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DunnoKidz · 12-07-2017 11:37pm

You are all much more skilled at handwriting deciphering than I, but I found this beginners handwriting helper with deciphering tips, on Ancestry. Not sure how they came up with this particular lettering though, as handwriting varies greatly by writer and date written... but it's a beginning reference point atleast.

Dianey57 · 13-07-2017 12:25am

Thank you for your help! I will look into the handwriting helper and see if I can come up with something.

Lucyspell · 13-07-2017 12:40am

I would appreciate any thoughts on what the last two diagnosis are..first seems th be bronchitis and emphysema . Thanks in advance

DunnoKidz · 13-07-2017 6:37am

Hmmm.... intriguing... Deformation ? of ? I_____ ? Arterial ?

List of Old Diseases Frequently Found on Death Certificates
List of Lung Diseases
Anatomy of the Lungs

Lucyspell · 13-07-2017 8:57am

Thank you. There is no T crossed in bronchitis, so I am thinking I see the word infarction of...? After that I am stuck!

tabbey · 13-07-2017 9:06am

DunnoKidz wrote: »

You are all much more skilled at handwriting deciphering than I, but I found this beginners handwriting helper with deciphering tips, on Ancestry. Not sure how they came up with this particular lettering though, as handwriting varies greatly by writer and date written... but it's a beginning reference point atleast.

The major omission from this is the absence of double ss, written in so many records as a long s followed by a short s, the long s looking like f or p. For example "Russell" looked to me like "Rupsell" or "Rufsell".

That double s was frequent in parish records well into the 1800s, but I rarely if ever found it in the Registry of Deeds, dating back to 1708.

tabbey · 13-07-2017 9:11am

Lucyspell wrote: »

Thank you. There is no T crossed in bronchitis, so I am thinking I see the word infarction of...? After that I am stuck!

It is definitely bronchitis. The crossbar of the t is just pointing almost upwards, rather than to the right.

The only word that would come any way close,is bronchiectasis. This is not it.

Emphysema is also on cause of death list. Chronic bronchitis and emphysema was traditionally known as Chronic Obstructive Airway Daisease, (COAD), but in the last quarter century has become Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD). Probably reflects an American influence.

Lucyspell · 13-07-2017 9:47am

Actually now I think I see a very small mark as if the T is crossed in bronchitis..and the mystery word in diagnosis 3).It is a bit far out to the right.....
I enlarged the writing quite a lot. It is a death cert from a woman in about 1950

tabbey · 13-07-2017 10:12am

Lucyspell wrote: »

I enlarged the writing quite a lot. It is a death cert from a woman in about 1950

If it was less zoomed, we could see more of the script, and possibly recognise more of the doctor's style of handwriting.
At present I cannot identify cause number 3.

What was cause number one? The first should be the ultimate cause of death, while the others should be contibutary factors, often of long standing, such as the second: "Chronic Bronchitis and Emphysema".

Lucyspell · 13-07-2017 10:19am

Thanks Tabbey
I don't have the certificate as I just took a screen shot and saved it like that. (You could pay to view on line, I cannot remember the website now as it was quite a while ago)
The first cause is Chronic Bronchitis, then Emphysema , it's just the last one that has me puzzled..
Thanks again!

tabbey · 13-07-2017 10:33am

Dianey57 wrote: »

Hello! I am looking for where Garnara would have been in 1863. According to a letter, a relative traveled from Corlea, Co. Clare to Garnara to visit a sick relative in the hospital.

The Tulla workhouse was situated in the townland of Garruragh.

As workhouses provided the only hospitals in rural Ireland, apart from the county infirmaries, it is most likely a workhouse hospital.

My guess is that it is a variant spelling and/or unclear script of Garruragh.

Dianey57 · 18-07-2017 10:43pm

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/9035/7SVLcp.jpg
Need help! I have tried but cannot figure out if the words in this letter refer to a person or a place in the U.S. The letter dated 1863 from Ireland to the U.S. Thank you for any help.

spurious · 18-07-2017 10:45pm

Is it Summer Villa?

Hermy · 18-07-2017 10:48pm

It would help to see a few more lines to give some context.

To me it reads as follows...

I wrote you a letter to Summers Villas in June last and got...

