Siemens SPC 4320

johnny_adidas · 12-11-2015 11:07pm #1

Hi all, Im going away in 2 weeks for about 6 months and want to get an alarm diy-ed before i leave.

House has 1 door to front, 2 accessible first floor windows, large rear patio door off kitchen, workshop to rear. VM broadband. 2 indoor cats & a dog

Shopping List
Siemens 4320 panel
1 x HKC RF ECHO internal sounder
1 x Siemens IMKW610 door contact for front
2 x HKC RF SABB Wireless bell (front & workshop)
1 dummy box ???
2 x Siemens ADMI12W1 wireless PIRs pet friendly (landing, kitchen to rear)
1 x Wireless PIR with camera ??? (hall)
1 Siemens ADMI12W1 wireless PIR (for workshop)
2 x Siemens IRCW611 key fobs

Is there anything I have left out or recommend an alternative?
Is 2 weeks enough time to get the above fitted and fine tuned? or should i go with a simpler Yale EF-KIT3 Easy Fit Smart Phone Alarm Kit

Would anyone hazard a guess at cost within €100

Finally can I walk into Reliable Security tomorrow and get these items? If not, where could I do this or order online for quick delivery?

johnny_adidas · 12-11-2015 11:34pm

I see securitydirect do a hkc p2 alarm kit. Is there anywhere that does similar kits by Siemens?

KoolKid · 13-11-2015 12:51am

You are not covering much perimeter wise. Other than than you have most of it covered.
I would prefer the Pyronix Delta Bell over the HKC one. Much higher profile & so a better deterrent.

REW in Ballymount and Finglas would have everything on the list.
RWL in Ballymount would have the Delta Bells.

Sequence 365 · 13-11-2015 1:21am

HKC wireless bells will only work with HKC system

You are better off with a wired bell

Pyronix is a good choice Delta Bell X and it also backlit

johnny_adidas · 13-11-2015 3:46am

Thanks for your replies and advice

Is there a compatible wireless bell? Mainly because there were cables run provisionally in the house about 10 years ago but it's testing to find the correct track down the correct ones that will be time consuming/frustrating during the time I've left to get it done

Regarding perimeter protection, front is on a public road and very open so can't see much value in contact on the the gf window. Will also be picked up by pir.
Rear door is massive so practically impossible to open. Might consider two wireless contacts for the two accessible windows at rear though

Is there a compatible pir with camera or should I go with a dedicated camera?

KoolKid · 13-11-2015 8:44am

If there is a cable there for a bell it is easily located and tested using a meter or oscillator.
The downside to PiRs is that the alarm wont activate untill after the intruder gains entry.

johnny_adidas · 13-11-2015 11:14am

Found the cable for a bell

Delta bell e it is, not mad about an illuminated box

Do i need to ask the guys in REW for an engineer's code or anything?

KoolKid · 13-11-2015 2:46pm

Engineer code for what?
The illumination can be turned on or off.

johnny_adidas · 13-11-2015 3:46pm

KoolKid wrote: »

Engineer code for what?
The illumination can be turned on or off.

I've seen it mentioned here in terms of panels, maybe it's other manufacturers.
The spc mobile app takes care of all that so??

One question re the pir detector in hall, does it need to point down the hall or will it be enough to bbe fixed halfway down the length facing across the hall (approx 1200 wide? I have a wire at that location but will use wireless if it needs to face down the length of hall

KoolKid · 13-11-2015 4:28pm

A new panel would come with default engineer codes. Ideally the PiR should point up or down the hall. If it's on a side wall try angle it one way or the other.

johnny_adidas · 13-11-2015 6:23pm

KoolKid wrote: »

A new panel would come with default engineer codes. Ideally the PiR should point up or down the hall. If it's on a side wall try angle it one way or the other.

Thanks for all your help. Have it all in the boot on way home now. Does a fitting manual come with it or is it downloadable?

KoolKid · 13-11-2015 6:25pm

Its on a disc.
I'LL PM you it anyway & also the latest firmware. I'm not sure if they are shipping with 360 or higher yet.

bbability · 15-11-2015 2:14pm

Interested in this SPC 4320. just wondering is it 2 core/4 core if I go the wired option.

Any chance you could send me a copy of that disc KoolKid when you have a spare minute.

KoolKid · 15-11-2015 4:06pm

Zones can be wired in 2 cores if needed.
Keypad needs 4 cores.
I'll PM you the manual.

johnny_adidas · 15-11-2015 6:25pm

Where is the Panel reg ID? Dont see it on any of the documentation or on the panel itself?

KoolKid · 15-11-2015 6:29pm

Make sure the panel is upgraded to 3-6-0 or higher.
Goto engineer on the browser, communications, FlexC.

johnny_adidas · 15-11-2015 7:22pm

KoolKid wrote: »

Make sure the panel is upgraded to 3-6-0 or higher.
Goto engineer on the browser, communications, FlexC.

