwood85 · 19-06-2016 2:00pm

aliveandkicking wrote: »

What these businesses fail to address is that where all these buses currently run along Dame St and Westmoreland St businesses operate just fine with multitudes of buses running by their front doors all day. Why can those businesses operate but ones on Parliament St not? Also the whole damage the buildings argument is actually ludicrous. Last time I looked the Bank of Ireland Irish Parliament building and Trinity College were still standing despite all the buses going by. Again why would buildings on Parliament St be any different?

There are many reasons to argue against sending all these bus routes via Parliament St but what these businesses are putting forward is nothing short of nimbyism. It reminds me of the businesses on Harcourt St complaining at the time the Luas was being built that the Luas was going to destroy their livelihood and the street in general.

Well on dame street,the footpaths are much larger for starters,secondly there are plenty of bus stops on dame street.

This plan for parliament street has no bus stops and they will remove the one bus stop that is there.

The width of dame street is nothing compared to the size of parliament street,the list goes on your whole post is ludicrous.

aliveandkicking · 19-06-2016 6:49pm

deadwood85 wrote: »

Well on dame street,the footpaths are much larger for starters,secondly there are plenty of bus stops on dame street.

This plan for parliament street has no bus stops and they will remove the one bus stop that is there.

The width of dame street is nothing compared to the size of parliament street,the list goes on your whole post is ludicrous.

No the footpaths are not wider on Dame St.

Parliament st's footpaths are not actually all that narrow.

Amazing how an abundance of shops and restaurants manage to operate on Dame St with narrow footpaths and nasty buses going by all day isn't it!

Why would more buses on Parliament St force the shops and restaurants there to close when it doesn't happen where the buses are now on Dame St? Why would offices on Parliament St lie vacant because of buses going by when the Dublin office market is booming?

Care to explain why this building has not yet been damaged by all noise and vibration from the nasty buses driving by so close yet the businesses on Parliament St expect us to believe buses will damage buildings on Parliament St?

deadwood85 · 19-06-2016 11:48pm

aliveandkicking wrote: »

No the footpaths are not wider on Dame St.

Parliament st's footpaths are not actually all that narrow.

Amazing how an abundance of shops and restaurants manage to operate on Dame St with narrow footpaths and nasty buses going by all day isn't it!

Why would more buses on Parliament St force the shops and restaurants there to close when it doesn't happen where the buses are now on Dame St? Why would offices on Parliament St lie vacant because of buses going by when the Dublin office market is booming?

Care to explain why this building has not yet been damaged by all noise and vibration from the nasty buses driving by so close yet the businesses on Parliament St expect us to believe buses will damage buildings on Parliament St?

Well genius, good for you being able to use street view,but you better get your measuring tape out,as the footpaths on Parliament street will have to be taken in to accommodate the bus way,and before your start quoting the article,get someone from the council to go on record saying they won't be taken in,,,now with your measuring tape,measure dame streets width and parliaments streets width and see if they match?you haven't a clue whats going on in the real world but make sure you keep an eye on it using street view ok genius

Spanish Eyes · 19-06-2016 11:57pm

Beginning to sound like that gallery owner on Harcourt Street who decried the LUAS back in the day. Silent now.

Anyway given the shortage of space in the city, Parliament Street is just another that has to adapt IMV. and if they have a bus stop there on either side it could be a + at the end of the day.

Nowhere in the City is immune from traffic or buses apart from Grafton, Mary, and Suffolk Streets now. If I am wrong please correct me. There is a huge bus stop line with lots of buses parked up in Merrion Square, didn't hear much from the denizens there about that. But I suppose they are just working in their offices and don't mind too much.

Dublin is congested. And always will be. Everyone has to co-operate and see how it works first before nagging beforehand IMV

deadwood85 · 20-06-2016 12:00am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Beginning to sound like that gallery owner on Harcourt Street who decried the LUAS back in the day. Silent now.

Anyway given the shortage of space in the city, Parliament Street is just another that has to adapt IMV. and if they have a bus stop there on either side it could be a + at the end of the day.

Nowhere in the City is immune from traffic or buses apart from Grafton, Mary, and Suffolk Streets now. If I am wrong please correct me. There is a huge bus stop line with lots of buses parked up in Merrion Square, didn't hear much from the denizens there about that. But I suppose they are just working in their offices and don't mind too much.

Dublin is congested. And always will be. Everyone has to co-operate and see how it works first before nagging beforehand IMV

There will not be any bus stop on Parliament street, the one stop that is there will be removed.

Spanish Eyes · 20-06-2016 12:04am

deadwood85 wrote: »

There will not be any bus stop on Parliament street, the one stop that is there will be removed.

Good. It is just another artery in a very crowded city, and not everyone can be precious about it at the end of the day.

Buses still go down Parliament Street don't they North to South? So what is the fekkin problem here? I suppose it is the volume of buses after the changes, but lots of other streets have to cope, and such is life.

deadwood85 · 20-06-2016 12:07am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Good. It is just another artery in a very crowded city, and not everyone can be precious about it at the end of the day.

