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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

  • 29-05-2020 9:52pm
    #1
    Beasty
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    4th thread and not yet into Phase 2.....

    Part I
    Part II
    Part III

    All warnings and threadbans carry over. Please PM the mod issuing a threadban if you wish to discuss options for being allowed to post again

    Mod warnings
    Beasty wrote: »
    It looks like tensions in this thread have been rising

    Some general warnings to all:

    Remain civil. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just because it's the polar opposite of your own does not invalidate it. Anyone who is uncivil towards other users can expect a minimum of a threadban.

    Keep to the topic

    Do not present "opinion" as "fact"

    Do not believe all stats that are spouted. Usually figures presented in any official way are not only checked for inaccuracies, but will also have caveats and/or explanations of what was done to derive any conclusions reached. Stats though are not "facts" beyond the sample they represent. They can be used to draw conclusions over wider populations, but those conclusions are always subject to a margin of error

    If you throw up an example please explain what point you are making. For example "Look at Sweden" means nothing unless you say what you are looking at in connection with Sweden. Is it restrictions, is it deaths, is it infections?
    Beasty wrote: »
    Another reminder - this thread is about restrictions and their relaxation

    General Covid discussion belongs in the current Covid thread (#XVII)

    Political discussion belongs in Current Affairs or Politics

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  • #2
    FintanMcluskey
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    #Stayhomesavelives


  • #3
    ZX7R
    Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Openupsavewmorelives


  • #4
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I think the pro-restrictions crowd need their own anthem. Here is an appropriate tune:



  • #5
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • #6
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Now for the anti-distancing crowd...if my true love she will not come, I will surely find another / And we'll all go together, to pull wild mountain thyme / Will you go, lassie, go?


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  • #7
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    estimates of effective R rates in regions of the UK, Northern Ireland still around about 1...

    https://i.redd.it/tb1bon33kn151.jpg


  • #8
    growleaves
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  • #9
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    The lockdown needs to be ended now and people need to go back to work. There was some degree of merit to the lockdown six weeks ago when we didn't know how this virus was going to behave but now it has become clear that this virus is not going to be serious to the vast majority of people.

    Work on effective treatments/vaccines should be focused on the vulnerable and at risk groups. The fact of the matter is which I believe is very wrong is that the healthy are being protected to same degree that the vulnerable are.


  • #10
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    MAINER VS. PRITZKER, The Honorable Michael D McHaney, chief judge (Illinois)
    Before I rule, I'm advising everybody in this room, no public outbursts or displays. The court is still in session until you are told otherwise.

    Since the inception of this insanity, the following regulations, rules or consequences have occurred: I won't get COVID if I get an abortion but I will get COVID if I get a colonoscopy. Selling pot is essential but selling goods and services at a family-owned business is not. Pot wasn't even legal and pot dispensaries didn't even exist in this state until five months ago and, in that five months, they have become essential but a family-owned business in existence for five generations is not.

    A family of six can pile in their car and drive to Carlyle Lake without contracting COVID but, if they all get in the same boat, they will. We are told that kids rarely contract the virus and sunlight kills it, but summer youth programs, sports programs are cancelled. Four people can drive to the golf course and not get COVID but, if they play in a foursome, they will. If I go to Walmart, I won't get COVID but, if I go to church, I will. Murderers are released from custody while small business owners are threatened with arrest if they have the audacity to attempt to feed their families.

    These are just a few of examples of rules, regulations and consequences that are arbitrary, capricious, and completely devoid of anything even remotely approaching common sense.
    Doctors and experts say different things weekly. The defendant cites models in his opposition. The only thing experts will agree on is that all models are wrong and some are useful. The Centers for Disease Control now says the virus is not easily spread on surfaces.


  • #11
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,895 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    estimates of effective R rates in regions of the UK, Northern Ireland still around about 1...

    Hopefully it has gone down a bit since (the 18th).


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  • #12
    uli84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭uli84


    The amount of public money wasted starting from printing leaflets and delivering them to houses and ending at paying the private hospitals for staying empty is mind boggling. They could (and should) have been put to some good use instead, those making decisions should be made accountable.


  • #13
    seamusk84
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭seamusk84


    So what potential phase three measures might Leo might bring forward to phase two at the press conference this Friday?
    An earlier reopening date for the restaurants and cafes? I predict so.


