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paddysdream · 22-01-2021 1:50am

gozunda wrote: »

Forget the idiots. The problem is that our hospitals ICUs are now close to being overrun. Hospital staff numbers are down due to many becoming infecteced.

Cases are up all over the country. Ditto deaths.

Just pray someone you know doesn't end up in hospital.

And thats why people are being asked to keep to the restrictions.

Anyone who doesn't has their heads stuck in the sand.

Thing is that nobody I know personally or in my wider family or circle of acquaintances has been in hospital with covid.Nobody in my immediate family or friends has had covid ie tested positive for it apart from a parent who contacted it in hospital.
Between spouse ,siblings and in laws there are 12 of us with only 3 working from home and 2 of those are farmers.All the rest are / were working without interruption since all this began.3 of those are frontline medical so either we are very lucky or a statistical anomaly

wrangler · 22-01-2021 9:38am

paddysdream wrote: »

Thing is that nobody I know personally or in my wider family or circle of acquaintances has been in hospital with covid.Nobody in my immediate family or friends has had covid ie tested positive for it apart from a parent who contacted it in hospital.
Between spouse ,siblings and in laws there are 12 of us with only 3 working from home and 2 of those are farmers.All the rest are / were working without interruption since all this began.3 of those are frontline medical so either we are very lucky or a statistical anomaly

Any one that abides by the restrictions improves their chances of avoiding it exponentially, I'd guess that 75% of those in hospital feel rightly ashamed of being stupid, they know where and why they got it. Belmullet is a prime example of that, the other 25% were probably providing essential services and doing their best.

I've said before I've a cousin testing in one of the most affected part of england since it started and has avoided it,

yosemitesam1 · 22-01-2021 10:25am

wrangler wrote: »

Any one that abides by the restrictions improves their chances of avoiding it exponentially, I'd guess that 75% of those in hospital feel rightly ashamed of being stupid, they know where and why they got it. Belmullet is a prime example of that, the other 25% were probably providing essential services and doing their best.

I've said before I've a cousin testing in one of the most affected part of england since it started and has avoided it,

A third of those with it in hospital caught it in there and another chunk of them were just pure unlucky. The amount in there who wouldn't have been following restrictions is probably in the minority.

The amount of healthcare workers identified as a positive or close contact is fairly massive. These are the people who are trained in washing hands and putting on masks. You're sample size of two cousins isn't very representative of what is actually going on...

wrangler · 22-01-2021 12:11pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

A third of those with it in hospital caught it in there and another chunk of them were just pure unlucky. The amount in there who wouldn't have been following restrictions is probably in the minority.

The amount of healthcare workers identified as a positive or close contact is fairly massive. These are the people who are trained in washing hands and putting on masks. You're sample size of two cousins isn't very representative of what is actually going on...

You're making light of this pandemic all along, obviously you're still not convinced despite the deaths, the third that got it in hospitals are mostly staff and as I said doing their best, when you're in the face of it 10 hrs a day the odds are you'll get it, but people out in the community can do better. Locally we had very little until people starting being careless at Christmas, I even forecast it a fortnight before it went rampant, it got into the school and infected some very risky patients, people going out to parties and then sending their children to school are lousy, one family were infected by their five year old

gozunda · 22-01-2021 12:39pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

A third of those with it in hospital caught it in there and another chunk of them were just pure unlucky. The amount in there who wouldn't have been following restrictions is probably in the minority.

The amount of healthcare workers identified as a positive or close contact is fairly massive. These are the people who are trained in washing hands and putting on masks. You're sample size of two cousins isn't very representative of what is actually going on...

In the first wave - hospitals were cleared to deal near exclusively with covid patients and to reduce risk of transmission to others

This has not been done this time for a variety of reasons. However with reduced staff numbers and increase of the number of covid positive patients - the risk of cross infection is now a significant problem.

Hospital staff also have a greater risk from contracting Covid due to dealing directly with patients and increased viral load compared to the general public. That regardless of mandatory mask wearing and hand washing by hospital staff.