Buses still go down Parliament Street don't they North to South? So what is the fekkin problem here? I suppose it is the volume of buses after the changes, but lots of other streets have to cope, and such is life.

no buses don't go down parliament street north to south,

Spanish Eyes · 20-06-2016 12:10am

deadwood85 wrote: »

no buses don't go down parliament street north to south,

Not trying to be a bad person here or anything, but I do remember the 69 and 79 turning right from Ormond Quay going down Parliament Street, but maybe that has changed since I last looked!

At the same time, in fairness that is not strictly N/S but you get the drift!

Happy to be corrected as things are changing so quickly now WRT to DB. Hard to keep up sometimes!

aliveandkicking · 20-06-2016 1:06am

deadwood85 wrote: »

Well genius, good for you being able to use street view,but you better get your measuring tape out,as the footpaths on Parliament street will have to be taken in to accommodate the bus way,and before your start quoting the article,get someone from the council to go on record saying they won't be taken in,,,now with your measuring tape,measure dame streets width and parliaments streets width and see if they match?you haven't a clue whats going on in the real world but make sure you keep an eye on it using street view ok genius

In the real world the planning drawing for Parliament St has been up on the DCC website for 2 months. Narrowing of the footpaths isn't necessary according to the drawing.

http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/Planning/Documents/RT%205158_3.1.pdf

I trust you have evidence or at least a link to support your claim that the existing roadway is not wide enough for north/south buses? Using your favourite Google streetview again I find that the roadway is actually wide enough for a Dublin Bus double decker and a private coach side by side with room to spare.

I notice you haven't addressed the questions put earlier of why businesses are at risk in Parliament St because of buses yet they don't seem to hamper business elsewhere in the city and also why buses will damage buildings on Parliament St but yet they don't damage equally old buildings elsewhere? Any chance of some sort of answer to these instead of insults directed at me?

LXFlyer · 20-06-2016 8:05am

deadwood85 wrote: »

no buses don't go down parliament street north to south,

The 69, 69x, 79 and 79a all operate along Parliament Street as it is.

LXFlyer · 20-06-2016 8:09am

The real issue with this proposal is the fact that, in addition to the extra distance involved, there will be extra sets of lights and two extra right turns to be negotiated which will inevitably lead to delays.

When fitted with the necessary retreated stop lines, Parliament St can fit a maximum of four standard length buses southbound and five northbound. That simply isn't enough space for all the bus routes that are planned to use it.

Add to all of that fitting bus stop space on the quays for the multitude of bus routes expected to use it, conflict with general traffic turning left at O'Connell Bridge into O'Connell St, and (I would expect) longer red lights at Capel St bridge for traffic along the North Quays, the need to allow a sequence for buses turning right off O'Connell Bridge onto the South Quays (in conflict with DCC's own desire to cut the traffic sequence there) and this is a near perfect recipe for chaos.

MJohnston · 20-06-2016 8:27am

lxflyer wrote: »

The real issue with this proposal is the fact that, in addition to the extra distance involved, there will be extra sets of lights and two extra right turns to be negotiated which will inevitably lead to delays.

When fitted with the necessary retreated stop lines, Parliament St can fit a maximum of four standard length buses southbound and five northbound. That simply isn't enough space for all the bus routes that are planned to use it.

Do any bus routes come west to east along Dame Street, or are any planned to?

LXFlyer · 20-06-2016 8:44am

MJohnston wrote: »

Do any bus routes come west to east along Dame Street, or are any planned to?

Right now?

From Lord Edward St: 13, 27, 40, 49, 54a, 56a, 77a, 123 and 150
From Georges St: 9, 14, 15, 15a, 15b, 16, 68, 68a, 83, 122, 140 and 142

Plan is for 49, 54a and 79 and 79a to terminate on Dame St - but even that will have issues as the plans only allow for one bus stand space.

MJohnston · 20-06-2016 9:01am

lxflyer wrote: »

Right now?

From Lord Edward St: 13, 27, 40, 49, 54a, 56a, 77a, 123 and 150
From Georges St: 9, 14, 15, 15a, 15b, 16, 68, 68a, 83, 122, 140 and 142

Plan is for 49, 54a and 79 and 79a to terminate on Dame St - but even that will have issues as the plans only allow for one bus stand space.

I was just wondering whether they'll have flexibility to drastically increase bus priority from Parliament onto Dame Street, due to the reduction in private car traffic in the area.

LXFlyer · 20-06-2016 9:06am

MJohnston wrote: »

I was just wondering whether they'll have flexibility to drastically increase bus priority from Parliament onto Dame Street, due to the reduction in private car traffic in the area.

There are no plans for any bus priority on Dame St.

MJohnston · 20-06-2016 9:30am

lxflyer wrote: »

There are no plans for any bus priority on Dame St.

Right, but I'm wondering about the feasibility of it, not the current plans

trellheim · 20-06-2016 11:11am

Isnt this all coming up for discussion at the next transport SPC

[ Previous minutes HERE ]

http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-your-council-strategic-policy-committees-corporate-policy-group-transportation-spc

LXFlyer · 20-06-2016 11:31am

Quite correct - it certainly is.

College Green Plaza -- public consultation open

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