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26-10-2020, 23:26   #6121
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Scare-mongering, it would have to be the Telegraph.

We have no idea how long natural immunity lasts, or vaccine immunity, and the majority of experts in this area say that they expect reinfections (if they happen) will be milder for people with normal immune systems.

We know that patients with SARS1 have memory t-cells of the virus 17 years later.
Its a completely different virus. Both in how it 'hides' from Tcells and ages them 5-10 years.

Definately a worry.
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26-10-2020, 23:26   #6122
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https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/st...699701249?s=20
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26-10-2020, 23:29   #6123
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Thanks. I'll see how i feel tomorrow. I would feel stupid for overreacting and taking up resources.
Im going to stay at home. Ive only been out for shopping anyway.
Best of luck!!
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Interesting perspective from Irish Public Health Doctor in Australia.
Breaks down exactly how they did it and can compare directly to Ireland as worked there too.


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Scare-mongering, it would have to be the Telegraph.

We have no idea how long natural immunity lasts, or vaccine immunity, and the majority of experts in this area say that they expect reinfections (if they happen) will be milder for people with normal immune systems.

We know that patients with SARS1 have memory t-cells of the virus 17 years later.
I bought a subscription to the Telegraph - it wasn't that pricey - just to get the opposing view on things like Brexit etc. I don't agree with any of it, but I thought it's good to see things from the other side too, even if you don't agree. But I find myself amazed at how truly mental it actually is on just about everything: they're totally deluded! I find myself laughing at the impeccably myopic and reactionary nonsense - but then I remember that this is an approximation of how the UK establishment sees the world.

Right now their headline article is "Boris and Co won’t get away with threatening our Christmas"
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Telegraph have story on potential immunity given by any vaccine. https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1...385873408?s=19
The anti body response in vaccine trials so far has proven stronger than in those who actually got covid.

I'm sure its factored into the trials, data & on going research around multiple vaccines.

T Cells also get a mention there in that article and they appear to be a key target, Oxford for example have so far proven a robust T Cell response
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Wow Leo on a positive note comparing us to Israel. Not a valid comparison, mush more strict there.
  • 1 km distance from home
  • Schools closed
  • Christmas cancelled (Yom Kippur)

If I had to guess maybe we are being primed for an extended school closure. Why else make an invalid comparison? Who knows at this stage.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54278293

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/stat...153991680?s=20

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Wow Leo on a positive note comparing us to Israel. Not a valid comparison, mush more strict there.
  • 1 km distance from home
  • Schools closed
  • Christmas cancelled (Yom Kippur)

If I had to guess maybe we are being primed for an extended school closure. Why else make an invalid comparison? Who knows at this stage.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/stat...153991680?s=20
Throw. Sh*t. Wall. Sticks
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Wow Leo on a positive note comparing us to Israel. Not a valid comparison, mush more strict there.
While our mush is proper mush
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27-10-2020, 00:14   #6130
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Wow Leo on a positive note comparing us to Israel. Not a valid comparison, mush more strict there.
  • 1 km distance from home
  • Schools closed
  • Christmas cancelled (Yom Kippur)

If I had to guess maybe we are being primed for an extended school closure. Why else make an invalid comparison? Who knows at this stage.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54278293

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/stat...153991680?s=20
Yeah, he was holding Belgium up as an example to be followed a few weeks ago. Now the sh*t has hit the fan there hes changing country as best example to follow..

https://twitter.com/williamhboney1/s...079140864?s=20
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That's like saying Gardai should have a say in how laws are made
It’s nothing of the same at all, but you already know this.
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164 deaths in Czech Rep today..looking like the new field hospital in Prague is going to get busy anyway. This is the same number of deaths per capita that Italy and Spain reported at their very peak, CZ is nowhere close to a peak yet however.

CZ will suffer many more deaths above the European average because there is not the same caution instilled in the population as occurred in the rest of Europe in April. I saw a news report in prague today, random citizens seemed relatively unphased during interviews and pretty much business as usual, Czech GP's seemed alarmed by the total disregard citizens were showing toward the seriousness of the situation

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164 deaths in Czech Rep today..looking like the new field hospital in Prague is going to get busy anyway. This is the same number of deaths per capita that Italy and Spain reported at their very peak, CZ is nowhere close to a peak yet however.

CZ will suffer many more deaths above the European average because there is not the same caution instilled in the population as occurred in the rest of Europe in April. I saw a news report in prague today, random citizens seemed relatively unphased during interviews and pretty much business as usual, Czech GP's seemed alarmed by the total disregard citizens were showing toward the seriousness of the situation
CZ were the poster boy of Europe early on for the early hard lockdown of my memory serves me correctly.

CZ never had the first wave, and with a highly transmissible virus that discriminately targets old vulnerable people and causes a sharp spike in deaths of those people in a short space of time, it doesn’t look good for the next month or so in CZ.

On the bolded part, why is that surprising? Were lockdowns thought to be perpetually adhered to last March?

The life of a working class man/woman has become work/go home. Rinse repeat. The working class have **** all motivation to go to work if that all life will become for the next few years
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If you want a laugh between all the negativity and bleakness that covid brings I'd recommend Callans kicks podcast, might give a few people a laugh in these depressing times. (His George Lee impression is bang on the money).
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CZ were the poster boy of Europe early on for the early hard lockdown of my memory serves me correctly.

CZ never had the first wave, and with a highly transmissible virus that discriminately targets old vulnerable people and causes a sharp spike in deaths of those people in a short space of time, it doesn’t look good for the next month or so in CZ.

On the bolded part, why is that surprising? Were lockdowns thought to be perpetually adhered to last March?

The life of a working class man/woman has become work/go home. Rinse repeat. The working class have **** all motivation to go to work if that all life will become for the next few years
Yes but its 8 months later. Many many more will be saved by the knowledge acquired in that time.

And honestly, my life, work and go home, hasnt changed a huge amount. The joys of parenthood perhaps.

But not socialising for a year and saving lives? Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

The people suffering the most are the frontliners, and the business owners. And it sucks. Absolutely. But countries that dont lockdown, economically suffered worse, with higher mortality rates and no governmemt assist for the businesses. Its a no win situation.
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