As with any setting where people are congregated - rates of infection are going to increase. Thats why I said I hope people wont end up in hospital one way or the other.

Your example of those who were 'unlucky and a 'minority' not following restrictions doesn't add up either.

We can help stop the hospitals becoming overrun and reduce rates of infection by simply having a bit of cop on and common sense.

gozunda · 22-01-2021 1:10pm

paddysdream wrote: »

Thing is that nobody I know personally or in my wider family or circle of acquaintances has been in hospital with covid.Nobody in my immediate family or friends has had covid ie tested positive for it apart from a parent who contacted it in hospital.
Between spouse ,siblings and in laws there are 12 of us with only 3 working from home and 2 of those are farmers.All the rest are / were working without interruption since all this began.3 of those are frontline medical so either we are very lucky or a statistical anomaly

Maybe you are or otherwise. But that does not negate the rapid increase in the rate of infection to date

[Img]https://www.hpsc.ie/media/COVID19 Daily infographic_001.png[/img]

And again the issue is not whether someone believes they are not at risk but rather that our hospitals are under severe presure an ICUs are near full

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40212059.html

yosemitesam1 · 22-01-2021 1:32pm

gozunda wrote: »

Your example of those who were 'unlucky and a 'minority' not following restrictions doesn't add up either.

You'd think from reading on here that those in hospital are only there because they were flat out going to house parties, never wearing masks, going on foreign holidays and breaking every other restriction.
That is simply not the case, one third of those hospitilised caught it in hospital and the vast majority of people actually do follow restrictions closely. It's more a reflection of the impossibility of creating a perfect set of guidelines to halt spread completely.
Nowhere in the world has it been achieved but the whole cause of our problems in this country is down to that one in ten thousand who dont wear a mask while shopping, the pretty much non existant house parties, the vast amount of foreign travellers coming in every week, the people who go a little further than their 5km etc etc.

gozunda · 22-01-2021 2:06pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

You'd think from reading on here that those in hospital are only there because they were flat out going to house parties, never wearing masks, going on foreign holidays and breaking every other restriction.
That is simply not the case, one third of those hospitilised caught it in hospital and the vast majority of people actually do follow restrictions closely. It's more a reflection of the impossibility of creating a perfect set of guidelines to halt spread completely.
Nowhere in the world has it been achieved but the whole cause of our problems in this country is down to that one in ten thousand who dont wear a mask while shopping, the pretty much non existant house parties, the vast amount of foreign travellers coming in every week, the people who go a little further than their 5km etc etc.

No. I dont get that at all. Are there some people playing fast and lose with the restrictions? Apparently there are. That's all it takes

What we also know is that at present a
"third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus"* whilst in hospital.

Hospital staff and patients are catching it from other infected individuals in hospitals. As in other group settings - there is a known risk of higher rates of cross infection. The question is should we start moving non covid patients into other hospitals not dealing with Covid admissions?

The rate of community infection has also risen in the last month. That looks like its now reducing. Let's hope it keeps going that way.

*https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0119/1190599-coronavirus-ireland/

odyssey06 · 22-01-2021 2:10pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

You'd think from reading on here that those in hospital are only there because they were flat out going to house parties, never wearing masks, going on foreign holidays and breaking every other restriction.
That is simply not the case, one third of those hospitilised caught it in hospital and the vast majority of people actually do follow restrictions closely. It's more a reflection of the impossibility of creating a perfect set of guidelines to halt spread completely.
Nowhere in the world has it been achieved but the whole cause of our problems in this country is down to that one in ten thousand who dont wear a mask while shopping, the pretty much non existant house parties, the vast amount of foreign travellers coming in every week, the people who go a little further than their 5km etc etc.

Case numbers drop in response to restrictions.
Sure you can follow the guidelines and still get it, but that's not why we have a surge and hospitals overwhelmed.