  • #14
    Penfailed
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    estimates of effective R rates in regions of the UK, Northern Ireland still around about 1...

    https://i.redd.it/tb1bon33kn151.jpg

    Apparently the north coast is even higher than 1. I'm not sure if there's a higher distribution of nursing homes in that area...

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • #15
    silverharp
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    uli84 wrote: »
    The amount of public money wasted starting from printing leaflets and delivering them to houses and ending at paying the private hospitals for staying empty is mind boggling. They could (and should) have been put to some good use instead, those making decisions should be made accountable.

    we only ever get them in Irish, I didn't know D4 was a Gaeltacht area :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #16
    Penfailed
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    silverharp wrote: »
    we only ever get them in Irish, I didn't know D4 was a Gaeltacht area :pac:

    We got three in total...two as Gaeilge agus amhain as Bearla.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • #17
    [Deleted User]
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    Penfailed wrote: »
    We got three in total...two as Gaeilge agus amhain as Bearla.

    I got none ! In any language :confused:


  • #18
    Cushtie
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    What a beautiful day! I dont think there are enough Gardai in the county to man the checkpoints to stop people making a break for it today and over the weekend. And rightly so.

    Enough is enough. Time to get the Country opened back up faster.

    I'm taking my family to the sea side today. Its about 30 min drive away and if I get stopped so be it. We had chicken pox in the house before this. So the kids have not been outside the house since mid Feb.
    I have a son with special needs who so misses his special school and routine. I can see a huge change in him over the last few weeks.

    We did our bit., now it's time for the boys in Dublin to wake up and open up.


  • #19
    prunudo
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    Just listening to BBC, the UK numbers are still very high, over 300 deaths and 2000 new cases yesterday. Yet we're giving them a free pass but expecting people to quarantine from other countries. Our restrictions are too severe for the low level of cases we have but it would appear we are having an excessively drawn out opening due to the cta. We should be siding with our EU counterparts not the UK.


  • #20
    fret_wimp2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭fret_wimp2


    Need to enforce it or call it a day. Minimal social distancing going on in a lot of parts of dublin.

    Cycling from Stephens green up by cabra to navan road yesterday and it was like a normal day. Shops in town with seated areas with 5 and 6 to a table, large groups in Phoenix Park playing tag and messing about, 20 or more drinking on most locks along the canal.

    It's a kick in the teeth to people like my parents who have not seen their grandchildren in almost 3 months, or the family who only had 10 people at their sons funeral.

    Stop pretending the majority is obeying the guidelines.
    Bring in large fines. Hand out enough of them to make the risk not worth it.

    That or just call it a day.


  • #21
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Cushtie wrote: »
    What a beautiful day! I dont think there are enough Gardai in the county to man the checkpoints to stop people making a break for it today and over the weekend. And rightly so.

    Enough is enough. Time to get the Country opened back up faster.

    I'm taking my family to the sea side today. Its about 30 min drive away and if I get stopped so be it. We had chicken pox in the house before this. So the kids have not been outside the house since mid Feb.
    I have a son with special needs who so misses his special school and routine. I can see a huge change in him over the last few weeks.

    We did our bit., now it's time for the boys in Dublin to wake up and open up.

    Have a great day.


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  • #22
    faceman
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    Cushtie wrote: »
    What a beautiful day! I dont think there are enough Gardai in the county to man the checkpoints to stop people making a break for it today and over the weekend. And rightly so.

    Enough is enough. Time to get the Country opened back up faster.

    I'm taking my family to the sea side today. Its about 30 min drive away and if I get stopped so be it. We had chicken pox in the house before this. So the kids have not been outside the house since mid Feb.
    I have a son with special needs who so misses his special school and routine. I can see a huge change in him over the last few weeks.

    We did our bit., now it's time for the boys in Dublin to wake up and open up.

    Just watch out, it’s not the roads they’ll stop you on this weekend.

    https://dublingazette.com/news/gardai-plan-beach-patrols-over-bank-holiday-weekend/


  • #23
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    prunudo wrote: »
    Just listening to BBC, the UK numbers are still very high, over 300 deaths and 2000 new cases yesterday. Yet we're giving them a free pass but expecting people to quarantine from other countries. Our restrictions are too severe for the low level of cases we have but it would appear we are having an excessively drawn out opening due to the cta. We should be siding with our EU counterparts not the UK.

