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  • #152
    Deiseboy01
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Deiseboy01


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    The Deontay Wilder vs Malik Scott fight on 15th of March is now a WBC eliminator. The winner will be mandatory challenger for the winner of the Arreola vs Stiverne fight.

    Great oppurtunity for Wilder to become world champ out of that group IMO.

    Heavyweight division gathering a bit of interest. What happened to the Perez v Jennings eliminator per the above post?


  • #153
    getuponthis
    Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭getuponthis


    So looks like Khan won the vote to fight Floyd next. Jesus if there was anybody more undeserving it's him. I hope Floyd beats him bad and knocks him into retirement. He's an overhyped joke and an embarrassment!


  • #154
    Littlehorny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭Littlehorny


    ^^^ I think it is Mayweather who deserves more criticism for this match up than Khan to be honest, there is alot of harder fights for Floyd out there and i don't blame Khan for taking a big pay day.


  • #155
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Looks like Froch vs Groves has been agreed. A date in May in a football stadium. Cant wait to see Froch batter him this time


  • #156
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Looks like Froch vs Groves has been agreed. A date in May in a football stadium. Cant wait to see Froch batter him this time

    Great. Carl's hand may have been forced but I'll give him credit fro accepting the challenge. He was IMO unfairly criticized after the first fight.


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  • #157
    Johner
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    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Looks like Froch vs Groves has been agreed. A date in May in a football stadium. Cant wait to see Froch batter him this time

    If Groves is a little more disciplined than the first fight which I expect him to be then he will outbox Froch. :cool:


  • #158
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    They reckon that the pot will be 10 million split in the 80/20 region Froch/Groves, an excellent pay day for both guys.

    My view on the fight at the moment is that I don't see what Groves can do any different this time. He fought a near perfect fight for 8 rounds before getting caught. I think Froch will be more prepared for him.

    My only issue with the fight is having to listen to Groves bleeting in the build up. Honestly he was so annoying the last time & now he has a gripe (legitimate or not) God help us!!!


  • #159
    walshb
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    I would think that Froch would be favorite. There is still questions about Groves' durability and strength and stamina. That is my concern after watching the first fight. Maybe a more cautious Groves can win on points.

    Engage, but not as ferociously as the first fight. Conserve your energy and power. He knows he can really rock and hurt Carl. The shots should get there if he is precise and methodical. George did waste a lot of power shots I felt in the first fight. This can sap the energy reserves.


  • #160
    boxer.fan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭boxer.fan


    Great to see the rematch taking place. Clearly Froch has been holding out as long as possible in order to force a bigger purse - good business.

    My opinion on the rematch is that Froch really isn't gonna be able to change his style enough to avoid being out boxed by Groves. I can't ever remember Froch adopting a different technical approach to any fight. Groves has a real opportunity to pick up a points victory & world title here, so long as he keeps enough in the tank for the late rounds.


  • #161
    willmunny1990
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    Groves needs to be a lot smarter this time.

    After the first fight its clear he is more than capable of out boxing Froch, I think if Groves boxes the right way he can secure a comprehensive points victory.

    I dont think Groves will stop Froch, if Groves is to win it will be by points IMO.

    He'll really have to pace himself right this time around because no matter what happens Froch will be in this for 12 rounds.


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  • #162
    Deiseboy01
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Deiseboy01


    I think the very poor start nearly did for Froch in the last fight. Took a lot out of him. Generally a poor starter bar maybe the Bute fight so he needs to sort that. Start at a higher tempo. Stay focused. Allow Groves to win the early rounds if necessary but come on strong from the middle rounds and grind Groves down. Late KO for Froch IMO.


  • #163
    Henno30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Henno30


    walshb wrote: »
    I would think that Froch would be favorite. There is still questions about Groves' durability and strength and stamina. That is my concern after watching the first fight. Maybe a more cautious Groves can win on points.

    Engage, but not as ferociously as the first fight. Conserve your energy and power. He knows he can really rock and hurt Carl. The shots should get there if he is precise and methodical. George did waste a lot of power shots I felt in the first fight. This can sap the energy reserves.