Can't access the panel using the ip address. Not sure if it's my network or the panel. At present it's not turning up even though I changed the ip address to a suitable setting using the Keypad.

bbability · 15-11-2015 7:44pm

Have you fixed IP address?

If you are connecting to the panel locally use local IP address. Something like 192.XXX.X.X

If you are trying to connect with external IP from within the house it won't work

johnny_adidas · 15-11-2015 7:55pm

bbability wrote: »

Have you fixed IP address?

If you are connecting to the panel locally use local IP address. Something like 192.XXX.X.X

If you are trying to connect with external IP from within the house it won't work

No using internal 192.168.0.100 to router at 192. 168.0.1. It may be the home plugs, will check that next

johnny_adidas · 15-11-2015 8:20pm

Home plugs working fine. At a loss now. Can ping it but not access it via browser. Not listed in the DHCP client list either.

So cant update it now either or get the panel id

KoolKid · 15-11-2015 8:21pm

To check if its connected enable DHCP & go back and look at the IP settings. You should see it changed to match the range & you should see the gateway assigned.

johnny_adidas · 15-11-2015 10:02pm

KoolKid wrote: »

To check if its connected enable DHCP & go back and look at the IP settings. You should see it changed to match the range & you should see the gateway assigned.

Turns up on the dhcp list now alright but still no access via browser

KoolKid · 15-11-2015 10:10pm

Are you going via HTTPS?
If you are on version 3-4-5 on internet explorer goto Internet Settings > Advanced > Security > Enable SSL3

johnny_adidas · 15-11-2015 10:39pm

now that ive enabled ssl3 im in using IE. Thanks

Unfortunately when i tried to register the panel on spc connect site using the serial number, it locked me out for the next two hours

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Edit: Updates now done and dusted. Just need to buy myself a battery and the RF receiver for the panel so I can install the Wireless contacts and PIRs. Thanks for all your help!!! Hopefully Ill manage the rest without too much hassle.

KoolKid · 15-11-2015 10:50pm

You don't use the serial number. After you update to 3-6-0 you will have a device ID that you can add. SPC Connect is only compatible with 3-6-0 and later.

johnny_adidas · 18-11-2015 3:55pm

Quick question re the wiring up parts from other suppliers (REW gave me these instead of the siemens versions) while I wait for the rf receiver

HKC Wired PIR

> Panel
12v+

> 12+
12v-

> 12-
Data

> 1C
Alarm1

> ???
Alarm2

> ???
Tamper1

> ???
Tamper2

> ???
(Currently lights up when sensing but no reaction from the alarm)

Generic pre-wired door contact

> Panel
Red

> ???
blue

> ???
Yellow

> ???

KoolKid · 18-11-2015 4:11pm

Have they given you HKC point ID PiRs???
The connections on the PiRs should be + - alarm alarm tamper tamper.
If the PiRs are wrong ask them to change for the Siemens wired. They are a much nicer unit IMO.

On prewired contacts it can be red/yellow alarm and black/blue tamper. You should meter them out to be sure.

johnny_adidas · 18-11-2015 5:19pm

Yes that's the layout in the hkc point id PIR Unfortunately can't return the item as i'm down the country. I'm also leaving tomorrow so need to get this sorted tonight before I go

KoolKid · 18-11-2015 5:26pm

Well Point ID devices won't work. I have no ideaidea why anyone would give you those with a Siemens Panel.
your contacts up and running is the best start I suppose.

fred funk }{ · 18-11-2015 5:39pm

HKC PIR's will work as point ID or standard. I use them all of them time and find them very reliable, nothing wrong with them.

johnny_adidas · 18-11-2015 6:41pm

fred funk }{ wrote: »

HKC PIR's will work as point ID or standard. I use them all of them time and find them very reliable, nothing wrong with them.

The attached is what I got. Anyone able to say which cable goes where?

KoolKid · 18-11-2015 7:11pm

Yes those are OK
If you are not using EOL resistors go with the top diagram & wire with 6 cores.

RED +
Black -
Blue & Yellow Tamper Tamper
Green & White Alarm Alarm
Wire alarm into zone input & tamper into aux tamper in series with other tampers.

If you are using Duel EOL resistors go with the middle diagram
Red +
Black -
Blue & Yellow to the terminals shown and back to the zone input on the panel.
Make sure the zone configuration for EOL matches what you set the links for on the PiR.

johnny_adidas · 19-11-2015 12:55am

Thanks for your help guys but im gona have to give up. As i said im gone in the morning and dont have time to rewire the wired sensors. The wireless ones are acting up. Even the walk test doesnt seem to work, just saying all zones tested. Probably going to have to get an installer in to sort out all the issues ive created.

bbability · 20-11-2015 1:55pm

Just to check the price I got today from supplier in Dublin.

