The Iceland Volcano Thread

Yrag2E · 18-04-2010 10:11am

was erupting yesterday and not today??

http://www.mulakot.net/myndavelar.html

sunbabe08 · 18-04-2010 10:11am

Su Campu wrote: »

Amazing...(although it is a long exposure). More [URL="http://"http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/eyafallajokull_20100416-en.html"]here[/URL]

what website did you get this from?? please

owenc · 18-04-2010 10:14am

Yrag2E wrote: »

was erupting yesterday and not today??

http://www.mulakot.net/myndavelar.html

nope this says activity is getting worse http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html

galwaybabe · 18-04-2010 10:18am

Looks very quiet according to this webcam. http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

owenc · 18-04-2010 10:20am

galwaybabe wrote: »

Looks very quiet according to this webcam. http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

yes though the sky is very blue!

Figuramatyi · 18-04-2010 10:27am

galwaybabe wrote: »

Looks very quiet according to this webcam. http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

WTF? You can't even see it because it's in a cloud??

owenc · 18-04-2010 10:36am

oh yay front mustve went through temps have dropped to 5c from 8c hopefully they keep dropping... yeah right!

nilhg · 18-04-2010 10:58am

sunbabe08 wrote: »

what website did you get this from?? please

The link above is corrupted, this should work

http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/eyafallajokull_20100416-en.html

rebel girl 15 · 18-04-2010 11:10am

KLM doing another test flight at the moment

Su Campu · 18-04-2010 11:21am

Su Campu wrote: »

Is that a surveillance plane in the latest picture or just a bird??!! (top left)

Looks like that might have been a surveillance plane afterall. This guy took these photos from one in the area yesterday.

Sorry Superman!

BmxNoob · 18-04-2010 11:35am

11.05 Dutch airline KLM has said a test flight it carried out yesterday had revealed no engine damage or other problems from volcanic ash and it would run a further nine test flights.
A spokesman said: "We have not found anything unusual and no irregularities, which indicates the atmosphere is clean and safe to fly.'

If these tests all turn out positive with no damage to planes could we see irish airspace re-opening ? aswell as other european countries ...

gary the great · 18-04-2010 11:38am

Im stuck in Dubai cos of this poxy ash cloud. The next avaialbe flight from the emirates is 11 days away. So we've booked ourselves onto an Air Arabia flight to Istanbul and from there we hope to make our way back across europe by trains/buses/hitchiking...or if the ash cloud lifts it will be much easier to get a flight to dublin from that part of europe than from the emirates.

Everyday checking back but its jut not getting better :mad:

Edit- thats good news from KLM, fingers crossed.

My name is URL · 18-04-2010 11:38am

BmxNoob wrote: »

11.05 Dutch airline KLM has said a test flight it carried out yesterday had revealed no engine damage or other problems from volcanic ash and it would run a further nine test flights.
A spokesman said: "We have not found anything unusual and no irregularities, which indicates the atmosphere is clean and safe to fly.'

If these tests all turn out positive with no damage to planes could we see irish airspace re-opening ? aswell as other european countries ...

I wonder if they'd take the risk with passengers on board, especially after this - http://avherald.com/h?article=42a3d003&opt=0

owenc · 18-04-2010 11:39am

BmxNoob wrote: »

11.05 Dutch airline KLM has said a test flight it carried out yesterday had revealed no engine damage or other problems from volcanic ash and it would run a further nine test flights.
A spokesman said: "We have not found anything unusual and no irregularities, which indicates the atmosphere is clean and safe to fly.'

If these tests all turn out positive with no damage to planes could we see irish airspace re-opening ? aswell as other european countries ...

You should read the discussion on airliners.net they are talking about it there.. they are saying the uk could be shut for over 1 week and apparently someone who is on there works for uk airline and says that particularly scottish airspace ( which means ni will probably be the same) will be affected and they should expect to not open for 1 week.. and nats are just releasing 12 hour reports not to cause caos.. go look

AmberAmber · 18-04-2010 11:47am

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

KLM doing another test flight at the moment

I see 3 more around frankfurt,
a Model : Reims-Cessna - C172 - going east
and a
Model : Boeing - B767-330 (ER) going east now.

the klm one is nearly fully done a full trip around the coast of holland must be landing in Amsterdam soon.
I looked up that klm plane this morning its last flight was to Tripoli in tounisia, I dont know alot about plans only took an interest the the last month, but to me it looks like a domestic flight as i found info that it did not fly since wed 14th april. but maybe they risking a boeing for testing. in finland they are using jets.