    Agree with this. I think he traded too much in general, but more importantly he lingered too long in mid-range where he was too available for Froch. You can get right in there with Froch if you're able to get off and smother him immediately as Ward did. But you can't hang around in range for long stretches of the fight and hope he wears down first. His resilience is exceptional, and like you say Groves' durability in contrast is far from proven.


  • #164
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,956 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Henno30 wrote: »
    Agree with this. I think he traded too much in general, but more importantly he lingered too long in mid-range where he was too available for Froch. You can get right in there with Froch if you're able to get off and smother him immediately as Ward did. But you can't hang around in range for long stretches of the fight and hope he wears down first. His resilience is exceptional, and like you say Groves' durability in contrast is far from proven.

    Which is why Groves will fight differently next time. He showed inexperience in the first fight by wasting punches in order to try and wear Carl down. If he boxes from the outside, in a conservative manner, i think he'll stop Carl next time around.


  • #165
    Alpha Dog 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Alpha Dog 1


    pac_man wrote: »
    Boxnation in shiny HD

    Balls, can't get that channel.
    Will have to look for a shiny HD stream.

    II'd expect both to win but it won't be straightforward, looking forward to it.

    EDIT I just subscribed for a month on the app for 12 euro, is this the regular price?
    can hook the phone up to the tv so its all good.


  • #166
    Deiseboy01
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Deiseboy01


    pac_man wrote: »
    Boxnation in shiny HD

    How much is Boxnation a month? Lot of good fights on there.


  • #167
    Tiriel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,182 ✭✭✭Tiriel


    Posts tidy up - general chat thread here


  • #168
    tunguska
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    Seems like a good while since there was a decent fight, is there anything coming up that would be worth a look?


  • #169
    Joeseph Balls
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    tunguska wrote: »
    Seems like a good while since there was a decent fight, is there anything coming up that would be worth a look?

    There has been a couple of decent fight nights the last three weeks...

    March 15th.
    Danny Garcia vs. Mauricio Herrera


  • #170
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Joeseph Balls wrote: »
    There has been a couple of decent fight nights the last three weeks...

    To say the least. Those 2 cards on Sky Sports were nothing short of outstanding


  • #171
    tunguska
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭tunguska


    Joeseph Balls wrote: »
    There has been a couple of decent fight nights the last three weeks...

    March 15th.
    Danny Garcia vs. Mauricio Herrera

    Cheers that'll do the trick alright.


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  • #172
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    So what did people make of Bellew tonight. Everything good & bad about him on display. He is a million miles from a world title IMO. Were it not for the low blow saving him he could well have lost the fight.


  • #173
    HigginsJ
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    pac_man wrote: »
    The whole card was dire. Hopefully the fights tonight will be better.

    Was working till10 so this is the only fight I have seen. How did Kell Brook look?


  • #174
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    pac_man wrote: »
    I didn't think he looked great. He got hit a fair bit but Ive always been a critic of his defense. Some knocked out from Bellew. Didn't think he looked great either.

    Yea he was lucky to survive. Brudov took some serious shots from Bellew to be fair. Apart from having another rumble against Nathan Cleverly I don't know where Bellew can go


  • #175
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    pac_man wrote: »
    True. Think sky were talking about a fight with Marco Huck. For me, It's a division that I can't get excited about. Just seen the knockout again, looked like your man walked onto a lovly checkhook.

    It is a bit of a nothing division alright but I still think that it's way too much for Bellew

    Don't gave Boxnation but really interested to see how Deontay Wilder gets on. I accept that he has been beating cupcakes but Scott should be a decent test for him


  • #176
    RezwoK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭RezwoK


    tunguska wrote: »
    Would anybody have a link to watch garcia v herrera? Cheers


    Cant post that here dude (rules/Guidines)....


  • #177
    Frankie Lee
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    Scott went down very easy, another step up for Wilder which he rose to but Stiverne or Arreola is another big step up.


  • #178
    Frankie Lee
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    Herrera doing well enough here, being busier anyway. One left hook from Garcia could change everything.


  • #179
    Frankie Lee
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    Very good round that, this is Garcia's worst performance in a long while.


  • #180
    Frankie Lee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    Herrera unlucky not to get the decision but that was to be expected.


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  • #181
    Talib Fiasco
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    Garcia lost that fight...nearly exposed just like Broner was by Chino...Herrera deserves a rematch but that'll hardly happen


  • #182
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    JML/Ponce scrap was a belter.