Siemens 4320C with standard K/Pad is 280+vat. Sound about right??

johnny_adidas · 20-11-2015 8:24pm

Apologies as I don't have the receipt as I'm away.ill contact herself and get you an answer over the weekend

KoolKid · 20-11-2015 9:07pm

Not sure what 4320c refers to. It'sIt's not a standard product code that I know of. But the price sounds ok.

bbability · 21-11-2015 1:08am

Having trouble posting today. I rang another supplier on the list and same price. The product code is of course SPC4320 with standard key pad. Again like johnny addidas I've been quoted for HKC Bell and it sounded like HKC contacts and sensors and 2 PIRs. I'm sticking with wired system. When I'm out there I'll ask for the delta bell.

KoolKid · 21-11-2015 1:15am

Pyronix Delta external bell will be cheaper. So will Siemens pirs etc.

johnny_adidas · 21-11-2015 12:37pm

bbability wrote: »

Having trouble posting today. I rang another supplier on the list and same price. The product code is of course SPC4320 with standard key pad. Again like johnny addidas I've been quoted for HKC Bell and it sounded like HKC contacts and sensors and 2 PIRs. I'm sticking with wired system. When I'm out there I'll ask for the delta bell.

FYI REW dont stock the delta bell

fergalom · 21-11-2015 2:04pm

johnny_adidas wrote:

FYI REW dont stock the delta bell

Rwl do pyronix bells, not too far from rew,got one there recently

KoolKid · 21-11-2015 3:26pm

Also if you are using REW in Finglas .Northwood Technology would be near enough to you. They stock them as well.

bbability · 21-11-2015 8:00pm

KoolKid wrote: »

Also if you are using REW in Finglas .Northwood Technology would be near enough to you. They stock them as well.

REW in Finglas put me through to Ballymount when I rang. I'm sure they'll send the stuff over to finglas. I want it all to be Siemens though and a delta bell.

KoolKid · 21-11-2015 10:07pm

The guys in Ballymount would be better up on intruder products, but they would have Siemens in stock in Finglas also.

DublinDilbert · 25-11-2015 8:23pm

Hi All,

Has anyone had any problems getting the SPC to work with the new UPC modems (TC7200)? Got a new modem from UPC, have setup port forwarding on port 443, but still can't get the panel to connect to the portal.

Anyone seen this before? the panel was working great with old UPC modem / router.

bbability · 25-11-2015 8:30pm

What way was the port forwarding on old router. Make sure you have it set for port in and out

DublinDilbert · 25-11-2015 8:45pm

bbability wrote: »

What way was the port forwarding on old router. Make sure you have it set for port in and out

Yea i'm forwarding port 443 onto the internal IP address of the panel.

I'm not too familiar with this modem, so i've turned off most of the things I can think of. I'm wondering are UPC/virgin running IP6 addresses underneath with these new modems.

KoolKid · 25-11-2015 10:01pm

DublinDilbert wrote: »

Hi All,

Has anyone had any problems getting the SPC to work with the new UPC modems (TC7200)? Got a new modem from UPC, have setup port forwarding on port 443, but still can't get the panel to connect to the portal.

Anyone seen this before? the panel was working great with old UPC modem / router.

Are you on version 3-6-0 or higher? If so you don't need port forwarding.
If you are on 3-4-5 or lower the SSL issue is probably blocking it so try turning off encryption on the panel .

DublinDilbert · 25-11-2015 10:30pm

KoolKid wrote: »

Are you on version 3-6-0 or higher? If so you don't need port forwarding.
If you are on 3-4-5 or lower the SSL issue is probably blocking it so try turning off encryption on the panel .

Yep on 3.6 firmware, i couldn't remember if port forwarding was needed or not.

Looks like UPC might be doing some sort of IPV6/IPV4 trick, although when I ran some IPV6 tests they all failed. It doesn't seem to like the panel making an out-bound connection on the SSL port.

KoolKid · 25-11-2015 10:33pm

DublinDilbert wrote: »

It doesn't seem to like the panel making an out-bound connection on the SSL port.

Have you tried it with SSL off or on a different port?

DublinDilbert · 25-11-2015 10:52pm

KoolKid wrote: »

Have you tried it with SSL off or on a different port?

I've no problem logging in locally via the web browser and SSL. Does it actually use SSL over port 443 to communicate with the monitoring station?

RCT TCP Port is set to 52000 The TCP Port of the RCT (e.g. The TCP Port that SPC ComXT is listening on). I've tried forwarding on that port and no luck.

KoolKid · 25-11-2015 11:00pm

I have heard of another person having similar issue but he couldn't log into the panel locally either across the network but could if connected directly.
Just wondering if you goto Communications>Services>and disable TLS would it help?

Siemens SPC 4320

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