Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

BloodBath · 17-07-2019 12:14am

notobtuse wrote: »

Nobody and no nation is perfect, but for a little over 240 years the United States has been a beacon for the world.

You have to be trolling at this stage.

archer22 · 17-07-2019 4:58am

notobtuse wrote: »

Nobody and no nation is perfect, but for a little over 240 years the United States has been a beacon for the world.

A "beacon" for whom though?...certainly not for the native Americans who were the subjects of the worst genocide in world history.

Or the millions of Africans dragged across the Atlantic to the slave markets of America.

Gatling · 17-07-2019 7:44am

Gringo180 wrote: »

It doesnt say alot for humanity, when the richest country on the planet cant even afford there citizens universal healthcare, some beacon to the world alright!

archer22 wrote: »

A "beacon" for whom though?...certainly not for the native Americans who were the subjects of the worst genocide in world history.

Or the millions of Africans dragged across the Atlantic to the slave markets of America.

Unfortunately not all true sure it's not but hey let's just make crap up

Odhinn · 17-07-2019 1:06pm

archer22 wrote: »

A "beacon" for whom though?...certainly not for the native Americans who were the subjects of the worst genocide in world history.

Or the millions of Africans dragged across the Atlantic to the slave markets of America.

Or the hundreds of thousands of people killed in their South East Asian excursion, the Iraq war and sponsorship of criminal regimes in latin america.

Gatling · 17-07-2019 1:08pm

So Iran admitted they have the missing tanker MH RIAH after suffering some kind of technical difficulty it was towed to an Iranian facility ,
The odd part is the owners have had zero contact with the ships crew and it's maritime transponder was deliberately switched off ,

Which suggests that the ship was actually sized by Iranian forces who shut down/ disabled the tracking transponder.
Add the fact that zero communications with the crew or vessel before , during and after suffering technical issues near Iran

https://news.yahoo.com/latest-iran-confirms-arrested-french-083917423.html

Gatling · 17-07-2019 1:10pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Or the hundreds of thousands of people killed in their South East Asian excursion,

Were they the only ones involved in the south east Asia ,

Odhinn · 17-07-2019 2:02pm

Gatling wrote: »

Were they the only ones involved in the south east Asia ,

. The point, however, is that the USA has been less than a "beacon" on a number of occassions through out its recent history. Nobody is holding up China, Russia etc as such.

notobtuse · 17-07-2019 2:16pm

archer22 wrote: »

A "beacon" for whom though?...certainly not for the native Americans who were the subjects of the worst genocide in world history.

Or the millions of Africans dragged across the Atlantic to the slave markets of America.

Again... Nobody and no nation is perfect. But if there was no US, what would the world look like? I think life on this planet earth would likely be pretty grim at this point. No country has given so much to so many so often, while asking for so little in return, for so little gratitude than the US. The fact is the US is the envy of the world… and rightfully so.

Fiery mutant · 17-07-2019 2:28pm

Odhinn wrote: »

. Nobody is holding up China, Russia etc as such.

That's because there is no possible way to hold either China or Russia up as beacons of anything, bar being world leaders in human rights violations.

Hobosan · 17-07-2019 2:47pm

archer22 wrote: »

A "beacon" for whom though?...certainly not for the native Americans who were the subjects of the worst genocide in world history.

Or the millions of Africans dragged across the Atlantic to the slave markets of America.

Native American genocide... The modern equivalent to 'Blood Libel'.

notobtuse · 17-07-2019 3:27pm

Hobosan wrote: »

Native American genocide... The modern equivalent to 'Blood Libel'.

You do realize that was all started and became set standards before independence... when Europe controlled what is now the US? It was America who set out to right the wrongs, although it did take far too long... even took a civil war costing 2 percent of the population... and some bumps in the road to justice were experienced.

Hobosan · 17-07-2019 3:47pm

notobtuse wrote: »

You do realize that was all started and became set standards before independence... when Europe controlled what is now the US? It was America who set out to right the wrongs, although it did take far too long... even took a civil war costing 2 percent of the population... and some bumps in the road to justice were experienced.