The returning emigrants seemed to have partied hard over Christmas in Belmullet alright, and I'm sure that wasn't the only place.
People obviously didn't follow the guidelines in summer when they returned from abroad either, given the prevalence of a strain linked to Spain.

whelan2 · 22-01-2021 2:10pm

Thought I was going to have to go to casualty last night with one of the kids. To get to the kids casualty you walk through the adults one. Things would have to be very bad to consider making that trip st the moment

NcdJd · 22-01-2021 2:22pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Case numbers drop in response to restrictions.
Sure you can follow the guidelines and still get it, but that's not why we have a surge and hospitals overwhelmed.

The returning emigrants seemed to have partied hard over Christmas in Belmullet alright, and I'm sure that wasn't the only place.
People obviously didn't follow the guidelines in summer when they returned from abroad either, given the prevalence of a strain linked to Spain.

Whatever strain is going we'll have it here in no time. Aircrafts flying in and out of Dublin Airport no mandatory quarantine of these passengers we are basically fcked. EU needs to get its head out of it's arse and start restricting the movement of people going on non essential travel and mandatory quarantine for everyone else. Land air and sea. Every country should really be on a war footing with this virus. With every new strain there is the potential to set back vaccine roll out by months.

This bull**** about having a PCR test and then being "advised" to quarantine is a load of bollox.

Plenty of nice hotels around the three main airports.

22-01-2021 4:25pm

NcdJd wrote: »

Whatever strain is going we'll have it here in no time. Aircrafts flying in and out of Dublin Airport no mandatory quarantine of these passengers we are basically fcked. EU needs to get its head out of it's arse and start restricting the movement of people going on non essential travel and mandatory quarantine for everyone else. Land air and sea. Every country should really be on a war footing with this virus. With every new strain there is the potential to set back vaccine roll out by months.

This bull**** about having a PCR test and then being "advised" to quarantine is a load of bollox.

Plenty of nice hotels around the three main airports.

That's our own weak Governments fault.

_Brian · 22-01-2021 4:27pm

Enforced quarantine won’t work.

People will just fly onto Belfast and drive down the road.

We all know they will do this.

Lots of people say we should be able to do this like NZ as we’re an island. But were not a basic island nation. There’s no hope of cross border cooperation on this and doing it on our own is pointless.

22-01-2021 4:33pm

_Brian wrote: »

Enforced quarantine won’t work.

People will just fly onto Belfast and drive down the road.

We all know they will do this.

Lots of people say we should be able to do this like NZ as we’re an island. But were not a basic island nation. There’s no hope of cross border cooperation on this and doing it on our own is pointless.

EQ is what NPHET are asking for.

Remember before Christmas when they weren't listened to.

Make it plenty difficult for those folks who want to circumvent restrictions and a lot will think twice.

ruwithme · 22-01-2021 9:06pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/wedding-with-400-guests-discovered-at-north-london-school-1.4465278
BIG turnout for the wedding

foxy farmer · 24-01-2021 4:52pm

Probably gonna get slated for this. Anyway here goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGVPzrVJS5U

Neddyusa · 24-01-2021 5:56pm

wrangler wrote: »

You're making light of this pandemic all along, obviously you're still not convinced despite the deaths, the third that got it in hospitals are mostly staff and as I said doing their best, when you're in the face of it 10 hrs a day the odds are you'll get it, but people out in the community can do better. Locally we had very little until people starting being careless at Christmas, I even forecast it a fortnight before it went rampant, it got into the school and infected some very risky patients, people going out to parties and then sending their children to school are lousy, one family were infected by their five year old

Even if all the people you gossip about were being tested twice a week every week for the past year, you still couldn't say for definite who gave it to who first so that type of talk is basically nonsense.

endainoz · 24-01-2021 9:50pm

Neddyusa wrote: »

Even if all the people you gossip about were being tested twice a week every week for the past year, you still couldn't say for definite who gave it to who first so that type of talk is basically nonsense.

