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My €100m BEAM scheme

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    #362
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users Posts: 820 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    No sign of BEAM here but BEEP was paid yesterday.


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    #363
    sonnybill
    Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭sonnybill


    tanko wrote: »
    It exploded, it can't cope with all the money you're getting lately:D

    I wish, no sign of the Beam my end though


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    #364
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,085 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    sonnybill wrote: »
    The financial tab is down/ unavailable now for me

    There's down time every night in financial services on agfood


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    #365
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    tanko wrote: »
    Does anyone know for sure if animals sold in a mart which are bought by a factory agent or dealer and killed within 30 days of sale are eligible for the €100/head payment to the farmer who sold them in the mart?
    They were suppose to be included. I presume that they did not show in your application. Did you contact the BEAM section at the time. We didn't have any so I'm not 100%.


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    #366
    morphy87
    Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Do ye reckon there will be another beam payment this time next year considering the price of beef was lower this year compared to last year?


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    #367
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭tanko


    Base price wrote: »
    They were suppose to be included. I presume that they did not show in your application. Did you contact the BEAM section at the time. We didn't have any so I'm not 100%.

    No, didn't show on application. Appealed it, computer said no, have the option of appealing it further.


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    #368
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    tanko wrote: »
    No, didn't show on application. Appealed it, computer said no, have the option of appealing it further.
    I would appeal it again as you have nothing to loose. I assume you have a list of tag numbers that you can show were slaughtered within 30 days of sale through the herd number that bought them off you/through the mart.

    9.2 - "Where an animal under 9.1.1 has been presented for slaughter by an agent or by a dealer within 30 days of purchase, including those purchased in the mart, payment may issue to the immediate previous herdowner or in respect of the previous eligible herdnumber, where that herdowner is an applicant"
    https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/beefexceptionalaidmeasure/BEAMTANDC150819.pdf


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    #369
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭tanko


    Yeah, i have all that info, the word "may" is all very vague in the terms and conditions.


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    #370
    Hurling Hereford
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭Hurling Hereford


    Base price wrote: »
    I would appeal it again as you have nothing to loose. I assume you have a list of tag numbers that you can show were slaughtered within 30 days of sale through the herd number that bought them off you/through the mart.

    9.2 - "Where an animal under 9.1.1 has been presented for slaughter by an agent or by a dealer within 30 days of purchase, including those purchased in the mart, payment may issue to the immediate previous herdowner or in respect of the previous eligible herdnumber, where that herdowner is an applicant"
    https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/beefexceptionalaidmeasure/BEAMTANDC150819.pdf

    Would agree with Base price 100%, make sure you appeal this decision. Page 5 of the Terms & Conditions reads 'Where an animal under 9.1.1 has been presented for slaughter by an agent or by a dealer within 30 days of purchase, including those purchased in the mart, payment MAY issue to the immediate previous herdowner or in respect of the previous eligible herdnumber, where that herdowner is an applicant. This paragraph is too open to interpretation for my liking, especially the use of the word 'MAY'


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    #371
    djmc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭djmc


    Anyone know when beam will be paid this month


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    #372
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users Posts: 820 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    It is supposed to be in December so I guess any time from now until Christmas.
    My BDGP money was paid on Dec 14th last year so there is still potential days to be paid this no month.


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    #373
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,085 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Sugarbowl wrote: »
    It is supposed to be in December so I guess any time from now until Christmas.
    My BDGP money was paid on Dec 14th last year so there is still potential days to be paid this no month.

    Payment runs are only once a week now, well for bps anyway.


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    #374
    morphy87
    Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Would any one here be able to tell me is there any where online that I can check my current stocking rate and check what my rate was during this reference period? Just trying to figure out where I stand


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    #375
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,166 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    morphy87 wrote: »
    Would any one here be able to tell me is there any where online that I can check my current stocking rate and check what my rate was during this reference period? Just trying to figure out where I stand

    On agfood.ie your nitrates statements to end of october will be available.

    As well if a member of ICBF you can look it up under reports and stock numbers

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #376
    morphy87
    Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    On agfood.ie your nitrates statements to end of october will be available.