Dianey57 · 18-07-2017 11:14pm

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3675/fKio4Z.jpg

Here is a bit more of the letter. It might be "summer's villa" but not really sure. The relatives in the U.S. lived in Ohio and Iowa (traveled there from New York). I've enlarged the text and tried to trace, used alphabets from the 1800's but I'm still stumped.

Dianey57 · 18-07-2017 11:14pm

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3675/fKio4Z.jpg

Here is a bit more of the letter. It might be "summer's villa" but not really sure. The relatives in the U.S. lived in Ohio and Iowa (traveled there from New York). I've enlarged the text and tried to trace, used alphabets from the 1800's but I'm still stumped.

mickmackey1 · 18-07-2017 11:19pm

'Summers Villas' was my first thought too.

DunnoKidz · 19-07-2017 12:06am

Dianey57 wrote: »

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3675/fKio4Z.jpg

Here is a bit more of the letter. It might be "summer's villa" but not really sure. The relatives in the U.S. lived in Ohio and Iowa (traveled there from New York). I've enlarged the text and tried to trace, used alphabets from the 1800's but I'm still stumped.

There was a former village in Milford Township, Butler County, Ohio named Somerville, incorporated in the 1830's with three or four hundred population. The township is dissolved now, I believe.

Dianey57 · 19-07-2017 1:30am

That's a possibility for sure. It is most likely the post office nearest their home. One brother married in Ohio, and then went from Logan, Illinois in 1860 (Smithville post office) to Mechanicsville, Iowa in 1870. I'm not sure if he lived somewhere in between during the 10 year period. The other brother lived in just in Mechanicsville, Iowa.

DunnoKidz · 19-07-2017 4:08am

Dianey57 wrote: »

That's a possibility for sure. It is most likely the post office nearest their home. One brother married in Ohio, and then went from Logan, Illinois in 1860 (Smithville post office) to Mechanicsville, Iowa in 1870. I'm not sure if he lived somewhere in between during the 10 year period.Â* The other brother lived in just in Mechanicsville, Iowa.

If he lived in Somerville or Hamilton, north of the larger city of Cincinatti, you're probably right - the post office coulda been Somerville (I never thought of that, Dianey, very cool!)... Then if he moved to Iowa, the route corresponds, (on todays roadways) direct from (Hamilton up to) Somerville, the route goes thru Smithville direct to Mechanicsville. ...The "somewhere in between" could possibly have been Indianapolis or Champaign (following the route).

If you haven't checked out some of these online resources, they might have bits of info about the area or (possibly) your relative(s)... (I have an ancestor who traveled to Ohio and Illinois way back when, so.)

If there's a possibility your ancestor participated in the War of the Rebellion in the 1860's, this online book lists Mechanicsville enlistee data (including nativity locales)... If they enlisted in Illinois, the Logan Civil War records are listed here.
History of Pioneer families of Mechanicsville.
If your ancestor had roots in Somerville, this GenWeb project details some info about the people of Milford Township - scroll down to see Somerville. (I recognise some ancestor surnames, so am doing my own research here.)
If he lived in Indianapolis circa 1865, you might find a listing on their Historical Directory.
This site I find fascinating, has some free online archival newspapers from all states.

Dianey57 · 19-07-2017 5:33am

Thank you Dunnokidz for the wealth of information!! I look forward to some new areas to research.

DunnoKidz · 19-07-2017 6:32am

The few sentences in your letter were awesome to read, love the 1860's vernacular! Had the feel of reading Jane Austen (wrong time frame, I know, but killer to have such a personal document Dianey!)

carolinej · 21-07-2017 4:47pm

hi, can someone decipher the word on residence at time of marriage for Annie Culligan. I can't make it out. thanks. It's the second record.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10726/5910764.pdf

I think I've made it out. It's Ditto. Never heard of it lol.

Hermy · 21-07-2017 4:53pm

Is the word 'ditto' meaning she lived at the same place as the groom?

I see you've heard of Ditto townland.

tabbey · 21-07-2017 9:31pm

Hermy wrote: »

Is the word 'ditto' meaning she lived at the same place as the groom?

I see you've heard of Ditto townland.

And ditto age as well as ditto occupation.