Hardly gossip when no names are being mentioned, it's not about getting the one up on someone from the town who was careless with other people's health. That behavior needs to be called out. The rest of your post is basically nonsense as you put it.

theaceofspies · 24-01-2021 11:09pm

foxy farmer wrote: »

Probably gonna get slated for this. Anyway here goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGVPzrVJS5U

Thumbs up from me. We need laughs.

whelan2 · 25-01-2021 8:01pm

Figures came down alot today. Hopefully that's the start of an improvement. Neighbour here has gone back into hospital, he got covid at Christmas and was in hospital then. He would only be 50

Water John · 25-01-2021 8:25pm

Monday figures can be shaky, esp the deaths figure.

Say my name · 25-01-2021 8:36pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Neighbour here has gone back into hospital, he got covid at Christmas and was in hospital then. He would only be 50

Heard of a case today where a woman in that age group went into hospital. Contracted covid in hospital. Never recovered and died there.

Serious serious times.

Neddyusa · 25-01-2021 8:38pm

endainoz wrote: »

Hardly gossip when no names are being mentioned, it's not about getting the one up on someone from the town who was careless with other people's health. That behavior needs to be called out. The rest of your post is basically nonsense as you put it.

It's an extremely contagious respiratory virus, even more easily transmissible than the flu.

Do you go about seeking people with "careless behaviour" to blame when someone in your house gets the flu?

Stop blaming your neighbours from behind squinting windows for something beyond anyones control. It's about as helpful as blaming your neighbours for getting TB, or
blaming the tide for going out or the sun for coming up in the morning.

endainoz · 25-01-2021 10:30pm

Neddyusa wrote: »

It's an extremely contagious respiratory virus, even more easily transmissible than the flu.

Do you go about seeking people with "careless behaviour" to blame when someone in your house gets the flu?

Stop blaming your neighbours from behind squinting windows for something beyond anyones control. It's about as helpful as blaming your neighbours for getting TB, or
blaming the tide for going out or the sun for coming up in the morning.

I'm not sure what your on about with the flu, I never said anything like that.

I'm not seeking out anybody, nor am I blaming neighbours for anything. The guidelines are pretty simple to understand, restricting movements is the best way to stop spreading it. It's not beyond a person's control if they are careless, which is what I said earlier.

Something careless like a house party up should the road should definitely be called out. The longer that sh1te goes on, the longer this will continue. I'm sure there are plenty of doom merchants who basque in this type of misery but I'm not one of them. I just want it to be over like most level headed people.

whelan2 · 26-01-2021 8:04pm

90 deaths today, first day under 1000 cases since Christmas eve

Iwantcoffeenai · 26-01-2021 8:21pm

I live in Belfast and have a private medical appointment in Dublin next week. Do the new restrictions allow me to travel? Are there checks on the M1?

Reggie. · 26-01-2021 8:40pm

Iwantcoffeenai wrote: »

I live in Belfast and have a private medical appointment in Dublin next week. Do the new restrictions allow me to travel? Are there checks on the M1?

Your allowed travel for medical reasons

Iwantcoffeenai · 26-01-2021 8:43pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Your allowed travel for medical reasons

That's what I thought though was just worried as it's cross border travel.

Base price · 26-01-2021 11:29pm

Iwantcoffeenai wrote: »

That's what I thought though was just worried as it's cross border travel.

Just remember to bring your appointment letter or email that you can show/on your phone if you are asked to produce it.

_Brian · 27-01-2021 1:04am

Really pissed me off to see the report on RTearlier from the airport and plane load landing back from Lanzarote, it’s careless people like this that are dragging out the covid problem and then blaming government for not fixing things.

Speaking with mam and she’s very down, a neighbour she was at school with died from covid today, a young man as she’d say herself, he was 76, same as her.

whelan2 · 27-01-2021 9:56am

_Brian wrote: »

Really pissed me off to see the report on RTearlier from the airport and plane load landing back from Lanzarote, it’s careless people like this that are dragging out the covid problem and then blaming government for not fixing things.

