Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Cork2021 wrote: »

Was it not a bit irresponsible from NPHET to say Covid could be an issue in some stillbirths? Could they have waited for this study to be released..

https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1367760675280465921?s=21

They didn't say that, they said cases were under investigation by the coroner. It was probably prompted by the age range of reported deaths now including zero, 0-96.

is_that_so wrote: »

They didn't say that, they said it was under investigation by the coroner. It was probably prompted by the age range of reported deaths now including zero, 0-96.

Well it’s splashed over the front pages this morning scaring the living ****e out of my pregnant wife and more then likely others!

prunudo wrote: »

To be fair to them, its the media pushing this and not nphet. Glynn neither dismissed or confirmed it and actually tried to quell the fear.

The media will also blame Glynn for over exaggeration and sensationalism if it turns out to be nothing.

A question regarding Israel

How have they had 4000 cases yesterday and 2000 today with 52% of the population having had one dose and 39% being fully vaccinated ?


The numbers seem very large for a country with a population of 9 million.

You would imagine that with over 100 million cases of Covid worldwide, someone somewhere would have noticed an increase in the incidence of stillbirths if it was an issue. All this sounds to me like a load of bunkum that the medics and scientists should not be giving any credence! It raises fears and anxiety unnecessarily, as if we didn’t have enough to worry about already.

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, but that's not NPHETs fault. It's our somewhat hysterical media. We'll see what comes out of the investigation.

Well let me put it to you this way.

Out of a total Covid case count of 115,000,000 worldwide there has been 11 reported cases of covid placentitis worldwide up to the end of 2020.

So you would imagine that to have 4 cases of this extremely rare complication confined to a small island within a few weeks would be incredibly unlikely wouldn’t it? Surely given this you would need to confirm it before any kind of speculation?

So my problem here is that Ronan Glynn knows all this. He also knows that public fear is the most valuable currency in NPHETS playbook.

After all Tony Holohan has expressed several times his concern that the public aren’t scared enough.

So I think it’s shortsighted to blame the media solely here. Ronan Glynn knows EXACTLY what he’s doing.

More Info here for anyone who doesn’t get their information from Irish media or NPHET:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0143400421000205

Sanjuro wrote: »

What exactly is fuelling their opposition to getting vaccinated?

Its non-compliance with gathering restrictions mostly - coming together en mass for religious reasons.
Same thing was seen in New York with the orthodox Jews

Cork2021 wrote: »

Being discussed on morning Ireland this morning, did anyone listen? I’m at work so can’t. Love to see if they’re still running with it even though it’s bollix. Read the replies to the tweet!

https://twitter.com/morningireland/status/1367738895065038851?s=21

A quote from this article
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40238300.html

‘However, Prof McKenna said it seemed unusual that health authorities were only hearing of the issue at this stage, a year into a pandemic. There had been thousands of births in Ireland in the past year and millions throughout the world. If there was a frequency of such incidents it would have come to light in other countries, he said.‘


Whoever is behind this story in Ireland knows exactly what they’re doing. It’s really sinister the mind games they’re trying to play. It will have the opposite effect to what they desire, people will stop believing everything.

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Well let me put it to you this way.

Out of a total Covid case count of 115,000,000 worldwide there has been 11 reported cases of covid placentitis worldwide up to the end of 2020.

So you would imagine that to have 4 cases of this extremely rare complication confined to a small island within a few weeks would be incredibly unlikely wouldn’t it? Surely given this you would need to confirm it before any kind of speculation?

So my problem here is that Ronan Glynn knows all this. He also knows that public fear is the most valuable currency in NPHETS playbook.

After all Tony Holohan has expressed several times his concern that the public aren’t scared enough.

So I think it’s shortsighted to blame the media solely here. Ronan Glynn knows EXACTLY what he’s doing.

More Info here for anyone who doesn’t get their information from Irish media or NPHET:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0143400421000205

I'm fine with this is under investigation and we know that COVID deaths include possibles as well. This is the usual poor media approach to science, publish the salacious headlines first and then get lots of mileage out of "balancing" both sides of the equation.

Sanjuro wrote: »

What exactly is fuelling their opposition to getting vaccinated?

I think vaccination is fine. It's about their religious worship practices, which are incompatible with social distancing, and the community would rather get sick and die than forgo their religious activities.

Insanely high case numbers therefore happen when you have millions of people mixing in close contact with no health measures.

For example, this funeral in January:

Lorcainide was an anti arrhythmia drug prescribed in the 80s and 90s. Somewhere in the region of have 100,000 people are estimated to have died from it. All those people you'd think it would have been noticed. It was but it wasn't really published or properly documented. It took the greater part of a decade for the risks to be widely known. Medicine and science is full of stuff like this where what should be obvious very rarely was perceived that way until it becomes obvious with hindsight. There could exists a plethora of documented cases of covid related stillbirths or there might not.

Just because you think other people should have spotted something doesn't mean they did. Ireland may be the first country to actively probe the issue.

That said I don't think there's anything here. It just needs to be investigated to know for sure. Assuming there's nothing because others should have seen something can often be a dangerous assumption.

Turtwig wrote: »

Lorcainide was an anti arrhythmia drug prescribed in the 80s and 90s. Somewhere in the region of have 100,000 people are estimated to have died from it. All those people you'd think it would have been noticed. It was but it wasn't really published or properly documented. It took the greater part of a decade for the risks to be widely known. Medicine and science is full of stuff like this where what should be obvious very rarely was perceived that way until it becomes obvious with hindsight. There could exists a plethora of documented cases of covid related stillbirths or there might not.

Just because you think other people should have spotted something doesn't mean they did. Ireland may be the first country to actively probe the issue.

That said I don't think there's anything here. It just needs to be investigated to know for sure. Assuming there's nothing because others should have seen something can often be a dangerous assumption.

For something so preliminary and speculative we also have a common name (Covid Placentitis) for it? Needless doom mongering and Glynn could easily have sidestepped that question if he wanted to.