Hermy · 23-07-2017 1:02am

Looking for help with the third marriage down between Christopher Broughal and Elizabeth Layde.
I'm struggling with the church and the residence of both bride and groom if anyone can figure them out.

spurious · 23-07-2017 1:13am

1 Sth Richmond St?
High Park
Convent Lodge?

Hermy · 23-07-2017 1:18am

Great spot Spurious.

Richmond Street looks right and Convent Lodge, High Park is definitely right cause the father of the bride was a servant there at one time.

Any ideas on the church? It's late and I just can't make head nor tale of this one.:o

spurious · 23-07-2017 1:22am

I think it's Church of the Visitation, Fairview. That's purely going on the 1st and 4th entries which are slightly more legible, but I think the same church.

Hermy · 23-07-2017 7:47am

All I could see was Valentine which didn't look right - Fairview fits though.

nikonuser · 01-08-2017 8:44am

HI there, would anyone with a good eye like to suggest what the notation says for line 11 on the extreme right hand side of this Baptism Cert from St Andrew's Church in Dublin for the year 1893. It is for Henry Michael Casey, his Mother is Catherine Walsh and it seems to be her referred to in the note on the side. I take it to say "Catherine is the ..... of this child"? I could be way off. Any Help will be appreciated. J

Whereisgerry? · 01-08-2017 9:38am

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6537d46561711

In the record for Patrick O'Connell & Doreen Dunne, can anyone make out the address of the bride and the occupation of the groom?

JDERIC2017 · 01-08-2017 9:53am

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6537d46561711

In the record for Patrick O'Connell & Doreen Dunne, can anyone make out the address of the bride and the occupation of the groom?

Looks like Rock hill Castle Blackrock? as blackrock is in rathdown district. googled and found a rock hill in blackrock but no ref to castle? guessing occupation - Journalist?

good luck

Whereisgerry? · 01-08-2017 10:24am

JDERIC2017 wrote: »

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6537d46561711

In the record for Patrick O'Connell & Doreen Dunne, can anyone make out the address of the bride and the occupation of the groom?

Looks like Rock hill Castle Blackrock? as blackrock is in rathdown district. googled and found a rock hill in blackrock but no ref to castle? guessing occupation - Journalist?

good luck

Ah yes - you are right about the groom being a journalist. That's just jogged my memory. Still unsure about the address.

I also thought it said Rock something Castle. But I can't find any castles in Blackrock at all.

JDERIC2017 · 01-08-2017 10:44am

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

Ah yes - you are right about the groom being a journalist. That's just jogged my memory. Still unsure about the address.
I also though its said Rock something Castle. I can't find any castles in Blackrock at all.

Another way of checking address is looking up electoral Roles on line, but they are only available in some libraries, I access them in Pearse street libary.

tabbey · 01-08-2017 11:29am

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6537d46561711

In the record for Patrick O'Connell & Doreen Dunne, can anyone make out the address of the bride and the occupation of the groom?

I tried to click on this record, but without success.
Is this something to do with the recent change of format on boards?

JDERIC2017 · 01-08-2017 11:41am

tabbey wrote: »

I tried to click on this record, but without success.
Is this something to do with the recent change of format on boards?

I just copied and pasted link in to browser and it worked.

Whereisgerry? · 01-08-2017 11:53am

tabbey wrote: »

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6537d46561711

In the record for Patrick O'Connell & Doreen Dunne, can anyone make out the address of the bride and the occupation of the groom?

I tried to click on this record, but without success.
Is this something to do with the recent change of format on boards?

I searched for Doreen Dunne in Rathdown and it comes up for me

pedroeibar1 · 01-08-2017 12:15pm

nikonuser wrote: »

.....and it seems to be her referred to in the note on the side. I take it to say "Catherine is the ..... of this child"? I could be way off. Any Help will be appreciated. J

Difficult. "Catherine is the xxxname... of this mothers child" ??

pedroeibar1 · 01-08-2017 12:25pm

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

Ah yes - you are right about the groom being a journalist. That's just jogged my memory. Still unsure about the address.

I also thought it said Rock something Castle. But I can't find any castles in Blackrock at all.

I wonder does 'castle' refer to Williamstown Castle, now Willow Park / junior school for Blackrock College. Her father also is a NS teacher - coincidence?

tabbey · 01-08-2017 12:27pm

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

tabbey wrote: »

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6537d46561711

In the record for Patrick O'Connell & Doreen Dunne, can anyone make out the address of the bride and the occupation of the groom?

