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Is the Dublin accent dying?

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  • #52
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I was referring to done and seen that. Crisps has nothing to do with accent. It's called a consonant cluster and people have to learnt how to say them regardless of accents.

    The pronoucuation of crisps as crips is, like the two syllables in school, part of a specific Dublin accent. Inner city I would think but probably others. I seen and I done are also Dublin dialects.

    It’s true that kids can actually make these mistakes growing but fuaranach was referrring to accent, given the nature of this thread.


  • #53
    Omackeral
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    The pronoucuation of crisps as crips is, like the two syllables in school, part of a specific Dublin accent. Inner city I would think but probably others.

    No, it's not accent, it's just wrong. My brother does it. He's a gob****e though. A package/patch of crisps. Gerrup ourra dat!


  • #54
    jimgoose
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    Yiz can all hang yizzer bollixes off the Five Lamps. :pac:


  • #55
    Ariadne
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    I'm from Cork city and have heard plenty of Cork city people say I seen and I done and them shoes. I've also heard people say crips, hostible (hospital) and chimley (chimney). It seems to depend on what area you're from in the city.


  • #56
    aloneforever99
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭aloneforever99


    I love the Old Mr Brennan salt-of-the-earth Dublin accent. I've less time for the played up Conor McGregor style accent, which is played up in some quarters just as much as the Americanised D4 accent is elsewhere.

    Certainly not dying though.


  • #57
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    And now it's a racial thing! :D:D:D When do the Civil Rights marches start? Talk about delusions of grandeur.

    You don’t seem to be able to understand general arguments. Here’s what happened. You rubbished a group of people as being intellectually inferior.(You also used maudlin incorrectly by the way).

    Clearly it was a troll. Then you got upset that someone from that group you rubbished got upset at that generalisation, and that itself (absent of logic) proved your theory. Generally these are the arguments of bigots.

    It doesn’t matter what the group is, the illogical arguments you make are the same.


  • #58
    Lollipops23
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    jimgoose wrote: »
    Yiz can all hang yizzer bollixes off the Five Lamps. :pac:

    I do have a habit of using the "yizzer" term when I'm agitated....product of being a Dub several generations back and also my mother never allowing the mid atlantic accent in the house.

    My other half is also a Dub all the way back, so we tend to confuse the hell out of our poor West Belfastian housemate.


  • #59
    JohnnyFlash
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    And now it's a racial thing! :D:D:D When do the Civil Rights marches start? Talk about delusions of grandeur.

    Hilarious stuff, Wokey.

    Lads getting into a huff just because people point out that the classic Dublin accent sounds like a hyena being buggered by a donkey. Christy Dingam, Ronnie Drew, Auld Mr. Brennan, Joe Duffy, Bill Cullen. You'd just wish their parents had cared about them enough to send them to speech and elocution lessons.


  • #60
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    The pronoucuation of crisps as crips is, like the two syllables in school, part of a specific Dublin accent. Inner city I would think but probably others. I seen and I done are also Dublin dialects.

    It’s true that kids can actually make these mistakes growing but fuaranach was referrring to accent, given the nature of this thread.

    It's individual sounds and the problem of combining them i.e. s-p-s. No big deal for an adult or older children but a challenge for smaller kids until they are exposed to phonics and how to form sounds. "Done" and "seen" are a common fossilized form in many parts of the English-speaking world, not just inner-city Dublin.


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  • #61
    aloneforever99
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    The level of urban/rural (or rather Dublin/ everywhere else) divide generally in Ireland is ridiculous for a country this small.


  • #62
    Calltocall
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    Calltocall wrote: »
    So you’re a scumbag if you have an authentic accent which originates from where you live, I’d rather have the authenticity of that than this half British/American fake accent which was basically made up to make one sound supposedly more intelligent and used to hide your origins for fear of people looking down on you, so insincere and ridiculous, be real, always the best policy.

    And this doesn’t just apply to Dublin, I travel quite a bit around the country and have friends in Cork, Galway, one thing I love about Ireland is the variety of accents we have for such a small country, it makes us authentic, I was in Galway recently and spoke with a gentleman who to me had a strong D4 accent when I asked where do you hail from and live, it was Spiddal I was puzzled, it’s not the first time I’ve come across that, I don’t know I see the whole British /American tv accent becoming more prevalent and imo it erodes ones authenticity, again be yourself and proud of where you come from whatever county that may be.


