Is the Dublin accent dying?

Dickie10

has anyone noticed the way young girls and boys are not speaking in the strong dublin accents anymore? they either sound very flat bordering on D4 or like most late late toy show kids fully blown D4 or else there half americanised accent. so will we see many dublin accents at all in future? vast majority of dublin gaa and dublin based rugby plaayers now have very little trace of a dublin accent. also seems very hard to distinguish between young people in dublin, meath ,kildare or wicklow accent wise because of the amount of kids born to dublin parents in these counties , they may have never lived a day in dublin in there lives but now definitly dont see themselves as culchies either. so what are these type of people to be called?

Feisar

A generation raised on youtube.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Try hanging around North Dublin or even North inner city , you'll find plenty a scumbag/dublin accent.


There is a another craze of kids sounding very British. You can thank that fat **** Peppa pig for that

JohnnyFlash

Hope so. The worst part of living in Dublin is having to hear that accent. Sounds like someone is after interfering with them from behind.

super_furry

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Hope so. The worst part of living in Dublin is having to hear that accent. Sounds like someone is after interfering with them from behind.

Feel free to toddle off back to whatever bog you came up from.

theteal

Nope, my 2 yr old Essex born daughter randomly throws up one the best "ah jayzis"s I've ever heard - courtesy of her uncle from the heart of Blanch

We'll continue to fight the good fight from over here!

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

There is a another craze of kids sounding very British. You can thank that fat **** Peppa pig for that

Yeah, MrsTeal is a bit paranoid that the little 'un already has an English accent (which will be fairly unavoidable depending on how much longer we're over here) but I if you listen to some of the expressions she comes out with it's clear as day that that poxy pig (who is a bit of a bint tbh) is a predominant influence, even though she doesn't watch much telly - thankfully PJ Masks and anything with dinosaurs now are now the flavour of the month.

Deebles McBeebles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent

Franz Von Peppercorn

It’s not dying at all. Maybe on the south side some Americanised slang is being used. If anything modern accents are harsher than they were.

major bill

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Hope so. The worst part of living in Dublin is having to hear that accent. Sounds like someone is after interfering with them from behind.

Yet its a match winner in the UK and any other country we go to.

Jealous people everywhere :P

Well, my 4-year-old manages to make the English word 'school' into two syllables. I correct her each time and she just makes more of an elongated two syllables out of it for the craic, laughing her heart out. Two days ago as I was driving I corrected her and she took the piss out of it again, only to be followed by her 2-year-old brother in the seat next to her who is now, for the first time, making two syllables out of that word. And laughing through it all.

Feck it; I give up. She can 'done that', 'seen that' and eat 'crips' to her heart's content as seo amach.

Red_Wake

It's surge again when the next Methadone clinic opens up.

micks_address

i wonder what percentage of people living in dublin are actually orginally from dublin at this stage... half the country must have moved here for work

JohnnyFlash

super_furry wrote: »

Feel free to toddle off back to whatever bog you came up from.

Don’t be so thin-skinned. All I said is that the ‘salt o da erth’ Dublin accent is a noise that can be irritating at best, and downright offensive at worst. It’s an accent that gives impression of John Player Blue, a day ‘in da boooookeees’, battering the wife, Ray and chips for dinner, racing pigeons, and never having worked a day in your life.

Calltocall

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Try hanging around North Dublin or even North inner city , you'll find plenty a scumbag/dublin accent.


There is a another craze of kids sounding very British. You can thank that fat **** Peppa pig for that

So you’re a scumbag if you have an authentic accent which originates from where you live, I’d rather have the authenticity of that than this half British/American fake accent which was basically made up to make one sound supposedly more intelligent and used to hide your origins for fear of people looking down on you, so insincere and ridiculous, be real, always the best policy.

Deebles McBeebles

micks_address wrote: »

i wonder what percentage of people living in dublin are actually orginally from dublin at this stage... half the country must have moved here for work

And vice versa for accommodation. Feels like I'm living in Little Tallaght some days.

w/s/p/c/

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Don’t be so thin-skinned. All I said is that the ‘salt o da erth’ Dublin accent is a noise that can be irritating at best, and downright offensive at worst. It’s an accent that gives impression of John Player Blue, a day ‘in da boooookeees’, battering the wife, Ray and chips for dinner, racing pigeons, and never having worked a day in your life.