Speaking with mam and she’s very down, a neighbour she was at school with died from covid today, a young man as she’d say herself, he was 76, same as her.

What about the students coming in for learning english :eek:

_Brian · 27-01-2021 9:59am

whelan2 wrote: »

What about the students coming in for learning english :eek:

Yea.
That’s madness.
Where are they staying??

yosemitesam1 · 27-01-2021 10:10am

_Brian wrote: »

Really pissed me off to see the report on RTearlier from the airport and plane load landing back from Lanzarote, it’s careless people like this that are dragging out the covid problem and then blaming government for not fixing things.

Speaking with mam and she’s very down, a neighbour she was at school with died from covid today, a young man as she’d say herself, he was 76, same as her.

What is the endpoint for restrictions? Anyone want to guess?

whelan2 · 27-01-2021 10:15am

_Brian wrote: »

Yea.
That’s madness.
Where are they staying??

I dont know, but in a normal year they would be attending secondary school.

whelan2 · 27-01-2021 10:15am

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

What is the endpoint for restrictions? Anyone want to guess?

All restrictions or just a better way of living ?

yosemitesam1 · 27-01-2021 10:20am

whelan2 wrote: »

All restrictions or just a better way of living ?

A better way of living isnt possible with restrictions...

whelan2 · 27-01-2021 10:23am

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

A better way of living isnt possible with restrictions...

Better than what we are in now

_Brian · 27-01-2021 10:43am

whelan2 wrote: »

I dont know, but in a normal year they would be attending secondary school.

They are hardly boarding with families??

yosemitesam1 · 27-01-2021 10:49am

whelan2 wrote: »

Better than what we are in now

Look at the position we are in now.
Government increases restrictions and the reaction from media/politicians is we didn't go far enough.
Government absolutely sh1tting themselves that they will mess up, so will take super conservative approach to loosening or reimposing restrictions.
Too much free money being given out and not enough economic hardship.

Europes not in a much better position either to lead us out of this

Gawddawggonnit · 27-01-2021 11:27am

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

What is the endpoint for restrictions? Anyone want to guess?

Tell?

Gawddawggonnit · 27-01-2021 11:32am

Irish lad working here lost his Dad last weekend. He was admitted to hospital before Xmas for a routine procedure, got the virus and died a few weeks later.

I’m completely browned off with restrictions now, but as a high risk candidate my choices are limited.
Word here is that 2021 is a write off and that could include a large part of 2022. Lovely.

_Brian · 27-01-2021 11:46am

Restrictions aren’t designed as a way of living long term.

Restrictions are to try earn breathing space so we can cope in the short term while a system of vaccinations can be implemented and we get ourselves to a situation where we know enough about how to deal with this virus, including learning how best the vaccinations protect on both short and long term.

With restrictions suppressing infection rates we are just about coping in hospitals. Imagine the carnage if we were allowing a free for all in society. There would be massive viral loads in more and more patients causing soaring death rates and the age of the dead would continue to fall. Look to Brazil if you want to get a snapshot of what this would be like

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/14/brazil-manaus-amazonas-covid-coronavirus

Do people really think that short term restrictions, while really hard on society, aren’t better than ending up like that.

Add to the fact that more infections increases the chances of mutations which at some stage of unchecked will unleash full hell on society.

_Brian · 27-01-2021 11:52am

We should have guards in the airport arrivals.
Anyone returning from Non essential travel should be hit with the top fine and brought to hotel for quarantine at their expense on top of the fine. Selfish pricks.

_Brian · 27-01-2021 11:54am

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Irish lad working here lost his Dad last weekend. He was admitted to hospital before Xmas for a routine procedure, got the virus and died a few weeks later.

I’m completely browned off with restrictions now, but as a high risk candidate my choices are limited.
Word here is that 2021 is a write off and that could include a large part of 2022. Lovely.