    This is also ruining Irish people’s chances of travelling anywhere:

    ‘Croatia, another country heavily dependent on tourism, is allowing visitors from 10 countries from June 15th. They are Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-tourists-excluded-from-visiting-greece-and-croatia-1.4266161?mode=amp

    Why are the Irish being punished by either other European countries or our own authorities? We are stuck in a measly 5km and (2km prior) zone for weeks. If we’re aligning with the U.K., align with their reopening schedule too:
    No kilometre restriction on travel.
    Country reopened by early July.


  • #24
    pconn062
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    The lockdown is already over in a lot of ways, in people's minds. Our beautiful local beach has been very busy all week, with all the rubbish and litter that goes along with it. Dread to think what it will be like this weekend. But people for better are worse are fed up and the good weather will draw them to public places and beauty spots.


  • #25
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    seamusk84 wrote: »
    So what potential phase three measures might Leo might bring forward to phase two at the press conference this Friday?
    An earlier reopening date for the restaurants and cafes? I predict so.

    What he should do

    - announce that through the efforts of the people we have effectively beaten the virus but need to remain vigilant as there are still risks.
    - apologise on behalf of the State for the deaths that arose in the nursing homes. There will be a formal enquiry on this.
    - apologise to the health staff on the lack of PPE and undertake to ensure that the State has sufficient supplies in case of another outbreak (these will be sourced domestically).
    - open up nearly everything except still encourage home working for those who can. Beginning on 15th June.
    - open up nearly everything means every business who can safely apply 1 metre social distancing + services like hairdressing, barbers etc.
    - local authorities to take on some enforcement rules - if a business does not follow the rules it should be shut down. Target the businesses who misbehave rather than close all within the sectors.
    - strongly encourage personal health measures to be maintained. Messaging needs to focus on this.
    - remove any restrictions on travel (domestic from 8 June and within the EU from 1 July) but indicate that there will be temp checks and random testing in our airports.
    - enhanced Covid payment and job protection to be maintained for anyone who is diagnosed with the virus. An incentive for testing. Employers will need to take responsibility in their workplaces.
    - masks to be required on public transport.

    What he is likely to do -

    - tell us that we need to stick to the plan. NPhet have advised. But as a reward he will lift the distance from 5km to 20km from 8 June.


  • #26
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    fret_wimp2 wrote: »
    Need to enforce it or call it a day. Minimal social distancing going on in a lot of parts of dublin.

    Cycling from Stephens green up by cabra to navan road yesterday and it was like a normal day. Shops in town with seated areas with 5 and 6 to a table, large groups in Phoenix Park playing tag and messing about, 20 or more drinking on most locks along the canal.

    It's a kick in the teeth to people like my parents who have not seen their grandchildren in almost 3 months, or the family who only had 10 people at their sons funeral.

    Stop pretending the majority is obeying the guidelines.
    Bring in large fines. Hand out enough of them to make the risk not worth it.

    That or just call it a day.

    I would say call it a day as we’ve all been in lockdown for weeks, given no light at the end of the tunnel, destroying our economy, ruining our population’s mental health, discriminating against children on a regular basis and have minimal cases and deaths.
    People need to just take matters into their own hands and mind their families. I’ve been to the beach and am going back again, it was packed. No one was obeying 5km but everyone was happy, children were playing and delighted to be out, and the sea was beautiful for a swim.


  • #27
    fret_wimp2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭fret_wimp2


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I would say call it a day as we’ve all been in lockdown for weeks, given no light at the end of the tunnel, destroying our economy, ruining our populations mental health, discriminating against children on a regular basis and have minimal cases and deaths.
    People need to just take matters into their own hands and mind their families. I’ve been to the beach and am going back again, it was packed. No one was obeying 5km but everyone was happy, children were playing and delighted to be out, and the sea was beautiful for a swim.


    I disagree. You are disrespectful to people who obey the rules and have a conscience towards themselves, their families and others.

    A virus cares not a jot about you or your family or their mental health, it just does what it does, gets passed around and kills some people.

    But thats neither here or there. People like you will flout sense and reason if big fines are not handed out so I do agree to end it, if it's not enforced properly.


  • #28
    nickkinneg
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭nickkinneg


    Its reported man onboard flight to lanzarote got a positive result while onboard the plane - 140 people quarantined - The man now faces prosecution for skipping quarantine and the State of Emergency and has been reported for a possible crime against public health - this does not bode well


  • #29
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    fret_wimp2 wrote: »
    I disagree. You are disrespectful to people who obey the rules and have a conscience towards themselves, their families and others.