  • #63
    Kitty6277
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    Succubus_ wrote: »
    I'm from Cork city and have heard plenty of Cork city people say I seen and I done and them shoes. I've also heard people say crips, hostible (hospital) and chimley (chimney). It seems to depend on what area you're from in the city.

    ‘I seen’ and ‘I done’ seems to be very common up here in Tipp as well. Drives me mad


  • #64
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Hilarious stuff, Wokey.

    Lads getting into a huff just because people point out that the classic Dublin accent sounds like a hyena being buggered by a donkey. Christy Dingam, Ronnie Drew, Auld Mr. Brennan, Joe Duffy, Bill Cullen. You'd just wish their parents had cared about them enough to send them to speech and elocution lessons.

    I would have taken you for a Dub.


  • #65
    [Deleted User]
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Hilarious stuff, Wokey.

    Lads getting into a huff just because people point out that the classic Dublin accent sounds like a hyena being buggered by a donkey. Christy Dingam, Ronnie Drew, Auld Mr. Brennan, Joe Duffy, Bill Cullen. You'd just wish their parents had cared about them enough to send them to speech and elocution lessons.

    Doubling down on your satire.


  • #66
    mikemac2
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    Calltocall wrote: »
    I was in Galway recently and spoke with a gentleman who to me had a strong D4 accent when I asked where do you hail from and live, it was Spiddal I was puzzled, it’s not the first time I’ve come across that,

    Spiddal

    Not all that surprising ;)

    Possibly the most expensive property for a town in the entire west of Ireland


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  • #67
    iamwhoiam
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    There is no generic Dublin accent and never was . It varies from Skerries to Howth to Finglas to Firhouse and always did


  • #68
    Omackeral
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    Succubus_ wrote: »
    I've also heard people say crips, hostible (hospital) and chimley (chimney). It seems to depend on what area you're from in the city.

    Usually it's idiots.


  • #69
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's individual sounds and the problem of combining them i.e. s-p-s. No big deal for an adult or older children but a challenge for smaller kids until they are exposed to phonics and how to form sounds. "Done" and "seen" are a common fossilized form in many parts of the English-speaking world, not just inner-city Dublin.

    Yes. But crips is also part of the adult Dublin accent. I don’t think it’s fossilised either - I seen and I done are common and growing if anything.

    If kids are exposed to phonics it’s not working.


  • #70
    turbbo
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    turty tree and a turd = 33 and a 1/3


  • #71
    iamwhoiam
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Usually it's idiots.

    My nan used to say chimly and she was far from an idiot . Born and raised in Portobello and a strong hard working lady . Never judge too quickly


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  • #72
    Riesen_Meal
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    turbbo wrote: »
    turty tree and a turd = 33 and a 1/3

    Or the dirty gee if referring to the bus route... ;)


  • #73
    Omackeral
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    My nan used to say chimly and she was far from an idiot . Born and raised in Portobello and a strong hard working lady . Never judge too quickly

    That's why I said usually. Your nan is sound.


  • #74
    Woke Hogan
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Hilarious stuff, Wokey.

    Lads getting into a huff just because people point out that the classic Dublin accent sounds like a hyena being buggered by a donkey. Christy Dingam, Ronnie Drew, Auld Mr. Brennan, Joe Duffy, Bill Cullen. You'd just wish their parents had cared about them enough to send them to speech and elocution lessons.
    Honestly they revel in it. I don't think they're genetically inferior but I do believe the average Dublin person just prefers reading celebrity gossip or "veddy sad" human interest stories over anything more intellectually stimulating such as, say, a broadsheet newspaper or novels for adults.

    It's a culture that promotes "feelings" over rationalism, with the few bright sparks among them resorting to diversionary tactics such as comparing valid criticisms of Dublin to racial abuse. :rolleyes: To each their own but it wouldn't be for me.


  • #75
    is_that_so
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Yes. But crips is also part of the adult Dublin accent. I don’t think it’s fossilised either - I seen and I done are common and growing if anything.

    If kids are exposed to phonics it’s not working.