Well yes, but I'm going further than that by comparing it to Blood Libel, which was a myth to smear Jews, which proclaimed they abducted children for satanic human sacrifice rituals.

The population of Native North Americans is estimated to be at most 3 million before Europeans arrived. This dropped to around 500,000 around 4 centuries later when census records began.

There are many factors which led to this decline, including some massacres by certain factions which happens when people fight eachother. It was not a systematic genocide, never mind "the worst genocide in the history of the world".

The 3 million figure is arrived at by calculating population densities and carrying capacity of all other hunter gatherer populations around the world and mapping it onto North America.

Before this, idiots would pull figures like 20 million out of their asses and shout genocide.

It's a complete myth.

Gatling · 18-07-2019 11:40am

Don't know if it's the MH RIAH which disappeared over the weekend or they (Iran) have siezed another tanker claiming it was smuggling oil

http://news.sky.com/story/iran-seizes-foreign-tanker-with-12-crew-accused-of-smuggling-oil-11765614

Gatling · 18-07-2019 12:00pm

Gatling wrote: »

Don't know if it's the MH RIAH which disappeared over the weekend or they (Iran) have siezed another tanker claiming it was smuggling oil

http://news.sky.com/story/iran-seizes-foreign-tanker-with-12-crew-accused-of-smuggling-oil-11765614

Same vessel iran claimed suffered technical issues and had to be towed,
Now confirmed that they siezed the tanker MH RIAH

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 3:03pm

Gatling wrote: »

Same vessel iran claimed suffered technical issues and had to be towed,
Now confirmed that they siezed the tanker MH RIAH

Confusion right now if this even happened. Iran claiming different things. I wait for proper confirmation from the owners of the ship.

Gatling · 18-07-2019 3:45pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Confusion right now if this even happened. Iran claiming different things. I wait for proper confirmation from the owners of the ship.

Iran has confirmed it Iranian revolutionary guard siezed the vessel and said an Iranian court issued a warrant saying the tanker was smuggling oil .

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 5:39pm

Gatling wrote: »

Iran has confirmed it Iranian revolutionary guard siezed the vessel and said an Iranian court issued a warrant saying the tanker was smuggling oil .

Nobody wants to claim ownership for this ship i find that suspicious. Surely if belongs to some country there be claim made already. UAE, Saudis, UK and United States are not sayng anything. There a possibility the ship was spying in Iranian waters. I just find it strange nobody yet wants to claim the ship.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 5:41pm

Gatling wrote: »

Same vessel iran claimed suffered technical issues and had to be towed,
Now confirmed that they siezed the tanker MH RIAH

It seems to be a large ship and not a huge oil tanker. It can carry oil, but not a tanker the size we have seen recently.

notobtuse · 18-07-2019 5:49pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Nobody wants to claim ownership for this ship i find that suspicious. Surely if belongs to some country there be claim made already. UAE, Saudis, UK and United States are not sayng anything. There a possibility the ship was spying in Iranian waters. I just find it strange nobody yet wants to claim the ship.

I've found little is said in these type of matters until the safety of the crew is obtained.

Varik · 18-07-2019 5:50pm

Iran hasn't said what ship it is people think it's the UAE ship. Ships disappeared right around that time.

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Where it disappeared just on the iran side of the strait, ship was moving at a steady pace and it's not like it was very far into Iranian waters to make it any easier to spy.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 5:51pm

Iran released footage of the tanker. I love to know who was onboard the ship, any foreign nationals?

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1151879355863392256

Gatling · 18-07-2019 5:54pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It seems to be a large ship and not a huge oil tanker. It can carry oil, but not a tanker the size we have seen recently.

It's a tanker carrying over a million barrels of oil ,
Not all tankers are super sized ,
Iran Said it was smuggling said oil to foreign countries ,

For all you know the UAE are keeping quiet working diplomatic relations to get the tanker released

The above post define foreigners most ships crews are usually mixed nationalities

But add the claims of they towed the ship due to it suffering technical issues

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 5:58pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's a tanker carrying over a million barrels of oil ,
Not all tankers are super sized ,
Iran Said it was smuggling said oil to foreign countries ,

For all you know the UAE are keeping quiet working diplomatic relations to get the tanker released

The above post define foreigners most ships crews are usually mixed nationalities

Looks too small to carry a million barrels, likely be lower then that.