  • #183
    Frankie Lee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    walshb wrote: »
    JML/Ponce scrap was a belter.

    A slight pity Ponce De Leon couldn't make it to the end of the round, he was taking punishment but while he was on his feet I felt he would have lasted the 10-15 seconds that were left. A 3rd fight will have to happen anyway.


  • #184
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Not a fight, but what seems like a very interesting program:

    BBC2 2 @ 2320 hrs tonight.

    The Art Of Boxing: Author and keen boxer Tony Parsons explores the place of boxing in cultural history and argues that the sport is a test of skill and courage that has little to do with violence and brutality, and far more to do with finding self-knowledge.


  • #185
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    John Joe Nevin makes his pro debut in Boston tonight. Live on BoxNation from 0200 hrs Tuesday.


  • #186
    Henno30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Henno30


    Talib Fiasco wrote: »
    Garcia lost that fight...nearly exposed just like Broner was by Chino...Herrera deserves a rematch but that'll hardly happen

    He might get Matthysse.

    This should dampen down some of the Floyd-Garcia talk. Stylistically Floyd is a nightmare for Danny. He's a counterpuncher by nature. Against a faster counterpuncher like Floyd he would be lost, he'd look like Donaire against Rigo.


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  • #187
    tunguska
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    Talib Fiasco wrote: »
    Garcia lost that fight...nearly exposed just like Broner was by Chino...Herrera deserves a rematch but that'll hardly happen

    I'd say it was at least a draw but no way Herrera lost. He had Garcia's number from the start and just caught him with the jab everytime.


  • #188
    walshb
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    I think Garcia deserved it. I'm still not sold on the guy. I think the Lucas win is a little inflated. Lucas, apart from heavy hands, is far too predictable. The one clean and solid shot he hit Garcia with had Garcia in real danger.


  • #189
    walshb
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    pac_man wrote: »
    I remember Matthysse was fighting with one eye for a good bit of that fight.

    He was. It wasn't a dominant win. Deserved win, but still a very competitive fight.


  • #190
    Henno30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Henno30


    Unless Matthysse scores a big win in the meantime, I don't see a rematch with Garcia happening. There's not much to gain for Garcia and it would be a 50-50 fight. He caught a huge break with that raking shot swelling up Matthysse's eye last time out, and he still would have lost if that knockdown hadn't been called.

    I'd love to see it but I think there are better fights for Danny in career terms.


  • #191
    boxer.fan
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    I'd love to see it but I think there are better fights for Danny in career terms.

    Who would be the likely candidates for his next handful of fights do you think?


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  • #192
    walshb
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    I hope he moves to 147 and meets the likes of JMM or Manny or Bradley. Ruslan at 140 or 147 lbs would be the best match up for the fans. I would love to see Danny try out-box and out-gun a rampaging Ruslan.


  • #193
    Henno30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Henno30


    boxer.fan wrote: »
    Who would be the likely candidates for his next handful of fights do you think?

    Depends on whether or not he moves up. Peterson, or maybe even Broner, would be options at 140. At 147 there's Soto Karass, Josesito Lopez, Guerrero, Maidana, or a Khan rematch. Not sure about Guerrero or Maidana, but he'd be a favourite against the other three. Ultimately Porter or Thurman would be on the horizon you'd think.


  • #194
    megadodge
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    Unless Matthysse scores a big win in the meantime, I don't see a rematch with Garcia happening. There's not much to gain for Garcia and it would be a 50-50 fight. He caught a huge break with that raking shot swelling up Matthysse's eye last time out, and he still would have lost if that knockdown hadn't been called.

    I'd love to see it but I think there are better fights for Danny in career terms.

    Thank God someone else remembers the swollen eye. I'm convinced if it wasn't for that swelling Matthyse would have won a close but clear decision. As it was, once it was opened again he began to get to Garcia much more regularly but time ran out on him.


  • #195
    Johner
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    Garcia would beat Matthysse if they fought again.


  • #196
    walshb
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    Johner wrote: »
    Garcia would beat Matthysse if they fought again.