    A virus cares not a jot about you or your family or their mental health, it just does what it does, gets passed around and kills some people.

    But thats neither here or there. People like you will flout sense and reason if big fines are not handed out so I do agree to end it, if it's not enforced properly.

    I see, so all the children and young families should’ve gotten fines for enjoying the beach...what it showed me is the ‘polls’ we saw this week were pure rubbish. Irish people quietly speak with their feet.
    Happy June Bank Holiday. Enjoy the laptop and the indoors.


  • #30
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭prunudo


    fret_wimp2 wrote: »
    I disagree. You are disrespectful to people who obey the rules and have a conscience towards themselves, their families and others.

    A virus cares not a jot about you or your family or their mental health, it just does what it does, gets passed around and kills some people.

    But thats neither here or there. People like you will flout sense and reason if big fines are not handed out so I do agree to end it, if it's not enforced properly.

    No, 'people like you' should stay at home if you're that afraid of catching the virus. In my county you can count on one hand the number of cases the last 2 weeks. Why should every business owner and worker who is not allowed work be made suffer for such a low risk. The large majority have done everything that has been asked over the last 3 months. Its time to open up.

    Micheyleari's post above is on the money on how we should proceed from here.


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  • #31
    fret_wimp2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭fret_wimp2


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I see, so all the children and young families should’ve gotten fines for enjoying the beach...what it showed me is the ‘polls’ we saw this week were pure rubbish. Irish people quietly speak with their feet.
    Happy June Bank Holiday. Enjoy the laptop and the indoors.


    Of course not, just the parents. it's not the children fault.

    Enjoy being a spreader and disrespecting everyone who is trying and cares.


  • #32
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I see, so all the children and young families should’ve gotten fines for enjoying the beach...what it showed me is the ‘polls’ we saw this week were pure rubbish. Irish people quietly speak with their feet.
    Happy June Bank Holiday. Enjoy the laptop and the indoors.

    Yes this "silent majority" that are never ever officially in any poll yet always exist and agree with the vocal minority.


  • #33
    Idbatterim
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    UK boozers to reopen on fourth July and pressure bring put on to bring the date forward. I'll be up in Belfast or over to rest of uk asap with the lads. Then bring on a trip to spain or Italy for a week. I have had enough of months being robbed from me.


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fret_wimp2 wrote: »
    Need to enforce it or call it a day. Minimal social distancing going on in a lot of parts of dublin.

    Cycling from Stephens green up by cabra to navan road yesterday and it was like a normal day. Shops in town with seated areas with 5 and 6 to a table, large groups in Phoenix Park playing tag and messing about, 20 or more drinking on most locks along the canal.

    It's a kick in the teeth to people like my parents who have not seen their grandchildren in almost 3 months, or the family who only had 10 people at their sons funeral.

    Stop pretending the majority is obeying the guidelines.
    Bring in large fines. Hand out enough of them to make the risk not worth it.

    That or just call it a day.

    You seem to be out and about quite a bit yourself? Are you sure you are not breaching the 5km?

    The 2m is not law, it’s a guideline as you say yourself. And even the WHO recommend 1m. People having a game in the park might not be breaking rules. People sitting at a table might live together already.

    Probably best to mind your business.


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    .... You'd not bring herself away with you?


  • #36
    yawhat?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭yawhat?


    I see the weak minded and pathetic souls are still here banging on about severe restrictions. You need to get a grip of yourselves and stop parading your selfishness for all to see. Me, me, me, me, me, me. I can’t do what I want, boo hoo.

    Going to the UK, with the mythical “lads”, because the pubs are open. If this type of simpleton really does exist, we are in for a prolonging of the restrictions here.


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  • #37
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    yawhat? wrote: »
    I see the weak minded and pathetic souls are still here banging on about severe restrictions. You need to get a grip of yourselves and stop parading your selfishness for all to see. Me, me, me, me, me, me. I can’t do what I want, boo hoo.

    Going to the UK, with the mythical “lads”, because the pubs are open. If this type of simpleton really does exist, we are in for a prolonging of the restrictions here.

    My patience has run out because of what total bull**** it all is. You can lock yourself at home and tape up the doors window and chimney...