And what wonderful accent do you speak with? Go on, give us a laugh

Peregrinus

micks_address wrote: »

i wonder what percentage of people living in dublin are actually orginally from dublin at this stage... half the country must have moved here for work

Nothing new there. When I was a chizler in primary school in the 1970s, I was the only child in my class who had two parents both born in Dublin. And even I only had one out of four grandparents born in Dublin.

All accents are developing all the time, and all middle-aged and older people complain that young people are losing their accents/speaking in affected accents/being swamped by foreign accents/whatever. It was ever thus.

theteal

micks_address wrote: »

i wonder what percentage of people living in dublin are actually orginally from dublin at this stage... half the country must have moved here for work

I'm (almost) first generation Dub - I say almost as my old man is born and raised in Dublin but nobody would believe you. The mother is Kildare and the grandparents were Kildare, Offaly, Kerry and Mayo. I was regarded as half-bogger by the friends growing up.

The wife's family are Dubs true and true, hiding rebels during the fun times and all.

PointHop123

Is the DORT accent not a real Dublin accent as well?

Woke Hogan

I'm lucky enough not to have to spend a lot of time in Dublin. The accents and general maudlin attitude down in the capital is totally at odds with my own beliefs. For example I have never watched X Factor or ordered a takeaway meal, nor have I cried at any melodramas starring Ryan Gosling.

There is an element of anti-intellectualism and propensity for sentimentality among the populace of Dublin that I think the rather more stoic citizenry of "de country" are fortunate for not sharing and I dread any day I have to go down to the capital.

My son is in college down there though and he loves it. So who knows.

The Crowman

Calltocall wrote: »

So you’re a scumbag if you have an authentic accent which originates from where you live, I’d rather have the authenticity of that than this half British/American fake accent which was basically made up to make one sound supposedly more intelligent and used to hide your origins for fear of people looking down on you, so insincere and ridiculous, be real, always the best policy.

This. The snobbery around accents in this country never ceases to amaze me. We're worse than the English with their supposed class system.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Peregrinus wrote: »

Nothing new there. When I was a chizler in primary school in the 1970s, I was the only child in my class who had two parents both born in Dublin. And even I only had one out of four grandparents born in Dublin.

All accents are developing all the time, and all middle-aged and older people complain that young people are losing their accents/speaking in affected accents/being swamped by foreign accents/whatever. It was ever thus.

I was listening to a show on RTE radio about historical Irish weather last night, first broadcast in the 80s. There were lots of accents, none of them too strong, and people generally enunciated better. Accents are not going away.

BOHtox

Norra bleerin' hope is eh dyin'

Mena Mitty

There was a young fella with a Dublin accent used to be a presenter on RTE children's programmes, I think he was about 18 or 19 years old at the time. I remember him as being quiet good and he was so at ease with camera's etc. it looked like he was presenting all his life.

I can't remember his name. I think he disappeared off the TV before that 'rindybout' accent became fashionable.

The idea that a hundreds of thousands of people are putting on a 'fake accent' is absolutely hilarious and doesn't seem to come up anywhere other than boards.

ciarang85

Mena Mitty wrote: »

There was a young fella with a Dublin accent used to be a presenter on RTE children's programmes, I think he was about 18 or 19 years old at the time. I remember him as being quiet good and he was so at ease with camera's etc. it looked like he was presenting all his life.

I can't remember his name. I think he disappeared off the TV before that 'rindybout' accent became fashionable.

Kevin O'Connell i think

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, my 4-year-old manages to make the English word 'school' into two syllables. I correct her each time and she just makes more of an elongated two syllables out of it for the craic, laughing her heart out. Two days ago as I was driving I corrected her and she took the piss out of it again, only to be followed by her 2-year-old brother in the seat next to her who is now, for the first time, making two syllables out of that word. And laughing through it all.

