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05-03-2021, 10:31   #3511
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I'm fine with this is under investigation.
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What exactly is fuelling their opposition to getting vaccinated?
I think vaccination is fine. It's about their religious worship practices, which are incompatible with social distancing, and the community would rather get sick and die than forgo their religious activities.

Insanely high case numbers therefore happen when you have millions of people mixing in close contact with no health measures.

For example, this funeral in January:
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Lorcainide was an anti arrhythmia drug prescribed in the 80s and 90s. Somewhere in the region of have 100,000 people are estimated to have died from it. All those people you'd think it would have been noticed. It was but it wasn't really published or properly documented. It took the greater part of a decade for the risks to be widely known. Medicine and science is full of stuff like this where what should be obvious very rarely was perceived that way until it becomes obvious with hindsight. There could exists a plethora of documented cases of covid related stillbirths or there might not.

Just because you think other people should have spotted something doesn't mean they did. Ireland may be the first country to actively probe the issue.

That said I don't think there's anything here. It just needs to be investigated to know for sure. Assuming there's nothing because others should have seen something can often be a dangerous assumption.
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Speaking of scaremongering, necessary or otherwise, whatever happened to Kawasaki disease in children which featured prominently in the early days of the pandemic as being possibly caused by coronavirus.
I haven’t heard much about it recently ?
There was an article in one of the newspapers last week about it. Family had covid at Christmas and child became very sick just in recent weeks. Been a good few hospitalisations in Ireland with it. Scary thing but doesn’t appear too common thankfully.
Different article but similar story.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40229072.html

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Lorcainide was an anti arrhythmia drug prescribed in the 80s and 90s. Somewhere in the region of have 100,000 people are estimated to have died from it. All those people you'd think it would have been noticed. It was but it wasn't really published or properly documented. It took the greater part of a decade for the risks to be widely known. Medicine and science is full of stuff like this where what should be obvious very rarely was perceived that way until it becomes obvious with hindsight. There could exists a plethora of documented cases of covid related stillbirths or there might not.

Just because you think other people should have spotted something doesn't mean they did. Ireland may be the first country to actively probe the issue.

That said I don't think there's anything here. It just needs to be investigated to know for sure. Assuming there's nothing because others should have seen something can often be a dangerous assumption.
For something so preliminary and speculative we also have a common name (Covid Placentitis) for it? Needless doom mongering and Glynn could easily have sidestepped that question if he wanted to.
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To put it into context: 70% of 12914 = 9039 hospitalized
70% of 1296 = 907 went to ICU
I'm not 100% sure on the percentages, but it's up there around 70% over the past 12 months.
Yes, this is the risk, and those are bad numbers. The risks have been kept in check by low infections due to restrictions. If we reach for example, half the population vaccinated, half the population not, then with a relaxation of restrictions, hospitalisations and deaths will soar. It will be far more dangerous in the coming months for the unvaccinated than it is today.
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It's very easy for some to react to anything negative as 'unnecessary scaremongering' when they themselves just don't want to hear it. Funnily enough, it's usually from the same cohort that religiously watch RTE, while complaining about what a sham it is, while telling others "if they're scared they should stay home"
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Bang on.

Its ironic really. The same cohort talk about 'hiding under the bed' and indulging in 'misery porn' when they are really just reflecting their own disillusionment and fear.

Sad people.
Reminds me of school and some students would claim they didn't lift a book to study ever and they encouraged their peers to do the same. Then they come out from the leaving cert with all honours over 500/550 points to 600. Doing very well and apparently without a tap of study done in years. While their peers come out doing poorly and their poor results show their lack of studies.

Many of these people writing publicly on forums of being proud to breaking lockdown and putting themselves at risk and encouraging spread of disease - are nearly spurring their readers to do the same - and they will emerge from this pandemic as healthy as possible. Just keyboard warriors being bored with lockdown and being safe behind their screens, tapping away at their keys.
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05-03-2021, 11:15   #3519
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I think vaccination is fine. It's about their religious worship practices, which are incompatible with social distancing, and the community would rather get sick and die than forgo their religious activities.

Insanely high case numbers therefore happen when you have millions of people mixing in close contact with no health measures.

For example, this funeral in January:

There was a mad article in I think New York Times recently. About orthodox community and covid. An eye opener.
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...so is it only in Ireland that there have been stillbirths, nowhere else in the world ?????
Really ?? That kinda beggars belief
Would you rather women didn't know? Keep them in blissful ignorance, because their doctors know best? Is that it?
I really thought we had put this kind of paternalism when it comes to women's health behind us.
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There was a mad article in I think New York Times recently. About orthodox community and covid. An eye opener.
Here it is. Well worth a read. Long article though

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-haredim.html
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Reminds me of school and some students would claim they didn't lift a book to study ever and they encouraged their peers to do the same. Then they come out from the leaving cert with all honours over 500/550 points to 600. Doing very well and apparently without a tap of study done in years. While their peers come out doing poorly and their poor results show their lack of studies.

Many of these people writing publicly on forums of being proud to breaking lockdown and putting themselves at risk and encouraging spread of disease - are nearly spurring their readers to do the same - and they will emerge from this pandemic as healthy as possible. Just keyboard warriors being bored with lockdown and being safe behind their screens, tapping away at their keys.
Weren't you trying to link rising cases with schools being open again since Monday of this week? The comment is from yesterday morning.
https://touch.boards.ie/thread/post/116473448
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For something so preliminary and speculative we also have a common name (Covid Placentitis) for it? Needless doom mongering and Glynn could easily have sidestepped that question if he wanted to.
Setting the age range of death to 0-96 was always going to cause questions
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Does anyone know of any protests happening this weekend in Dublin?

Would be interesting to see how the Garda would react this time. I think they deserved a lot of respect last weekend dealing with the scum of our society.
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The advice came as a parish in west Dublin stopped handing out communion to 130 parishioners on Sundays, after gardaí advised it should not be doing so.

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"They used to come through the main entrance of the church, receive communion and leave through the exit door. On these days we were having 130 people over a period of two hours," Fr Mathew said.

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Fr Binoy Mathew, co-Parish Priest of Mountview and Blakestown Parish in Dublin, said that since November parishioners were visiting the Church of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in Huntstown to get communion after watching mass online on Sundays.
Well it seems that not only young people are breaking covid regulations to party. I'm not surprised but a bit sad to not see any fines handled - if anybody else was doing it (think of a shop doing click and collect now - "customers used to come through the main entrance of the shop, receive their packages and leave through the exit door" ) I'm sure it would have made the headlines.

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