Beep scheme - anyone joining

Hard Knocks · 02-09-2019 10:43pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Cheers lads, I'm usually good at reading the T's and C's but this one just hasn't captured my imagination. The BIL has a new scales I'll try get it for next weekend.

Just make sure it’s registered with ICBF so you can record

tractorporn · 03-09-2019 10:01am

Yeah I got busy last night and had a quick search on the ICBF website and it seems fairly straightforward to register the scales from the video.

nightpark · 04-09-2019 6:48pm

Anyone have a look through the report issued on icbf. Does anyone have one excluded due to weight data issues. Know what this is for. Cheers.

patsy_mccabe · 04-09-2019 7:02pm

Read mine there. Best males at 1.3Kg/day gain. Sure, so much depends on recording the correct date of birth.

Limestone Cowboy · 04-09-2019 7:07pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Read mine there. Best males at 1.3Kg/day gain. Sure, so much depends on recording the correct date of birth.

Some of my charolais bulls were doing up near 2kg/Day. Was nearly 2 months since I weighed them though. I'm sure that's come back a bit since.

50HX · 04-09-2019 10:18pm

Job done today

Fella's give out about the star ratings for animals

Proof is in the weighing today

4/5 stars cows yielding higher adg weanling and better calves/year ratio

790 the heaviest cow, the best weanling out of a 575kg cow

The straw on the platform from a previous post was a good tip

bogman_bass · 04-09-2019 11:25pm

I had 2 excluded for being over300days at weighing

Anto_Meath · 05-09-2019 9:56am

Yes I have 3 excluded due to been under 100 days on the date of weighing (these are the 3 youngest and were born the end of May), My ADG's are between 1.42 and 1.15 (I have twins doing 1.17 & 1.21 but they are getting a slug of 3 or 4 cows) My 1.42 is actually from a 1 star cow with a value of €35, but I guess she could be losing points on docility (she can be stubborn but I know her and like her) My 1.15 is from a 2 star €57 a CHx cow, I was actually disappointed with her weight (to look at her you would think she was well over 700 kgs but she is 677 kgs.) I had her picked out to go next year anyway and this report hasn't changed my mind.
I assume now that ICBF have issued this report everything is in order.

Lime Tree Farm · 05-09-2019 11:22am

Well now, they could have included >100 days and <300 days in the terms and conditions.

As they want them all weighed on the same day, does that mean you can't attach this calf's weight when it reaches 100 days?

patsy_mccabe · 05-09-2019 11:29am

I weighed calves at 5 weeks and the info was accepted. I guess I won't get paid till next year though.

Anto_Meath · 05-09-2019 11:30am

You can put in the weights, my guess is that they exclude them on the reports as they would distort the accuracy or the reports, in the case of my 3 they were around 180 - 190 kgs this would probably give them a ADG in excess of 1.5 Kgs but with be only coming in around 33% of their mothers weight. I am assuming I will still get paid for them as they were born within the required time frame and were weighted.

Lime Tree Farm · 05-09-2019 11:39am

Just checked there now on ICBF, the oldest calf is 212 days and youngest 114 days, just as well that weighing is delayed.

Great to see people sharing information. When I rang ICBF in the past, they said over 5 months of age for calf was ideal.

tanko · 05-09-2019 12:09pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Well now, they could have included >100 days and <300 days in the terms and conditions.

As they want them all weighed on the same day, does that mean you can't attach this calf's weight when it reaches 100 days?

I don't remember seeing any of this in the terms and conditions.
I took it that calves could be weighed at and age, they were reccomending around 5 months but it wasn't a deal breaker.
I don't remember reading that all calves in a herd had to be weighed on the same day either, just that each calf and its mother had to be weighed on the same day.

Sugarbowl · 06-09-2019 12:47pm

I'd say the calves being excluded is just for the report purposes.
I think the projected weights on my report were a little exaggerated. They may have been doing ADG 1.6 in mid summer but that definitely isn't happening today!

bogman_bass · 06-09-2019 1:41pm

tanko wrote: »

I don't remember reading that all calves in a herd had to be weighed on the same day either, just that each calf and its mother had to be weighed on the same day.