Sierra Oscar · 18-04-2010 12:06pm

BmxNoob wrote: »

11.05 Dutch airline KLM has said a test flight it carried out yesterday had revealed no engine damage or other problems from volcanic ash and it would run a further nine test flights.
A spokesman said: "We have not found anything unusual and no irregularities, which indicates the atmosphere is clean and safe to fly.'

If these tests all turn out positive with no damage to planes could we see irish airspace re-opening ? aswell as other european countries ...

The fact of the matter is that this occurred when a Boeing 747 attempted to fly through volcanic ash, and the incident was clearly linked to the presence of volcanic ash interrupting with the planes mechanics.

Sure, not every plane is going to loose functionality when flying through volcanic ash. However if volcanic ash is present then the chances of an air disaster are significantly increased.

One test flight is not exactly enough to warrant air-space reopening. You would need hundreds of test flights to be honest.

kevin12345 · 18-04-2010 12:13pm

Image of webcam right now :rolleyes: looks strange

jambofc · 18-04-2010 12:15pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The fact of the matter is that this occurred when a Boeing 747 attempted to fly through volcanic ash, and the incident was clearly linked to the presence of volcanic ash interrupting with the planes mechanics.

Sure, not every plane is going to loose functionality when flying through volcanic ash. However if volcanic ash is present then the chances of an air disaster are significantly increased.

One test flight is not exactly enough to warrant air-space reopening. You would need hundreds of test flights to be honest.

after reading that i wouldn't fly anywhere at the mo :eek:

kevin12345 · 18-04-2010 12:19pm

jambofc wrote: »

after reading that i wouldn't fly anywhere at the mo :eek:

same :rolleyes:

LookingFor · 18-04-2010 12:19pm

Yeah, I thought that KLM spokesman was being slight premature saying the atmosphere was clear and safe to fly in after one test!

First, no one said every flight going up into an ash risk area would have problems. It's that the risk is higher - too high to be acceptable to most traffic control etc.

Second, ash moves around too. One plane might go up one way and be OK, a second might go up the same way and have difficulty just because of shifting ash concentrations etc.

I worry that certain airlines will be pushing to relax safety requirements in their impatience to get going again, of shifting standards the longer this goes on.

hotwhiskey · 18-04-2010 12:22pm

Ok lets get things into perspective here!

We a have KLM doing test flights here along with some German airliner so far the are saying everything is OK, no problem, Its safe. Now we have situation rising were money is taking over from safety. Already we have seen what damage it has done to a Finnish fighter jet.

I was waiting for this day when the airlines took matters into there own hands and giving out false indications that everything is fine, Money, Money, Money.

In 1912 the people were told the Titanic was unsinkable.

AmberAmber · 18-04-2010 12:29pm

hotwhiskey wrote: »

Ok lets get things into perspective here!

We a have KLM doing test flights here along with some German airliner so far the are saying everything is OK, no problem, Its safe. Now we have situation rising were money is taking over from safety. Already we have seen what damage it has done to a Finnish fighter jet.

I was waiting for this day when the airlines took matters into there own hands and giving out false indications that everything is fine, Money, Money, Money.

In 1912 the people were told the Titanic was unsinkable.

very good point made there.

kevin12345 · 18-04-2010 12:30pm

http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-valahnjuk/ looks as if it's raining...hope the sister isn't after blowing :rolleyes: :eek:

Su Campu · 18-04-2010 12:32pm

gary the great wrote: »

Im stuck in Dubai cos of this poxy ash cloud. The next avaialbe flight from the emirates is 11 days away. So we've booked ourselves onto an Air Arabia flight to Istanbul and from there we hope to make our way back across europe by trains/buses/hitchiking...or if the ash cloud lifts it will be much easier to get a flight to dublin from that part of europe than from the emirates.