I tried to click on this record, but without success.
Is this something to do with the recent change of format on boards?

I searched for Doreen Dunne in Rathdown and it comes up for me

Yes , I se it now, it definitely looks like Rock Hill Castle, but I do not remember any such address, and it is not on the 25 inch map of early 1900s.
However, there used to be a lot of quaint houses, some castellated, on Rock Hill, before the redevelopment since 1980. It is possible that one might have been named Rock Hill Castle, or known locally as such.

tabbey · 01-08-2017 12:28pm

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

tabbey wrote: »

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6537d46561711

In the record for Patrick O'Connell & Doreen Dunne, can anyone make out the address of the bride and the occupation of the groom?

I tried to click on this record, but without success.
Is this something to do with the recent change of format on boards?

I searched for Doreen Dunne in Rathdown and it comes up for me

Yes , I se it now, it definitely looks like Rock Hill Castle, but I do not remember any such address, and it is not on the 25 inch map of early 1900s.
However, there used to be a lot of quaint houses, some castellated, on Rock Hill, before the redevelopment since 1980. It is possible that one might have been named Rock Hill Castle, or known locally as such.

tabbey · 01-08-2017 12:36pm

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

Ah yes - you are right about the groom being a journalist. That's just jogged my memory. Still unsure about the address.

I also thought it said Rock something Castle. But I can't find any castles in Blackrock at all.

I wonder does 'castle' refer to Williamstown Castle, now Willow Park / junior school for Blackrock College. Her father also is a NS teacher - coincidence?

Blackrock College did indeed include Williamstown Castle, but the French College, as it is sometimes called, would not have had the slightest connection with a national teacher, they described their teachers as professors, and would have looked down on a mere national teacher.
Even if Henry did work and live in Blackrock College, since he was dead, his daughter would have been obliged to move out.

pedroeibar1 · 01-08-2017 12:39pm

tabbey wrote: »

Yes , I se it now, it definitely looks like Rock Hill Castle, but I do not remember any such address, and it is not on the 25 inch map of early 1900s.
However, there used to be a lot of quaint houses, some castellated, on Rock Hill, before the redevelopment since 1980. It is possible that one might have been named Rock Hill Castle, or known locally as such.

Rock Hill is the bit of road from the traffic lights at Jack O'Rourke's pub up to the intersection with the Rock Road. You sure there were crenellated houses where the shopping centre now stands? I agree with you - the adress means nothing to me also. Even the other side of the village (Temple Hill) had no castle/suitable houses. The nearest castle on that side is in Monkstown, which is too far away.

Whereisgerry? · 01-08-2017 1:34pm

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Whereisgerry? wrote: »

Ah yes - you are right about the groom being a journalist. That's just jogged my memory. Still unsure about the address.

I also thought it said Rock something Castle. But I can't find any castles in Blackrock at all.

I wonder does 'castle' refer to Williamstown Castle, now Willow Park / junior school for Blackrock College. Her father also is a NS teacher - coincidence?

Blackrock College did cross my mind but considering her father was a national school teacher I doubt that this is the case. I also wondered if Doreen had become a teacher herself.

pedroeibar1 · 01-08-2017 1:45pm

I wonder if .....
The house at the Rock Road/Hill junction is called Lios an uisce, lios in Irish meaning a fort. It's rather a grand house, perhaps she was a boarder there?

Whereisgerry? · 01-08-2017 2:24pm

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I wonder if .....
The house at the Rock Road/Hill junction is called Lios an uisce, lios in Irish meaning a fort. It's rather a grand house, perhaps she was a boarder there?

Could be! It looks like a fab house. I'll keep digging!

nikonuser · 01-08-2017 5:26pm

Would it be "trustee" & if it is, why would it be there? J

hblock21 · 01-08-2017 5:32pm

Catherine is the ..... of ... twelfth child. ??

P. Breathnach · 01-08-2017 5:51pm

I think it is a correction, and messed up a little - that the intention was to write "Catherine is the forename of the child's mother" (rather than "mother's child"). Note the name in the main entry gives her name as "Cathleen".

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