They don’t have to be weighed the same time. I split the weighing for autumn and spring calves.

Got two separate reports though.

Anto_Meath · 06-09-2019 1:52pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

They don’t have to be weighed the same time. I split the weighing for autumn and spring calves.

Got two separate reports though.

Yes all don't have to be weighed at the same time. But the cow and her calf must be weighed the same day. If you have 20 cows and calves you can have 20 weight dates and all would be fine once each cow is weighed with her calf.

Green&Red · 09-09-2019 2:01pm

Is it enough to upload the weights on the ICBF website? Or do they need to go on the agfood website?

jfh · 09-09-2019 2:57pm

Anyone here have a cow with a calf in July last year & another before 30th June? I know they state calf has to be on the cow but I have 2 cows with eligible calves both years

Sugarbowl · 09-09-2019 3:50pm

Green&Red wrote: »

Is it enough to upload the weights on the ICBF website? Or do they need to go on the agfood website?

I just put them on the ICBF website- nothing else.

Sugarbowl · 09-09-2019 3:53pm

jfh wrote: »

Anyone here have a cow with a calf in July last year & another before 30th June? I know they state calf has to be on the cow but I have 2 cows with eligible calves both years

If you log into the ICBF under beep you should be able to see whose eligible. I would think myself only the calf who is sucking will be eligible as the calf cannot be weaned at time of weighing.

jfh · 09-09-2019 8:05pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

If you log into the ICBF under beep you should be able to see whose eligible. I would think myself only the calf who is sucking will be eligible as the calf cannot be weaned at time of weighing.

When I log into icbf, the cow has 3 cavles eligible, twins this year & one last year. Might as well weigh them all

Sugarbowl · 09-09-2019 9:42pm

jfh wrote: »

When I log into icbf, the cow has 3 cavles eligible, twins this year & one last year. Might as well weigh them all

Sure if that works for you, that would be a great scoop. I think I read alright that you get double payment for twins so you'll do well out of that.

jfh · 19-09-2019 9:35am

How soon after submitting weights do you get paid?

Sugarbowl · 19-09-2019 7:05pm

I think it's going to come in December regardless of when you weighed them

sonnybill · 02-10-2019 11:27pm

Weighed mine today . 17 calves = E680, isn’t it as good as an extra calf in the year that’s in it.

Hurling Hereford · 03-10-2019 7:07pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

I think it's going to come in December regardless of when you weighed them

Hurling Hereford · 03-10-2019 7:11pm

Good evening folks hope ye r all safe + well.

It might be no harm to read this Agriland article from April in relation to De Minimus payments, BEEP comes under the DM 'heading'

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/66-increase-in-ceiling-per-farmer-under-revised-de-minimis-aid-rules/

White Clover · 03-10-2019 7:51pm

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Good evening folks hope ye r all safe + well.

It might be no harm to read this Agriland article from April in relation to De Minimus payments, BEEP comes under the DM 'heading'

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/66-increase-in-ceiling-per-farmer-under-revised-de-minimis-aid-rules/

Does BEAM come under DM heading ?

Lime Tree Farm · 03-10-2019 8:20pm

It is not funded entirely by the Exchequer - ultimately down to how much % split between Exchequer and EU.

https://merrionstreet.ie/en/News-Room/Releases/Creed_announces_detail_of_new_€100_million_Beef_Exceptional_Aid_Measure.html

"The availability of this EU and Exchequer support, together with the Beef Environmental Efficiency Pilot (BEEP) introduced earlier this year, provides an injection of up to €120m in aid for the beef sector in 2019".

the De Minimis applies only to Exchequer support

Hurling Hereford · 03-10-2019 8:56pm

White Clover wrote: »

Does BEAM come under DM heading ?

No!

White Clover · 03-10-2019 9:05pm

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

No!