Everyday checking back but its jut not getting better :mad:

Edit- thats good news from KLM, fingers crossed.

I'll swap places with ya, I'm supposed to be going there tuesday!

Seriously though, sounds a nightmare, best of luck. Hopefully things are looking up with those test results

Yrag2E · 18-04-2010 12:39pm

all flights cancelled for tomorrow

dloob · 18-04-2010 12:41pm

Silverharp2 wrote: »

What are the effects of not having the airplane contrails? or will the general effect of the dust etc counteract any effects

During 911 the lack of contrails resulted in slightly warmer temperatures during the daytime and slightly colder temperatures at night in areas of heavy air traffic.

dloob · 18-04-2010 12:42pm

kevin12345 wrote: »

http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-valahnjuk/ looks as if it's raining...hope the sister isn't after blowing :rolleyes: :eek:

I think that camera is downwind of the volcano you can see ash falling on it

InKonspikuou2 · 18-04-2010 12:46pm

me hole would i be going up in the air on the word of safety from airlines losing millions a day. You could fly 100 planes through it and land 99 safely. But there's always the chance of that one plane that could be affected or hit a pocket of denser ash. Not worth the risk. I'm glad actually. No planes waking me up in the morning.

Queen-Mise · 18-04-2010 12:51pm

Really important question here: should I be hanging my clothes outside in the east :-):-)
.
Above poster completely right on about klm. Money before safety, they blamed a computer in london for its theoretical forecast for airspaces being closed. It is shifting nature of ash clouds that makes it dangerous. Anyway they flew the tests at 5000ft and 7000ft, which isnt much help really.

Tristram · 18-04-2010 12:56pm

Supposed to be flying home next Saturday. Hope things clear up and flights can resume safely as soon as possible!

bcmf · 18-04-2010 12:58pm

hotwhiskey wrote: »

Ok lets get things into perspective here!

I was waiting for this day when the airlines took matters into there own hands and giving out false indications that everything is fine, Money, Money, Money.

In 1912 the people were told the Titanic was unsinkable.

Sorry for Off-Topic
I remember reading an interview in TIME magazine some years ago with a former head of whatever the Air Safety organistion is in the states.She said that the airlines attitude to safety (and maintenance) after finding that many airlines with a large number of their fleet was that the cost of maintaining was far more expensive then if a plane went down. Say for instance the cost of yearly maintenance was $10million as oppossed to a flight going down being $5million*. She (If I remember correctly) resigned after she could not get any kind of change implemented
*Those figures are nor the actual figures but used as an example.

Sierra Oscar · 18-04-2010 1:00pm

Im very worred as to what KLM are up to . . .

KLM chief executive Peter Hartman, who was on board the plane, said there was "nothing unusual" about the flight.

"If the technical examination confirms this... we then hope to get permission as soon as possible to partially restart our operations," he added.

Volcanic ash spreads more travel misery across Europe

Seriously, after one test flight?! I know this is having a huge impact on airlines pockets, but more analyses should be done first - especially by non-corporate bodies such as Air Forces . . .

LookingFor · 18-04-2010 1:02pm

Hoho - German airlines have been kicking up, questioning the accuracy of the ash advisories etc. etc.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE63H07L20100418?type=marketsNews

I can understand their frustration and questions about measurements etc. but I'm not sure they're the most independent people to provide them.

M.Pool · 18-04-2010 1:14pm

Has anyone noticed a reaction to the ash? The WHO say reactions are itchy eyes, runny nose, sore throat. I've had all three since last Wednesday and thought it was hayfever although I've never had hayfever before. Would be really interested to know if anyone else has been suffering from the same?

kevin12345 · 18-04-2010 1:16pm

M.Pool wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a reaction to the ash? The WHO say reactions are itchy eyes, runny nose, sore throat. I've had all three since last Wednesday and thought it was hayfever although I've never had hayfever before. Would be really interested to know if anyone else has been suffering from the same?