Smuggling oil from where?

Its possible UAE is keeping quiet for diplomatic reasons.

Gatling · 18-07-2019 6:09pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Looks too small to carry a million barrels, likely be lower then that.

Smuggling oil from where?

No idea where or why they were smuggling oil from states that export oil ,or why Iranian courts believe they have jurisdiction .

Dangerous game they are playing - sooner or later they will get a reaction they won't like

ArchXStanton · 18-07-2019 6:18pm

Gatling wrote: »

No idea where or why they were smuggling oil from states that export oil ,or why Iranian courts believe they have jurisdiction .

Dangerous game they are playing - sooner or later they will get a reaction they won't like

Maybe its a reaction to...ya know...the Brits hijacking their ship,or is that OK when the US and its poodle do that?

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 8:16pm

Early reports coming in a US warship- USS Boxer, near the Strait of Hormuz last known position has destroyed or shot down an Iranian drone. Trump ordered it.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 8:21pm

Bloomberg reporter.

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1151933146990088194

archer22 · 18-07-2019 8:22pm

The warmongers can take their jerking hands off their mickeys now!

It appears to be only an internal Iranian matter...seems the tanker was buying oil from unauthorised Iranian sellers.

Gatling · 18-07-2019 8:23pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Bloomberg reporter.

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1151933146990088194

So trump didn't order it , thought he will claim credit

Ships Captain did .

Scores are now tied at 1-1

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 8:27pm

Gatling wrote: »

So trump didn't order it ,

Ships Captain did .

Scores are now tied at 1-1

Trump may have ordered it. Reckless if the Captain did on his own. You can start a war doing this.

It interesting development and Iran reaction to this we have to watch. US claiming they ordered theoperators of the drone to stand down, but i bet Iran will have a different account of events.

Gatling · 18-07-2019 8:31pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Trump may have ordered it. Reckless if the Captain did on his own. You can start a war doing this.

Yes it's called doing his or her duty likely the ships operating in the are have no go protective zone around them at all times

And of course iran will have a different claim of what happened but it will be different stories from the government, military and religious leaders

archer22 · 18-07-2019 8:34pm

If it was only 1000 yards away...then it must have been only a little one they had bought on Aliexpress.

Iran has lost a $150 drone.

It has probably cost America tens of thousands of Dollars to shoot it down :pac:

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 8:35pm

Gatling wrote: »

Yes it's called doing his or her duty likely the ships operating in the are have no go protective zone around them at all times

USS BOXER is operationing in Iranian border waters. It has every right to fly drones in the sky.

Trump announcing the shot down the drone. Bolton hoping Iran reacts!

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1151936090586177536

Gatling · 18-07-2019 8:39pm

On the same day this gets posted .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSqVVswa420

Varik · 18-07-2019 8:39pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

USS BOXER is operationing in Iranian border waters. It has every right to fly drones in the sky.

Trump announcing the shot down the drone. Bolton hoping Iran reacts!

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1151936090586177536

Are you reading that somewhere else.

The entire strait isn't Irans.

Gatling · 18-07-2019 8:41pm

Varik wrote: »

Are you reading that somewhere else.

The entire strait isn't Irans.

International waters by all accounts .

archer22 · 18-07-2019 8:43pm

Iran is running rings around them...America is looking more and more stupid and pathetic by the minute.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-07-2019 8:44pm

Varik wrote: »

Are you reading that somewhere else.

The entire strait isn't Irans.

It not east coast of America the drone was flying. It was flying over waters off the coast of Iran. US hostile sea deployments is causing the tension in the region. We have seen enough of this to know Trump and cronies are trying to box in Iran. The nuclear deal was scrapped by Trump and nobody else, all these moves are hostile acts.

jackboy · 18-07-2019 8:47pm

archer22 wrote: »

Iran is running rings around them...America is looking more and more stupid and pathetic by the minute.