Thanks! Any word of a second BEAM?

Hurling Hereford · 03-10-2019 9:19pm

White Clover wrote: »

Thanks! Any word of a second BEAM?

Id doubt it very much WC

rushvalley · 09-10-2019 1:12pm

Bought a springer with a calf at foot last February but they aren't showing up on the list of eligible animals for beep.... anyone else have this problem?

Green&Red · 09-10-2019 1:14pm

rushvalley wrote: »

Bought a springer with a calf at foot last February but they aren't showing up on the list of eligible animals for beep.... anyone else have this problem?

Does that calf not have to be born on ur farm?

Biscuitus · 09-10-2019 1:15pm

Weighed a bunch of cows and calves. I couldn't believe how off I was with my estimates at the start.

On the plus side I'll be getting money, on the downside I'll have to spend a bunch of that on pour-on and dosing cause I've been under valuing their weight for so long.

bogman_bass · 09-10-2019 3:57pm

Biscuitus wrote: »

Weighed a bunch of cows and calves. I couldn't believe how off I was with my estimates at the start.

On the plus side I'll be getting money, on the downside I'll have to spend a bunch of that on pour-on and dosing cause I've been under valuing their weight for so long.

I’ve entered a lot of stock judging competitions with Macra and in general most people overestimate their ability to judge weights.

SuperTortoise · 14-10-2019 8:48pm

Having problems entering details for scales, was given registration number by co-op but can't enter it in the register scales box, the box just has "OWN" in it and it won't delete so that i can enter the proper number?

On the main screen i have a registration number showing but it is different to the one i was given in the co-op, any ideas, thanks.

50HX · 14-10-2019 10:06pm

Enter the number after own in the box

tanko · 14-10-2019 10:22pm

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Having problems entering details for scales, was given registration number by co-op but can't enter it in the register scales box, the box just has "OWN" in it and it won't delete so that i can enter the proper number?

On the main screen i have a registration number showing but it is different to the one i was given in the co-op, any ideas, thanks.

I'm just after putting in the weights for a neighbour and the scales number was already there when i logged into his ICBF account. It wasn't in the "own" box.
Dont worry about that "own" box and try entering the weights.

SuperTortoise · 14-10-2019 10:24pm

Have the weights entered alright, trying to put a number after the "own" just says invalid registration number, i'll chance it there's some sort of a number put down for me i'd say it'll be grand.

tanko · 14-10-2019 10:42pm

If the weights are entered correctly you can click on a tab at the top that shows a screen with the cows and their calves weights and the date they were weighed.

SuperTortoise · 14-10-2019 10:45pm

That comes up alright, just wanted to be sure i was'nt docked on a technicality is all, thanks.

tanko · 14-10-2019 10:55pm

You could always give ICBF a ring just to check all is ok i suppose.

Green&Red · 15-10-2019 9:55am

tanko wrote: »

I'm just after putting in the weights for a neighbour and the scales number was already there when i logged into his ICBF account. It wasn't in the "own" box.
Dont worry about that "own" box and try entering the weights.

Did you get a notification as the scales owner to say your scales had been used?

tanko · 15-10-2019 10:01am

Green&Red wrote: »

Did you get a notification as the scales owner to say your scales had been used?

He hired the scales from the local co-op.

tanko · 15-10-2019 8:11pm

If a farmer books scales for Saturday 26th, they don't have to be returned until the Tuesday morning with Monday 28th being a Bank Holiday, so will have the scales for three days instead of one.
This could be useful for someone with a fragmented farm.

Sugarbowl · 22-10-2019 7:17pm

According to Agriland, payment has started... I like the sound of that!!

sonnybill · 22-10-2019 11:40pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

According to Agriland, payment has started... I like the sound of that!!

Anyone got it in amounts processed?

Sugarbowl · 23-10-2019 8:31pm

Nothing showing up for me yet anyway

Grueller · 23-10-2019 8:35pm

Nor here

Beep scheme - anyone joining

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