Touch of a sore throat myself. :rolleyes:

Sierra Oscar · 18-04-2010 1:19pm

M.Pool wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a reaction to the ash? The WHO say reactions are itchy eyes, runny nose, sore throat. I've had all three since last Wednesday and thought it was hayfever although I've never had hayfever before. Would be really interested to know if anyone else has been suffering from the same?

It isn't the ash anyway, there was none falling over Ireland on Wednesday as far as I am aware!:)

Mr Benevolent · 18-04-2010 1:23pm

M.Pool wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a reaction to the ash? The WHO say reactions are itchy eyes, runny nose, sore throat. I've had all three since last Wednesday and thought it was hayfever although I've never had hayfever before. Would be really interested to know if anyone else has been suffering from the same?

Exaggerate much? Maybe it's a touch of manflu. There's no ashfall over Ireland.

Tristram · 18-04-2010 1:23pm

Am I correct in saying that all the test flights by carriers so far have occurred at relatively low altitudes? If so, what flights would possibly be given the green light to go ahead?

Sponge Bob · 18-04-2010 1:27pm

Looking at the latest webcam images it seems to have gone quiet

Kippure · 18-04-2010 1:27pm

Confab wrote: »

Exaggerate much? Maybe it's a touch of manflu. There's no ashfall over Ireland.

There is ash fall over ireland. Go outside and look at the cars on your street. It started on friday night.

M.Pool · 18-04-2010 1:27pm

...and Met Eireann are telling us that there is no ash falling here still. Maybe it is hayfever, maybe I'm allergic to the sunshine

just seems too much of a coincidence.

M.Pool · 18-04-2010 1:30pm

Confab wrote: »

Exaggerate much? Maybe it's a touch of manflu. There's no ashfall over Ireland.

maybe womanflu!!!!!! Not given to exaggeration

owenc · 18-04-2010 1:32pm

Confab wrote: »

Exaggerate much? Maybe it's a touch of manflu. There's no ashfall over Ireland.

yes there is ash, it was confirmed that ash fell over northern ireland anyway, why would they shut the airports otherwise in uk and ireland??? :rolleyes:

Su Campu · 18-04-2010 1:33pm

M.Pool wrote: »

...and Met Eireann are telling us that there is no ash falling here still. Maybe it is hayfever, maybe I'm allergic to the sunshine just seems too much of a coincidence.

Seeing as the eruption only started Wednesday afternoon and it took 24hrs for the first of the ash to reach anywhere near here, simple cause and effect would dictate that if you had the symptoms Wednesday then it's fairly definite that it's not the cause!

There's been dust on cars all week long, that's what happens when the ground is dry! I checked the car this morning for new dust and there was none

doubleglaze · 18-04-2010 1:36pm

There's been no ash so far in my area of Galway City.

JanuarySnowstor · 18-04-2010 1:41pm

Su Campu wrote: »

Seeing as the eruption only started

There's been dust on cars all week long, that's what happens when the ground is dry! I checked the car this morning for new dust and there was none

I think most of the experts agree that the dust visible on cars is indeed from the volcanic ash. Whether it's harmful or not is open to opinion but in such small quantities likely not.

M.Pool · 18-04-2010 1:46pm

Eyjafjallajokull started errupting over a week ago http://www.examiner.com/x-25803-Natural-Disasters-Examiner~y2010m3d27-Erupting-Iceland-volcano-imaged-by-NASA-satellite
It just didn't make the news here until planes were grounded.

owenc · 18-04-2010 1:51pm

you can see through the cloud a bit now and it looks as though the volcano is still erupting.. http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-valahnjuk/

ShoulderChip · 18-04-2010 1:57pm

Ok I am due to fly to Chicago on Friday morning with Aerl Lingus,

how do you rate the chances and what events need to occur for this to go ahead?

Chicken Run · 18-04-2010 1:58pm

M.Pool wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a reaction to the ash? The WHO say reactions are itchy eyes, runny nose, sore throat. I've had all three since last Wednesday and thought it was hayfever although I've never had hayfever before. Would be really interested to know if anyone else has been suffering from the same?

quite likely to be hayfever - tree pollen is out in force plus it's been dry and breezy weather.
I'd also speculate that a lot of the dust on cars is most likely from the dry conditions on the roads the past week or 2.

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