    Listening to the constant media fear mongering with the largest leftist media on the planet, doesn't help...

    They seem to have no intention of bringing dates forward. You can go and hide from the Mickey mouse virus, I'm not


  • #38
    yawhat?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭yawhat?


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    My patience has run out because of what total bull**** it all is. You can lock yourself at home and tape up the doors window and chimney...

    Listening to the constant media fear mongering with the largest leftist media on the planet, doesn't help...

    They seem to have no intention of bringing dates forward. You can go and hide from the Mickey mouse virus, I'm not

    I’m out and about most days, because we’re not in lockdown. It’s not exactly prison is it? Take deep breaths and calm yourself down.


  • #39
    fret_wimp2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭fret_wimp2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You seem to be out and about quite a bit yourself? Are you sure you are not breaching the 5km?

    The 2m is not law, it’s a guideline as you say yourself. And even the WHO recommend 1m. People having a game in the park might not be breaking rules. People sitting at a table might live together already.

    Probably best to mind your business.

    Well within my limit, I have a social consideration, I checked.

    A public discussion forum is everyone's business who decide to make it so. Or do you just want an echo chamber?


  • #40
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    yawhat? wrote: »
    I’m out and about most days, because we’re not in lockdown. It’s not exactly prison is it? Take deep breaths and calm yourself down.

    Sounds like you havent lost a job? Do you have kids you have had around you constantly for months now? Do you care about others suffering with health issues because of the mickey mouse virus? Going to pretend the lockdown isnt going to come with a serious payback cost ? I'm probably being trolled, so I'll leave it there


  • #41
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    My patience has run out because of what total bull**** it all is. You can lock yourself at home and tape up the doors window and chimney...

    Listening to the constant media fear mongering with the largest leftist media on the planet, doesn't help...

    They seem to have no intention of bringing dates forward. You can go and hide from the Mickey mouse virus, I'm not

    Mickey Mouse virus? You really have no idea of what you are talking about do you? Anyway I thought by now you would have been heading off to Vegas or wherever it was like you stated several weeks ago.


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  • #42
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    My patience has run out because of what total bull**** it all is. You can lock yourself at home and tape up the doors window and chimney...

    Listening to the constant media fear mongering with the largest leftist media on the planet, doesn't help...

    They seem to have no intention of bringing dates forward. You can go and hide from the Mickey mouse virus, I'm not

    Aha.


  • #43
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    fret_wimp2 wrote: »
    Of course not, just the parents. it's not the children fault.

    Enjoy being a spreader and disrespecting everyone who is trying and cares.

    I feel sorry for people like you. Ye have been paralysed with fear by our government and media. This virus is no where near as bad as they are saying yet we have people like you who berate others who choose to try live some sort of life in these rediculous restrictions which we all know are not needed.

    If you or others have valid reasons to stay indoors ie medical or the likes then ye can do exactly that...there is no need for the rest to have to do it too. Since this began i have not stayed in and i dont feel one bit bad over it yet im almost hung out to dry as if im a big bad criminal. There really are some sad narrow minded people out there who think they are doing good by staying locked up 24/7. That's right suppress this so called deadly virus and do so by destroying your own mental health.......do you not think it might just be a small bit counterproductive taking that kind of approach :D


  • #44
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Mickey Mouse virus? You really have no idea of what you are talking about do you? Anyway I thought by now you would have been heading off to Vegas or wherever it was like you stated several weeks ago.

    Again. They have only reopened and what they have is a pathetic vegas experience on offer. Not arsed if that's the case, still hopeful it will be worth going in September/ October


  • #45
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    alta stare wrote: »
    I feel sorry for people like you. Ye have been paralysed with fear by our government and media. This virus is no where near as bad as they are saying yet we have people like you who berate others who choose to try live some sort of life in these rediculous restrictions which we all know are not needed.

    If you or others have valid reasons to stay indoors ie medical or the likes then ye can do exactly that...there is no need for the rest to have to do it too. Since this began i have not stayed in and i dont feel one bit bad over it yet im almost hung out to dry as if im a big bad criminal. There really are some sad narrow minded people out there who think they are doing good by staying locked up 24/7. That's right suppress this so called deadly virus and do so by destroying your own mental health.......do you not think it might just be a small bit counterproductive taking that kind of approach :D

    In other words what you are saying here is "I`m all right Jack. **** the rest of you". True?