Feck it; I give up. She can 'done that', 'seen that' and eat 'crips' to her heart's content as seo amach.

Just keep repeating it. A four year old has no idea and thinks you're being stupid. Eventually she will take it on board. It usually takes a kid till about the age of seven to get a handle on basic English grammar. Crisps is a horror of a word to say, she just can't pronounce it yet - logjam of consonants!:p

nullzero

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Don’t be so thin-skinned. All I said is that the ‘salt o da erth’ Dublin accent is a noise that can be irritating at best, and downright offensive at worst. It’s an accent that gives impression of John Player Blue, a day ‘in da boooookeees’, battering the wife, Ray and chips for dinner, racing pigeons, and never having worked a day in your life.

You've succinctly summed up the existence of everyone with a Dublin accent with such ease.
Can't wait for me Ray and chips later, have a lovely tip that I must get down to the bookies to back, but I just have to collect me dole money and pop home and knock the missus about a bit first.

Thanks be to jaysus dem culchies are runnin the place while I have me feet up, dis is de life.

is_that_so

PointHop123 wrote: »

Is the DORT accent not a real Dublin accent as well?

It is a neutral, artificial to an extent, accent, out of the likes of RTE and through celebs wanting to sound like they are from wealthy areas of South Dublin. You can find it as far away as Galway and Limerick!

nullzero

Mena Mitty wrote: »

There was a young fella with a Dublin accent used to be a presenter on RTE children's programmes, I think he was about 18 or 19 years old at the time. I remember him as being quiet good and he was so at ease with camera's etc. it looked like he was presenting all his life.

I can't remember his name. I think he disappeared off the TV before that 'rindybout' accent became fashionable.

Kevo, he was bleedin rapid.

Riesen_Meal

Genuinely proud of my Dublin 9 accent and the only time I will remotely change it is if I'm on air...

DubInTheWest

Here's a thing. The majority of people from the country have terrible accents. I'm not saying that as any animosity towards them, in fact, I work and socialize with them. When they talk to me, they try and speak clearly but as soon as they start talking to each other, the language turns foreign and you have no idea what they are talking about. I feel embarrassed when I say to them, "sorry what was that?, say that again".

There are Chinese and other nationalities in the locality and I can understand them easier than the country people.

Dublin accent any day of the week.

Woke Hogan

nullzero wrote: »

You've succinctly summed up the existence of everyone with a Dublin accent with such ease.
Can't wait for me Ray and chips later, have a lovely tip that I must get down to the bookies to back, but I just have to collect me dole money and pop home and knock the missus about a bit first.

Thanks be to jaysus dem culchies are runnin the place while I have me feet up, dis is de life.

This is a perfect illustration of the Dublin condition: someone comes in speaking generally then a person from Dublin takes it personally and makes it all about themselves. :rolleyes:

jimgoose

nullzero wrote: »

Kevo, he was bleedin rapid.

Simon Delaney speaks with a normal Dublin accent, nothing wrong with it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

is_that_so wrote: »

Just keep repeating it. A four year old has no idea and thinks you're being stupid. Eventually she will take it on board. It usually takes a kid till about the age of seven to get a handle on basic English grammar. Crisps is a horror of a word to say, she just can't pronounce it yet - logjam of consonants!:p

Unless she’s home schooled she will pick up her accent from her peers.

Ray Bloody Purchase

Turty tree. Down dere. Dats right.

It does me bleedin' head in.

micks_address

Peregrinus wrote: »

Nothing new there. When I was a chizler in primary school in the 1970s, I was the only child in my class who had two parents both born in Dublin. And even I only had one out of four grandparents born in Dublin.

All accents are developing all the time, and all middle-aged and older people complain that young people are losing their accents/speaking in affected accents/being swamped by foreign accents/whatever. It was ever thus.

id say its not new but there must be a massive percentage explosion in the last ten years with the growth in the technology sector etc.. as dublin 'recovered' quicker than the rest of the country a lot of people have settled here.. huge about of kids and famillies from other countries as well.. i thikn in general 'accents' must be diluting or at least have changed a bit in last 20 years.. someone mentioned tv etc and it does have some impact..no one could place my accent when i moved to dublin and i reckon its cause i watched to much tv/movies..

is_that_so

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Unless she’s home schooled she will pick up her accent from her peers.