    As well if a member of ICBF you can look it up under reports and stock numbers

    Sound for that is it hard to register for that? Would you know off hand the figures for under 12 months and under 24 months and under 36 months? I think I may be tight as I was the guts of two months late selling my cattle,also if you bought cattle on the last day of a month what way would that work or sold cattle in the first day of a month?


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    #377
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users Posts: 820 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    If you log onto agfood - you can view your BEAM application - there contains all the relevant figures


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    #378
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I've been keeping an eye on the status of our application and I noticed yesterday that it said "pass". Today it says "complete".

    Hopefully payment will issue shortly. If you wish to check the status of your application log onto Agfood and click on Exceptional Aid Measures.
    Edit: just read that payments are beginning to be issued.
    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/beam-payments-worth-e75-million-begin-to-issue/


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    #379
    sonnybill
    Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭sonnybill


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Same here on my dad's application

    Creed announced BEAM payments have commenced, mine has changed on agfood to ‘claim complete’


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    #380
    Farmer Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Farmer Dan


    Shown on agfood now.
    Payment date for 16th.


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    #381
    sonnybill
    Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭sonnybill


    Farmer Dan wrote: »
    Shown on agfood now.
    Payment date for 16th.

    Same as that but pittance in comparison to what hit we took on our stock price wise, no good for the smaller suckler man anyway


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    #382
    Bellview
    Registered Users Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭Bellview


    sonnybill wrote: »
    Same as that but pittance in comparison to what hit we took on our stock price wise, no good for the smaller suckler man anyway

    It will be interesting in time how many will read the payment due to not reducing numbers ...


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    #383
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Bellview wrote: »
    It will be interesting in time how many will read the payment due to not reducing numbers ...

    Could well happen here, but that's fine. Interest free loan at a time when money is tight.


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    #384
    Green&Red
    Registered Users Posts: 11,387 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    Grueller wrote: »
    Could well happen here, but that's fine. Interest free loan at a time when money is tight.

    Thats it exactly, theres no penalty for not meeting the terms, its a free shot, its unlikely I'll make the limit but you never know


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    #385
    Aravo
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Aravo


    For the Beam scheme am I correct in thinking that if one had a few culls to go later in year it would be best to have them gone prior to 01/july 2020. So the reduced numbers (reduced kg) has to commence for this date and up until this date you can work away.


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    #386
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭tanko


    Aravo wrote: »
    For the Beam scheme am I correct in thinking that if one had a few culls to go later in year it would be best to have them gone prior to 01/july 2020. So the reduced numbers (reduced kg) has to commence for this date and up until this date you can work away.

    The reduced numbers doesn’t have to start on July 1st 2020. It’s calculated over the following 12 months but the simplest way do do it would be to reduce numbers from the start which is what i will do.


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    #387
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Aravo wrote: »
    For the Beam scheme am I correct in thinking that if one had a few culls to go later in year it would be best to have them gone prior to 01/july 2020. So the reduced numbers (reduced kg) has to commence for this date and up until this date you can work away.
    No, wait until after the 1st of July 2020. The period for reduction is from 1/7/2020 to the 30/6/2021.
    I edited my post after reading Tanko's below as it could cause confusion.


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    #388
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭tanko


    The reference period for reduction is July 01 2018 to June 30 2019.
    From July 01 2020 to June 30 2021 you have to have 5% less stock or kgs or whatever it is so it would be better to have those cull cows gone before July this year.


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    #389
    mr.stonewall
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Would be handy if there was a planning tool linked to stock on aim, with options of putting in predicted sale dates, purchases and births to track progress


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    #390
    Aravo
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Aravo


    Base price wrote: »
    No, wait until after the 1st of July 2020. The reference period for reduction is from 1/7/2020 to the 30/6/2021.

    My reading of things is that you must have your reduction in place from 01/07/20 to 30/06/21. So you cant sell off at end of May 2021 and say that you are then compliant.


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    #391
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭tanko


    Aravo wrote: »
    My reading of things is that you must have your reduction in place from 01/07/20 to 30/06/21. So you cant sell off at end of May 2021 and say that you are then compliant.

    It's the average number of number of stock (age dependant of course) over the 12 month period that matters.
    If you sold enough cattle at the end of May 21 you could still be compliant.


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