    The child is too young for phonics yet. Fossilization is where nobody has corrected a grammar form and it just sticks as the way to say something. Kids are mimics and this stuff comes from adults. I must admit I don't know any adult who says "crips"!:)


  • #76
    Omackeral
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    Honestly they revel in it. I don't think they're genetically inferior but I do believe the average Dublin person just prefers reading celebrity gossip or "veddy sad" human interest stories over anything more intellectually stimulating such as, say, a broadsheet newspaper or novels for adults.

    To each their own but it wouldn't be for me.

    Watch you don't drop your monocle into your caviar there old chap.


  • #77
    turbbo
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    the dublin accent is class...and I'm a bogger...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X453ABUQ2rM


  • #78
    rossie1977
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    The more middle class or higher the area the weaker the accent anyway. I have friends from Sutton, Raheny, Killester and their accents are completely different to say people from say Ballymun or Cabra


  • #79
    orourkeda1977
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    Yes southsiders have started turning american


  • #80
    Woke Hogan
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Watch you don't drop your monocle into your caviar there old chap.
    I'm far from posh, I am just suggesting that people read magazines that are stuffed with articles rather than crosswords, word searches, and pictures of celebrity cellulite.


  • #81
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    Honestly they revel in it. I don't think they're genetically inferior but I do believe the average Dublin person just prefers reading celebrity gossip or "veddy sad" human interest stories over anything more intellectually stimulating such as, say, a broadsheet newspaper or novels for adults.

    It's a culture that promotes "feelings" over rationalism, with the few bright sparks among them resorting to diversionary tactics such as comparing valid criticisms of Dublin to racial abuse. :rolleyes: To each their own but it wouldn't be for me.

    I think you’re getting your attacks in early out of a feeling of understandable rural inferiority. Not just in Ireland but everywhere the smartest and most ambitious people migrate to the cities, including country people. And not just Dublin, but Cork etc. That’s why your son left.

    That’s where the best jobs are, the best universities are, the intellectual centres are.

    Now it may be that people who live in Godforsaken bergs are all reading the best novels and broadsheets (produced where by the way?), but in general I just see guys scratching their arse and spitting on the ground whenever I have the misfortune to drive past. Theres a excitement of the GAA on Sunday I suppose.


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  • #82
    jimgoose
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    The child is too young for phonics yet. Fossilization is where nobody has corrected a grammar form and it just sticks as the way to say something. Kids are mimics and this stuff comes from adults. I must admit I don't know any adult who says "crips"!:)

    Neither do I. "crips" instead of "crisps" is not accent, it's a speech impediment. :pac:


  • #83
    Bigbagofcans
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    I'm lucky enough not to have to spend a lot of time in Dublin. The accents and general maudlin attitude down in the capital is totally at odds with my own beliefs. For example I have never watched X Factor or ordered a takeaway meal, nor have I cried at any melodramas starring Ryan Gosling.

    There is an element of anti-intellectualism and propensity for sentimentality among the populace of Dublin that I think the rather more stoic citizenry of "de country" are fortunate for not sharing and I dread any day I have to go down to the capital.

    My son is in college down there though and he loves it. So who knows.

    Aongus Von Bismarck, is that you?


  • #84
    rossie1977
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    When I was in South Africa people thought I sounded American..and I come from bogs of west Roscommon :)


  • #85
    Giveaway
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    The real decent Dub accent is long dead and i miss them. Just scaldy waster accent now.


  • #86
    JohnnyFlash
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    Honestly they revel in it. I don't think they're genetically inferior but I do believe the average Dublin person just prefers reading celebrity gossip or "veddy sad" human interest stories over anything more intellectually stimulating such as, say, a broadsheet newspaper or novels for adults.

    It's a culture that promotes "feelings" over rationalism, with the few bright sparks among them resorting to diversionary tactics such as comparing valid criticisms of Dublin to racial abuse. :rolleyes: To each their own but it wouldn't be for me.

    You didn't mention their love of bottom-of-the-barrel humour. It's no surprise that Brendan O'Carroll, Brendan Grace, June Rodgers, Sil Fox are all from Dublin.


  • #87
    corner of hells
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Watch you don't drop your monocle into your caviar there old chap.

    I'd hate him to fall off his Ivory Tower too.