    You seem certain on this, and if I recall you were highly impressed with Garcia's win. I didn't think he was a convincing winner. Up till the eye swelling I think Lucas was level, or even ahead. The swelling caused him real issues. Yes, Garcia inflicted this, but it still really aided him. No injuries and both at their best I think Lucas has a very good chance. Very good.


  • #197
    Johner
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    walshb wrote: »
    You seem certain on this, and if I recall you were highly impressed with Garcia's win. I didn't think he was a convincing winner. Up till the eye swelling I think Lucas was level, or even ahead. The swelling caused him real issues. Yes, Garcia inflicted this, but it still really aided him. No injuries and both at their best I think Lucas has a very good chance. Very good.

    I was impressed with Garcia, nobody actually gave him a chance in the fight before it. I thought it was a very good performance and I'd expect a close fight next time but I just think Garcia has a little more about him. Matthysse is a good fighter and very exiting but he's a bit one dimensional. He's always dangerous because of the power he has and of course he has a chance but I think Garcia would use that effective jab of his again and he also showed in the first fight that he can go toe to toe with Mattysse when needed. Mattysse while a good fighter continues to be overrated. Against better opposition and when not being able to get the KO he's been beaten 3 times.


  • #198
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Johner wrote: »
    I was impressed with Garcia, nobody actually gave him a chance in the fight before it. I thought it was a very good performance and I'd expect a close fight next time but I just think Garcia has a little more about him. Matthysse is a good fighter and very exiting but he's a bit one dimensional. He's always dangerous because of the power he has and of course he has a chance but I think Garcia would use that effective jab of his again and he also showed in the first fight that he can go toe to toe with Mattysse when needed. Mattysse while a good fighter continues to be overrated. Against better opposition and when not being able to get the KO he's been beaten 3 times.

    Can't argue with any of that. Garcia is a better boxer.


  • #199
    Henno30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Henno30


    Johner wrote: »
    I was impressed with Garcia, nobody actually gave him a chance in the fight before it. I thought it was a very good performance and I'd expect a close fight next time but I just think Garcia has a little more about him. Matthysse is a good fighter and very exiting but he's a bit one dimensional. He's always dangerous because of the power he has and of course he has a chance but I think Garcia would use that effective jab of his again and he also showed in the first fight that he can go toe to toe with Mattysse when needed. Mattysse while a good fighter continues to be overrated. Against better opposition and when not being able to get the KO he's been beaten 3 times.

    Overrated in what way? The overwhelming majority of both the boxing public and media had him beating both Judah and Alexander. He lost narrowly to Danny Garcia while having one eye shut for half the fight, and still would have won in the cards if a dubious knockdown hadn't been called. It's not like everyone is saying Matthysse is going to knock out Mayweather. There's a difference between a popular fighter and an overrated fighter.

    Let's look at Danny Garcia with same critical attitude. He beat a fossilised Morales, chinny Khan, was completely rattled going down the stretch against Judah (when did that last happen), narrowly beat the incredibly overhyped Matthysse with a good dose of luck, and got outboxed by Mauricio Herrera. This is the guy who was in the front cover of Ring Magazine, was hailed as the best opponent for Mayweather, and the next big thing in US boxing.

    Where are the accusations of hype and overrating? This label only ever seems to get applied to foreign fighters for some reason and it's almost like some defence mechanism American bloggers invent when they're upset about attention being paid to boxers from overseas. An American fighter has to get his ass handed to him on a plate before they'll start to consider the hype question. And even if that does happen, like with Broner, they'll turn around and say that 'it was too soon' for him to 'step up'.

    The hypocrisy and double standard is sickening.


  • #200
    gene_tunney
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    Garcia beats Matthyse more comprehensively in a rematch


  • #201
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Mike Perez vs Bryant Jennings has been ordered as WBC eliminator. Fight to take place this summer (purse bids in April if no agreement) The winner of Arreola vs Stiverne will face off against Deontay Wilder & the winner will then face Perez/Jennings. Nice to see a clear structure laid out & making the top guys fight to keep their title. Whoever is the winner at the end will be a deserving champion.

    Mike Perez vs Deontay Wilder could be very possible IMO.

    Vasyly Lomachenko is being given another shot at a World title by fighting Gary Russell for the WBO feather weight title. I'd be pretty annoyed if I was highly rated by the WBO & overlooked for Lomachenko


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