How is this a win for Iran?

archer22 · 18-07-2019 8:50pm

jackboy wrote: »

How is this a win for Iran?

Because if the drone had to fly that near the ship then it was little more than a toy

Gatling · 18-07-2019 8:52pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It not east coast of America the drone was flying. It was flying over waters off the coast of Iran.

Flying towards a heavily armed vessel in international waters ,
Maybe they should have sent their revolutionary airforce instead might have scared off the American ship

ArchXStanton · 18-07-2019 9:22pm

Gatling wrote: »

So trump didn't order it , thought he will claim credit

Ships Captain did .

Scores are now tied at 1-1

The Dead Kennedys were writing songs about fellas like you back in the early 80s....scarily accurate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IavyqrEI6SY

mad muffin · 18-07-2019 9:33pm

archer22 wrote: »

Iran is running rings around them...America is looking more and more stupid and pathetic by the minute.

That’s an interesting statement. Interesting indeed…

Gringo180 · 18-07-2019 9:43pm

Funnily enough all this aggression from the U.S will make the Iranian people all the more determined. Pulling out of this nuclear deal has been a disaster and sends out a message for the future that you cannot trust the Americans.

What makes it even worse is the economic terror campaign brought onto every single citizen of Iran by the Americans, its just so counter productive.

Limpy · 18-07-2019 9:56pm

If you rewind the news every few years its always America and the lap dogs trying to change the government of countries, or to install puppets. Ordinary yanks don't care unless soldiers are Coming home in body bags. Nowadays they can just arm 'good' rebels and let them do the fighting which reduces the body bags going back home.

Gatling · 18-07-2019 9:57pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Funnily enough all this aggression from the U.S will make the Iranian people all the more determined.

What makes it even worse is the economic terror campaign brought onto every single citizen of Iran by the Americans, its just so counter productive.

The Iranian people or their supreme religious leaders and the revolutionary guard.

Because the people of Iran have no say in this zero . cleric's and old generals who support the same ideology the people of Iran don't support either ,do you forget the student protesters who were met with tanks and bullets when they asked for change .

The Iranian leadership Have being exporting terror for numbers of decades do you think the people of Iran want that either

Odhinn · 18-07-2019 9:58pm

Gatling wrote: »

The Iranian people or their supreme religious leaders and the revolutionary guard.

Because the people of Iran have no say in this zero . cleric's and old generals who support the same ideology the people of Iran don't support either ,do you forget the student protesters who were met with tanks and bullets when they asked for change .

The Iranian leadership Have being exporting terror for numbers of decades do you think the people of Iran want that either

Who was sponsoring the assasination program targeting Iranian nuclear scientists?

Limpy · 18-07-2019 9:59pm

Gatling wrote: »

The Iranian people or their supreme religious leaders and the revolutionary guard.

Because the people of Iran have no say in this zero . cleric's and old generals who support the same ideology the people of Iran don't support either ,do you forget the student protesters who were met with tanks and bullets when they asked for change .

The Iranian leadership Have being exporting terror for numbers of decades do you think the people of Iran want that either

Will you stop. The golden Boys of Saudi Arabia are responsible for more destruction in the west then any other country in the world.

But that's OK because the are our allies and buy our weapons.

ArchXStanton · 18-07-2019 10:04pm

Gatling wrote: »

The Iranian people or their supreme religious leaders and the revolutionary guard.

Because the people of Iran have no say in this zero . cleric's and old generals who support the same ideology the people of Iran don't support either ,do you forget the student protesters who were met with tanks and bullets when they asked for change .

The Iranian leadership Have being exporting terror for numbers of decades do you think the people of Iran want that either

Care to explain more about this exporting terror? I know another country with a long long list of regime changes/meddling,dubious reasons for starting wars with death tolls in the millions and is just an all round bully....and of course their people have no say in it

Gatling · 18-07-2019 10:14pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Who was sponsoring the assasination program targeting Iranian nuclear scientists?

Isreal supposedly.

Who's being killing their own population for wanting change....

Let's worry about the poor nuclear scientists helping weaponising nuclear energy

Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

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