  • #46
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    alta stare wrote: »
    I feel sorry for people like you. Ye have been paralysed with fear by our government and media. This virus is no where near as bad as they are saying yet we have people like you who berate others who choose to try live some sort of life in these rediculous restrictions which we all know are not needed.

    If you or others have valid reasons to stay indoors ie medical or the likes then ye can do exactly that...there is no need for the rest to have to do it too. Since this began i have not stayed in and i dont feel one bit bad over it yet im almost hung out to dry as if im a big bad criminal. There really are some sad narrow minded people out there who think they are doing good by staying locked up 24/7. That's right suppress this so called deadly virus and do so by destroying your own mental health.......do you not think it might just be a small bit counterproductive taking that kind of approach :D

    I think you're being harsh on yourself. More selfish and stupid.


  • #47
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Again. They have only reopened and what they have is a pathetic vegas experience on offer. Not arsed if that's the case, still hopeful it will be worth going in September/ October

    I noticed the last while that those which choose to have a differing opinion to yours are constantly using the Vegas trip as a stick to beat you with. For me that really shows they have nothing else to attack you on. One says it and now the rest of the sheep follows. They seem more obsessed about your trip to Vegas than they do this virus. Pathetic. Iv said it before and i will say it again, there are some really sad people out there and many of them frequent this website. Some of them resort to reporting a post so a mod can save their skin, Some of them get personal and some just throw a tantrum.......it is actually laughable and a bit scary to think how people can behave when sitting behind a keyboard.


  • #48
    yawhat?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭yawhat?


    I don’t know anyone who is paralysed with fear. Most of the country is out and about, taking sensible precautions and abiding by the restrictions as best they can. Most of the country recognises the difficulties we face, with a new virus with potentially significant unknown characteristics. Let’s play it safe.

    Then we have the loolahs congregating here, who can’t be out and about as they spend most of the day posting about the severity of the restrictions. You couldn’t make it up.

    If you feel you are struggling with mental health issues, talk to someone and seek help. Don’t spend your days in here bitching and moaning about something that you cannot change.


  • #49
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    In other words what you are saying here is "I`m all right Jack. **** the rest of you". True?

    :D:D

    What im saying here my ol pal is that things are fine so go out and live your life.


  • #50
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Again. They have only reopened and what they have is a pathetic vegas experience on offer. Not arsed if that's the case, still hopeful it will be worth going in September/ October

    Why wait till then? Judging by your posts you seem to be critical of many different elements of society in this country. Why not make a new start elsewhere ASAP if you`re that unhappy?


  • #51
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    alta stare wrote: »
    I feel sorry for people like you. Ye have been paralysed with fear by our government and media. This virus is no where near as bad as they are saying yet we have people like you who berate others who choose to try live some sort of life in these rediculous restrictions which we all know are not needed.

    If you or others have valid reasons to stay indoors ie medical or the likes then ye can do exactly that...there is no need for the rest to have to do it too. Since this began i have not stayed in and i dont feel one bit bad over it yet im almost hung out to dry as if im a big bad criminal. There really are some sad narrow minded people out there who think they are doing good by staying locked up 24/7. That's right suppress this so called deadly virus and do so by destroying your own mental health.......do you not think it might just be a small bit counterproductive taking that kind of approach :D

    I have largely stayed compliant with the rules but luckily I have been in a position that I can and still have a reasonable standard of life (Of course there have been sacrifices).

    I was willing to support the lockdown until the end of April but think the decisions since then have been awful. We have a committee of 33 people (most but not all medics) led by a stubborn civil servant and answerable to a weak Minister taking the most important decisions of a generation.

    There is little or no consideration for SMEs and there is a lack of awareness of the long term damage this shut down will lead to. It is frightening when you see the damage we are facing - many of our semi States are in serious trouble, as is our airline industry (Ryanair will survive but what about Aer Lingus?), and indeed our sports organisations are in serious financial difficultly. There will be hundreds of thousands on the dole queues. They are flushing the whole economy and society down the toilet.

    Thankfully in some respects the narrative over the last week seems to have caught up with the minority view here. Interventions from Martin, O’Callaghan, O’Leary, Smurfit, Danny McCoy, Ivan Yates and Mark Paul in the Irish Times have been very welcome - although sadly our national broadcaster Is not showing balance.


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