French campsites that allowed people deferr their holiday last summer are putting on massive pressure for people to book dates for this summer or loose their momey.

One of the FB groups I’m on is a U.K. camping group and they are near all booking French sites at present and many planning multiple week long tours of multiple eu countries for this summer.

yosemitesam1 · 27-01-2021 12:01pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Tell?

I haven't a clue, I thought people would have cracked months ago. I don't see much of a way out though if we are to stay consistent with the logic that put us into lockdown mode. Either people crack or the economy starts to, or a mixture of the two, is the only way out I can see

NcdJd · 27-01-2021 12:05pm

I've an appointment next week to get an ultrasound on my liver. After watching Prime Time last night I'll be cancelling that appointment. There was a man on who caught covid while he was attending due to kidney problems. He was speaking with the Prime Time presenter via zoom a few days previously. His last words were something around the lines "I'm not ready to go yet". The presenter said last night he was in brought into hospital because his condition worsened. I found that heart breaking. When I get pissed off with things I snap out of it usually with the reasoning that at least I'm alive and not 6 foot under cause of this.

_Brian · 27-01-2021 12:13pm

NcdJd wrote: »

I've an appointment next week to get an ultrasound on my liver. After watching Prime Time last night I'll be cancelling that appointment. There was a man on who caught covid while he was attending due to kidney problems. He was speaking with the Prime Time presenter via zoom a few days previously. His last words were something around the lines "I'm not ready to go yet". The presenter said last night he was in brought into hospital because his condition worsened. I found that heart breaking. When I get pissed off with things I snap out of it usually with the reasoning that at least I'm alive and not 6 foot under cause of this.

Speaking to oh abkut the seemed increase in hospital infections. Presumed to be down to the arrival of the U.K. variant. Procedures in hospitals haven’t changed. This version is much easier transmitted.

Makes one wonder about schools returning. I expect our LC will be among first returning after special needs, not looking forward to that additional stress.

wrangler · 27-01-2021 12:18pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

I haven't a clue, I thought people would have cracked months ago. I don't see much of a way out though if we are to stay consistent with the logic that put us into lockdown mode. Either people crack or the economy starts to, or a mixture of the two, is the only way out I can see

No loss on farmers anyway
Loss of social life maybe but sure what's that,
We'll ride this out, wait'll you see.
We've miles available to walk with no risk.
and can drive any where as long as we've an animal on board

yosemitesam1 · 27-01-2021 12:20pm

_Brian wrote: »

Speaking to oh about the seemed increase in hospital infections. Presumed to be down to the arrival of the U.K. variant. Procedures in hospitals haven’t changed. This version is much easier transmitted.

Makes one wonder about schools returning. I expect our LC will be among first returning after special needs, not looking forward to that additional stress.

This has been going on since early December before any sign of UK variant. Back then there seemed to be a push to keep the numbers in hospital with covid lower than they really were.
The average nurse was wearing a standard surgical mask the last few months not a high grade mask (maybe this has changed since).
But maybe, just maybe, colds spread easier in winter. It was presumably assumed what worked in the summer would work perfectly during the winter...

wrangler · 27-01-2021 12:27pm

NcdJd wrote: »

I've an appointment next week to get an ultrasound on my liver. After watching Prime Time last night I'll be cancelling that appointment. There was a man on who caught covid while he was attending due to kidney problems. He was speaking with the Prime Time presenter via zoom a few days previously. His last words were something around the lines "I'm not ready to go yet". The presenter said last night he was in brought into hospital because his condition worsened. I found that heart breaking. When I get pissed off with things I snap out of it usually with the reasoning that at least I'm alive and not 6 foot under cause of this.

I doubt if that's true, it'd be a clever person that could pinpoint where they got the virus, I've been in half a dozen hospitals, GPs and consultants in the last six months and got nothing.
Just edited to say that I am not one to defend the Public service, but the precaution they take with non Covid patients is unreal

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