Yeah she will or from TV but I don't think the poster was talking about accent. That peer thing can be mitigated much later if you feel it needs to be.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Woke Hogan wrote: »

This is a perfect illustration of the Dublin condition: someone comes in speaking generally then a person from Dublin takes it personally and makes it all about themselves. :rolleyes:

That’s a bit like saying, after making a general comment about black people, that it was just you speaking generally and now an individual black person is making it about themselves by getting upset.

c6ysaphjvqw41k

People can have mixed accents and it not be fake too. There's so much judgement and you have no idea the circumstances. I say basil like an American and call all toilets bathrooms. It's also laundry not washing. I went to high school in the US. I still say ma and jaysus and bleedin because I was born in Dublin to two parents from Dublin and lived there for 10 years or so. Can't help it but I never hear the end of it.

theteal

Folks, it could be a lot worse, I'm surrounded by Essex accents, every sentence uttered sounds like it ends with a question mark.

Franz Von Peppercorn

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah she will or from TV but I don't think the poster was talking about accent. That peer thing can be mitigated much later if you feel it needs to be.

He was talking about accent. The two syllables in school and the pronunciation of crisps as crips are accents.

I don’t buy that we get accents from TV, some words for sure, but not accents.

Lollipops23

My grandad hailed from the Capel St tenements and spoke with an incredibly strong Dublin brogue (not "shweeeeeeeeh", but inserted a lot of Ds in words that didn't have them- eg Foreign became Forddin)

He had a stroke in his 70s and the nurses referred him for speech therapy, convinced his tongue had been affected.

He sounded the same as he always had done. It hadn't hurt his speech in the slightest.

jimgoose

Lollipops23 wrote: »

My grandad hailed from the Capel St tenements and spoke with an incredibly strong Dublin brogue (not "shweeeeeeeeh", but inserted a lot of Ds in words that didn't have them- eg Foreign became Forddin)

He had a stroke in his 70s and the nurses referred him for speech therapy, convinced his tongue had been affected.

He sounded the same as he always had done. It hadn't hurt his speech in the slightest.

For me, Ronnie Drew will always be the benchmark. Where's me batha boogah??

is_that_so

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

He was talking about accent. The two syllables in school and the pronunciation of crisps as crips are accents.

I was referring to done and seen that. Crisps has nothing to do with accent. It's called a consonant cluster and people have to learn how to say them regardless of accents. Phonics will take care of it but they may say it in a particular accent.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

Turty tree. Down dere. Dats right.

It does me bleedin' head in.

Everybody in Ireland does that, outside of the north.

Ariadne

Hopefully

Sorry, not sorry

Sardonicat

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

super_furry wrote: »

Feel free to toddle off back to whatever bog you came up from.

Don’t be so thin-skinned. All I said is that the ‘salt o da erth’ Dublin accent is a noise that can be irritating at best, and downright offensive at worst. It’s an accent that gives impression of John Player Blue, a day ‘in da boooookeees’, battering the wife, Ray and chips for dinner, racing pigeons, and never having worked a day in your life.

Not at all! I love a proper Dub accent. Sexy AF! (I've got a hybrid accent of various parts of England and Ireland )

Omackeral

You don't really here the auld Dublin accent anymore. Ya know the one that somehow fits the letter 'D' in where there is none. Like fordiner for foreigner or petterdol for petrol.

Edit - Just saw this

Lollipops23 wrote: »

My grandad hailed from the Capel St tenements and spoke with an incredibly strong Dublin brogue (not "shweeeeeeeeh", but inserted a lot of Ds in words that didn't have them- eg Foreign became Forddin)

Spot on.

Woke Hogan

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s a bit like saying, after making a general comment about black people, that it was just you speaking generally and now an individual black person is making it about themselves by getting upset.

And now it's a racial thing! :D:D When do the Civil Rights marches start? Talk about delusions of grandeur.

silverharp

I liked the old Dublin accent , did its skanger version always exist or where did that even come from?