  • #88
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    I'm far from posh, I am just suggesting that people read magazines that are stuffed with articles rather than crosswords, word searches, and pictures of celebrity cellulite.

    Local newspapers then? Because the broadsheet stuff is produced in cities. Apparently cities produce broadsheets to be read by country people, but when I go down the country it’s arse scratchers reading the obituaries.


  • #89
    topper75
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Hope so. The worst part of living in Dublin is having to hear that accent. Sounds like someone is after interfering with them from behind.

    Jimmy Carr nailed it with the outside view I hadn't considered -

    - those speaking with a north Dublin accent sound just like deaf people.:pac:


  • #90
    Ray Bloody Purchase
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Everybody in Ireland does that, outside of the north.

    474310.jpg


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  • #91
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

    You should record yourself some day.


  • #92
    Woke Hogan
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    You didn't mention their love of bottom-of-the-barrel humour. It's no surprise that Brendan O'Carroll, Brendan Grace, June Rodgers, Sil Fox are all from Dublin.
    I'm not a huge fan of comedy myself but I am old enough to remember watching Maureen Potter on The Late Late years ago and suffering through her "routines." It was desperate.


  • #93
    mikemac2
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    Single = bag of chips
    Fish n’chips = one & one or even wan n’wan

    The Italians seems to understand just fine bless em


  • #94
    Omackeral
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    I'm far from posh, I am just suggesting that people read magazines that are stuffed with articles rather than crosswords, word searches, and pictures of celebrity cellulite.

    Plenty do. We have actual colleges in Dublin would you believe!? We also have libraries, theatres, museums and an array of other intellectual institutions. (A little bit of assonance there at the end for you.)


  • #95
    Boom_Bap
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    is in its bleedin bollix dyin


  • #96
    stoneill
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    Giveaway wrote: »
    The real decent Dub accent is long dead and i miss them. Just scaldy waster accent now.

    I was watching a choob choob video of Eamonn Mac Thomais chatting on Moore Street from 1978 or there abouts.
    There's real Dublin accents for you - none of this whiny story buud druggy accents you hear now.


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  • #97
    Woke Hogan
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Local newspapers then? Because the broadsheet stuff is produced in cities. Apparently cities produce broadsheets to be read by country people, but when I go down the country it’s arse scratchers reading the obituaries.
    You had to make an edit to correct an error there. Next time, breathe and think before you react. There's no reason to get wound up or try to wind me up in turn :rolleyes:. I'm speaking generally not about you personally.


  • #98
    Ray Bloody Purchase
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    Any train journey out of Dublin on a Friday is ruined by braying mobs of 'de real Dubs' spreading their joyous wit to hen/stag locations such as Killarney, Galway, Sligo, Westport etc.

    They usually arrive at their location fully loaded. Truly a class act.


  • #99
    Omackeral
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    You had to make an edit to correct an error there. Next time, breathe and think before you react.


    wojak_02.nocrop.w710.h2147483647.jpg


  • #100
    JohnnyFlash
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    Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »
    Any train journey out of Dublin on a Friday is ruined by braying mobs of 'de real Dubs' spreading their joyous wit to hen/stag locations such as Killarney, Galway, Sligo, Westport etc.

    They usually arrive at their location fully loaded. Truly a class act.

    I met a lad working for Irish Rail before. He said the top brass in the group were considering putting a 'wet carriage' on the Friday trains out of Dublin. It would be a carriage set aside exclusively for 'True Blue' Dubs. The sort who think they are fierce funny and witty, and have the need to shout everything out to prove it. Anyways this carriage would have its own toilet so they can go in there and snort cocaine in peace without annoying other customers. And they can can drink as much Orchards Thief and sing as much Crazy World as they want.

    Seemed like a great idea.


  • #101
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    You had to make an edit to correct an error there. Next time, breathe and think before you react. There's no reason to get wound up or try to wind me up in turn :rolleyes:. I'm speaking generally not about you personally.

    I’m not upset (not even a full Dub) just replying in the same form. I edit all the time. By the way are you hitting refresh all the time here? I edited in 30 seconds. I suppose there’s that or arse scratching, walking across the street and back, abd reading the obituaries.

    Anyway what was in the local newspaper today? Did some one die? Did someone else come 4th in a spelling competition? Don’t overload the brain.


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